Tayshaun Prince

by Zaron5551 on Jun 14, 2008 1:59 PM PDT Comment 73 comments

This is a little piece that i am copying and pasting here from clubblazers.com.

Here's what is says:

On Brian Wheeler’s show tonight on 95.5FM, The Game, he mentioned he has a hunch that Kevin Pritchard is rumored to be looking for a big move on draft day and he has a hunch that it may not be Kevin moving up, but out of the draft.

One player that Brian hears that keep’s popping up in the rumors going around the NBA is Portland has Tayshaun Prince high on their list of young veteran players they are seriously looking at in acquiring on draft day.

Tayshaun Prince
Age 28, 6′9″, 215 lbs.
Talented all-around player - Good shooting skills - Can drive to the basket or shoot the outside shot - Excellent defender, voted NBA all-defensive 2nd team 3 years in ‘04-’05, ‘05-’06 & ‘07-’08

What will it cost the Blazers?

Rumored price at #13, Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster and Jarrett Jack

for Tayshaun Prince & #29

I think this is an interesting idea and would probably do it if I could.

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Would you pull the trigger on the suggested trade for Tayshaun Prince

Yes

59 votes

#25 or NO!

93 votes

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Eh

I’d want to keep either Travis or Martell and give them Frye instead.

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by Dheepan on Jun 14, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

that was one idea suggested at clubblazers.com

another was that maybe detroit throws in maxiell

Leaving this blank 'til I think of something funny

by Zaron5551 on Jun 14, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yikes

Just like the people offering up Stuckey here, I don’t see how Dumars would depart with his best young players unless the other team is eating a horrible contract or player. Obviously Prince isn’t either of those, so Dumars has no reason to sweeten the pot.

The Blazers would be the ones sweetening the pot, more than just Frye and Webster and Jack and the #13. Even adding Trout might not be enough. Prince is GOOD; adding Maxiell would truly be a Pritch-slap to the Nth degree and would be Dumars biggest blunder since Darko (since he hasn’t really had a blunder aside from Darko, it becomes his second biggest by default).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I still don’t understand the Darko pick.

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"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."

by Dheepan on Jun 14, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me neither

I wasn’t following the NBA or the draft as closely as I am now back then, so I can’t say what the public opinion of Darko was then and why Dumars was suckered into taking him. With how many FOR SURE good players were coming out of college and HS that year, it’s just… strange.

Darko can still be a decent player, and he frustrates me sometimes when I see him because he’s really big, good movement for his size, and sometimes he looks like a real NBA player who can average a double double easily enough. Then he’ll look so awkward and stiff… I dunno. He’s still young, but ‘still young’ isn’t gonna last much longer. He isn’t a Kwame Sized bust by any means, but #2 in the 2003 draft… man.

Bosh, Melo, Wade, who else? If I look it up it’ll just look worse for Dumars. I don’t see how the unknown Darko was seen as a better pick, but like I said I wasn’t really around back then. He hasn’t really made ANY other mistakes, but it’s a good thing his team is always good and he hasn’t messed up otherwise because that is an EPIC blunder.

Kwame in 2000 is worst #1 pick ever, BUT… everyone sucked that draft. 2003 is a NBA face changing, best-since-1984-generational shift draft. That’s bad. I wish I knew the answer. Lucky for the rest of the East, Dumars mucked up the chance to make his team the potential Dyntasty it coulda been (I mean, imagine that team with Chris Bosh or Melo on it—who in the East could stop them?)

Dumars has also made up for it a little by amazing drafting with his higher picks. Amir Johnson, Stuckey, Maxiell; Dumars has been great at those.

He swung for the fences (what was Darko imagined to be though? Best East-Euro big man ever is Sabonis, but Darko didn’t have a Sabonis game. WHO did people think he’d become?), struck out, but he’s still one of the best hitters amongst GMs.

So, sadly, he isn’t an idiot, and we won’t get TayShaun PriNce without giving up really good pieces. Drats!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Darko

The Darko pick was Dumars’ homage to the Whitey. Kind of like a way to heal his soul.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Jun 14, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was around back then.

Dumars made the big no-no of drafting for need. Big Ben was always grumbling and they knew he was gonna leave when his contract was up, so they drafted a center instead of BPA. They drafted on potential instead of known. They felt he had a lot of “upside”. I think you hear that term in every draft.

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by Blazerholic on Jun 14, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They also play defense in Detroit

so Carmelo may not have been the man for them. Darko was a big gamble that failed for Detroit but he is still playing and starting now for Memphis. Maybe he gets there slowly. Of course Memphis is competing with the Clippers for the title of “Who can cycle the most useless players” with Qwame Brown there as well. New York would be in the running except they cannot seem to get most of those players unstuck to move them.

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by lee3022 on Jun 15, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zaron5551

I love your avatar.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 14, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

it was your quote from that movie that motivated me to see the movie

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by Zaron5551 on Jun 14, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's one of the best movies ever

A friend of mine thinks the Meaning of Life is hidden somewhere within The Big Lebowski, and I haven’t seen anything that would contradict that belief.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of drinking games

I heard of two for that movie. One is to drink a white Russian each time The Dude drinks one. I think that would put you in a coma. The other one is to just drink each time they say the word “dude.” I think that would put a hurting on you too.

I love the scene with Donny’s ashes in a coffee can. We buried my grandfather off my ship in the navy, and the same thing happened to the guys dumping the ashes. I was all chocked up and holding back tears from the ceremony and 7 guns shot three times salute. Then I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing when his ashes blew all over those guys.

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by tominhawaii on Jun 15, 2008 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We'd all prefer that

But why would Detroit do that? Prince is awesome and would fit PERFECTLY with us.

I love Trout and Webster, and maybe ‘just’ Trout plus the pick is enough, but Prince is one of the best all-round SFs in the game, one of the best defenders, hits the 3, athletic n’ lanky, we’d be set for the next 5 years (at least) at our SF spot.

If we could get a Prince, a Granger, a huge upgrade at the SF spot, how could we not make the move? Especially if they are still young and have all the intangibles Portland people love.

It’s all prolly moot though, because I don’t see why Detroit loses one of their younger key players—unless at #13 Dumars sees the next Rodney Stuckey and has his eye completely on the future and off the now for now (AND he loves whatever young dude we throw in). I don’t see that as likely.

But man, Prince would be perfect. Him, Oden, LMA, Roy, our defense would be great no matter who we got at PG.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow

by tominhawaii on Jun 14, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would do it.

Dumars would not.

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by Winchester on Jun 14, 2008 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Winchester and I went back and forth about this in April

on my wish list Fan Post. I would not include Martell in this trade. Martell will assume Prince’s spot as starting small forward when Prince is on the decline in about 4 years. Martell is going to be a sniper and a perfect fit for this time. Prince is going to be the glue that fills in all of our other cracks. Kind of like Buck WIlliams did when he arrived.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jun 14, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Apparently that link doesn't work

In discussion that followed I pretty much named this exact trade proposal but I included Frye and omitted Webster.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jun 14, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

At the risk of angering my friend Ann

I too would rather include Trout over Webster, and have Prince be the starter and Webster sniper off the bench. Maybe he can even learn a trick or two from Prince. I just think Webster has a much better shot of being an all-round good player than Outlaw does.

Of course, I don’t wanna lose either.

Trout has a lot more value though, and he’d have to be included in a Prince deal. Trout, #13, Jack would have to be a bare minimum and even then I doubt it happens. It would be incredibly strange to see Outlaw in a different uniform, but Prince is Outlaw’s absolute highest cieling of potential NBA impact and it isn’t that likely he’ll get there. Prince is already there and will remain there into his 30’s (lean, long, lanky guys USUALLY last longer than others).

Would be nice if possible, and I’d hate to lose Outlaw, but you can’t argue it wouldn’t make us a much better team.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I agree w/ Mort

Trout, Jack and the #13 is all I would be willing to offer. If Trout keeps improving like so many folks here seem to think he will, and JJ develops into a solid backup, or even a starter, and Dumars picks well, then we may lament this move. But… because of Prince’s talent and leadership I would do it. I guess what I’m saying is that this trade could be fair to both teams. Personally, I think Detroit wants to rebuild w/ Prince, Hamilton, Maxiel, and Stuckey as their nucleus.

by crakarjack on Jun 14, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Travis isn’t a facilitator by any means, he’s a gunner. He’s been effective this year as an iso-whore off the second unit. I don’t think he’ll improve that much more, he was a great fit on last years team, but this year when we are adding some more offensive pieces, his production could decline. Rudy’s points have to come from somewhere right? So selling high on Travis might be a good move.

However,

I’m still hesitant to trade for a small forward because I think the Martell/Travis combination is solid enough. Whereas our point guard position is very weak.

But who knows, with all the lineup tweaks we are undergoing Brandon or Rudy might end up being the starting point guard, Martell may be a shooting guard, other craziness. If KP is going for a small forward I guess this means that either Brandon or Rudy will be the starting point guard and we are going to consolidate at the SF. Or it could mean he has another trade going for Mayo, Bayless, Westbrook, or Eric Gordan, who knows.

With our current lineup though, Frye, Jack, and Sergio look to be the odd men out. So moving them might be a good plan. Those are some decent assets to have, getting a higher pick should be easy enough.

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by Dheepan on Jun 14, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Web vs Trout

oh Mortee, Web being one of the bigger busts or at least not lived up to any potential for a 6th pick, especially being an inconsistent one-dimensional jobber. Vs Travis a kid who every season has brought his level of play up and performed significantly better then Web. How could Trout have more value if you think Web is going to pan out more gold?

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by bow4meow on Jun 15, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Best idea ever

Next to pursuing Calderone or Devin Harris this is the best idea possible Prince is solid on D a strong veteran upgrade at SF and he won’t over shadow our big three, I would give up any combination of Frye, Sergio, #13, Second Rounders, Martell, Outlaw, or Jack however I would only give one player from each position so I wouldnt give up Martell and Outlaw because we will need a young backup for the future, one of them is okay though. Also I would be very nervous that the Pistons may want Pryz they tried to get him a couple years back when he was a free agent so they may try again. I would only trade Pryz if we got to keep Outlaw and even then I would be cautious because we will need him next year to help Oden with that said here are my top 5 trade options in no order

1. Pryz, Martell, 13, second rounder
2. Frye, Sergio, Outlaw, Second Rounder
3. Frye, Martell, Jack, 13
4. Frye, Outlaw, Jack
5. Martell, Outlaw, Jack, Second Rounder

by jlarose78 on Jun 14, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm fine with that trade...

but only if we keep our 13 and give them any or all of our second rounders so that we can draft Joe Alexander and still have a young SF prospect behind Prince and Jones. BTW, how come nobody mentions sign and trade options for one of the top three point shooters in the league?

by MGNNoah on Jun 14, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Cuz he's not an RFA

He has a player option, meaning he can exercise it and stay or decline it and walk as an UFA. I don’t think that trade happens if we take our lottery pick out of the equation. Prince won’t come cheap.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 14, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm tired of being the lone voice of reason around here.

#25

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jun 14, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Please don't feel all alone....

I voted no, but what I wanted to vote was “Hell No!”.
#25

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by LaMarvelous on Jun 14, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Also Voted..

I liked the combination No AND #25 vote. I would have voted for either, but been torn. Super happy I didn’t have to make that decision.

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by 12sharks on Jun 15, 2008 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep Outlaw

Find a way to make the deal without giving up Trout. Trout has a lot of unrealized potential, and he has shown that he is capable of continuously learning and improving. I believe he will rise close to his full potential if not realize it all the way, and that he will be very very good within the next two years. If that is the case then we will regret letting him go. It’ll be Germaine O’Neal all over again. Trout will just massacre us every time he plays against us.

I like Prince a lot. A few years ago he was my favorite NBA player. I’m fine with giving up Webster and Jack and maybe Frye (though Frye has a valuable role on this team and you can never have too many bigs), but no way do I sign off on including Trout in the deal. No way.

Ann, your voice of reason popped up just as I was writing this. I join your voice of reason. And despite the comments on this fanpost, which seem to be mostly in favor of including Trout in the deal, the poll results show that most Bedgers agree with Ann and me.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Jun 14, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It ain't that I FAVOR including Trout

I’m just saying, if this was a real option, Trout would HAVE to be included on the Pistons end. Prince is way too good and young to be gotten for Martell, Jack, Frye, and the #13. I don’t even think adding Trout would do it for the Pistons.

If KP had indeed targetted Prince as someone he HAD to get, how else could it get done? That’s all.

And I don’t think it’s mean or crazy to say that Prince would be a phenomenal upgrade over Travis at the SF spot.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Morty, you're being mean and crazy, but I realize it's only a

small flaw in your otherwise spotless character. I have confidence that with counseling and support from your friends you can overcome this slight deviation from the true path. I’m here for ya hon.

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by annthefan on Jun 14, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I normally agree with you Morty

but I think that if Martell, Jack, Frye, Trout, and a lottery pick wouldn’t do it for the Pistons, they are insane. Five rotation players, at least one of whom has star potential, for one guy who’s an excellent complementary and all-around player but no superstar? That is simply too much.

I like this trade for the Blazers if it’s Martell, Jack, Frye, and #13. I like it less if you substitute Trout for Martell, because that leaves us thin in the big man department with two PFs getting shipped out and none coming back, but you gotta figure KP could get a MaxSap with one of our two second-rounders….hmmm…a three-guard rotation of Rudy, Roy, and Blake with Sergio getting spot minutes behind them, Prince at the 3 with Webby backing him up and playing a little SG if he works on his handle like he should, LMA and MaxSap at PF, Oden and Pryzzie at C….HMMM….

But you can’t include Trout in the deal you referenced too. That’s crazy, yo.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 14, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't mean ALL of 'dem

I don’t think the Pistons wanna take over our bench and I don’t wanna give up ours, I just don’t think any variation of that combo would get Prince, and if a variation DID work it would likely have to include Outlaw.

Take out Martell, Frye, whoever, it still would likely include Trout and the #13 and I don’t think it could be done.

The way I see it, we can only DREAM of Outlaw having as much of an effect on a game as Prince does. Outlaw has a higher scoring potential, but I don’t think scoring is what we need with Oden, LMA, Roy, Rudy, Martell, etc. What we need are good defenders, team players, high BB-IQ, solid to great dependable players. Not scoring, which is all Outlaw provides right now. We HOPE he’ll end up providing more, but why hope when you can get the Real Deal Princeyfield?

Especially if he’s young and has a great attitude like Tey Tey does.

I love lil’ Outlaw, and it’d be wierd to see him on another team. And obviously, all of this is academic because there likely isn’t any offer on the table. I’m jus’ sayin’ yo, Outlaw has a loooooong way to go before he is as good as Tayshaun Prince, and if Trout plus the #13 plus Jack gets ya Prince, KP prolly has to do the deal and hope Roy and the others think Prince is a great guy as well. Paul Allen can even get him some fishing lessons and hook him up with a speech coach so he can learn Travis’ charming bashful southern drawl.

I’d be surprised if Trout was traded, but if a deal like this came up I can’t say I’d be angry about it. Prince is just so perfect for our needs.

If I’m being a pure homer (which I usually am), I don’t want Prince to come in so Martell can keep his starting spot and keep proving himself and Trout can be the 6th man of the year. Objectively though, Prince is just a helluva lot better.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh my bad

This confused me: “Trout would HAVE to be included on the Pistons end. Prince is way too good and young to be gotten for Martell, Jack, Frye, and the #13. I don’t even think adding Trout would do it for the Pistons.” When you said adding Trout, I thought you meant to that aforementioned package. I agree with everything else you said though.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 14, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, no, tis my fault

I worded it very poorly. The way you read it is the logical way to read it. I am as big of a failure as Kobe’s post-Shaq career :-(

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then you're an MVP, aren't you?

It’s not all so bad. Mortimer = Valuable Poster. And you don’t let my mean nasty Garnett-like posts bring you down.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 14, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OMG! That would make an awesome poster!

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by LaMarvelous on Jun 14, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thing I haven't seen yet is a 3 team trade.

Sometimes you can get things done that way. Say, for instance, sign-and-trade Marion to Detroit; Prince to Blazers; Jack, Webster, Frye, #13, 2nd round to Miami.

Miami could use a lot of help.

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by Blazerholic on Jun 14, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This idea

makes a whole lot of sense. I don’t know if the particulars are spot-on (not saying they’re not) but you’re darn right about Miami needing a lot of help—it makes more sense from them to acquire a bunch of cheap young rotation players than for Detroit. This might be the rare trade that helps all teams get better, actually.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 14, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I think a 3-team deal would be best for all teams involved. I don’t know about trading Trout and/or Martell, Jack, Frye and #13 for Prince. That completely drains us. Maybe he could be got for less through a 3-team deal, just like this hypothetical one involving Miami.

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by mannyfresh1 on Jun 14, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Something similar could work

While based off of their recent season Miami needs help, I don’t think they think they are that far from contending again and would hesitate with trading a great player like Marion to a rival in Detroit.

And really, Miami isn’t far off. We gotta remember they were massively tanking most of the season, playing nearly all D-Leaguers—and not even the best D-leaguers. THAT is a commitment to tanking Boston could only dream of.

If Wade is healthy, if Marion comes back, that’s a great duo. You add Beasley or Mayo, you got a great young player who can help right away. Haslem is good as well, and I could see them making the playoffs in the East. Wade was so obviously not the same this season, and should have sat out right away instead of meaninglessly play through the injuries. If he is okay, that elevates their chances greatly.

They aren’t the same as super young and bad teams like Minny or Seattle. If healthy, Miami could be in the playoffs.

Of course, like I said, something like this could work, if not exactly what you describe. Handing a potential rival a guy like Marion just doesn’t seem like a Riley move to me.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 14, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, that was just the first thing that popped into my head.

But it is an example of how a 3 team deal might work better than trying to give Detroit something they don’t really desire.

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by Blazerholic on Jun 15, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

Outlaw, Webster, Jack, and the 13th for Prince. If that were the offer, I’d applaud Detroit for trying to get as many players as possible. At the same time, I’m not exactly sure how it makes the Pistons better. It might extend their window… but by the time Webster, Outlaw, and the 13th pick are in the primes, Billups and Wallace will be over the hill. If I were dumars, I’d prefer to trade for Magette or some one of that caliber. Wallace and Prince for Magette and the 7th pick of the draft? Something like that. I was about to say that the Pistons might prefer to take Frye, but then I remembered that they have Amir Johnson and Maxiel and they like toughness in their front cour players.

For the Blazers. Gosh. You’d have to consider it.. Prince was the second best player on one of the league’s best teams: http://www.82games.com/0708/0708DET.HTM . He’d be a major upgrade at SF. If the Blazers had someone that good at SF, I’d say they’d be fine within standing pat at PG… though they would be a little thin. Tempting.

by PoliSam on Jun 14, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Les Richter, Herschell Walker, Kiki Vendewege

Tayshaun Prince is a solid NBA starter, at the peak of his career.

But Tayshaun Prince is no Les Richter (Rams, 1952).

Tayshaun Prince is no Herschel Walker (Vikings, 1989).

Tayshaun Prince is not even Kiki Vandewege (Trailblazers, 1984).

Richter MAY have been a good deal for the Rams; 56 years later, the jury is still out. The Walker trade was a disaster for the Vikings. The Vandewege trade changed the face of the Blazers for a decade, and most would say not in a good way.

If you get too fixated on a single player, you get burned, and it can drag down the franchise for several years. I’d like to think that KP is smarter than that.

by monkeysuncle on Jun 14, 2008 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Great Post!

and to top it all of your Bedge name is totally appropriate! BTW, I am a long suffering Minnesota Vikings fan (My mom grew up there), and that Herschel Walker trade gave me much anguish.

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by LaMarvelous on Jun 14, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What did Portland give up

in the Vandewege that made them worse for a decade? I seem to remember a couple of finals appearences during that ensuing decade.

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by 92wastheyear on Jun 15, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NO But

I would call Pat Riley and offer the #13 ,#33,#36,#55 and J.Jack and wafer and J.Jones for the #2 pick.Or the #13 and two second Round picks and a future 1st rd. and J.Jack and wafer for the #2 pick.

by billyjoejack on Jun 14, 2008 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

And

Riley would spew his glass of chardonnay all over his Armani suit in disbelieving laughter before hanging up the phone.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 15, 2008 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU JERK

13, #33, #36, and #55 is FOUR picks you NUMBSKULL. We only want ONE of his—can you even count that high or do you need me to have relations with your MOTHER for you to understand?

Plus we’d be giving him the next Chauncey Billups—you SKALLAWAG. He’s a finals MVP—you BUFFOON.

Plus Von Wafer is a free agent and can’t be signed till July 1st—you DEGENERATE GOAT FACED PEDOPHILE.

We’ll even clean Riley’s suit after his chardonnay spill if he agrees within five minutes—ya CREEP.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 15, 2008 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff

my favorite parts were “do you need me to have relations with your mother for you to understand?” and “you degenerate goat faced pedophile”. I hope it’s all right with you if I use those in my day-to-day insults now, and I’ll yell “attributed to Mortimer!” at the end.

Example: I’m working up a sweat with a nice game of racquetball at the MAC, enjoying the classical music being piped in, when my opponent makes, quite frankly, the worst line call I’ve ever seen. “I don’t give a DAMN if you have Sam Adams on speed-dial, that was the worst line call I’ve even seen, you goat-faced pedophile ATTRIBUTEDTOMORTIMER!” As you can see, not only am I not plagiarizing you, but I’m almost certainly confusing and terrifying my verbal adversary to boot. He’ll think twice about shoddy line calls as he’s driving away in his Audi A8, that’s for sure.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 15, 2008 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be honored

Especially if you’re yelling at someone at the MAC club. I always had to sneak into there to play basketball; we couldn’t become members because we weren’t Clyde Drexler :-(

For expediency sake, you can even shorten ATTRIBUTED TO MORTIMER to “ATM”, or pronounce it as “atom”. Or hell, I like you kid, you don’t even need to credit me as long as I remain in your heart like a heartworm in a newborn pup.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 15, 2008 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, thanks friend!

I assure you that you will forever be my heartworm. And I have only been in the MAC one time and that one time was enough…I simply don’t like snobby rich places and the MAC is the snobbiest rich place I’ve ever come across in Portland. It’s like a rule that you have to meet a certain level of being a pretentious d-bag before they hire you to work there.

Shouldn’t you be theoretically sleeping right now?

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 15, 2008 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

All Good Boys Deserve Sleep

Which is why Mortimer is out of luck. Personally, I wouldn’t reappropriate Mortimer’s colloquialisms at any expense, as the aforementioned would always be to my own denigration. If I WERE to, I would certainly never give him credit under any circumstances.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jun 15, 2008 3:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

look in the mirror

when you call people creep and goat faced you low life

by billyjoejack on Jun 15, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reread posts before you call names

or you look resoundingly foolish. All of Mortimer’s comments, which as an aside could not have been made more in jest, weren’t even directed at you—they were directed at me.

by BlazersOrBust on Jun 16, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

On the other hand, that "you low life" is funny.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 16, 2008 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

P.S.

I would not bust up my roster.I would give them RLEC,.J.Jack,J.Jones,McRoberts, V.Wafer all. Or there choice of three players and Three draft picks this year and one future 1st round pick.

by billyjoejack on Jun 14, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

trade modification

Prince, Maxiell and #29, for Martell, Joel, and jarett and the 13th

by blazersmart on Jun 15, 2008 1:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I Still Like the Idea..

of getting Prince the musician. No way is TP available, as he’s the youngest starter on that squad, but the Artist? Priceless. And no, Detroit’s NEVER including Maxiell in a Portland pu pu platter.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jun 15, 2008 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Minnesota will never trade him

But with McHale at the helm, there’s always a chance we can get Prince for Dan Reed.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 15, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

DETROIT IS FLOATING A BAD IDEA...

Rumored price at #13, Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster and Jarrett Jack for Tayshaun Prince & #29

We’ll have to come up with a new inverse term for “Pritchslapped” if the Blazers make that trade…

Yeah, right, let’s give up a GOOD draft pick, a former lottery pick, a decent point guard, and Tayshaun Prince’s younger clone for…............ Tayshaun Prince and a bad draft pick.

That makes ZERO sense.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jun 15, 2008 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Has a trade rumor

That has come out two weeks before the draft, ever turned out to be true?

"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow

by tominhawaii on Jun 15, 2008 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this even a trade rumor? Seems more like desperation BEdge speculation, to me.

Perhaps that’s stating the obvious.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jun 15, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can not understand

How people can insult other people they don,t know. I thought this was a friendly blog sight. I’ve been a Blazer fan for more than 30 years, and to see some of the insults to other blogers because of miss guided romurs is just out right wrong. People have the right to say how they feel that does not mean everyone has to feel the same. we all have differrant opions.so as a long time Blazer fan I ask that can we all just get along with out the name calling and insults.

by billyjoejack on Jun 15, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

He was just kidding. They are good friends.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 15, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure Morty aimed that at BlazersOrBust.

But I can see why you would be offended. It does look like it was aimed at your proposal. This should be a lesson to all of us, that we should be more careful in our sarcasm, because it can easily be misunderstood.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

Chaplain of the Jarrett Jack Fan Club

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Jun 15, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry BillyJoe

My comment was in reply to BlazersorBust, not to yours, but with how the threads stack I can see how you thought I was referring to you. I am sorry, but I assure you it was not directed towards you at all and I agree that we shouldn’t insult people with simple namecalling and insults.

And my words to BlazersorBust were purely good natured ribbing, fun style.

I hope all is well, BillyJoeJack, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 15, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He called you a goat face

And you are apologizing to him? Morty got owned.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 15, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

srarted laughing loudley and uncontrolably

hahahaha…....hahahahaha…..caugh..caugh..hahaha

"you have long words
they make long writing" ratbastird

Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.

by ptwnblzr on Jun 16, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, hello? Earth to Sabonis4ever?

He only called me a low life.

MORTIMER: 1
SABONIS4EVER: 0

However, I did get pwned. BUT NOT BY YOU, and that is what this is really about.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 16, 2008 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn, i just got owned

i just assumed….oh no….what am i going to do….i need to rethink my life….i just got so hardcore owned….AHHHHHH…..please retake that owning back….i beg you…i am sorry….

I have learned my lesson. I must be more careful when it comes to talk of owning. I also need to read posts more throughly. Good day.

(i will even that score in the future….you just wait)

by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 16, 2008 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tayshaun Prince I like a lot. But, not at that price.

I’d give up Martell and Jack for Tayshaun Prince, and maybe throw in some 2nd rounders, but giving up Travis too, or Frye? This is a classic off-season case of Giving Away the entire Bench/Depth and many great prospects for ONE player to fill the starting SF role.

I don’t like it. Even though I like Tayshaun better than almost any non-blazer in the league.

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 15, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting trade

I would probably end up being in favor of trading Outlaw/Webster/Jack/13 for Prince. I am not convinced that we would be getting the better deal in terms of value (giving up a lot of young players for an older one), but I think Prince would fit in well with our other starters and this is exactly the type of trade we should be looking into to consolidate our talent.

by trk on Jun 15, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Outlaw is the stuff...

But Prince is one of the few guys in the league i’d trade him for were I KP. Prince is an absolute animal, he’s singlehandedly won several playoff games for Detroit over the years with his mad shot-blocking and clutch shooting. He’s probably their best all around player, even though he doesn’t get much pub.

by Rule on Jun 16, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs