Two moves to get us to the Western Conference Finals next year!
by RIP CITY on Jun 10, 2008 12:37 AM PDT
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PrintI see two moves this off season that could push us over the top for the next 10 years!
1). Trade Jack and # 13th pick to New Jersey for 10th pick.
Rumor has it that the Nets have a liking to Jarrett Jack, and by adding the 13th pick, they still have a shot at a lottery "Big" like DeAndre Jordan. Meanwhile, Portland takes the best player available at the 10th spot with a relistic chance for either Westbrook or Augustin.
2). Trade a combination of Outlaw, Webster, and/or Frye to get Carmelo Anthony.
Rumor has it that Carmelo can be had for the right price. For Portland to get in the mix, we will have to give up on two or three "potentially" very good players down the road for us!
First, why Carmelo? Because he's already an established All Star caliber player. We don't have to wait for him to develop because his game is already there. He is a 25 ppg player that does all the things we wish and hope that Travis and Martell can do someday!
He's only 23 year old but he has been in the league for four years already. His age fits perfect with Brandon and the rest of the team. He has one National Championship under his belt, as an 18 year old freshman, in which he was the key player and the emotional leader of that Syracuse team.
His biggest problem, so far, is that he hasn't been able to duplicate that same success in the NBA! Thing is, who has? Not LeBron, not Koby (w/o Shaq), no Iverson (w/ Carmelo), or Nash, Dirk, McGrady, and on and on!
Of late, there has been questions about Carmelo's character? Yes, he has made two stupid mistakes lately. Again, he is young, and talented, but I wouldn't put him in the knuckle head category of Rasheed, Damon, or Isiah Rider yet. I think the positive influence of Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Blake, Joel, and of course, McMillan and Pritchard, this enviornment would be a perfect place for Carmelo to re-dedicate himself and give us the net results of leap frogging our development to compete for a Western Conference title immediately!
Finally, his game would perfectly compliment this team. His offense would take a tremendous load off Roy's game. Plus, you would see Roy's assist figures climb to regular double digits which would allow Roy to play more PG and also allow more minutes for Rudy at the SG spot (his more natural position).
Take a look of this line up:
1st Team: Blake, Roy, Carmelo, LaMarcus, and Oden
2nd Team: Sergio or NJ 10th pick, Fernandez, Jones, Josh/Freeland, Joel
Plus, you still have LaFrentz expiring contract available for trade or cap relief at the end of the year.
Let's face it, with the addition of Fernandez, this team is in a "playing time" crunch. There isn't going to be enough minutes to go around for everyone. So, we might as well make a move now, while Webster and Outlaw's value is at their highest, and get our Championship core together right now, and go for it!
I would take the "projected" starting five above against anyother team in the NBA next year! Question is, would Denver bite on this trade?
Let me know what you think?
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It would take AT LEAST Aldridge to get Carmelo and probably another guy like Webster or Outlaw. It would be a bad deal for us, plus his fat face reminds me of someone we just got rid of.
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The nuggets get called the thuggets, couse of mello and Denvers willingness to forgo charictor for talent. there IS a reason that he is available. If we go back to signingfor talents without regard to culture, we becoume hipocrites. If we sign any one like mikal vick, mike tyson, sheed, k*be, (anyone who has ever been busted for rape, guns, drugs, been in a no snitching vidio, or bitten the ear off an opponete) zach, or the like, I for one will be done. People stopped going to the games before we started losing, attendance was down when we stopped liking the players, remember? if I dont like you, well.
If you read enough articules, you will find that portland is fast becoming the trend setter in the league with attaining charictor guys. pritchard is seemingly regarded as the best or one of the best gms, becouse of his unwavering effort at devoloping a winning culture and not sacrificing decency for potential. In an interview, he suggested that mayo, altho talented did not likley fit into our plans, and we are not making effort in that direction. not couse we cant, couse we wont. we wont, under KP go back to being the laughing stock of the NBA again.
Now if mello was the kind of guy we wanted, skills notwithstanding, he wouldn’t be available. But if he was, and was, then nice Idea, might work. I’m just not excited about repeating what I percieve to be mistakes.
In KP we trust
"you have long words
they make long writing" ratbastird
Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.
KP IS SUCH A G!
This scenario would NEVER happen. KP isn’t targeting Carmelo. And unlike Whitsit and Patterson he actually has a major in chemistry.
So i must concur, in KP we Trust.
Good one Ptwnblzr i couldn’t agree w/ u more.
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Hello? Hello??
You want Cancerello Anthony on OUR team?? Not in a million years, buddy. Your proposal suggests that you have not been following the Blazers for the past three years.
That guy has one of the worst attitudes in the NBA. He’s in a league with Lamar Odom as far as selfishness, arrogance, laziness, and petulance are concerned.
Winning is everything.
"Let me know what your think?"
I think this is one of the sillier posts I’ve read in a while. For details see all the other postings and I’ll just dogpile on them.
LeBron made it to the Finals by himself
I would call that success.
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jun 10, 2008 9:11 AM PDT reply actions
"player that does all the things we wish and hope that Travis and Martell can do someday!"
Wait… doesn’t Nate want one of them to be our defensive stopper?
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
no offense
but obviously you a.) don’t pay attention to what made us a joke around the league b.) don’t know what character is c.)are just trying to get a lot of comments on your silly post! I’m going with C
how do you get a negative rec?
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
by JTDuck22 on Jun 10, 2008 9:37 AM PDT reply actions -2 recs
No no no no no no no.
Carmello = whiner, quitter, prima donna, lazy defender, dui getter. Don’t need him, don’t want him.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Melo?
are you from around here, sir?
Hubie Brown is my Idol.
by BigCelPhone on Jun 10, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
Chucker
Melo’s takes a lot of shots to get his points. I don’t think we want or need a guy like that on our team, Our strength last year was our team chemistry.
JRogero
I think it's awesome
that someone thinks Carmelo would be traded for Webster, Outlaw, and maybe Frye too if Denver puts the screws to us.
Don’t get me wrong, I like those guys, but even if Denver “doesn’t want” Carmelo, I am quite confident that they would want more for one of the top 5 scorers in the league, even if his is a head case who doesn’t play D.
Uhhhhggg !!
He’s too much of a prima donna. He doesn’t play defense and he CHUCKS.
We have our scorers in Roy & Smooth. They can score, but are unselfish.
Add GO to board, secure the middle and throwdown, then fill it in with our other
current pieces and …. Rings, Rings, Rings.
It's GO time !
Seriously Rip
Proposing another Jarrett Jack trade isn’t particularly original, but what the hey. You could be bored and just vocalizing one of your fantasy deals. Sites like this exist in part for that.
But and it’s a huge but, where did you come up with the Anthony idea? That is just wrong on so many levels (as you should be able to see from all the responses). There is nothing about Carmelo Anthony that recommends him to the Blazers.
You guys are way too down on Melo.
He needs to improve his defense and continue to mature his game (which is happening, he’s better every year), but he’s a legit scoring threat. Denver is going to rue the day they decided to deal Melo instead of Iverson.
He gets way too much of the blame for Denver’s topping out at first round exits. They don’t have the right pieces around him at all.
But yeah, those trade ideas are pretty unrealistic. Melo would take more than just LMA to get, and I’m not sure that would make sense for us. Still, unlike yall, I’d think long and hard about passing up a legitimate top 10 guy in the league being offered on the open market; that doesn’t happen very often.
And I'm really not sure where the "chucker" stuff is coming from.
Melo’s very efficient for a wing. Last season – 49% from the field, 35% from the 3. 25 points on 19 attempts.
Brandon Roy: 45% from the field, 34% from the 3. 19 points on 16 attempts.
by howlingfantods on Jun 10, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He may be top 10 in terms of scoring
but he is nowhere near top 10 in terms of helping his team win.
They did win 50 games
which is 5 more than LeBron won…
Exactly which SFs in the league do folks think are so much better than Melo besides LeBron? I personally like Caron, JHoward, Prince, and Granger a little since I prefer two way guys at SF, but these guys aren’t even close to the same class offensively. Bron and Melo are the only SFs in the league that you can build your team around, Caron, JHo, Prince, Granger, Paul Pierce, those guys are second or third options.
Problem with Nuggets is that Caron and AI don’t mesh, they’ve got a huge huge hole at PG, they don’t have good post man defense (Camby’s a help defender, not good at man defense), and they just don’t have enough size. Martin’s a small PF, Camby is a very small C. I’ve got major issues with the coaching there, too.
Yeah, Melo might be a little overrated by the press/fans at large, but yall are taking it too far in the other direction. He’s a very good player, and yall are ascribing things to him that just aren’t true. Work ethic? He’s improved far too much since he’s come into the league for me to believe that he doesn’t put a ton of time and effort into improving his game.
by howlingfantods on Jun 10, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What has Melo done
to warrant the comment “Bron and Melo are the only SFs in the league that you can build your team around”? Since the Nuggets drafted Melo in 2003, they’ve won 50 games or more one time (this year—precisely 50), and that came only after Denver traded for a future Hall-of-Fame SG to play alongside him. Melo’s never taken his team out of the first round of the playoffs. Melo’s a constant off-the-court distraction. Melo’s immaturity, lack of rebounding, and lack of focus on other aspects of the game besides scoring has been criticized by his own coach. If you’d build around Melo, between you and me, that makes one of us.
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 11, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
So now George Karl is the voice of God?
That dude has been a joke for years, it always astonishes me how much the press protects him. And whatever, coaches criticize their stars all the time. Phil Jackson wrote a whole book criticizing Kobe a few years ago, doesn’t mean Kobe sucks. Just another motivational tool, and Karl’s notorious for throwing his players under the bus.
Lack of rebounding? He got 7.4 per game last year.
The reason you can build around Melo is because he’s the second best SF in the league. He’s a legit 25 ppg scorer (was 30 ppg last year before they got AI to split shots with him). He scores efficiently and can be counted on in crunchtime.
In this league, you find your dominant scorers and build your team around them by finding pieces that fit your star. The problem is that his team doesn’t fit him. You’d never look at him and think, “I think what we need is a ball-hog 6 foot tall SG who’ll take half the shot attempts and who can’t guard anyone on the perimeter to put next to him, and have a series of NBDL PGs to put next to that undersized SG. and we won’t bother getting any good spot up shooters to take advantage of all the attention Melo gets in the post.”
shrug I dunno why I bother defending how good other players are on other teams on this site. Doesn’t seem like folks know what to look for. I did it six months ago when folks were talking smack about Pau Gasol, and I pointed out that he’s a very good player surrounded with bad pieces that didn’t fit. He’s looking pretty damn quality on the Lakers now, isn’t he?
Tell you all what; when Melo gets into the finals next year with the Pistons, I promise not to tell you guys “told you so.”
by howlingfantods on Jun 11, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah
melo has great work ethic and trys hard when he is at practice, that is not in question. Melos a great scorer, not in question. Its the tons of articles, youtube videos of him punching someone on a team brawl that he was not even engaged with, then literaly running from them. Taking a small role in a “Stop Snitching” video produced by the local gang and drugdealers. Being arrested with drugs on his person. being arrested wile drinking and driving, I think I’ve even seen an article that discussed 2 different times the team bus cought on fire, from the inside. What were they doing? were they using a tourch on a crackpipe and zoned off? Were they cold? Were they really hungry for hotdogs? I dont know, but if you lie down with dogs you rise up with flees, so i through that last one in there, and Melos the dog. This is a lot, and its only what I havent missed.
I think this is why people are so quickly dismissing the Melo idea. This is also why melo is available.
Now KP wes the only one given credit for wanting to draft Paul, and the majority of us just might be wrong too. So don’t stop trying to air what you belive to be right just couse others disagree. we wouldnt be hear if every body did that.
"you have long words
they make long writing" ratbastird
Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.
*shrug*
I don’t think Melo’s a scrub. Obviously, he’s a very good player. But IMO he’s a one-dimensional player. I partially retract my comment about his lack of rebounding, cuz his numbers were way up this year over his career averages, but 8.1/40 really isn’t all that impressive to me for a player of his physical ability. And if you think Melo’s a good rebounder, then you surely feel that Frye is otherworldly, as Frye’s rebound rate per 40 mins blows Melo’s out of the water. Just sayin’.
Even if Melo is the second-best SF in the league (a claim I strongly dispute, but for the sake of argument let’s just say that’s true) how is that a recommendation to build around him? When was the last time a team won a championship building around the second-best SF in the league? Has that ever happened?
He's an AWESOME scorer: one of the most efficient in the league. That's beyond reproach. But does he make his teammates better? I'd say no, based on his assist numbers (low considering his usage rate) and the Nuggets' lack of team success with Anthony as the man. He doesn't defend, or at the least doesn't have the reputation of defending. And to top it off he's immature on and off the court.It’s possible that some folks might be looking for more than “puts the ball in the basket efficiently” when they talk about how good other players may or may not be….
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 11, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Should read
He’s an AWESOME scorer: one of the most efficient in the league. That’s beyond reproach. But does he make his teammates better? I’d say no, based on his assist numbers (low compared to his usage rate) and the Nuggets’ lack of team success with Melo as the man. He doesn’t play defense, or at least he doesn’t have the reputation of playing defense. And to top it off he’s immature on and off the court. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t take him on my team; just means I wouldn’t build around him. No team with Carmelo Anthony as its centerpiece will ever win an NBA title.
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 11, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because
someone might not be a building block for a championship team does not mean that they’re a bad player. There’s maybe 5 players in the league that you build around as the focal point for a championship team. The rest of the teams have to go for a Pistons style high overall quality despite not having a superstar.
I’m extremely interested in the following players: Josh Howard, Danny Granger, Tay Prince, Devin Harris, Chance Billups. None of those guys are the focal point for a championship team either.
I’m not saying we should be going after him—as I said above, I don’t think we could get him for a price that would make sense for us, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a very good player and folks here are being unfairly dismissive of him. Considering how ridiculously enthusiastic folks are here for Jose Calderon, a much much lesser player than Melo and even worse on defense at a more key position than Melo is at a less important position defensively, I really wonder what the fan reaction around here means.
by howlingfantods on Jun 11, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It meen we dont like his extra caricular activities
ie charictor.
"you have long words
they make long writing" ratbastird
Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.
I agree with everything you just said
I think it was cuz you changed the initial point I disagreed with. :) Deliberately or without realizing it I’m not sure. I don’t think Melo’s a bad player at all, as I stated several times above. If you look back at the development of this sub-thread, you’ll see that you started off arguing that you can build your team around Anthony, which is the only point you made about him to which I took umbrage. I don’t think he’s good enough for that, second-best SF in the league or not. So does you saying, “just because somebody might not be a building block for a championship team does not mean they’re a bad player” mean that you don’t believe anymore than you can build around Anthony?
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 12, 2008 4:01 AM PDT up reply actions
A guy you build around
and a guy you build around for a championship team are two completely different things, I guess was kind of my point.
Most NBA teams don’t win championships. Even some very very good teams don’t win championships. The Nash Suns, the Barkley Suns, the Stockton Malone Jazz, the Drexler Blazers, the Robinson Spurs (when they won, they were the Duncan Spurs). These teams weren’t failures and it wasn’t a mistake to build around them—these were fantastic fun teams that brought their fanbases lots of joy (albeit some heartbreak as well). Maybe these guys were better suited as secondary guys (Drexler at Houston, Robinson as second fiddle to Duncan). Maybe these guys as fantastic as they were were just a little worse than someone who was even more fantastic.
So when I say a guy you can build around, that means you can build a successful, winning team with Melo as your focal point. You can’t build a successful winning team with like Tayshaun Prince or Danny Granger or Jose Calderon as your focal points, those guys can only be supporting cast.
As far as the character stuff, this minor DUI or possessions stuff doesn’t bother me that much as long as it doesn’t affect quality of performance and/or becomes a distraction. Melo obviously has run afoul of the law too many times now, and I imagine any team that acquires him will make a point of coming up with strategies to avoid these sorts of incidents. But it’s not like he’s a rapist or murderer, I wouldn’t have any problems cheering for a guy who’s been popped by the law for things I and 75% of the country used to do at his age.
by howlingfantods on Jun 12, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Bill Simmons in one of his better thoughts
said something about how the worst trades in NBA history have always been when a panicking GM sends off a superstar at his peak for reasons completely unrelated to on-court production. We’ve got something even stupider here. Melo is already a top player, but he’s still improving and he just turned 24, he’s still several years from his peak.
Yall realize that he’s two months older than Brandon Roy, four months older than Trout, and a year younger than Jarrett Jack?
by howlingfantods on Jun 12, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I see
I understand your differentiation now. That was a clear and interesting distinction to draw, thanks.
by BlazersOrBust on Jun 12, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
My ulcers have worsened
Anybody mention his 3 TOs a game from the SF spot?
James Jones for the block
Lol.
Travis and Frye to get a starting Allstar? That is not happening.
Boston coach Doc Rivers said he was surprised by the firing of Saunders.
"I don't understand it," Rivers said. "It makes coaching not fun."
Nike and USA Basketball
If character is such a big issue with Carmelo, why is Nike selling a basketball shoe with his name on it, AND; why is USA Basketball have him representing our country on what will be TWO Olympic teams and one World Team?
Unless, you guys opposed to Carmelo aren’t going to support our U.S. Olympic team either?
You guys are getting too emotional! It’s about basketball and winning multiple title. Once he steps on the court, Carmelo is an ELITE basketball player. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be chosen by “so called” expert personel guys for the Olympic teams. They want him on those teams for his scoring! Why wouldn’t we want him on our team for the exact same reason!
I’m not dismissing his past problems but the make up of this Blazer team is different. Our team leaders are strong character guys who now direct this team. Carmelo won’t change our team. Our team will change Carmelo.
And, a Carmelo Anthony with his head on straight, can take this team to the top faster than waiting to see if Outlaw and Webster will become a “poor mans” version of Carmelo?
Try to get out of your bias and look at this as a talent basis only! How could you not want to add Carmelo (based on talent) to this team?
Talent only based decisions...
didn’t do much for the team in the long run. I don’t care so much about his off court issues (if there are any) as I don’t like his play on the court. He seems to play well when things are looking good but when the pressure is on and his team needs him, he doesn’t come through.
I have appreciated his play for Team USA recently and of course I would pull for him in that setting. He seemed more focused on team play than when playing for the Nuggets.
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On a talent basis only
yah I would looooove Melo, but its not.
Ok, first point, Nike is not a bastion of virtious ethic. I dont know if those words fit together as well as I think they do, but I kinda like them. Oh, and I don’t support Nike, don’t own a thing that sais Nike on it.
Thats good for him that he made the olympic team, and mabee for us. It just shows (imo) that the world is truly not a perfect place. It is VERY american that he made the team, again imo.
People are emotional, its nature. thats why we say things like “I looove this team”, or “I’m excited to go to the game”, or oh my god, I’m so sad we lost that game. Thats a huge part of why we watch. Sports are a safe way to expirence emotionsal drama, a distraction, you know, kinda like movies. Puttin a ring on melo would kinda be like having kids with brittny spears, good chance for bad, and I kinda like my movies feal goodish, seen enough of the horror, or emotionaly vamp-ear-i-tick(just made it up-sound it out) for one decade.
Off to the side with no other place to put it. The remake of the Blazers is infact affecting the league. Other teams are starting to care about “charictor” now. the Blazers are being prazed for there choice in seperating from zach, among other personel decisions. This could move into a whole new fan post on this subjuct and how the industrie and consummers are reacting to ingame, oncourt brawles with players and paying customers, dogfighting(biggie) drugs, and various distracting offcourt problems. Probably in the same fanpost one could reserch what percentage of championship teams were burdened with distracting scandal and roster heavey with guys you wouldn’t want with your daughter at 2am. I’m sure there would be an example or two. I know portland has never been short on talent.
“I’m not dismissing his past problems but the make up of this Blazer team is different.” wich is why there are people that don’t want him, skills not withstanding. This Blazer team is different becouse we dont have guys like him on the team.
“Carmelo won’t change our team.” I honestly dont see a scoring champ and allstare TRYING to defer to Roy. and you cant tell me that adding hot sause, or bellpeppers, or whatever wont change the flavoer, it will. This is not Reeces, 2 great taste do not allways go great together. we are not pregnant(this is Just a joke). There is a reason why an unbelivably, indevidually talented team like the Nuggets, is not Really winning and consequently blowing up the roster. In a word CHEMISTRY. The sum of the parts is greater then the whole, Nuggets, Knicks, Bulls, ect. The whole is greater then the sum of its parts, BLAZERS, yayah. If we added Melo it would most certianly affect our TEAM. Oh yah I don’t think Mello would change either, I agree with you on that one. He just thinks he is too cool for that, he wants to be a gangster, or so he makes it seem with his actions.
Yah melo on court is better then Travis and for sure Martell too, but please see above paragraph.
Now with a strictly talent base team, Melos better, but this is TEAM basketball, and chemestry cannot be removed from the equation.
"you have long words
they make long writing" ratbastird
Celtics over the L*kers, lesser of the 2 evils. But not by much.
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