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A different metric (applied to PGs)

Abstract

I made a new metric that compares players by position by taking that their per minute pace adjusted stats, averages them, and then compares each player to the average and then sums each players difference from the average for all relevant categories. I used two different methods for weighting shooting percentages. The first does no weighting and the second weights by pace adjusted per minute shots attempted.  With no  weight on shooting %s I found the top 5 pgs to be Chris Paul, Jose Calderon, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, and Baron Davis. When I weighted shooting %s the top 5become Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, Baron Davis, Jose Calderon, and TJ Ford.

 

 

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Why?

What motivates an idiot to try and undertake making yet another basketball metric? I was recently in a bit of a discussion with Stumptown Doug about his post PG Grading and this finally got me off my duff to try my hand at what I think might be an interesting metric for ranking players relative to their position. In Stumptown Doug's analysis scoring pgs will have an immediate helping hand as points are weighted much greater than anything else. For example a 10 apg (assists per game) 10 ppg (point per game) pg would be the same as a 15 ppg 5 ppg per game pg, but I think the 10apg pg is more valuable and any good metric should reflect this. The first that might be done is to just multiply each assist by 2, which is reasonable, but then all stats would need to be weighted by how many points they cause the team to score; I dont know how to do this for things like steals, blocks and rebounds. Instead I just wanted to weight all categories equally by seeing how close each pg is the the average for every category and then sum how far they are from the average in all relevant categories: 2 point field goal percentage, 3 point field goal percentage, free throw percentage, rebounds, assists, steals, turnovers, and points. In one instance I tried to weight the shooting categories by shots attempted so that good shooters who shot a lot were rewarded more and bad shooter shooters who shoot a lot were further penalized for it.

Method

First all raw, non percentage stats, were scaled by minutes and then by pace. I wanted to do this so big minute guys were on the same footage as not so big minute guys, it also adjusted for slow paced teams as scoring 20 on the Suns is much harder than scoring 20 with the Blazers and this needs to be accounted for. Then for each category I computed the average and then divided each players adjusted stat by the average and subtracted 1. So if the player was better than average in that category the player received a positive number if worse they received a negative number with the opposite being true for turnovers. I then summed each players difference from the average over all categories. I did this for no weighting of shooting categories by shots attempted and with weighting by shots attempted.

Results

 weighted shooting stats (top 25)

 Chris Paul     2.77
 Jason Kidd     1.69
 Baron Davis     1.31
 Jose Calderon     1.13
 T.J. Ford     1.02
 Chauncey Billups     1.00
 Brandon Roy     0.90
 Brevin Knight     0.69
 Gilbert Arenas     0.67
 Andre Miller     0.61
 Eddie Gill     0.47
 Deron Williams     0.41
 Devin Harris     0.40
 Bobby Jackson     0.40
 Jameer Nelson     0.39
 Tony Parker     0.38
 Jamaal Tinsley     0.34
 Anthony Carter     0.34
 Steve Nash     0.32
 Rafer Alston     0.22
 Mo Williams     0.22
 Sam Cassell     0.20
 Mike Bibby     0.16
 Dan Dickau     0.14
 Darrell Armstrong     0.13

no weight on shooting stats (top 25)

   Chris Paul    3.20
 Jose Calderon     1.86
 Jason Kidd     1.84
 Chauncey Billups     1.46
 Baron Davis     1.38
 T.J. Ford     1.16
 Brandon Roy     1.08
 Steve Nash     1.06
 Eddie Gill     0.93
 Jameer Nelson     0.82
 Deron Williams     0.81
 Mo Williams     0.69
 Devin Harris     0.67
 Gilbert Arenas     0.64
 Bobby Jackson     0.57
 Derek Fisher     0.51
 Anthony Carter     0.49
 Tony Parker     0.38
 Dan Dickau     0.32
 Mike Bibby     0.30
 Mike Wilks     0.30
 Anthony Johnson     0.29
 Jason Hart     0.27
 Sam Cassell     0.27
 Jason Williams     0.24

Discussion

It is hard to find a metric where Chris Paul is not awesome. Also Deron Williams and Steve Nash, elite pgs, did not fare to well under this analysis.

Wrap It Up!

This was a labor of love and sometimes hate as I am not a big spreadsheet guy. If you have any questions or concerns I would love to hear them. If you want a copy of my spreadsheet email me at jonestr at unm dot edu. Please let me know what you think of this and if you would like to see anymore of this for another position. Thanks for reading this. Also I got all of my stats from player stats and team stats.

 

 

 

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whoa

numbers, math, stats, blah… If I wanted to do algebra I wouldn’t have dropped out of high school.

by mark twain on Jun 13, 2008 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

btw

i commend your hard work, it’s just too much. I’m sure everyone else will get it though!

by mark twain on Jun 13, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If something is poorly explained

let me know as I am not trying to be highbrow about this and I want some different prespectives on this. I am hoping it might be a useful way to evaluate players with out arbitrarily weighting anything, but it is still a work in progress.

Thanks for commenting

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 13, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I imagine Jorga will love it. Also the other stat folks and point guard fans will get a kick out of it.

"lowest common denominator - every time I think you hit rock bottom you sink it deeper into the shale" -- bow4meow

by tominhawaii on Jun 13, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's not poorly explained

just really complicated for some reason. Like I said, I’m sure the stat peeps will dig it.

by mark twain on Jun 13, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

has anyone else noticed

that no matter how we grade the leagues point gaurds, when adding BRoy, he always does well, most of the time better then people we are talking about getting on the team? i don’t want him as the point, just find it exciting.

"you have long words
they make long writing" ratbastird

Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.

by ptwnblzr on Jun 13, 2008 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I didnt think he would fare that well

his per minute stats are not great, but he does play on a slow paced team, but besides free throws he does not mess anything up. One other consideration is his high rebounding numbers for a guard may have pushed him up as they did for another great rebounding point, Jason Kidd.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jun 14, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roy is simply good in many areas.

He’s the only guy who is in the top 20 for both assist rate and low turnover rate among people with 2000+ minutes played, according to basketball-reference.com. He’s also a strong rebounder for a 2-guard, which means he’s a very strong rebounder for a point guard. Averaging almost 20 ppg for the second slowest team is yet another strong point. The only areas Roy doesn’t excel at are shooting percentages, steals, and block. He’s only a tad below average in those areas anyway.

Roy is pretty close to having no weaknesses at all. While he doesn’t have any standout strengths, he has many strengths.

by poster on Jun 14, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

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