The Official Blazersedge Draft Prediction Thread
Here it is, what you've all been waiting for. We're less than one week away from draft day. We're in the sweet spot of the prediction season. All of the mock drafts have been posted and updated two or three times at least. All of the info on prospective draftees has received the fine-toothed comb treatment. We know exactly who's in and who's out next Thursday. At the same time we're still far enough away that the pre-draft rumors can't really be credited as real, spoiling our predicting fun. So it's now time for you to call your shot.
In the comment section below give us the following info:
--Who you think the Blazers will pick and why.
--Where that pick will occur in the draft order.
--If that pick isn't #13 tell us how we made the move and what it cost us.
--Feel free to add any other moves, including drafting second rounders, making multiple trades, or moving out of the draft entirely.
Remember this is not fantasy time or a "what if" fanpost. You're trying to accurately predict what Kevin Pritchard and company will do next Thursday.
To make it interesting, anyone who correctly predicts our major move or pick in the draft will receive a Blazers t-shirt courtesy of Niketown. (Roy or Aldridge...I think they might be XXL but you can use them as jammies if you're small.) If more than one person predicts the correct move or pick I will randomly draw a winner from the correct predictions.
If there are multiple moves of sufficient complexity that I feel they warrant it and someone correctly predicts 100% of them before this weekend expires I will consider taking you out to a reasonably nice dinner next time I'm in town. "Sufficient complexity" is wholly up to my judgment, but I'll be fair.
Have at it, and enjoy reading everybody's predictions!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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No fair...
Don’t let Mortimer play this contest.
I predict KP will trade the pick and Jack. and JJ33 will opt out. This is too hard. I give up.
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
Russell Westbrook
because I’ve been saying they should all along. He fits what we need, now as an athletic, instant-defense-off-the-bench rookie, and later when he becomes the ideal combo guard to play with Brandon and Rudy.
The Blazers will have to trade up to get him. It will cost us Travis and Jarrett and the #13 pick. The Blazers will make the trade with the Knicks for their #6 pick.
"I don't trust lawyers." --David Stern
Dang it Sarbonis
You always just barely beat me commenting. What do you do, hang out on BE all day, your fingers poised over the keyboard, constantly hitting the Refresh button for new posts to comment on? Cuz that’s what I do…
"I don't trust lawyers." --David Stern
by MiledAnimal on Jun 19, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I could only dream
of being so prolific as either of you. I know my screenname is way awesome and your fingers just typed it automatically, so it’s forgiven. Besides, my appeal transcends gender barriers, ladies and dudes always be thinkin’ about The Sarb.
"... and with the thirteenth pick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Portland Trailblazers select: David Bowie, of space." Draft Bowie!
Wow, I never noticed that there are two of you!
Sarbonis and Sabonis4Ever. Sorry about that. I know folks often confuse me with my son, philthyanimal.
"I don't trust lawyers." --David Stern
Blame all the stupid things I have said on Sarbonis
There are more than two of us. We are slowly growing. By the summer of 2132 we will have taken over the Bedge V.2.0
Sabonis lives.
President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 20, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Westbrook as the target
Portland will trade Frye, Jack and Rodriguez to the Clippers for #7 and Tim Thomas.
Oops
I hit post before I could write the 2nd half out.
Portland also trades #13, LaFrentz , Outlaw, #36 and their 2009 1st round pick to Washington for Caron Butler and Etan Thomas (this trade is made after the #13 pick of DeAndre Jordan is made on behalf of the Wizards, which allows the 2009 1st rounder to be traded).
dude, lay off whatever you've been smokin...
we’re not trading travis for unproven talent.
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 21, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Come next Thursday
we’ll see who’s smokin’, who’s jokin’, and whose ribs need a pokin’.
"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay
by MiledAnimal on Jun 21, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
OJ Mayo
Pick #3 after a trade with Minny. We give up two young guns, #13 and take back Antoine Walker to make it happen.
Trade Up to #7
Ok here its:
KP trades Jarrett Jack and the #13 pick to the Clippers for their #7 pick.
With the #7 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft the Portland Trail Blazers select DJ Augustine from the University of Texas.
KP the trades his three second round pics to Orlando for their #22 pick.
With the #22 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft the Portland Trail Blazers select either Brandon Rush from the University of Kansas or Chris Douglas-Roberts from the Memphis University. For the purposes of this “contest” I’ll say they end up with Chris Douglas-Roberts because Rush will have already been taken.
If Westbrook is still available at #7 it will be interesting to see if the Blazers choose him over Augustine, but I’m going to stick with Augustine as my prediction.
Also, if KP is able to put together enough to trade up to Seattle’s #4 pick without giving away any of our core (which to me includes Travis Outlaw, but not Martell Webster) I say he takes Jerryd Bayless. To me this would be the ideal pick in this draft, but I don’t see it happening.
So my official prediction is:
#7 – DJ Augustine
#22 – Chris Douglas-Roberts
For What It’s Worth:
Players a couple of players I like at the bottom of the first round or near the top of the second round are JJ Hickson and Gary Forbes.
I can’t wait to see what happens…
Trade Up to #7
Close but wrong picks
KP trades Jarrett Jack and the #13 pick to the Clippers for their #7 pick.
With the #7 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft the Portland Trail Blazers select ERIC GORDON.
KP the trades his three second round pics to Orlando for their #22 pick.
With the #22 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft the Portland Trail Blazers select Nicolas Batnum.
If Westbrook is still available at #7, the Blazers choose him over Gordon, but I think NY will take him at 6.
So my official prediction is:
#7 – ERIC GORDON
#22 – Nicolas Batnum
by spencerbutte on Jun 19, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna agree with this...
KP trades Jarrett Jack and the #13 pick to the Clippers for their #7 pick.
With the #7 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft the Portland Trail Blazers select DJ Augustine from the University of Texas.
Not sure it will be Jack to complete the deal, but I see KP trading up, not down, and drafting a PG, not a forward.
And he won’t be willing to pay enough to get into the top 5.
I will say this: if the Blazers pick at 13, they’ll end up with a forward. KP will either chase a PG he likes or will draft “best available player,” which will probably be (another) SF.
In the second round, I look for KP to stockpile Euros. He’ll probably make one of the 2nd round picks part of the deal to trade up.
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
Trade Up to #7 to pick DJ Augustin
I believe that DJ Augustin is the type of point guard that KP is looking for. Augustin is physically and mentally ready to step into the NBA game and excels at handling the ball, creating shots with passing and dribble penetration, deep range and pesky on the defense. He is our guy.
In order to get Augustin, KP has to give up all of our picks this year and Jarrett Jack. It turns out to be a two part move.
Move 1: San Antonio trades Pick #26 (forward JJ Hickson) to Portland for Pick #33 (center Ante Tomic), Pick #36 (forward Ryan Anderson), and Pick #55 (guard George Hill).
Move 2: Portland trades Pick #13 (guard Brandon Rush), Pick #26 (forward JJ Hickson) and guard Jarrett Jack to the Los Angeles Clippers for Pick #7 (guard DJ Augustin) and guard Brevin Knight.
Augustin, Roy, Webster, Aldridge and Oden as the starting unit. Blake, Fernandez, Outlaw, Frye and Pryzbilla as the second unit. James Jones can stick around, Rodriguez, McRoberts and LaFrentz stay this year as well. The TEAM is back to show improvement on last years 41-41 record AND Portland adds PG DJ Augustin, SG Rudy Fernandez and C GREG ODEN. We keep our depth, talented youth and add three lottery caliber future stars. Book it.
Check out my complete mock draft with these moves and others on it:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/6/20/555876/9-draft-day-trades-a-mock
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 20, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Portland foregoes a 1, trades up for a 3
Portland already has its future point guard. His name is Brandon Roy. He’s not the fastest and quickest guy, but neither was Magic Johnson. What the two share is preternatural court vision, an ability to create a play, good passing, decent defense, good size, leadership qualities that elevate the play of team mates, unflappability, decent free throw shooting, and, beneath engaging personalities, indomitable wills. Kareen was behind Magic defensively and now Oden will be behind Roy.
Thus, JJ plus #13 get traded to the Clips for #7 and the opportunity to draft Alexander. This is why: Martell is a tall SG playing out of position at 3. He starts at 2 with Roy at 1 so long as Webster can keep Fernandez coming off the bench.
Blake backups Roy. Outlaw starts at 3, with Jones, if he resigns, relieving. With Martell at 2, Alexander has some opportunities to develop and even see playing time at small forward. Alexander is the best player available and could be the Jerome Kersey-kind of energy guy the team could use off the bench.
KP doesn’t waste his second round picks. He either trades them all away or bundles them into one second round pick that snares a European who can develop for a year or two abroad.
by Trutherlizer on Jun 19, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Scooped
Almost exactly my prediction, Trutherlizer. To preserve my chance as DINNER WITH DAVE, however, I’ll have KP trading Martell plus #13 to Milwaukee for the #8 and another pick next year.
Unless Derrick Rose is available - hah! - the Blazers are not going to “waste” a top half of the first round pick on a PG. Brandon Roy is going to play a lot of minutes at PG, and excepting Rose there is not another PG in the draft who is necessarily better than either Jack or Blake. (Yeah, some are quicker, some may become better defenders, some may get more assists, but, as a whole package, no PG whom the Blazers will have a chance to draft is a sure thing to be better than the team’s known quantities.) And Jack and Blake are veterans who both are well on the way to becoming “savvy veterans”—a quality that this young squad would benefit more from in the next two or three years than any minuscule superiority that, say, Augustin might have over Jack or Blake in 2013. So, like you, I see the Blazers trading up to ensure that that Joe Alexander is still on the board when they get their pick.
by monkeysuncle on Jun 20, 2008 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
This might work if
you throw them a second-round pick as well, but i like it!!
It’s not too extreme (thus more plausible), and I love J.Alexander’s upside and altheticism. He will be fun to watch dunking on opposing players.
Roy is not Magic Johnson
I love him, but roy is not the man to lead the fast break. Quit comparing him to the leader of Showtime. A guy like Lebron seems more comparable. Also, quit with all this Roy as the point gaurd of the future talk. Yea, he can play the point. and in cruch time situations, the ball will be in his hands, but he is not our teams point gaurd. I like to think of him as our MJ. That said, even the bulls had Scottie Pippen bring the ball down court..
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 21, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Portland Drafts...Devin Harris?
In a stunning turn of events, (or not so stunning if you know the trading atmosphere), the Nets exchanged Devin Harris and their 21st pick to Portland on draft day for Travis Outlaw, Jarrett Jack and the 13th pick in the draft.
I don’t think that’s gonna happen. All I know about the Nets says they’re poised to look desirable to LeBron when he becomes available and nothing else – how does this enhance that?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I doubt the nets mortgage their future on LeBron,
Especially with the Knicks looking to grab him for themselves. Besides, the Knicks have contracts set up to expire right when LeBron’s does, and they will be very attractive to him. This is a surefire deal that favors the nets, where they get a combo forward that can play power. Besides, if they do get LeBron, then Outlaw could be an excellent complement, with the two guys switching off forward positions. LeBron is a facilitator, so why would they need a great point to bring the ball up the court? What they need is a complementary scorer, and that’s what Travis could be. I think the Nets pull the trigger on this deal.
by premthegrem on Jun 20, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The Knicks have “contracts set up to expire” up through 2030, I believe (Allan Houston comes to mind). All I’ve heard is his bosom buddy Jay-Z is revitalizing the franchise and WILL steal LeBron when the time comes. Regardless, New Jersey is in a much better position to do so right now and will continue to look for that.
As for the need for a PG to complement LeBron, isn’t that all he’s asked for since arriving in the city of the burning river? I don’t seem to recall him pushing Cavs ownership for a 6th-man 3/4 shooter.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
KP Does..
The unthinkable. Trades Outlaw, #13, and Jack to a nebulous Pistons (here, I’ll say it.. #25) for three years of Billups. Jack’s basically a mini-Billups w/ turnovers, so Detroit doesn’t lose a whole lot here, considering what they gain.
Then (or, potentially, before), KP flips the script and works a three-team deal to trade RLEC and two future 1st rounders to the Bucks, plus Pryz to the burning rivers of Cleveland for the #8 pick and the #19 pick, respectively. Neither the Bucks nor the hurting Cavs can turn this deal down, so we get Billups + new PG of the week (Westbrook, Gordon, Augustin or Sessions – don’t forget about Sessions) and the Thrilla’s replacement, Hibbert.
Either that, or there’s something even crazier than that, and I can’t prognosticate past multiple-three-team-deals. But, actually, THAT’S the likelihood upon which I’m banking – KP does something even crazier than that.
Either way, if the Chauncey + #8/Sessions + #19 trade goes down, I want my T-Shirt!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
uh thats about as crazy as they come
if any of that actually happens I will grow a pedophile moustache until the season starts. And its too late, I forgot about Ramon Sessions a long time ago.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Oden when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
keepin it simple this year
we keep the 13--Brandon Rush
trade 2 second rounders plus jack to new orleans for #27—-mario chalmers
uwe blab
Prizbilla, Jack and 13 for José Calderón.
Our hopes for a title hang on Oden and not in a great backup who can be a starter in many teams. Toronto needs desperatedly Priz´s kryptonite, and its desperation is our hope.
Jack goes to Toronto to back up TJ Ford.
The 13 pick will make it more attractive for Toronto
Jose Calderon might be upset with the Raptors, his friend Garbajosa is gone and he want to play in a winner team more than money.
Next year there won´t be good PG free agents, so it wouldn´t be a good idea to wait.
Calderon might refuse Toronto´s offer this year to become a free agent next year, so Toronto can´t do its will against Calderon wishes.
The Midnight Rambler
Nice thought
Unfortunately, this deal is guaranteed not to happen on draft night because Calderon is a free agent and won’t be able to sign or be traded for weeks.
by Harry Manback on Jun 20, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The Epic of Draft Night 2008
This is unnecessarily long, but if I am going to accurately predict draft night, might as well do it in style. If you get bored reading this at any point, the bullet points are available at the end of the Epic.
Minnesota is doesn’t like picking #3. The top players available are OJ Mayo and Jerryd Bayliss whom the organization views as too similar to Foye and McCants to warrant a top three pick.
Portland seeing that it can’t possibly spend the $25.5M of cap space that it will have next year, KP with Paul Allen’s skeptical acceptance offers a trade to Minnesota where Portland takes on the remain $60M owed to Marco Jaric and Antoine Walker in exchange for the #13 pick, #36 pick, Martell Webster, Jarrett Jack and Raef’s expiring contract.
Minnesota sees an opportunity to emulate Portland. They would have a glut of young talent (Jefferson, Foye, Webster, McCants, Brewer) and a lot of cap space to work with before their young stars need to sign long term deals.
Commissioner Stern announces the trade to which sends Stephen A. Smith into a rant about the high draft picks that Portland has had. "They had the first pick in last years draft; they traded up from four to the two pick in 2006. They also acquired Brandon Roy who was taken with the fifth pick. They had to get the third pick… it is the only top 5 position they HAVEN’T draft from in the last 3 years."
Commissioner Stern than announces that "With the third pick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Minnesota Timberwolves select: O.J. Mayo, SG USC. The camera immediately pans to Spike Lee who is hanging his head because he still thought that there was a chance Mayo would fall to the Lakers at #6."
Does the story end there… no, of course not. KP can’t execute only one trade on draft night. Amongst a gallery of booing Knicks fans, who wanted Mayo, Pritchard picks up the phone to call Donnie Walsh. "So… how would you like this O.J. Mayo kid."
KP offers O.J. Mayo and Antoine Walker for #6 pick, Malik Rose and Nate Robinson. Walsh has two goals: acquire young talent and get under the cap. He has by now realized that he can’t move both Randolph and Curry, so the team will not be under the cap within the next three years. Since that is the case, acquiring another albatross contract that expires at the same time will have little effect on the managing of the team. Seeing an opportunity to get a bona fide star in the making/Knick fan favorite, Walsh accepts. The Knicks draft the best pure shooting combo guard whom they view as the perfect compliment to Roy at #6: Eric Gordon.
Having moved Antoine Walker’s contract, Kevin Pritchard looks to Tom Penn who has already determined that even with adding Marco Jaric’s contract, the Blazers will still be $18M under the cap next off-season and have acquired the best player they targeted in the draft.
Looking at the roster, there is still an obvious log jam at PG. Additionally, the trading of Martell Webster has left the team with no defensive option at SF. When the #20 pick rolls around Denver is disgusted that there are no viable PG’s available since Ty Lawson withdrew from the draft.
Kevin Pritchard calls Denver offering them a PG solution in Steve Blake (whom you all remember was the perfect complement to AI and Carmello Anthony). Denver won’t trade #20 for Blake, so Portland adds #33 pick. Portland sends Blake and #33 to Denver for #20 and Steven Hunter. With the #20 pick, Portland selects, Brandon Rush, SF, Kansas. Tom Penn also reminds KP that since Blake’s MLE ran through next season… he also just freed up $4.5M in the Denver trade.
All Trades:
Portland trades Martell Webster, Jarrett Jack, Raef LaFrentz, #13, #36 to MIN for Antoine Walker, Marco Jaric and #3(OJ Mayo).
Portland trades the draft rights to OJ Mayo and Antoine Walker to NYK for #6(Eric Gordon), Nate Robinson and Malik Rose.
Portland sends Steve Blake and #33 to DEN for #20(Brandon Rush) and Steven Hunter.
Final Roster:
PG: Eric Gordon/Nate Robinson/Sergio
SG: Roy/Rudy Fernandez/Brandon Rush
SF: Travis Outlaw/James Jones/Brandon Rush
PF: Aldridge/Frye/Steven Hunter
C: Oden/Pryzbilla/Steven Hunter
Marco Jaric: Contract Bought Out
Malik Rose: Expiring Contract
Salary Cap Space for 2009: $22M
If you have read through this entire message, congratulations, I couldn’t put forth the effort to reread it for grammar errors, so more power to you.
Probably should have checked for errors
The second word in the article doesn’t make sense, nor does the second sentence. I also know the Knicks are at #6 not the Lakers.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2008 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Just wondering
How you got to $22 million in cap space. According to my numbers, these deals would put Portland over the cap – unless you let Jones, Frye and Robinson all walk away as unrestricted free agents in 2009. Even then, the Blazers would only be about $10 million under the cap.
2009 Salary Cap info heading into Free Agency (Theoretical):
Marko Jaric $7.1M
Joel Pryzbilla: $6.9M
Greg Oden: $5.4M team option (guaranteed to exercise)
LaMarcus Aldridge: $5.8M team option (guaranteed to exercise)
Travis Outlaw $4M
Brandon Roy $3.9M team option (guaranteed to exercise)
Eric Gordon $2.3M
Sergio Rodriguez $1.9M team option (likely to exercise)
Brandon Rush $1.1M
Rudy Fernandez $1.0M team option (guaranteed to exercise)
RFA’s:
Nate Robinson, Channing Frye
FA’s:
Malik Rose, James Jones, Steven Hunter
Total Team Salary: $37.5M (if Sergio option declined) $39.4M (if accepted)
Projected Salary Cap: $59M
Projected Cap Room: $21.5M if Sergio is not tendered a contract
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Sure about Projected Salary
The Salary cap is 51% of the BRI. In 2006-07, that was $53.135M. In 2006-07 that was $55.63M. I wanted to be conservative so I assumed the salary cap would only increase $3.37M over the next two years… when it will more likely be at least $5M.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
it's only 39.4 if we don't tender offers to Nate and Channing
First off, I”m assuing your salary number are correct. That said:
In order to preserve our right of first refusal on Frye and Nate (keeping them as restricted free agents), we have to extend to them, prior to June 30, 2009, a qualifying offer. For Channing, that number is 4.2 million. For Nate, it’s 2.9 million. Once that happends, and until they actually SIGN a contract, there is a “cap hold” number that is placed on our books. In Channing’s case, it’s 2.5 times the QO amount. In Nate’s case, it’s 3 times the amount. This means that there combined cap hold amounts would be around $19 million. This leaves you only a few million dollars under the projected $59 million cap.
Of course, you could elect NOT to extend QOs to them, thereby freeing up that $19 million, but then they automatically become unrestricted.
The end point of all this being you either have to say we are 21.5 under with Nate and Channing on the UFA list, or we are 2.5 under with them on the RFA list (as you indicate)
Cap Holds for reserve players aren't very important in the long run
First, Channing Frye makes less than the average NBA salary, so his cap hold will also be 300% of his previous contract (Cap hits are a percentage of the previous contract (250% for those making more than league average and 300% for those making less) not the qualifying offer so their combined cap hits would be $15.5M and not $19M). Second, cap holds are not a big factor in free agency unless the players will make salaries close to those cap holds (I think we can all agree Frye will not make $9.5M/yr and Robinson won’t make $6M/yr) As a GM, you retain the cap hold in free agency until you have come to terms with a free agent whom you wish to use the money on. If at that point, the RFA’s haven’t re-signed or signed an offer sheet, you renounce the players which means: you lose all “Bird Rights” and “Right of First Refusal”. That would be a bad situation if the RFA’s wanted to leave the city, but both Robinson and Frye would most likely prefer to stay. The only reason they would leave is if they could start on another team… and I don’t think we would match the offer if a team was going to pay our reserve players starter’s money.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahh, I see
You’re assuming Steven Hunter doesn’t pick up his player option for $3.7 million.
BTW, Portland will have cap holds for their 2009 1st round pick, for Koponen and for Freeland that you haven’t accounted for. Also, I think that you’re expecting Fernandez, Gordon and Rush to sign for less than 120% of their rookie scale which is doubtful.
And no need to talk about the cap holds for free agents since you’re discussing that with douglast.
I got careless on Steven Hunter... thanks
Now that I looked it up again, it is not even a player option… he is signed through 2009-10. Thank you. As for Fernandez Rush and Gordon. Here are the salaries for players in this years draft. For Gordon I wrote down the 2nd year for #7 and for Rush… 2nd year for #20.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
And there is the problem
I just put down his salary if he were drafted 7th when I had him taken 6th. His salary should be $2.57M and not $2.3M.
So now for about the 6th time trying to post the team salary cap… it would be:
$17.5M cap space (provided Salary cap is at a conservative $59M)
with $15.5M in cap holds for Frye/Robinson, and
$6.3M cap hold for James Jones.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Freeland and Koponen
If players are under contract with teams outside of the NBA, there is no cap hold for them. The team retains control of the player until one year after his contract expires with the foreign team. There is no cap hold until the players contract is up.
Obviously if we bring Freeland or Koponen over this season, there will be some salary cap modification.
So with the Steven Hunter error fixed, the teams cap will be $17.8M with $15.5M in cap holds for Frye and Robinson. Plus, no one mentioned that James Jones cap hold would be $6.3M if he accepts his player option. I doubt we need to post Malik Rose’s cap hold because he would be immediately released.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You're almost right about Freeland and Koponen
Just FYI, during the season, if an unsigned 1st round pick has a contract with a non-NBA team, then his cap hold goes off the team salary figure on the opening night of the season and stays off for the remainder of the season. However, once July 1st rolls around, his cap hold gets applied again to the team salary until he is either signed by the NBA team, renounced by the NBA team, or until opening night again (if he is still under contract with a non-NBA team). During the summer months, yes, unsigned 1st round picks such as Freeland and Koponen do count against the cap.
Here’s what it says in the CBA (Article VII – 4 – e – 2)
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_4.php
In the event that a First Round Pick signs with a non-NBA team, the player’s applicable Rookie Scale Amount shall be excluded from the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights, beginning on the date he signs such non-NBA contract or the first day of the Regular Season, whichever is later, and shall be included again in his Team’s Team Salary at the applicable Rookie Scale Amount on the following July 1 or the date the player’s contract ends (or the player is released from his non-NBA contractual obligations), whichever is earlier, unless the Team renounces its exclusive rights to the player
I hope all this doesn’t come across as attacking in any way. Seriously, I was interested in where you got your numbers because I am interested in all things CBA and salary-wise. But I know that I appreciate it when someone corrects me on CBA issues when I post something incorrect (as long as they do it nicely), and I just wanted to let you know what the rule is on unsigned 1st round picks.
Thank you
I don’t understand why the collective bargaining agreement has to so complicated. I get most of my salary cap answers from a comprehensive FAQ rather than the actual document so it is always nice to learn a new facet of the CBA. I appreciate the clarification.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 22, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Larry Coon's FAQ is awesome
(I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to)
Larry has forgotten more about the CBA than I will ever know. I’ve interacted with him a couple of times, and I appreciate his extensive contribution to my understanding of the CBA. If only he weren’t a die-hard Laker fan…...
He would be the first to say, however, that his FAQ doesn’t answer every question about the CBA, just the most-often asked ones. If it answered every question, it would be much longer than the CBA itself…..
Your PG lineup is horrible
No disrespect to you – but if we have that PG lineup as you state it there’s no way we’re making the playoffs next year, let alone winning 41 games. Gordon is not a PG, he’s a better version of Jack. And for that matter, Nate is a smaller and less consistent version of Jack.
No Gordon is not a PG... he is a combo
Which is what Portland needs. Brandon Roy will be running the offense, so the Blazers are looking for a scoring combo guard who can still defend the PG position. Brandon Roy runs the offense on the team… there is no need for a traditional PG.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds rude.
My apologies. It may be confusing that I have Gordon listed as a PG and Roy listed as a SG because they would play to opposite roles on offense. I build my lineups thinking defensively which could be some of the confusion. Roy and Robinson would be the men primarily running the offense.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Portland and ATL
PDX trades Jack and 13th for Marvin Williams
OR
PDX Trades Jack, 13th, and Webster (and filler) for Josh Childress and a bad contract.
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina
Stand Pat +
As Midget stated above, simply draft Rush at #13, but also purchase (or trade second rounders for) a late first rounder, whom we plan on stashing in Europe.
One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season
Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club
"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus
Why?
No offense, but I don’t understand why the blazers would draft a player that plays SG/SF when they have Roy, Rudy, Outlaw,Webster and possibly Jones. Unless he is a huge upgrade he would never see the floor. If he did see the floor, then the Blazers made a mistake not trading. The current values of these players would be lost while not playing. As “ready” as they say Rush is. I can’t see him finding time as long as all of the current players are ahead of him. In the event that they trade one of them, I would think it would be to move up in the draft and get a PG.
When you look at the roster, you see that their weakest spot on the team is PG. They are actually strong with multiple talents at SF,SG,PF and C. If they were to trade either Outlaw or Webster with Jack then they would EVENTUALLY have to look at filling that position with a Rush or Alexander type player . But, if there is a position that needs to be upgraded it’s PG. Unless the Blazers feel that they are making a huge upgrade at the SF position. I don’t know if there is a player in the draft that gives us that huge upgrade at SF.
If they did make a trade with these players I think they would have enough flexibility with their bigs to get by much easier at SF/SG then they will have to without upgrading their PG. If the window of getting to the championship level is 2 years then why wouln’t they get the PG they need now to grow with the team. I love Blake, Jack and Sergio but I’m sorry they will not run a championship team. The PG is one of the key positions on the floor to have for that type of team. Just look at the last two years championship teams and what type of players played the PG position. Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo. Both fast and the Blazers have no one to match up to those types of guards. It is obvious with what Rajon Rondo did in the last game this year to win the championship. This is why I believe the Blazers will make a trade to move up for a rookie or vet PG not a SF.
by inallthetime on Jun 22, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
My take
I happen to agree with the earlier predictions whereby the Blazers trade up to get either Augustin, Westbrook or Gordon. I also agree with packaging the 3#2’s for a first rounder.. However, I’m not entirely certain that the player and #13 will get us to 7. To get there, we might also use the bosses money to buy one of several 1st round picks available for $3 million in the 25 – 30 bracket, much as we did last year, and then toss that into the mix as well. However, If we could get to #7 with just Jack and the #13, then those #2’s, plus the purchase of a 1st rounder in the 25-30 bracket, might net us a pick in the 18-20 range – particularly if someone liked Sergio, and we tossed him into the mix as well. This might get us Rush or Batum/Chalmers – although Rush seems to have moved up into the top 15 in some of the latest mock drafts.
My backup is to suggest that if we cannot make the trade up that we want, then we may do a sign and trade of the 13’s, toss Jack/Sergio and another 1st rounder into the mix, and pick up a vet such as Gordon, Barbosa, etc.
Trade down with Washington
I think the Trail Blazers are considering only a few people, including: Rose, Bayless, Westbrook, and Mario Chalmers. The first three should be gone by #13, and it may be too costly for us to move up and get ‘em. It would be nice to trade for another vet, but with JJ as our only purely expendable player this idea is difficult to pull off (i.e. matchng salaries).
According to ‘Hoopshype’ the Wizards have a mere nine players under contract for next season.
So, we’ll swap our #13 pick and one of the early second rounders for Wizard’s #18 pick and a 2010 lottery-protected first-rounder.
Chalmers will be chosen at #18. We’ll get some unknown European player at either #33 or #36. Then KP will take TominHawaii at #55 for “culture” reasons—a real bargain.
Here's my guess
With the 13th pick the Blazer’s select Brandon Rush assuming Westbrook, Augustine, and Alexander, in that order, are gone.
If KP is so enamoured by any of the prospects, my guess would be that he would trade the 13th plus Jack and/or Sergio to get the sixth pick from NY to select either Westbrook or Augustine. I don’t think that Outlaw or Webster are worth giving up for any of the prospects considered attainable.
The Blazers will use second-round picks to trade for future first or second round picks. Assimilating three rookies is enough for one year. The other scenario – using the picks to draft Euros. Although KP has a history of being active in the draft this is a different kind of year. They needed to make some changes the past few years. This year they will be okay if they trade all their picks for future picks and add no additional players. Other teams need to make changes – KP can afford to be picky.
For What it's worth.
For what it’s worth, if you go to the Blazers home on OregonLive, you can read Chad Ford’s latest input. He’s commenting that 1) Minnesota wants a big body, but think’s their #3 is too low, so they’re trying to move up higher – but they don’t want vets, they want youth. Phx is clearly shopping Barbosa and Diaw, and one of the players they like is Rush. Both the Bucks and the Clips are after the #3 because they want Mayo, and everyone on the Clips team is in play. The Nets are shopping the #10 to try to move up to get some star power, and the Knicks may be targetting Westbrook. Further, Jefferson (Nets) is being shopped because they want to clear cap space by 2010, and Prince(Detroit), Howard (Mavericks), and Wallace, (Bobcats) are on the market as well.
The Suns and a “number” of teams are talking to the Wolves, Knicks, Clippers, Bucks, Nets and Blazers.
Most interesting for those talking about standing pat, was the comment that ,”The Blazers have the 13th, 33nd, 36th and 55th picks in the draft. Obviously, they don’t want four rookies joining the two they already have coming in—Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez”.
GM Kevin Pritchard, as always, is being creative trying to package those picks with young assets such as Jarrett Jack and Travis Outlaw and the expiring contract of Raef LaFrentz to move up or to get a veteran. Portland also is considering packaging those second-round picks to get another first-round pick.
Does this start to sound like a likely 3-way deal in the offing? And, would anyone of you take Jefferson for Jack and Outlaw? How about Prince?
FWIW addendum
In last year’s Draft Day Thread that I linked to in the Draft Party fanpost, there were lots of comments along the line of “Chad Ford called it right” as the draft progressed. I don’t know how his predictions panned out overall, but it may well be worth paying attention to his analysis. His mock draft from Tues is here, and his first comments are:
“The skinny: It seems unlikely the Blazers will actually keep this pick. They are loaded with young players and have a history of activity on the trade market. GM Kevin Pritchard is already burning up the phone lines. I think either he’ll package some of his young players with this pick and move up in the draft to get a more solid prospect or he’ll trade the pick for a veteran.”
hmmm
I need to read that then because that’s exactly in line what I think will happen as well.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
I can't think that big
so the only prediction I’m going to make is that somewhere in the mix we will draft a Euro who is probably not on anyone else’s radar. I’m basing this on Joel Freeland, Sergio, Petteri, and a few other names that have not resurfaced after the draft (even Rudy was less well known last year.)
I think the trick is to determine which is the one we want
There are a lot of Euro players that will be picked towards the end of the first round, the scouts job is determine which one (or two, or three) of those guys are worth taking.
The Way it Sounds
This will be last draft for awhile where KP has 3 #2’s, a lottery at 13, a couple of young assets that could be swapped that seem to have value, and the cap space coming down the road – of which LaFrentz is a big part. We have 3 players that would start anywhere, a roster full of young talent ,- some of which will be cramped to get much future playing time here, and a full bench. Quantity is out, Quality is in. By next year, we’ll be out of the cap space he’s cleared, and lottery picks will be in the past – for a long time. At the same time, let’s not forget that you can always get role players downstream to fill bench spots – just as we did last year with Jones and Blake. And, we can always buy/or use lower 1st rounds to pick up “potential” if need be. So, it sounds like he’s trying to “strike” while he can. And if he can’t this year, then whatever he does now will set up the cap space next summer – since that’ll be our last shot to land another quality vet.
Pritchard blows everyones mind
and takes the best player available at #13… If he does package the pick in a trade, it will only include JJ, Sergio or RLEC. He will NOT trade Trout or Martell this year, at least not right now. Any trade involving them would only happen at the trade deadline, no sooner. No way we trade for Richard Jefferson either. We need a vet at PG, not SF.
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Westbrook and Alexander
Trading Jack and the 13 to the Clippers who need guards and big men for their pick. Trading Outlaw and 2nd rd picks for the number 8 pick of Milwaukie who would rather have a good contract of a vet then a rookie SF like Alexander or Danilio.
7th pick we take Either Westbrook or Augustine who’s left
8th we take Alexander or Danilio Gallinari who’s left.
Neither start next year and will learn.
Starters
Blake
Roy
Webster
LMA
Oden
Bench
PG #7 pick \Sergio
SG Rudy/
SF Jones/#8 pick
PF Frye/ Mcroberts
C Pryzbilla/Frye
Kopenen Develpment league
Martell Webster, Jack and #13 to Suns for Barbosa and change.
Additionally, we trade 33&36 picks for a late first-rounder, and take someone from overseas to stash away.
Portland trades #55 for a future second-round pick.
Wherever you go, there you are.
Agreed
That Barbosa rumor makes a lot of sense if we can get him that cheaply.
Remember, though, that it’s easier to stash Euros if you take them in the 2nd round.
Koponen, Freeland
Were both taken #30, and stashed overseas.
This seems to be part of the Pritchard Modus Operandi.
Wherever you go, there you are.
It's easier
Because if you take a European in the second round, there is no rookie scale contract, meaning if the player flourishes and is offered millions to play in Europe, you can offer him more than the low amount paid for late first rounders.
A high second round pick is a little better because you aren’t inhibited by the mandated contracts of the late first.
by bleedingblackandred on Jun 20, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
DeAndre Jordan
I say we draft De andre Jordan after trading w/ Golden
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
Also
No chance Alexander will be around at #13. He’s cancelled his workouts because he has a promise in the top 10. Sorry.
The Phx trade, or one similar, has also been reported recently. And yes, Webster was in the mix.
And, I still think Augustin is high on the Blazers list. KP called him a “natural point guard”. Ain’t this fun?
Barbosa OR Mayo?
Before this morning’s talk about trading the pick, Martell, and a player TBD for Barbosa, I thought the Blazers would trade with the Timberwolves to get the No.3 pick and draft OJ Mayo.
They want a big-man to get Jefferson over to PF, and J.Pryzbilla is from Minnesota. Add-in the no. 13 pick, and Martell or maybe Outlaw and it could have made sense.
I would love OJ Mayo if he stayed commited to defense. Plus, I don’t think Joe Alexander is going to be around at 13, so we should trade it away.
If nobody else is going to say it, I guess I will.
I gotta go back to the rumors from weeks past and go with something centering around Raef + #13 for Kirk Hinrich. I doubt the deal is straight up. Portland likely has to send something more, or maybe some kind of swap involving Frye and Thomas occurs (Chicago still needs an offensive-minded PF).
Portland doesn’t need more rookies. Chicago drafts Rose and doesn’t need Hinrich. Despite a less-than-stellar season, Hinrich is an Olympian with a contract that is long but tapers off to where he’s not a whole lot over a mid-level exception in the end. Portland loses some of its cap space in 2009, but gets a young, defensive-minded veteran PG who they would probably happily sign to that cap space if he were available next year.
Also, the Blazers trade one of their second-round picks for a second-rounder next year. They trade the other two for some pick late in the first round, with which they draft Grsziewian Kyericmeisz, a largely unknown seven-footer from the largely unknown Republic of East Gzygristan. “Gus”, as his friends refer to him, has only been playing basketball for 8 weeks but has great hands and a kind demeanor. Blazer fans rejoice, hailing him as the next Greg Oden. He is slated to spend the next year developing his great hands and kind demeanor playing for the Gzygristan Irritated Rodents of the Lesser Eastern European Recreational League, but no doubt he will cross the pond next year and lead us to the Promised Land.
I'm sticking with my (hopeful) vision:
Chicago has Heinrich so they allow KP to wrestle away Rose and the #1 spot. What does KP have to give up to get it? I’m going with #13, Travis and Rudy. Of course with the #1 pick KP selects Rose.
This isn’t my official prediction but we might have to give up #13, LMA and change to get at Rose.
Happy daze … we’ll now have the best point guard in the league for the next dozen years.
DJ Augustin at #11
Portland sends #13 and Jack to Indiana for #11. Indiana gets a known commodity at PG, Portland gets an impressive PG to grow with Oden, Roy, and LMA, and not taking another player back helps with roster flexibility.
An Alternate Scenario For Your Consideration
Ok, I’ve got another prediction that I really like, this just for fun. I’m officially sticking with my original prediction for contest purposes.
Portland trades Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw, Raef’s expiring contract, plus all three of our second round picks, and possibly cash and scraps (ie Joel Freeland) to the Charlotte Bobcats for Small Forward Gerald Wallace and their #9 pick.
With the #9 pick in 2008 NBA Draft the Portland Trailblazers select DJ Augustine.
To me this move would be even better than moving up to #3 or #4 to take Jerryd Bayless.
I predict...
KP will get caught up in a “Mannix” reruns marathon and forget all about it being draft night. Paul Allen will call him to fire him but will forgive KP when he hears the reason.
Portland will forfeit all its picks.
"You don’t visit the coast, then ask where you could get some average seafood." -tominhawaii
by -ken on Jun 20, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Too Hard!
Too many options for Pritchard. Too hard to predict. I know whatever I’m going to say will be wrong. I’ll say that the player picked at 13 in the draft (whether by the Blazers or not) does not end up on the Blazers roster by the start of the season. I know that will not win me a T-shirt, but that’s as specific as I can get and still have a better than a 50% chance of being right… For some reason, I still want the Blazers to get Eric Gordon, but I doubt it will happen.
As for the later half of the draft:
-The Blazers trade the 33 + cash for Serge Ibaka.
-They trade the 36th pick as part of the trade that involves the 13th pick.
-They trade the 53 pick for a future 2nd rounder.
by PoliSam on Jun 20, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I think the Blazers will get Serge Ibaka and stash him. Either with a trade of second round pics or cash or a combination of.
I’d still like to get Westbrook.
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Jun 20, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My hunch
It’s all a smokescreen. Calderon can still be had.
Blake (4.2) and Outlaw (4.0) for Calderon (8.2). This will happen a week after the draft. I believe that Calderon has demanded a trade to Portland.
We’ll all be scratching our heads because Portland moves up to get Alexander at #10 (Jack and #13 for to NJ’s Awvee Storey and #10.)
Then Pritchard moves the #33 and #36 + 3 mil. to Washington at #18 for Koufos.
55 is used for sharp-shooter Shan Foster.What in the world is KP doing, we’re all asking. Alexander and Koufos? Getting younger? It’ll make sence when FA begins.
Oden/Pryzbilla/Koufos
Aldridge/Frye/LaFrentz
Webster/Jones/Alexander
Roy/ Fernandez/Foster
Calderon/Surge
Sorry
but your Calderon trade doesn’t work because he’ll be a BYC player.
by Storyteller on Jun 20, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
nope
BYC exists when you are on the last year (or two) of an existing contract and you have already signed an extension.
Calderon has no existing contract, he’s a free agent. Toronto can execute a sign and trade deal with Portland and make the starting salary anything all three parties agree to. This salary is then used, straight-up, for purposes of salary matching.
ok, I was wrong
You were right.
As long as he gets a raise more than 20%, then he’ll be a BYC player. We could still do the sign and trade, but we would have to get another team involved to eat some extra salary.
or use a trade exception
If he signs for the new amount the orignal post proposed, around $8 million, then Toronto can take back only $4 million in salary (either of the players mentioned). If we have an approximate $4 million trade exception, then we can take Calderon on. Alternatively, if Toronta has about that much in a trade exception, then they can take on both players from us.
Of course, generally the way to create a trade exception is by either them or us executing another trade with a 3rd team. In the end, it’s the same as a 3-team deal, except the trades could be executed seperately and further apart.
The problem isn't with Portland
so the Blazers having or not having a trade exception is irrelevant. From Portland’s POV, they send out $8.59 million by sending Blake ($4.59) and Outlaw ($4.00) and take back $8.2 million for Calderon. Works under CBA rules.
The problem with Calderon’s BYC status is that they can’t take back both Outlaw and Blake by only giving up Calderon. However, if Toronto had a $4 million trade exception to take back Outlaw, you’re right in saying that the trade could happen. However, they don’t….
by Storyteller on Jun 20, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
right, but what I was saying is that
either Toronto or us could create a $4 million trade exception prior to doing this deal (like we did last year with the NY trade) or at the same time by getting a 3rd team involved.
If we got the trade exception, then we send only 1 of the players mentioned for Calderon. Seems unlikely that they wouldn’t want more thought. If they got the exceptions, then we would send both.
Not saying it isn’t difficult, but it is doable if the teams want to make it work.
Not quite
If Portland has a $4 million trade exception, then it is useless in trying to obtain an $8 million player. You cannot combine a trade exception with another player’s salary to get a third player.
Trade exceptions must be as large (within $100,000) as the salary of the player you are trying to bring in. Otherwise, it cannot be used.
wow, that sucks
I thought you could combine a trade exception with a player. But now that you mention that you can’t—it does seem to jive with what I’ve read/heard before.
Ok then, so the only way to make this work is for toronto to get the exception via a 3rd trading partner.
Once you work all the salary stuff out, you realize that the chance of us getting Calderon are pretty much nil – not like they weren’t close to nil already.
Good stuff Storyteller.
Augustine with the 10th pick
Blazers trade #13, a second rounder, and Jarrett Jack to the New Jersey Nets for #10 (perhaps cash considerations, secondary pieces- any player blazers receives will be waived).
Blazers take DJ Augustine with the 10th because he’s a pure point guard- great ball handler and floor leader. The Blazers struggled against teams with outstanding perimeter defenders, because we didn’t have a lights out ball handler. On the offensive end, I thought this was our most glaring weakness last year. Nate said it best: he can get to any spot on the floor he wants.
BTW: Nets take Robin Lozez at 13.
Blazers trade, sell, or stash all 2nd rounders.
Our 2008/09 nine-man rotation
Blake
Roy
Martell (if no further marked improvement, loses starting spot by 1st quarter of season)
LMA
Oden
Trout (3 and 4)
Joel
Rudy (2 and 3)
DJ Aug or Sergio
Next 3:
Channing
DJ Aug or Sergio
Raef
Last 3:
McRob
Kopponen (if we like him, we need to sign him before Euro club locks him up)
Von Wafer or other
Jack (traded)
James Jones (opt out)
PS: After Jack, I think the other off-season trade candidates are, in order:
Martell
Sergio
Channing
A Not-Close Second / RUNNER UP PREDICTION:
KP trades out of the first round. # 13, Jack, Raef’s expiring, for a veteran point guard
like Billups, Heinrich or Andre Miller.
I’d rather stay young by adding DJ, and see this team grow together.
Love the Wallace Idea
If KP could get the 2 for 1, a PG and a solid SF, he’d be in GM heaven taking bows for St Peter.
Glad some of you have also seen Ibaka.
In my book the kid (18) is the one to stash.
I repeat, GO BIG! Hibbert
I looked in my backyard again this morning, and still the 7’2” 280lb Center With Skills Tree has yet to produce the same bountiful harvest as last years Oden crop. So it looks like we will need to pick this plum from the draft.
2-4 the who
Blazers love Numbers
The Blazers are big on statistical analysis. Roy had a very good PAWS against top college competition.
GOOD
> Purely on the numbers, Love makes a solid case as the top 2008 draft prospect. While Beasley sports a higher 10.9 PAWS/40, Love bests him when either adjusting for pace or competition.
> Speights offers a strong set of big man skills and delivered an astounding 12.4 PAWS/40 during 2006-2007
> Hibbert posted great numbers his last three years despite the cement-slow Georgetown tempo
BAD
> Augustin still rates as an average point guard with a .4 PAWS/40
> While Bayless is young and may improve, his turnover rates and weak rebounding suggest that he’ll likely not pan out to the all star guard many predict.
> Russell Westbrook’s collegiate statistics are set in stone, and markedly average.
>By the numbers, teams should steer away from selecting Eric Gordon and save themselves millions of dollars and handfuls of losses.
My prediction is encrypted until after the draft
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I think it means that Freeland is not coming over
In fact, it’s sort of a declaration that the Blazers want to be independent of that whole area, I think.
Eway avehay away innerway! Way to go!
Let me know what the sig should say, pualo, and when you want it to start.
Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig
Maybe I should donate your space to a worthy cause
Well, I could say something in recognition of your brilliance
whereas if you, yourself, were to do this, it might look … i dunno .. a bit vain?
Okay, here's my first stab at it
"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
that an easy encryption t crack btw
its just the letter after the one u put for example, sgd – the
Whats your ring size? 2010
by Gregory Roy Aldridge on Jun 20, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, i totally did not read the posts below
u guys got it b4 me, dang
Whats your ring size? 2010
by Gregory Roy Aldridge on Jun 20, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Catman.
We’ll forward this to the Kryptonite Cryptology department.
Also – when it comes to PAWS, keep in mind they’re being based on only 1 or 2 years of playing time. Which is the problem with 19 year olds. The data is pretty thin.
@@@ CONTEST ANNOUNCEMENT! Valuable prizes! @@@
If anybody can figure out what my encoded text says, I’ll give him or her the use of my sig file space (brand new, never been used!) for one month. Message must be within the limits of good taste assumed to be in effect on this site.
it says two things.
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and secondly
I don’t know the answer, so I’m going to type something up and then fill in the blanks after draft night so I can be right. MWAHAHAHA suckers.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
Yes, my devious plan was to claim I guessed correctly after the fact
But puolo cracked it for real, so now I can’t do that.
Well, if you wanted a literal translation...
The unanimous declaration of the thirteen united states of america…
I could go on, but I’m actually doing work right now.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
I do like paulo's subtle way of expressing that though.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
oh yeah
and you end…
we hold these truths to be self.
Very good to be self me thinks.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
Yeah I wasn't too careful with the cut-n-paste job
I did a simple substitution cypher on the whole document, saw it was too long to post, and lopped off the chunk at the top to go in my … uh … prediction.
Thanks for playing, and we’ll hold more of these contests as the summer wends along.
The cypher would have been better...
...if it was a scrambled alphabet, rather than just a one-letter-earlier-in-the-alphabet thing.
Next time, try code groups, or a numeric substitution pattern or something.
I used to love doing the jumble in the newspaper every morning, back when I used to get my information off of dead trees.
;-)
Wherever you go, there you are.
I understand
It wasn’t my intention to make it overly challenging. Here’s one for ya:
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"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"
These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.
Plan for the future
Blazers select Anthony Randolph with the #13 pick. Trade him to Washington along with Jarrett Jack and the #36 for the #18 pick and next years #1. Top 3 Protected.
Blazers select Nicholas Batum.
The Blazers then trade the #33 and the #55 picks to San Antonio for their #1 pick next year.
Blazers then trade Martell Webster and Sergio Rodriguez to the Charlotte Bobcats for Raymond Felton.
So with Pritchs crazy wheelings and dealings we draft Nicolas Batum at 18. Add Felton in a trade, and have 3 #1s next year in order to wheel and deal for a star player or to get to the top of the draft for that LAST player who will put us over the edge.. new team as such
Felton/Blake/Koponen?
Roy/Fernandez
Outlaw/Batum/JJ???
LMA/Frye/McBob
Oden/Pryz/Raef
and a FA signing to get us to 15. McBob and Petteri ride the pine or play Dleague ball
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 20, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
don't see it happening
Sergio would never see the court as long as Larry Brown is the coach. As far as Martell goes, the Cats traded for J-Rich just last offseason, they drafted Jared Dudley last year, and still have 2006 1st round pick Adam Morrison and Matt Carroll, so I can’t see them trading their starter for a throw in and someone who’ll probably be a backup for them, at least the next year or two.
Other than JRich
Martell is the best player of that bunch hands down. And trust me I dont have blazervision. Martell has many faults, of them, none are being as bad as Dudley, the Stache and Carroll. The cats still have brevin knight as well.
PLUS you forgot the best part. Michael Jordan is the GM. So anything goes. See ya sergio!
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 23, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Right On!
I think most of y’all are crazy, especially anyone talking about trading travis outlaw for anything short of Kobe or Lebron…this though would be amazing. Felton is completely legit. A lot of people have been sleeping on him. Don’t know what you gotta do KP..but make it happen
Felton,Roy,Outlaw,Aldridge,Oden-—-—-—-—-we’re set for a decade
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 21, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There are at least 50 players between Troutlaw and Kobe/Lebron
that are clearly better. It’s actually probably more than 100 players that are better.
yea maybe.....but
That might be true, but there are not 50 players i would rather have on this team. If we lose travis, we lose a glue guy. The only way i’d be willing to do that would be for an established star…...and not Carmelo. I’m looking for a team first guy
by BroyTheTruth on Jun 23, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldnt go that far
Travis isnt quite that good. He still isnt a starter level defender, but he will get better. I think this is reasonable though.. considering Jordan still runs the Cats
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 23, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This is tough
My flavors lean towards Alexander and DJ Augustine.
The question then becomes, how will KP get them and which will he choose?
DJ is listed at 5’11” but with a LARGE reach advantage. This separates him somewhat from other short PG’s. His height real disadvantage is that taller PG’s will see over him, however, if he’s as good as indicated he’ll make up for that with his skills.
I strongly suspect that Alexander has the toughness mentality that we need and our looking for. We need an enforcer, and this could be our guy. He’s also started late, he’s a hard worker, and I suspect that his talent level will shoot up. Additionally his attitude and desire to play with us is huge.
Alexanders down side will be his lack of polish. He’s been playing for five years and still has a high learning curve. that said, he has talent AND a great work ethic. Possibly you draft him and develop him for a starter position in a few years.
I lean towards Alexander because he can play 3/4 and KP likes flexibility with players. Alexander has also shown he can change up his game to adapt to team needs. Also, when it comes down to it, I REALLY don’t like short guards. 6’ is my ceiling and DJ is 5’10”.
So, we need to move up or move down. I don’t think we’ll move down. KP believes that you find the guy and go after him. If we’re moving down, I think we’ll be trading out.
Alexander is SF while DJ is PG and PG is our biggest need. Of course we also have the Finland kid who we’ve stashed over in Finland. He’s been working on his body to make it NBA ready, thanks to his coaches and his countries desire for him to make it and succeed in the NBA. So Finland will be a factor in this debate. How much has he developed?
So I see DJ and Alexander as our key guys with the Finland kid and the question “what will webster become?” being our key deciding factors on who we really want vs what we need to give up.
So, can we get those guys and how, or do we do a trade and include 13 with the trade?
I’m going to go with Alexander. My reasoning is that I’ve been preaching Finland for the past year and I need to stick with it. I believe in the kid and I think we’ll need to snag him this year if he’s been getting offers from euro teens. he’ll need playing time and I think we’ll have a Roy, Rudy, Blake rotation with the finland kid cleaning up.
On the block we have Jack, Webster or Outlaw, Frye, and sergio.
What makes the most sense to me is Jack, Webster, sergio and Frye as well as our 2nd round picks that we really won’t be using, but is Alexander worth giving up Webster? What else might we get out of the deal? Can we work in future 1st round picks, which teams will most benefit from these pieces (all or some) and is it worth making the move? Oh, and lastly, are there teams out there that would LOVE to do a deal with us?
Two other factors to take into it are Barbosa and Calderon. Calderon wants to play with a winner and does not like playing second string and TJ will most likely be tough to trade. Barbosa does NOT want to leave phoenix, and terry porter is said to like him, but does he fit there?
So, I need to do some research but wanted to drop these thoughts out there while I do it so I can come back and review next week.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
No one will be able to see over him
if he wears his hair like this:

"I don't trust lawyers." --David Stern
as funny as that is...
you’re right! He should just bring back the fro and he’s good.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
Something like this

it’s big but edgy. Monte Towe could have extended his career by ten years with that ‘do.
"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay
exactly!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
When reviewing
Consider that there’s some pretty solid evidence that Jefferson, Gordon, Prince and Josh Howard are being talked about for trades. Which throws another curve out there. What we don’t see are PG’s with any real upside. Some keep talking Calderon, but Toronto has been adamant that he’s their guard of the future – and that they are determined to keep him.
Well
Jefferson = Too spendy
Gordon = Uhh no thanks
Prince = Yes please may I have another (but i suspect he will be the marquee player in the future)
Howard = Maybe. We do have some strong weed in Oregon and you saw what it did to our other players
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 20, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
They may want to keep him
but that means getting rid of TJ ford and ensuring Calderon that they really do have a championship team. Failing that he may force a trade and that’s why I included him in my scenario. I don’ t think it’s likely as the real trades you usually don’t hear about, but i wanted to include it because it hasn’t been mentioned for a while and with rudy here, it’s possible.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
assuring.
i meant ASSURING
i’m about ready to kick my fingers… well… wrist? They seem to lack the thing I want to be kicking.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
So many choices
I say at 13 the Blazers take… Robin Lopez (don’t worry, it gets better)
The Nets at 10 take a falling Eric Gordon, and the Blazers and Nets swap players plus Portlands 36th pick.
At 33 KP stays put and takes a falling Euro, LIke Omer Asik or Serge Ibaka.
55 will either be traded for future consideration or used on some one boring like Hairston or Darnell Jackson.
Joel Freeland=Stud
blazers draft nite
they will package the pick & players for tayshaun prince…they have two huge rookies coming in next year – they don’t need another, they have too many players already…they may indeed package their 2nd rounders for a low first to grab a future-euro
DJ Augustin
1) The Blazers will pick up DJ Augustin – Best pure point that the Blazers can get behind Rose
2) We will trade up to #10 with the nets. Give up Jack and #13
by Stumptown Doug on Jun 20, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
Finally...
I’ve been aching to hatch my “What Would KP Do” master plan, and this is the perfect outlet for it!
There’s a few reasons why I don’t see us making a major move right now. First of all, Raef’s Expiring Contract will increase in value by the trade deadline (more teams tanking, playoff position is starting to become more clear, etc) and we’ll have a better idea of the actual value of our young talent (at least 40 more games of Webster & Outlaw) to help us decide which player we’ll want to (or have to) depart with.
Secondly, I believe that all bets are off if the Blazers are in playoff position at the trade deadline next season, because KP isn’t going to miss a chance to get all of his young guys some playoff experience nice and early in their careers.
Because of this, I think KP sticks with a majority of the current roster at least until July 1st.
That being said…
The Trail Blazers package the #13 pick and the #33 pick to Orlando for the #22 pick and a 2009 lottery-protected first rounder.
Orlando has been looking to grab a second round pick in this year’s draft (they have none) and with this trade their able to grab a second rounder and move up 9 spots at the cost of a #22 pick and, most likely, a #20-25 pick next year.
With the #22 pick in the NBA draft, the Trail Blazers select Courtney Lee of Western Kentucky University.
He’s a 22 year old Senior that is 6’5” and can play both guard and small forward. Flat out, he’s a shooter in the mold of James Jones that can spread the floor and play some defense. His biggest knock is that he isn’t much of a slasher, but with Roy, Rudy and our Twin Towers down low, we can afford to just let him roam around the perimeter.
With the #36 pick in the NBA Draft, the Portland Trail Blazers select Goran Drajic of Union Olimpija Ljubljana.
Goran is a 6’4” point guard who has shown he can play tough defense against strong competition. He’ll need a season or two to polish his skills overseas (most notably, perimeter shooting and decision making) but he could definitely turn into another big guard that helps the Blazers down the road.
The Portland Trail Blazers send pick #55 to the Cleveland Cavaliers in exchange for a 2009 second rounder and cash.
Cleveland is another team that could use a late second round pick (they have none) to store a long shot talent overseas or add to the bottom half of their depth chart. Because I’m a homer, I would say that Kyle Weaver or Bryce Taylor are both players who could help Lebron James. Otherwise, it’s a European player that will come over right when Lebron makes his leap to the Big Apple…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 20, 2008 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
Just a thought but your trade with Orlando
Wouldnt be lottery protected. Otherwise we would basically be getting hosed. Top3 protected likely, but on the off chance howard gets hurt..we would want that #10 pick or whatever
by RememberRastaMonsta! on Jun 20, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Courtney Lee is a shooter, but so is Rudy....
Courtney Lee is a solid prospect, but I do not see him having a role with Portland. He is not the level of talent that 6’5” Rudy Fernandez is. Plus, Portland already has shooters 6’7” Martell Webster, 6’8” James Jones, 6’11” Channing Frye and 6’3” Steve Blake to rotate through in the shooting roles.
I heard Channing Frye on the radio, he said he has been working extensively on his perimeter shot out to the deep NBA 3-point range. Frye was saying now that they have Oden and Pryzbilla as bangers, he won’t have to be banging in the paint as much as he was forced to last season. In stead, Nate wants Frye to spread defenses by pulling a post defender outside to get burned by Channings deadly shot.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 20, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's my logic...
A lot of my assumptions were using the same logic that Dave explained in his explanation of our status with Channing Frye, Martell Webster and Jarrett Jack…
Basically, after July 1st, I see either Webster or Outlaw, plus Jarrett Jack and Raef’s Expiring Contract being the major portion of a future trade. This leaves us short on shooting, especially if we don’t resign James Jones, and consistency to some extent because Outlaw has only had one good season and there were numerous ups and downs in that season.
If nothing else, Courtney can work into some playing time this season and then with 2 first-rounders next year and a moderate amount of cap space, we can add the necessary players or role-players that will put us over the top. Two draft picks would go a long way in acquiring your James Posey’s and Eddie House types…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 23, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Fearing the Pritch-Slap
Nobody trades with us because they are afraid of the dreaded Pritch-Slap. Therefore, KP is forced to keep the pick, and goes for the “best player available” – a player that will make an immediate impact and therefore be a valuable potential trade component down the road. Given how picks #1-12 are likely to go, I would think it would be Brandon Rush or Mareese Speights. Both could probably hold their own on the court next year (on second unit, limited minutes). Then, KP makes his big move near the all star break, using RLEC and a couple of his tradeable assets to acquire a frontline PG or SF. from a team that is under-performing and looking to dump a star player (like Memphis did this year).
So, my prediction is Speights.
I wouldn't say that teams won't trade with us.... they keep doing it.
Not to mention, if Kevin Pritchard is a real deal maker he will be making teams offers they can’t rufuse. Not in the Godfather type of way, but in the way of knowing what the other GM’s are trying to accomplish and helping them to accomplish it.
One of the moves I think Portland is going to do is use their 2nd Round Picks bundled to move into the 23 to 30 pick range in the first round. I am saying we move into San Antonio’s slot because KP can help them achieve what they need to accomplish this year. If San Antonio gets our 3 2nd rounders and thiers, they could come out with a group of prospects that looks like:
33 Ante Tomic San Antonio C
36 Ryan Anderson San Antonio SF
45 Davon Jefferson San Antonio F
55 DeMarcus Nelson San Antonio SG
57 Mantas Kalnietis San Antonio PG
San Antonio adds the shooter they are coveting in Ryan Anderson, they get foreign center Ante Tomic who has been on NBA radar for years and is insurance policy to last years pick of Tiago Splitter who has yet to come to the NBA. San Antonio get a PG prospect to leave in europe, and youth to fill reserve forward role in versatile Davon Jefferson and a reserve shooting guard DeMarcus Nelson.
I think San Antonio can see how giving up #26 (a JJ Hickson?) for Tomic, Anderson and DeMarcus Nelson. I think they’d do it and thank KP for doing business well. We B-Edgers like to think that KP totally and unfairly works other teams over, but in reality and at the time those deals go down all the teams think they are getting what they want. I don’t think a deal maker like KP will ever lose his ability to talk through a deal with his colleagues while consistently making his team look good for it.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 20, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
wtf, woodduck??
Who in their right mind would select Speights? I mean the guy is a class-A, Fraggle-Rocking homo.
I think we take Ty Lawson.
outing myself
Sorry, I was doing my best idiot flamer (as in chat room flamer) impersonation. I had to ask woodduck who Speights even was. Trying a little too hard to be sarcastic….
Draft and 08-09 Playoff team
Petteri Koponen does well in Vegas and is signed to rookie contract.
Sergio gives up and goes back to Europe.
KP drafts Brandon Rush at 13.
JJ2sees playing time disappear and opts out.
2ND round picks :
#33 Best young euro available.
#36, #55 and 3 mil for Houston’s #25 pick. KP drafts BPA preferably EURO to stash
KP keeps young old guard together.
C-Best combo in NBA GO (All Star,ROY), Pryz, Rlec.
PF- Best combo in NBA. LMA (all star), Frye (1/2 of salary to be picked up by Portland Chamber of Commerce).
SF-Marty (spot up shooter and defender),TO (sixth man of the year),Brandon Rush.
SG-BROY (All Star), Rudy (2nd in ROY voting).
PG—Blake (perfect for getting ball to three All Stars and a spot up 3 shooter).
JJ will be fighting Petteri for minutes
Petteri Koponen PG for the future (tall, pure point guard, can shoot, Nate will teach defense.
Character +Culture = Chemistry
I like it.
Especially for this next year. I remember KP saying a few months ago that he wanted to see what we had before we made any other huge moves. If he can stick to that in the face of all the draft/trade frenzy and hype goin’ around, then I’d say he’s in a league of his own in terms of intestinal fortitude. I like that your scenario allows us to do this (watching and evaluating the strength/chemistry of our players) for at least the first half of the year. It allows us to groom a very promising PG prospect (Koponen). And it doesn’t declare “fire sale” on our bench/role players to make a marginal move up the draft order.
by Montavilla Steve on Jun 20, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
There may be a no brainer trade that comes along, too good to pass up, but barring that, I really think webster needs anothr year – this would be his senior year in college – and I want to see how every one works with Oden and Rudy in the mix.
For example, Frye on courtside side he’s working really hard to develop a three point shot to spread the floor when Oden and LMA are in – he figures his bangin days are over. I don’t know if it’s a great plan, but I’d like to see it unfold.
Agree
It ain’t broke yet, don’t try to fix it.
Here we go
1. We package the 13th pick, along with Martell Webster, to the Clippers for the 7th overall pick and select DJ Augustin (or Westbrook if Augustin isn’t there)
2. We trade the 33rd pick to Cleveland for a 2009 2nd round pick and cash
3. With the 36th pick, we take SG Kyle Weaver of Washington State
4. With the 55th pick, we take C Peja Samaradziski of Macedonia
Raja Bell
No way the Blazers trade for Barbosa. He has never shown he has the tools to lead a teamas a point gaurd. He can score and that’s about it. The player we could really use from the Suns is Bell. A proven lock down defender, hits the open jump shot and is physical and has a mean streak. We’ve got our stars already now we need substance and Bell takes no BS of anyone. Trade Martel and 13 for him and the Blazers with Oden and Bell will be the West best defensive team!
Way Out
Portland trades its three seconds to Orlando for the #22, then Paul Allen agrees to purchase a first rounder somewhere between #14 and #27 for about 3million. Then we package our original #13, the #22, the #?, JJ, and Martell Webster for the #1 selection in the draft where we will select Derrick Rose
Way Out
If the team holding the #1 pick before the trade would like to have the three second round selections instead of the #22 pick that could be arranged.
I may as well throw my ill informed hat in the ring
I think the Blazers trade #13, #33, Outlaw and Jack to Detroit for Prince and cash (to make the salaries work, I think. I’m no Tom Penn so I have no idea what it takes to make the salaries work). We use the other 2nd round picks in trades for future picks. So, we draft NO ONE. We sign Kopenen to replace Jack.
Darrell Arthur - crazy pick you say? Why do we need another PF?
We don’t….
—Who you think the Blazers will pick and why.
Darrell Arthur, because that’s who Charlotte our trade partner will want.
—Where that pick will occur in the draft order.
#13
I should just stop there right, and I win?
OK – I supposed I should say how and why we are trading with Charlotte. But’s that the tougher part. The Bobcats are the only team in the second half of the lotto that has an established starter at PG, and will be looking for a backup. MIL has Williams, Session and NJN have Harris, Williams. We could trade Jack to CHA and not have to accept any players back, because they are under the cap. Because that’s the simplest scenario put me on the record for that one.
I’m hoping the the promise Westbrook has is to be drafted by Charlotte, because they will swap picks with Portland and get their backup PG and a PF to play alongside Okafor. That way, Charlotte can fills two holes instead of one by keeping the PG for themselves. If Westbrook is not available, the Blazers will take Augustin. It could get more complicated, here’s my stretch projection, which I believe works but would have to be completed in July:
08/9 Salaries
POR:
Outgoing: LaFrentz, Outlaw, Jack ($18.7M), #13, #33, #36
Incoming: Prince, Harrington (waived) ($12.1M), #9
DET:
Outgoing: R. Wallace, Prince ($27.6M), #29
Incoming: G. Wallace, Outlaw, LaFrentz ($32.4M), #33, #36
CHA:
Outgoing: G. Wallace, Harrington ($12.1M), #9
Incoming: R. Wallace, J. Jack ($14.5), #13, #29
by Mad Matt the Road Warrior on Jun 20, 2008 5:01 PM PDT reply actions
Portland Trades 13 to move DOWN to get.....
Serge Ibaka
Stash him in Europe for a few years and see what happens. You avoid having to pay him for a while and you get more chips to trade with, maybe even a serviceable player right now. If you throw in one of our players, you could even get a decent 3-5 vet- which is what everybody is talking about acquiring.
OJ Mayo & Brandon Rush to the Blazers
Portland trades the 13th pick and Joel Przybilla and Jarrett Jack and Travis Outlaw to the Timberwolves for 3rd Pick Antoine Walker and Mark Madsen….. The Blazers Pick OJ Mayo
They then trade Their 3 second round picks to The Raptors for the 17th Pick in the first round … The Blazers then take Brandon Rush
Blazers Team for 2008-2009 Season
Starters
PG OJ Mayo
SG Brandon Roy
SF Martell Webster
PF LaMarcus Webster
C Greg Oden
Bench
PG Steve Blake
SG Rudy Fernandez
SF Brandon Rush
PF Antoine Walker
C Channing Frye
by Blazer Fan in Virginia on Jun 20, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions
Fyre will never be an adequate center
not even on the second unit. He’s a mobile good shooting big. A nice piece, but that’s what he is.
Portland Acquires Pick #7, makes 3 moce
I have Portland shooting for Los Angeles Clippers Pick #7 so KP can trade up to get DJ Augustin or Eric Gordon, which KP favors DJ Augustin. In order to do that, KP also has to trade into the first round with San Antonio, then package that pick (#26) with our pick #7 and Jarrett Jack… but we have to take back Brevin Knight, uugh. Anyway, here are the moves that I think is likely to happen for the Blazers in this draft:
Move 1: San Antonio trades Pick #26 (forward JJ Hickson) to Portland for Pick #33 (center Ante Tomic), Pick #36 (forward Ryan Anderson), and Pick #55 (guard George Hill).
Move 2: Portland trades Pick #13 (guard Brandon Rush), Pick #26 (forward JJ Hickson) and guard Jarrett Jack to the Los Angeles Clippers for Pick #7 (guard DJ Augustin) and guard Brevin Knight.
Mark it Dude.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 20, 2008 6:02 PM PDT reply actions
Portland moves up to #3, take Jerryd Bayless
Blazers decide to package the #13 (DeAndre Jordan), the #33 (Bill Walker), the #36(Davon Jefferson), the #55 (Malik Hairston), and Travis Outlaw to the T-Wolves for the #3 (Jerryd Bayless) and cap fillers. The T-Wolves then go into a flurry of trades with their new plethora of second round players.
Blazers Trade Away: #13, #33, #36, #55, and Travis Outlaw
Blazers Receive: #3 (Jerryd Bayless) and cap fillers (Antoine Walker)
KP's moves...
1. Portland trades Jack, the #33 pick, and the #55 pick for Linas Kleiza.
2. Portland trades Webster, Frye, Sergio, McRoberts, the #13 pick (drafting for Washington), our 2009 first round pick for Caron Butler.
Denver needs a combo guard to play with Iverson and eventually take the starting spot once Iverson is too old. The get two second round picks as well. Washington, with Gilbert Arenas leaving is looking to rebuild with young talent and draft picks.
Portlands roster:
Starters: Blake, Roy, Butler, Aldridge and Oden
Bench: Rudy, Kleiza, Jones, Outlaw, Przybilla
Spot minutes: Koponen, Raef
This would be my dream draft day. The starters would be amazing and that second unit could match up with most teams starting fives.
Jack and Kleiza back for each other?
...If Denver didn’t want Jack after drafting him, why would they take him back now that he’s proven he’s not going anywhere? For two second-round picks? I doubt this very much.
Wherever you go, there you are.
You all know what I WANT to happen:
We trade all four picks for two future first-rounders, ideally one each in the 2010 and 2011 drafts.
But as for a prediction what the Blazers WILL do . . . ? I don’t think that’s it. There’s been np talk on that front.
I mean, why are we even bothering to work out so many players destined for the top 9 or so?!?
The only caveat to that opinion is, Pritchard very frequently does something that nobody was talking about;
last year it was the Zach/Franchise deal, the year before, it was getting a top-2 pick WITHOUT trading up from #6.
So if Pritchard were to bank the picks, well, it would be just like him to do that without advance rumor.
Still, if it happens as a surprise, let it be a surprise to me, too: My preferred action will not be executed.
Here are some other things that I believe will not happen:
- We trade down (have our highest pick be lower than 13).
- We trade REC (maybe that gets moved near the trade deadline, there’s a very low chance of a trade
involving the REC this offseason but after the draft, and there’s a great chance
we just let it expire and pocket the cap space this time next year).
- We move up into the top two (those are just not available).
Well, that leaves three possible things:
1) We move up into the 3-10 range, trading at least one role player and picking somebody targeted,
rather than taking a certain draft position and waiting to see who’s gone and picking the BPA;
2) Holding and picking at 13;
3) Trading the pick and one or more role players fort a vet.
Of those, one of the two that smells unlikely to me is #2 (holding the pick), just because it means
Pritchard does nothing except scout the prospects and pick the best one available, no trading.
That’s just not like him.
The other one that doesn’t feel right is #3, if only because we can get such a better player in a trade
involving the REC; if we add an existing NBA player, we’ll do it with BIG money,
either as a trade-deadline deal with the REC or as a 2009 signing using the cap space the expiring REC gives us.
So that leaves a move up in the draft, which is what a lot of people are betting on, too;
the only details of debate are, who do we trade with (for what higher slot), what Blazer(s) are also in the package,
and who do we pick, in particular as THE player that Pritchard targets?
Since it’s a targeted player, we work backwards: Start with the target, predict who we deal with to pick him,
and then decide what Blazer rounds out the package (the demands of the team we trade with will shape this).
Answers: Westbrook or Augustin, which dictates roughly a 4-7 range pick no matter which of the two it is;
as dictated by that range, I’ll say the team is . . . Memphis.
But this is where it gets tricky, because they’re the one team that REALLY can’t use JJ.
The Blazer needed to round out THAT deal has to be a frontcourter, and one that fits around Marc Gasol
better than any big man they could get at #5 (which I think is Brook Lopez; I see Mayo/Love going 3/4,
without knowing which goes where) OR a big they could get by trading up themselves, especially with Miami.
In other words, they’re gonna want Trout, and settle for no less than Frye (and probably not even settle for THAT).
You know what? Trout’s not available, and Memphis would insist on him. Deal-breaker. It does not get done.
So that leaves the best chance with Seattle. THEY, luckily, CAN use JJ.
But JJ alone won’t be enough. And Trout’s not available.
In this whole sequence, Trout’s value TO US becomes obvious, and Martell looks suddenly disposable.
So it’s JJ, MarWeb, and the #13 pick to Seattle for the #4 pick . . . and there’s gotta be more, just for matching.
Seattle throws in . . . what? WHAT?!? I don’t know! (Can we get Green now? I wanted him last year . . . )
We throw in our #1 next year to get Green in the deal, and Seattle bites.
Next year’s first-rounder, this year’s #13,JJ and MarWeb to Seattle for Jeff Green and the #4 pick for Westbrook.
[phew!]
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
I was thinking Memphis would be our target to trade but....
Jarrett Jack doesn’t fit with them because they have too many guards already, so that is why I went to the team in that range that could use Jarrett Jack the most…. Los Angeles Clippers at #7.
I am not too certain that Seattle would take Jack and Webster because Jack isn’t an upgrade at their point, it just makes them more murky. And with Green the starting SF and franchise player Kevin Durant at SG, there is no room in the starting lineup for Martell. Green vs. Martell isn’t neccessirly an upgrade. So Seattle misses on upgrading at point guard with a guy like Bayless to gain a #13 pick and next years 25th pick or something. Plus, Seattle has all those FOUR second round picks that they can use to move around. I think Portland and Seattle are both in the same boat, they have more chips to play with so they can manuever to get the players they want. I bet Seattle grabs Beasley by trading to the #2 pick with MIami.
by Portland Dynasty on Jun 20, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I kinda like the Clippers thing, but I have one reservation.
As I said, if we move up, it’s because Pritchard is targeting a player.
Thus, he’ll trade for a pick that ABSOLUTELY will get that player, not a pick
that PROBABLY will get that player, but might not, in which case there’s still someone great left.
And I think the Clips’ #7 pick falls in the latter category; I could see the Knicks taking Westbrook, easily.
In that case, we’d still have a great point guard or combo guard left; in that top 6 above the #7,
Westbrook going would join Rose, Beasley, and at least one of the Love-Lopez bigs,
leaving just two picks going to players in the Bayless/Mayo/Augustin crowd, so one of those three
would still be on the board for us, and I’d bet it’s Augustin.
But I don’t think Pritchard takes that risk, the “We MIGHT miss Westbrook at 7, but if so, Augustin would be there” thing.
He’d trade for a pick that ABSOLUTELY GETS Westbrook. which means higher than 7.
But he might roll the dice (especially if nobody from Minnesota/Seattle/Memphis will do a deal with us),
and do what you said, and we probably do get Westbrook.
But certain-rather-than-probable seems like a Pritchard trait to me.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
Oh - and one related thing, too:
The Clippers would best want a point guard (good for our trade-JJ scenarios).
If the #7 pick is one that lines up with a good floor general (Westbrook, Augustin, whatever),
then it becomes a pick the Clippers would want to keep.
If they’re willing to trade the pick, I’d believe it wouldn’t get Westbrook, just from the Clips being willing to let it go.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
I just can’t see any way that Westbrook goes in the top six. I mean, I know he’s getting a lot of run in the press, shooting up on all these mock draft boards, but it just feels like too much hype.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 22, 2008 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
All KP magic trades turned down
So Blazers use #13 to take Kosta Koufos who would have been a top 5 pick next year.
Hard to have too many 7 footers who can shoot and are athletic and can play both PF and C. With the history of injuries of our big buys we need a very good backup. He can develop on the bench and if not needed in 3 years will be great trade value.
Way Out
I was looking at the package I was going to offer for the #1 pick and I would offer that for the #2 pick as well. I think Beasley would be a good addition to the team and Miami needs a lot of help and the package of #13, #20, #22, Martell Webster and JJ would provide them with a lot of flexibility. This might be doable and I think Beasley can play the small forward.
Not so way out
On another note if Portland trades #13, Martell Webster, and another player to the Phoenix Suns for Barbosa, then Portland should keep the #20 and #22 and draft or use both to trade up to maybe #17. Of course this is premised on the fact that they have initially acquired the #20 pick.
I love to review all of the opinions where there are 131 comments and I don’t think any are the same.
I have read with interest
all of the above and only Ralphzillo (sorry if I missed anyone) has an important take on this draft: There are only a few players even worthy of being a starter for us in the future using the pace adjusted win shares analysis. For more on this see this article.
My take is that KP decides how much he loves Love. If he wants him he moves what he needs to get him (likely #5 with Memphis who would be thrilled to have Outlaw and might give up a point guard in return) If Love is not the answer to our needs A trade down to pick up 1 or 2 players in the bottom half ot the first round and/or a first round pick in the future might be the result.
I also predict that only Chalmers is a candidate for PG for Portland in this year’s draft.
Finally there are two players at the bottom half or the 2nd round from KU (and no, I don’t think they get preference from KP by being Jayhawks ) namely Kaun and Jackson. Both players are good role players who can score and play defense. neither player would ever be a culture problem. They work hard, and have good solid fundamentals and good skill levels. So I can see KP getting one of them to at least compete in training camp. If we do not get a big earlier we might just take one here.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
have no Idiea
I think KP will just in general have a more difficult time pulling off trades as gms will second guess there part in any dealings with the league and pundit recognized,Mr. Pritchard Esquire Slapp, for the simple fear of failure. I’m sure he will aproach the right gm(s) with the proper measure of humility to pull something off, and regardless of what he does, his efforts will be regarded with enthusiasm and awe. He’s erned it. This guy has nailed it with autistic accuracy, to such a degree, that nomatter what he does, he will be reviered, at least for a couple of years anyway.
If Kevin wants carmelo, then I want carmello, if Kevin wants Tj, then I want Tj, infact I would follow this guy anywhere.
Now has anyone seen that web site where the guy trades a red paporclip through a series of barters for an effin house? I think that guy is a distant relative of Mr. P’s, and maybee was the inspiration of a dream I just had. I was going to cleen my house and workout, but somehow manefested this strange and convienient headache, so I took a nap. My phone rang and i woke up, you know the kind were you actually remember what you were dreaming about. It usually fades pretty quickly, but I still remember the important part. That Pritchard, through a series of barters and trades with multiple teems, in unpecidented fasion, pulled off the draft day move, that would nessessitate league wide rule changes (named in KP’s honer), to protect other gms from being so viciously taken advantage of, and acuired the number one overall pick in the draft, for 2 second rounders and von wafer.
"In KP we trust" every Blazer fan ever
Draft Night Deals
K.P. Trades J.Jack & Pick #13 and one second round pick to the L.A. Clippers for pick #7 and with the 7th Pick The Portland Trail Blazers pick Russell Westbrook. And then K.P. trades the remaining two secound rd. pick and sergio for a late 1st rd pick between 22 and 27 and with the pick the Blazers pick either Roy hibbert or Serge Ibaka and they also sign Petteri Koponen to a contract and let him spend some time in the D league.
Sergio
He is worth more than to be package with second rounds for a late 1st. Have Patients…
There is just no way Sergio is leaving for that little, thats just crazy talk!
Joel Freeland=Stud
Late 1st rd
Portland will get a late first rd. pick Maybe they don,t throw sergio in but they will get one. and I think giving the #13 pick and the #36 pick is too much just to move up three spots in the draft. just my opinon, so you have yours and I have mine. I also don,t think K.P. will keep all the second round picks. We have no room on the roster, lets just say he did pick the second rounders then what, wave them at the start of training camp because no roster space that would be wasted picks.
by billyjoejack on Jun 21, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Karnac Sez
In this draft, the Blazers will not make any 1st round draft picks that will make their 2008/2009 14 man roster.
Checking in
Lessee, we have the first pick from the 2007 draft coming in. A draft pick (2007) that most would consider a top 10 pick this year coming in. A very promising point guard from last years draft (first round) chomping at the bit to show his worth in summer league. Follow me so far?
KP, in his infinate wisdom, knows he holds the cards to some other peoples dreams.
My Guesses…he will hold each of his picks dear, to be used as trade fodder or future upgrades in the draft. He will pick # 13 for a team that will have something valuable to offer further down the line.
He will stand pat with the line up he has up to the trade deadline and then rock the NBA world with his mid-season manuverings.
So it has been written, so it shall be.
I like your reasoning...
...and your hypothesis comes closest to my own.
Knowing the 13th pick is probably the highest natural pick the Blazers will have for some time, KP will use it to pick for another team in exchange for a likely high future pick. With our current roster, we don’t need any blockbuster moves at this time. Pritchard will soon be seen as Pharoah, with his granaries full in a time of drought…
Good one
But KP would be Joseph and not Pharaoh (Paul Allen) wouldn’t he?
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
KP IS A DRAFT DAY WHEELER-DEALER...
.................. He’s not gonna draft just to trade it away for another team’s future pick. Zero percent chance.
He’s gonna move up chasing a PG, I’m pretty sure.
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
No Perfect Deal
As fans, we tend to over-value our own players while undervaluing the other guys. The toughest job KP has this year is to find some combination that involves not only players, but like last year, will almost certainly involve taking back contracts to help another team solve their salary issues. Even then, there are no guarantees that he can get high enough to get some of the players mentioned. We have some chips, but I’m not certain that they are that exciting to other teams. Jack, Webster or Sergio may look good to us, but the may look like role players to others – and giving up a pick for a possible starter for role players doesn’t always work. Other teams, after all, also have tradeable assets and are talking. SD, for example, is rumored to be willing to talk about trading any player on their roster – whereas we’d never consider trading any player on our roster. The dilemma in this draft, further, is that we’re more interested in guards and SF’s, rather than PF’s and Centers, and its the guards and SF’s that seem to be dominating the first 12 picks, whereas the others are getting pushed up the ladder into our territory – and we don’t really need them. The one player some talk about that may be available at 13, Brandon Rush, is only available because of the ACL injury, and the fact that he’s not quite 100%. Without it, he’d been a top 10 pick last year. But, it’s also something of a gamble to take someone with a history like that.
The other issue is that we’re never going to be able to get the “do all everything” point guard, and we need to stop thinking that way. That kind of guard would cost us a Roy, or an Aldridge, at a minimum. Further, cap space aside, they almost never change hands. Granted, you have Nash and Iverson, as an example, but those are rare and expensive deals – and entirely unpredictable.
KP has to play the cards he has, not the ones we wish he had. In this context, it’s nice to have preferences such as Westbrook vs. Augustin, but the bottom line is that if a team has targeted Westbrook, as they have, I’m not sure we can offer them what it would take to get him. After all, a solid starter is a lot more valuable than role players – and we’re not giving up any talent that we can guarantee will be a starter. The only other possibilities moving up are Gordon (maybe) and Augustin. Gordon, however, is much more of an SF than a PG, and Augustin is smaller than some like.Gordon is strong and can be a good defender and shooter, but Augustin is a superior playmaker and passer, and an equally good shooter – but defense is an issue. However, if Augustin were 6’1” or so, he’d probably be a top 5-7 pick.
However, since we are “never” going to get the ideal PG, we will have to accept someone who is imperfect in some ways, and then do what teams always do, which is compensate for their weaknesses in the context of the team.
In the end, if KP can’t move up, I can’t imagine him holding the 13 and drafting one more project PF/Center rookie as some talk about with McGee. Unless its to develop and trade him.
If it comes down to not getting the guard or SF we want because we can’t pull the trigger on a deal, I’m a believer that KP will simply use the entire draft to set up the Salary Cap next summer and then trade the chips he gets this year – however and whatever he gets – to get a vet next year.
The trade rumor that has me the most intrigued is...
Outlaw + #13 to Minnesota for the #3. That would net us Mayo, and if Miami wanted to play ball, we would have a choice between Mayo and Beasley. I think you would have to figure out a way to get Beasley in that situation and I think KP gets it done. Trading to get #3 could even get us to the promise land by trading #2 + additional considerations for Derrick Rose.
I really do think, though, that KP is working on getting the #3. From there he has the flexibility to go wherever he wants – Pritch-slapping the whole way there. I could see KP trading up to trade and fleece folks on his way down.
Three players I’d like to see in a Blazers draft day bonanza? OJ Mayo + Chris Douglas Roberts and a stashed-overseas Nicholas Batum, who I still think has a lot of upside (after a flurry of trades involving 2nd round picks and cash considerations).
I would be equally happy with Michael Beasley after trading for #3 (with Outlaw or Webster + #13) and then trade Mayo/#3 to Miami with some combination of Jack, Frye and McBob. For the rest of the picks KP goes with a flurry of 2nd rounder, future picks, end-of-benchers and cash trades to get CDR and some second rounders like Serge Ibaka and/or Nathan Jawai. I think it would be good to have some stashed big men ready to take over for Joel and RLEC when the time comes.
In all honesty the move I see Portland making is some sort of trade with Minnesota to get into the #3 spot involving either Webster or Outlaw but not both. From there here are some of the lineups possible:
(@= could be involved in trades)
PG: Mayo/Blake/Sergio
SG: Roy/Fernandez/Webster@
SF: Webster@/Outlaw@/Batum
PF: LMA/Frye@/CDR
C: Oden/Pryz/RLEC@
or
PG: Roy/Blake/Sergio
SG: Webster/Fernandez/JJ33@
SF: Beasley/Webster/Fernandez/JJ33@
PF: LMA/Frye@/CDR
C: Oden/Pryz/RLEC@
Either of those line ups just looks devastating even if you take out the @ players. I love Outlaw and Webster but the biggest, best back court in history would be 6’5” Mayo + 6’6” Roy = HUGE back court or the most dominating front line ever from 3 to 5 would be Beasley, LMA and Oden. Either of those setups would have me drooling and thinking deep playoffs next year.
KP gets it; KP gets it done. I can’t foresee his moves afterwards, but I say KP targets #3 and gets it done if humanly possible.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Between Trout and MarWeb, one's a keeper.
Your deal tags MarWeb as the keeper (fair enough).
For those of us who see Trout as more of a keeper, I suppose the deal works just as well
if it’s MarWeb that goes – MarWeb + #13 for the #3 pick, to be used on Mayo.
Yeah, I can see that.
Intriguing.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
I like where you're going with this....
#3 plus Trout gets us to #2. If Miami wants Mayo, then why wouldn’t they do this?
#2 plus RLEC gets us to #1.
Never gonna happen, but sure is fun thinking about.
MY FINAL PREDICTION
Portland completes 2 big trades:
1. Portland sends #13 (DeAndre Jordan), Channing Frye, and Travis Outlaw to the Minnesota Timberwolves for #3 (Jerryd BAyless) and Antoine Walker
2. Portland trades #33 (Nikola Pekovic), #36 (Sonny Weems), and Jarrett Jack to the Denver Nuggets for #20 (Nicholas Batum)
I'm willing to bet 1000 to 1 odds that Outlaw is not traded. Period.
I know how KP operates, and he is not trading Outlaw. Not for anything, at least this year. Yes, he would tell you that if the right offer came along he would pull the trigger, but let me say this. KP’s value of Outlaw will always be more than ANYONE else’s value of Outlaw, so essentially no deal will be done for Outlaw this year. End of story.
If I had to guess, I’d say we swap picks with New Jersey, essentially moving us up 3 slots. We then take Westbrook or Alexander with the pick. New Jersey will get cash, our second rounders, or maybe even a player swap that benefits them.
So yeah, we pick @ 10 and get Alexander or Westbrook.
Hope you were takin’ notes, cuz’ that’s how it’s goin’ down.
"Beards--they grow on you"
why
Why would we draft Alexander if we have both Outlaw and Webster. There already is a logjam with Oden coming back especially if James jJones returns. Remember, Rudy plays there too.
by inallthetime on Jun 21, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
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"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
by timbo on Jun 21, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best Timbo post ever!
And mark me down for one of the same (Idog1976 waves a $1 bill). If KP drafts Alexander I’m going to start being worried… It’s a PG, or a SG companion for Roy at PG. The only other I can see is KP going for Beasley at #2 trading Outlaw and/or Martell for the #3 and then #2. If it’s not Beasley that is our top target it’s a guard guaranteed.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Alright, you guys can owe me a buck each
when you see that Travis doesn’t get traded. I’ll take a [root] beer next time you see me in exchange for the buck.
"Beards--they grow on you"
You survive this time...
............................. I may be a dollar/rootbeer poorer but I’m not totally ignorant, I called an over/under of draft day trades for KP of 4 on the Pop Punk Message Board. Right on the mark!
I understand the first one, the Jack + 13 deal, but the rest of them seem to be more of the “trading sideways just to make trades” variety.
Maybe somebody will explain to me how brilliant this night was in the Oregonian tomorrow… Traded Big Turkish Man for 3 second round picks? Traded middle 2nd round pick to Clips for future 2nd round pick?
Whatever…
t
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08
The problem with many of these predictions
is that the known proclivities of KP and Coach Nate, and the stated goals from them, are stepped on by the prediction. Here are five laws of player acquisition I believe will be followed:
1. Defense is important. A player that does not defend well must be an LBJ on offense to be tolerated. This is as much demonstrated intelligence and effort as skill.
2. Culture is important. The player must fit in and keep a clean record. In this regard we are not likely to add a player that wants this to be his team.
3. Age is important. Age 23-28 is ideal and younger only if proven. Older may be past prime when we are at the top but some low-cost veterans may help train the younger guys. .
4. We are not looking to develop a point guard. We have two in development already. There is a substantial lead time in point guard development and we do not know if Sergio and Peteri are already our long-term answer. In addition the new point guard has to be a substantial improvement over Blake and Jack.
5. We look for value with any acquisition – is the cost worth the benefit and does it help our team. We are not going to pay luxury tax for a JAG (just a guy).
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
Mmmk.
I see so many people trading up to select Bayless, Love, Mayo, Beasley, etc. with a high lottery pick. The problem I see is that I don’t think Pritchard will select someone that didn’t work out for him.
From past history, we know Pritchard targets a player and does what needs to be done to get that player. The three players that are thought to have impressed are Joe Alexander, Russell Westbrook, and DJ Augustin.
KP goes on the warpath to get his guy, who I believe to be Augustin. He is a great kid and a great passing and shooting PG, as well as a more ready PG than Westbrook, which Nate will like, and a better fit than Alexander, who plays a position we have too many players at already.
1) He buys a late first round pick, like New Orleans at 26, or somewhere in that general vicinity.
2) He packages our three second rounders into a mid-late first round pick, somewhere around 17-24.
3) He packages our three first round picks to trade up to the Clipper’s spot at #7. They need players as they have very few signed for next year.
4) KP ends the day by selecting DJ Augustin.
The reason I believe it is Augustin is simple. Pritchard always talks about finding a guy with "it." Augustin survived Katrina… he is mentally tough and a really hard worker. I think KP took a shine to him.
Now watch draft day happen and my predictions be completely wrong. It was worth a shot. If Augustin is the pick and Pritchard trades up to get him, watch out. He has a great eye for guys with that special “it,” like Brandon, and if DJ is that guy in this draft, who happens to play at the only position we really need a player at… Blazers are going to be very good for a long time.
by bleedingblackandred on Jun 22, 2008 7:48 AM PDT reply actions
Did LMA
work out for Portland? How about Roy? I honestly don’t know. But if the answer is no to either of those I think History proves otherwise.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Yeah
I’m almost positive that they both did… We had the fourth pick, and Morrison, Bargnani, Thomas, Aldridge, and Roy, among others, were rumored to be in the top five. I know we worked Morrison and Roy out together, pretty sure about Aldridge as well.
by bleedingblackandred on Jun 22, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
They did... and here are the draft videos
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/draftcentral08.html#id=album-272&num=1
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/draftcentral08.html#id=album-273&num=1
by Salem Stephen on Jun 22, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry the links are bad
Their videos are on the last page along with Oden’s
by Salem Stephen on Jun 22, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
DJ for nothing and your picks for free
That really sounds like a KP plot. A little SPAM and the #13 pick gets the next Chris Paul. I would love to see it happen like that.
"I woke up this morning, Barbosa and eggs in my bed." --BlueBooYay
Revise 2nd round pick
Need to keep a high 2nd round pick for
RICHARD HENDRIX
need to add MUSCLE at PF
He may be the steal of the draft for us.
If we want to add muscle
we should also consider Joey Dorsey
Whats your ring size? 2010
by Gregory Roy Aldridge on Jun 22, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Like your thinking.
I like your thinking. However, KP can be pretty devious. Augustin, Westbrook, Alexander, Donte Greene and Rush were always predicted to be within range – so no one raised an eyebrow when we worked them out. However, that doesn’t mean that KP wasn’t thinking about the next tier up, such as Bayless, Mayo, Gordon, or Gallinari. By not bringing them in, no one would think that KP was going to make a run at any of them. I happen to agree with most that think we’re likely to move up to th 8-10 slots and grab Augustin, but KP may surprise us all. He’s done deals with both Minnesota and New York in the Past, and both have a lot of holes to fill – and this draft will only add one. Further, McHale is on record as having said he wants young players for his pick, not vets. Maybe its not such a stretch to think that KP might work his way higher than we think.
Whatever he does at the top of the draft, I’m a firm believer that he’ll do the same thing he did previously lower down, which is package the #2’s, possibly buy a #1, and package those to grab someone he can leave overseas to develop. After all, last year he took a #25 who this year would move up another 10-15 picks, as well as a 30 that would also likely move up 10 picks or so. That’s a good way to get future draft chips. If he grabbed someone like an Ibaka or Batum or whoever this year around 20, they could very well be valued in the 10 range next year – and that, in combo with our cap space, could get another player.
Hmm
Now I’m starting to think maybe we can get it done with Frye and Outlaw for the #3 maybe exchange Jor-el for Frye. Joel is a little old but he is a Minnesotan and would allow Jefferson to move back to PF which would be devastating for many west coast powers and would certainly shore up the front line in Minnie. Joel could defend the other teams best big man which would reduce Jefferson’s main liability Defense.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Augustine
gone at 6 to the knicks.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
unless...
of course we take the 6th pick and then move up to Rose.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Why Blazers will be Traded This Year
Go read this blog if you haven’t already. Most of us don’t clearly understand the rules of the road when it comes to cap space and resigning Webster, Frye and Jack. If you read it, you’ll see why the Blazers don’t have the luxury of standing pat with these players and waiting a year. They have to make the decisions this summer. Frankly, I didn’t appreciate this and it explains why KP has been so active on the trade front this year. Unless we can be certain today that these players will play the 1-5 spots, then if we want value in a trade and cap space next summer – KP has to deal with it now.
My prediction
and it’s soooo simple!!!
We trade for rose.
We find a way to move up to #3 to make it happen. #3 is then the incentive, plus other parts, for Rose. Chicago picks up Beasley because miami drafted mayo and they need that post presence. As a matter of fact, let’s juggle the top three teams in the draft and the blazers plus one other team to make it all happen.
We give away Jack, Webster, McRoberts, sergio, the finland kid, and possible RLEC.
We’ll get some spare parts that we’ll be dumping ala francis. If possible we also take a swing at Alexander.
Oh, and DJ won’t be there after 6. Knicks take him. He fits with the new system and a little afro takes care of the height issues of people seeing over him and his wing span takes care of the rest.
It’s out there, but I asked myself “who would we really want?” and it came down to Augustine and Rose. It’s possible we’d go for Calderon somehow, as he’d be a fit too, but I think Rose is more likely.
This takes care of the cap issue for next year as we only keep Frye and we resign him. SF is a little weak but I suspect one of our parts will be a SF and JJ33 can hold it up if he’s healthy.
I lose my finland kid, but for Rose, I can live.
You heard it here first folks.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
You want more details?
Yeah… I don’t do details. KP will and Sean will figure out how to make it work. I’m more of a big picture guy.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
I didn't find another Rose prediction, but just to be safe
I assume duplicate predictions will go to the one that is close.
As the rumors have begun fleshing out here’s what I think:
Portland to NY
We get Lee, Stephen and possibly other pieces plus #6
We give up Jack, #13, #27, and possibly other pieces
Portland to Chicago
We get rose other pieces and possible future first rounders.
We give them Webster, Frye, or Outlaw, Lee, Sergio and possible other parts.
We end up with:
Rose
Alexander
Another first round pick that we snag by doing some 2nd round pick combination and trading up plus cash.
We draft one player in the second round.
We draft a euro to stash with the last first round (or… actually… a better move would be to pick a high second round because it wouldn’t be guaranteed and if he’s good we can pay him what he’s worth).
Second option/Plan B is we do the harris deal. I don’t think that statement is Jersey worthy unless KP spills the beans and admits I’m right and that Harris is plan B, and then I expect a Jersey AND ice cream!!!
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
oh yeah
should go without saying that we waive marburry.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
Some Experience with Rings
This is fun!
Raef, Jack, #13 (Koufos), pick #33 to the Spurs for Tony Parker.
26 from the Spurs, pick #36 and Webster to Detroit for PrinceSome other considerations to make it work for the $.
2008-09 lineup
SF – Prince/Outlaw
SG – Roy/Rudy
PG – Paker/Blake/PK
PF – LMA/Frye
C – GO/Pryz
Sergio gone before camp, McBob is a practice dummy
Predictions, predictions....
I think you’ll see KP drop the #13 and Webster or Frye to NJ for harris. Seems reasonable for both sides, and frees up at least one of those monster restricted contracts next year.
Prediction
KP trades #13, #27 to New Jersey Nets for the #10.
KP drafts DJ Augustine at #10. Trades away two of 2nd rounders for future 2nd round picks and drafts Batum with #33.
Official prediction
Blazers trade 13 and Jarret Jack to Indiana in order to draft Jarred Bayless.
We then trade 27 and a 2nd rounder to get Batum.
;)
Dinner with Dave!
Perfectly done!
Sheer genius!!!
My new hero!!!!!!!!
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(there wasn’t a deadline on predictions, was there?)
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

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