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This is an open thread for everyone who participated in the Mock Draft as a GM.  We want you to share your experiences in trying to trade and pick.  What was it like trying to work deals?  How did you determine what to do?  Also this is the place to share some of your trades that DIDN'T make it, either because the League vetoed them or because you couldn't find a partner.

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Very interesting experience

I tried to make some contacts and get some stuff worked to move up in the draft to get a good PG, though I’m happy with Augustin. I made some contacts, but I wasn’t happy with the response (either there wasn’t one, or they demanded too much). I feel like that might be pretty realistic at the real level. You probably don’t always get your phone calls answered, and when they do, you don’t know if they have the same opinions of players as you do.

I also got offered a very interesting 9 player trade offer. It only involved 1 draft pick, and I wasn’t too interested in it. I had to keep certain players on my team due to promises I kept myself (notably that I wouldn’t trade Danny Granger).

So it was definitely a very interesting experience learning about my team, then trying to move up, then settling in with the spot I had and making the best possible pick at that spot.

by rmcdougall on Jun 13, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Being the Bucks GM

I did have talks with the Blazers GM’s concerning acquiring the 13th pick both before and after the selection was made. Talks centered around DeAndre Jordan prior to Portland’s selection of Joe Alexander.

Here were the deals that I discussed with Portland…
Blazers Receive
PG Russell Westbrook
SF Desmond Mason

Bucks Receive
13th pick
Martell Webster
Sergio Rodriguez
Josh McRoberts

then after Alexander was selected, we had discussed a trade involving Westbrook and Mason for Alexander, Frye and Jack…probably would’ve pulled the trigger on the deal but by the time everyone got back to me, I had the deal in place (and submitted) with the Kings.

I also had conversations over the course of the last week with at least 10 other teams, but only serious negotiations occured with Sacramento, as well as a potential 3 team, 11 player deal w/Pistons and Rockets (though there wasn’t enough for me to feel like I could significantly improve my team).
Overall it was a lot of fun, and hopefully we’ll be able to do it next year!
Go Blazers!!

by lefty6283 on Jun 13, 2008 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

DeAndre Jordan's Value at #13 is undeniable!!!

I was an at large GM and I look back at our pick at #13. I had voted for Brandon Rush mainly because I think he is a LOCK to be a solid pro and consistent producer in the NBA. But in retrospect the Blazers should absolutely draft DeAndre Jordan if he is there at #13. Many teams think he is a top 2 or 3 center in this draft and if he slides to #13, Portland would have quite a trade-token on their hands if they get this “Dwight Howard-built” prospect. Maybe a tempting prospect to help us acquire the guard that KP and Nate want to target?

Bucks GM – lefty6283 – said it above… “(trade) talks centered around center DeAndre Jordan before Portland’s pick at number 13.” And I read on the mock draft comments posters saying that DeAndre Jordan is a perfect fit for Golden State, and now I doubt that Golden State isn’t targeting Jordan as their top draft hopeful in this years draft. If we draft him, we may be able to pull of a trade with Golden State to swap picks and give KP and opportunity to Pritch-slap them with some genius move.

Joe Alexander to me is the wrong move either way at #13. If DeAndre Jordan is there, take him; If not, then draft Brandon Rush. But…

At the time Portland Drafted at #13 I had seen different trade scenarios with Portland involved and trying to acquire Russell Westbrook or Eric Gordon or DJ Augustin. The way I see it is that Portland HAS EVERY OPPORTUNITY to land one of those guards. Never did our Mock Portland GM’s come through with an offer of all three of this years picks to move up 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 slots to put Portland in position to grab best available guard where ever they land. I really believe one Memphis, New York, Clippers, Milwaukie, Charlotte, New Jersey or Indiana would be willing to trade down a few slots to 13 if they could pick up an extra pick or three. So, if KP isn’t pressing the issue that the only additions to this team are veterans then Portland DEFINITELY can land a hot guard prospect in this years lottery. Which, I might add, is the last NBA Lottery Portland is going to be in for quite some time. And, KP and Nate wouldn’t have to give up any of our BENCH, like Jack or Frye. If we keep what we have now, including Rudy and Oden, we only have one slot left anyway. If Portland can jockey it’s way up to grab a guard prospect and only leverage our 2008 picks (we have 4). Any 2nd rounders that Portland could keep then should be spent on international prospects because there is no immediate room.

If we Portland can’t move up with KP offering all this years picks, then Portland should not pass on DeAndre Jordan like they did in the Mock Draft. Jordan is a much more coveted prospect than Joe Alexander… Which I think Joe Alexander is another Marcus Fizer: A beast in the tourney, kinda out of no where, awesome athlete and combine, but ultimately, simly a work-out warrior who does nothing in the NBA worth noting. Boy I hope we don’t draft Alexander…

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 14, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey now!

We tried to move up to grab Westbrook twice, but both deals were denied by the league for “mock draft logistical reasons,” not basketball reasons. One of the trades was the previously-mentioned #9 (which apparently wouldn’t have been enough for Westbrook) for Jack and #13 (where MJ was targeting Darrell Arthur). If the deal would have been done with Westbrook gone, we probably would have taken Gordon (BPA).

The other deal that we had on the table was with Milwaukee after the fact – Alexander, #33 and #36 for Westbrook.

So, yeah, the Mock Blazers didn’t make a trade, but it wasn’t for lack of trying. The league denied both deals.

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on Jun 15, 2008 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was the GM for Philly

First and foremost, this process was a whole lot of fun. Our community here at BE has got to be one of the best on the web, it’s hard for me to imagine another site that could have come together and made this thing happen. Thanks to everyone involved and especially Dave for playing all the e-mail tag behind the scenes.

Now, about my team… Philadelphia was interesting for me because I knew very little about them. The only times I saw them play this past season were against the Blazers and in the playoffs. I researched and found that they were most in need of some interior scoring. I didn’t want to focus exclusively on the PF/C positions though because I have always believed in taking the best player (cliche’ I know). I came up with a list on who I would most want based on who I figured could be available at #16. Here is the list with some of my thought processes behind everything:

In a perfect world:
These are guys I wouldn’t have passed up under any circumstances. They almost certainly wouldn’t be there for me at 16, but you never know.

Russel Westbrook
Eric Gordon
Anthony Randolph
Danilo Gallinari
Joe Alexander

None of these guys fell, and I wasn’t able to trade up so I moved onto the next group.

Guys who I want and have a good chance to be available:

Brandon Rush – I really thought he might be available and I would have pulled the trigger in a heartbeat even though I already have Iguodala and R. Carney. I think Rush could be a top 10 talent in this draft.

Darrell Aurthur – This guy fit my needs most because he is a big and a good scorer. He didn’t last nearly as long as I thought he would though

Donte Greene – This guy looks like a project but he has a lot of potential because he is tall and he can really shoot. A red flag for me was his inconsistent play down the stretch this year at Syracuse, but he was my highest rated guy available so I took him.

Marreese Speights

Guys I avoided because I think they will be busts:

Brooke Lopez
DeAndre Jordan
DJ Augustin

OK guys I know this was long but any comments or discussion would be cool and if you guys have questions hit me up.

by HeffBlazer on Jun 13, 2008 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry about ripping Darrell Arthur a little early

I see him as a no risk pick who is also talented and skilled. This guy is ready to play.

After lurking on Charlotte’s website and researching their personnel it became obvious that they need two things:

1. Frontcourt help
2. Make the playoffs in 08-09

As an overzealous Jarrett Jack fan I had to find a way to find him a spot on the Bobcats. The bobcats currently feature Matt Carroll & Earl Boykins playing the reserve minutes at guard. Thinking I could get my player later and strengthen my guard rotation for free I offered the #9 to Portland for the #13 & Jack. All 3 of the Portland GM Triumvirate were agreeable within 30 minutes…. I was a little hard headed and waited to see if a player dropped to me and then it was too late for Commissioner Dave to let the trade be approved.

I rejected the following offer that I didn’t think was realistic or beneficial

Boston offers: Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo & #30
Charlotte gives: Jason Richardson, Ray Felton

I didn’t think Boston would actually trade two of their world champion starters while still celebrating

I rejected a portland offer of spare parts for Ray Felton & Jared Dudley

by tweener on Jun 13, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Portland - Charlotte deal was MONEY!!!

It would be really exciting if Portland would be able to move up to #9. There is going to be a lottery guard available at that point in the draft, which seems to be the most popular option to do. I was was mock-bummed when that deal didn’t go through.

Aside from the Mock… at this point, I kinda hope we get to keep Jack at least one more season. Thinking back on the season, his aggressiveness created both points and turnovers. But on a young team, the hardest thing to get is consistent aggressiveness. Jack is not afraid to go after it. Jack is pretty good at attacking. If Jack can progress and cut down on his turnovers and keep imroving his offense and foul shooting, Jack could be big-time.

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 15, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sacramento Kings here

This was a definate blast. I can’t wait to be back at it next year, either as an at-large/GM guy (gotta love the inside info/control), or as a team GM again. The great thing about the process for me was just really digging into the players in the draft. Honestly, I learned a LOT more about these guys than I knew before.

The first order of business was getting to know my team. Honestly, while I’m a HUGE Blazers fan, my knowledge of the league as a whole isn’t nearly what it was 5-10 years ago, so I had some catching up to do. I knew about Artest and Martin of course, but now I got to know how the Kings have like 15 power forwards under contract, all of whom are backup material. We have a rookie center backing up Brad Miller, who is solid if nothing else. But we don’t have a single point guard under contract. Sure, we are going to likely sign Beno back, but there is no guarantee, and we still need depth there. So, it seemed obvious point guard was the way to go.

The targets were Westbrook and Augustine, and I decided to take either one if they fell to me. But I didn’t think it likely, so I started looking for trade partners to move up a few slots. What I found pretty quick is that I don’t have much to offer in trade, and what I was willing to part with wouldn’t match what my target team’s needs were. I resigned myself to hope for the best and get ready to draft a power forward who might start for me in a year or two.

I did get two early offers for Ron Artest. I discounted them both pretty much out of hand, primarily for the reason that it is completely unrealistic that anyone would trade for Artest prior to July 1, given that he has until June 30 to exercise his ETO if he wants. No way a team is going to trade for a guy who can walk a week later.

There was a potential 4-way deal brewing with Portland, myself, Detroit, and Philadelphia. the deal was pretty sweet for me, and would have netted me Andre Miller and the #29 in exchange for my #12 and two of my power forwards (Mikki Moore and Sheldon Williams). I was good with it, and I think it was a good deal for Portland too, which would have netted them Stuck and Rodney Carney for Travis, McBob and the #13. I had a harder time seeing why Philly and Detroit would agree to either the original deal, or a modified one, and I think that ulitmately may have been what killed it.

Things quieted down the last few days leading up to the draft, so I just settled in with my short list of players ready to pull the trigger. While waitng for my turn to come up, I tried several times to design a trade for TJ Ford, but until his BYC comes off the books July 1, I just couldn’t make the salaries work. I threw a last second offer at Memphis for their #5 pick, but I really got that started way too late to have time to work out the details. Once Westbrook went off the board at #9, I was pretty worried about Augustine falling to me, and I proved to be right, as the Pacers snatched him up right before my pick. At that point it was an easy thing to pull the trigger on Randolph, who was clearly the best talent left in the draft, and had slipped quite a few slots. I immediately started working scenarios to trade him for the previously picked Westbrook. I thought Milwaukie was a good trading partner, because they needed a 4, and I had seems some mocks saying Randolph would fit nicely with Yi. Other than my glut of overpaid, underperforming 4s and the untradeable Artest, my only real assets to offer were my backup wings, Salmons and Garcia, both double-digit scorers last year. I like Garcia’s long term potential for my team a bit better, and Salmons had a bit more salary to offer. I contacted Milwaukie looking for the trade of picks, dangling Salmons, and saying I was willing to take back some bad contract. In the meantime, and offer came in from Orlando which was Brad Miller and the rights to Randolph for Rashard Lewis and the 22nd pick. I thought this was an absolute steal for me, and I could pick up Lawson or Chalmers at 22, or worst case go for a PF/C if both of them were gone. The salaries didn’t match though, so I offered to throw in Sheldon Williams, and still thought I was getting the better end of the deal. by that time however, my deal with Milwaukie was mostly finalized, with him sending Gadzuric back to me and me adding the #43 pick. We agreed in principal, but by that time the first round was mostly wrapped up, and the deal never really got executed.

All in all, it was a fun and educational process, and in addition to learning quite a bit, I had a great time on draft day reading the picks and the rational, and waiting for trades to come in. I was a bit disappointed that the Blazers never made any moves, but that’s the way it goes down sometimes.

by douglast on Jun 13, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Detroit

I was the Pistons GM, and I feel that Joe Dumars has a very difficult task in front of him the next couple of years.

I know everyone raves about what a great job the Pistons do in their front office and that may be partly true. However, they have a number of players on the tail end of their career that aren’t good enough as presently constructed to get the Pistons to the next level.
Most of you all recognize that if they didn’t have Stuckey and Maxiell they would be relying on their five starters for nearly all of their production. Obviously Flip Saunders not being able to develop their young players played a role in him getting axed.

The individual pieces of the team are going to be hard to move because it is tough to decide which one of the pieces (Wallace, Billups…) is best suited to move. Whichever player or players Dumars decides to send away, he will likely not get the value he desires back- this is something I had made clear throughout the process.

As far as trades go, the bulls offered Drew Gooden and Tyrus Thomas for Wallace and the 29th pick.
I was potentially going to get in on a multi team trade, but in the end didn’t want to part with Stuckey.
And there was a trade with the Rockets for Rasheed that involved the Pistons getting back Scola, Alston, and Bobby Jackson’s expiring contract.
There were many other offers, and things available…
I can tell you the honest truth, that I would have given anything to have the number of assets available that Portland has and be able to have so much flexibility. To be able to trade a number of young players with that much value on the trade market (Jack, Rodriguez, Webster, Outlaw, Frye, Pryz,) and not worry about being able to compete. KP’s position is enviable.

With that said, the Pistons are maybe only a player or two from making that serious run before they really have to flip the majority of their roster. If they can get a defensive minded big to replace Rasheed, a scoring small forward to back up Prince, and get something good back if they trade Billups, this could be a team that continues its domination of the East.

by sarchie41 on Jun 13, 2008 11:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a complaint

I was sexually harassed by the GM from New York.

"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow

by tominhawaii on Jun 14, 2008 12:59 AM PDT reply actions  

As GM of the Celtics,

I had a great time. Had a sweet three-team trade involving Rondo -> Foye -> Webster + 13 all lined up , but we just couldn’t quite get everyone on board.

But enough draft talk. I feel that we need to fire Doc Rivers and begin looking for a new coach. If Dallas and Phoenix can do it then we should be able to do it too. It’s only fair.

My vote is for Joe Klein. After all, he was a former sixth pick and a Celtic. I’ll have to see what the rest of management thinks.

—Ainge

ptwnblzr: #25
Outlaw is Rejector: amen
annthefan: Hallelujah
prezofdeath: Preach it!
Outlaw is Rejector: THE CHOIR SINGS IT

by prezofdeath on Jun 14, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope you all will use your acquired knowledge...

to give great insights in the games previews of next season.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 14, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Seattle GM

Sorry I didn’t particitpate in all this post-draft-posting. I don’t have the internet at home…

I managed to make a great deal in this draft, but it was the only offer I received (eventhough as the draft-day approached I told the Miami GM that I had a ton of offers for my two picks so he better hurry-up and make a decision).
I was expecting more action from others. I was asked for my two picks in exchange for the no.2 pick, then we talked it out until we came-up with the deal you all saw. It was agreed upon the night before the draft, and approved just before it. Oddly enough, it was almost not approved because the commissioners felt Collison was too much to give up! But they saw the light and let it go.
Nothing else happened, but I enjoyed the whole thing very much. And everyday during the week trade ideas were on my mind and it was pretty exciting considering no one else was making me offers.

by NEP_blazers on Jun 16, 2008 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I´ve heard this saying about negotiations:

“It is not the same when you call than when you recieve a call”.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jun 16, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Minnesota GM

I really enjoyed this process, even though my decision to trade Mayo for Love may be the second-most-maligned decision on draft day after Miami trading Beasley. Please see my comment in the Trade-evaluating post to see my reasons for making the actual trade itself.

I was contacted by every team in the top 8 except one. I was hoping Beasley would fall to me at 3, but in absence of that I was looking at a small group of players. I didn’t consider Gallinari worth the third pick, and he was really the only small forward to be considered that high, so I divided the other prospects into two groups, guards and big men.

Guards:

1. O.J. Mayo.
2. Jerryd Bayless.
3. Eric Gordon.

Big men:

1. Kevin Love.
2. Brook Lopez.
3. Anthony Randolph.

For considering team need, it is a well-known fact the Minnesota has some promising young players at the guard and small forward spots, and needs some major help up front. Al Jefferson has the size of a power forward but has been playing center (which honestly may be helping to hide his defensive ineptitude), so drafting for either position is a possibility. Randi Foye projects to be at least a solid starter if not potential star, so if those two players are considered young cornerstones of the team then whoever they draft should complement those players. Seeing that the T’Wolves already have a combo guard (Foye) and a true shooting guard (McCants), I would be much more inclined to take a true point than another combo/shooting guard. But there’s no true points worthy of the third pick. Mayo is probably the best guard available, but he’s very similar to Foye in some respects and drafting him might result in having to trade one of them in a year or two. Not a bad prospect, but not a great fit either. As for big men, Lopez is probably the safest best and has the least upside, but he was strictly a low-post scorer in college, and might not be a good complement to Al Jefferson. Randolph has potential but is really a wild-card, and might not be worth the third pick. Love, though, appears to be as NBA-ready as anyone in this range, and projects to be a decent outside shooter and passer and so might be a good high post complement to Jefferson. He might be a reach at 3 also, so I decided that the Timberwolves would target him and see if they can trade down.

In all I have a lot more respect for how difficult it is to make these kinds of decisions, and I personally think McHale gets an unfair rap.

by TheBlazersPhilosopher on Jun 16, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

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