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how bout them lakers...making me pull for each opponent to beat their...what's going on with all these off topic posts...why do i prefer the old format on this site better.  why aren't people writing geat diaries anymore...

It,s because we're good, what's there to complain about except jack and sergio?  nothing else really.  how many months until next season starts? 6 and a half.  ok people, your posts that are non basketball related belong somewhere else,  where i don't care start a new site.  this site is for fans of the blazers, not tominhawaii's ramblings about life. nor does anyone care about martell's grandma's white hat Are you kidding me....ok i'll calm it a bit, but really does anyone here have the credentials to honestly tell whether rudyF will be successful in the NBA?  we can hope as i do and watch dkv highlights but cmon people, lets not jump to any conclusions.  at least after the lottery we can talk draft and read scouting reports but until then we got the playoffs.  You all should be scouting the remaining teams as they are our competition.  Utah's letting me down tremendously,,,too many jump shots.  We're gonna need our point guard to be able to guard.

-tony parker, chris paul, deron  williams, and derric rose

we're gonna need someone( forward/guard it doesn't matter which) who can guard

-Lebron James

who else should we consider that will be a threat over the next ten years?

and finally,,,personally i pul for sergio but jack seems more logical as he can guard cp3 and dwill quite well actually but no point guard will truly become great until nate hands over the reigns,,,not meaning that he leaves rather he justs let them play, ala phil jackson, kobe michael, Pat Riley, magic, wade, Chuck Daly, isiah, dumars
. Greg Popovich, parker ginobili and duncan. Ya'll get where i am going.  I think it can happen .  Firs't someones needs to step up next to Brandon and take the ball to the hole.

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Basketball? I thought this site was about sport coats!

But onto your “basketball” related questions and comments.

but really does anyone here have the credentials to honestly tell whether rudyF will be successful in the NBA?

Not even the magical KP knows that for sure, but in my expert opinion: Without a doubt. Want a second opinion? Read myemic23’s signature. Just because we have none of these “credential” things doesn’t mean that we cant voice our opinion, no matter how off the wall it is. Otherwise, I would have nothing to say, and neither would anyone else.

We’re gonna need our point guard to be able to guard.

-tony parker, chris paul, deron williams, and derric rose

I don’t think anyone can guard those guys. Except Gary Payton in his prime, but would he fit our culture if we had a time machine? But I am also confused on your list. Why would Derrick Rose need to guard himself? Wouldn’t that be counter productive?

we’re gonna need someone( forward/guard it doesn’t matter which) who can guard

-Lebron James

If Bruce Bowen can’t guard him, who would you suggest? I mean, James even avoids the foot-in-the-landing-spot trick.

no point guard will truly become great until nate hands over the reigns,,,not meaning that he leaves rather he justs let them play

Based on what, exactly? It’s not like we’ve had a good point guard who would have become great so far. Blake and Jack are decent, and Sergio is more mercurial than Jack (brief periods of awesomeness followed by much messiness). But the point guard situation will change, as you will see in about 12 more days.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 5:41 AM PDT   0 recs

Whoa grumpy gus

Part of the reason I come here is because the community makes me laugh, not just to endlessly dissect if Jack will ever figure out to quit stepping out of bounds with the ball (no) or if we need to trade Raef, McBob, and two second-rounders for LeBron (hate to give up that cap space, but a reluctant yes). If you don’t like reading the OT diaries…well, heck, it says so right there in the title. Just don’t read ‘em.

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 7:33 AM PDT   0 recs

the Bedge would be a far more boring place

if it wasn’t for tom’s ramblings.

by DrivetheLane on May 8, 2008 8:16 AM PDT   0 recs

I know what you need ...

A “Jump to Conclusions Mat.” It’s a mat where you can jump to conclusions. You need one of these. I shall send you one.

by bfan on May 8, 2008 9:25 AM PDT   0 recs

BTW ...

Are you Fatty? “Fatty” ... “Midget” ... both referring to abnormal size ratio of the human form … Both lacking any sense of punctuation or general direction to your posts …

Dave, is there some way to verify my hypothesis here?

by bfan on May 8, 2008 9:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My first thought was "Fatty using space bar".

I take it easy. Let him express himself and his feelings. The Universe is enourmous out there. Zero atmosphere.

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 8, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chuck Swirsky leaving Toronto for a job

with the Bulls. Just thought you guys would like to keep tabs on that knucklehead.

by tweener on May 8, 2008 10:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Oh, great.

Now he’ll vote for whoever Chicago picks over PTB’s Derrick Rose in the Rookie of the Year voting.

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on May 8, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem is not in having Derrick Rose.

But with three ROY candidates in Rose, Rudy and Oden, who do you choose? It certainly wont be unanimous. Swirsky’s vote for Chase Budinger wont even get noticed.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Onions, baby, onions!

Get out salamy and cheese mama, this Diary is over!

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 8, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure what you just said.

But it’s still more intelligible than half of what I write.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chuck Swirsky´s expresions during games.

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 8, 2008 2:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmmmm.....

The idia of adding basketball, or more to the point of following the playoffs with the BE comunity is….GREAT!!
The way in witch this message was transmitted…...hmmm….
“why aren’t people writing geat diaries anymore…” If i believe that something is missing, i might become frustrated with the others that I blame, (becoming hostal{i kant spel}) I might decide to give up and leave becouse I am not getting what I want, further contributing to the lack there of. Or, I might bring what I find missing, saticefying others with the same needs(I know they are out there), and simply be the leader I am looking for.
I am in sales, and the product I sell changes lives, but I am treated with much sceptism, to be VERY kind. It is not the person who you are selling the (in this case) idia to respnsibility, to be available and prepared to recieve it, the responsibility lies instead with the presenter. If the idiea is important, then you have the responsibility to think ahead, to create a situation in witch the idia will be most likely to be accepted.
I have found it dificult to shame others into followinging my will, when for them theres seams quite just. esample…”i don’t care start a new site. this site is for fans of the blazers, not tominhawaii’s ramblings about life. nor does anyone care about martell’s grandma’s white hat Are you kidding me”
These people are enjoyed by this comunity, my self included. I mean I enjoy them 2. Any post with the (OT) heading will be Off Topic.
“does anyone here have the credentials to honestly tell whether…...” then, “no point guard will truly become great until nate hands over the reigns,,,” this assertive claim leeds me to think that you have the qualifications, or at least that you think you do.
Me, I really want the Spurs to just stop cris paul, please no ring for him in new orleans. I heard that there owner has publicly declared that he would never give a max contract. does any know anything about this, links?

In the NBA, on the other hand, the vast majority of NBA championships are won by teams led by a player who would be considered the best player in the league at the time, or among the top three players in the league at the time.

CP3+ODEN=DYNASTY

As the great Vonnegut said, more or less... "You are what you pretend to be, so you must be very careful what you pretend to be."

by timbo on Apr 29, 2008 7:33 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on May 8, 2008 11:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Okay... there was a good point that was brought up guys

That is… why aren’t we scouting the enemies? Analyze the boys in the play-offs. What are their strengths and weaknesses and how can the blazers take them off and counter them…

Oh crud… that’s too advanced for me.

Where’s this Tom blog you speak of? I think I musts go and hangs over there for a bit. I hope they have bBQ!

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 11:51 AM PDT   0 recs

oh yeah

I also have the credentials.

I drew them up in crayon myself.

Rudy will be awesome as will the finland kid.

If this upsets you, feel free to let your hair down and come on over to Tom’s. I hear he’s having a BBQ to celebrate Jscot’s release from jail. I heard this because it’s what I just told myself, so better hit him up while the rumor is fresh!

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 11:54 AM PDT   0 recs

go watch some Rudy

The first link is Highlight of Rudy’s Team as a whol and the second is Rudy highlights only.

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/614
http://acbtv.acb.com/video/618

Watching the team highlights it is easy to see how Rudy will love playing with Roy Oden and Aldridge. The Blazers are going to be one nasty team (but this time in a good way).

by NWfan on May 8, 2008 12:11 PM PDT   0 recs

i kinda like my nasty in the bad way

Ask around. You’ll start hearing about rumors girlfriends who like basketballs and spurs…

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It wasn't mine

it was someone quoting me and it was COMPLETELY accidental in it’s double entendre when I said it. The spurs were a team I rather liked and watched with the forming of the Jailblazers and this particular girl was a fan of spurs and blazers as well. As you can see I don’t capitalize all the time…

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Grow up midget

heh… get it?

by Sabonis4Ever on May 8, 2008 12:25 PM PDT   0 recs

I like OT subjects

like if Mel Gibson where a basket ball player what team would he play for?

"The next day in practice, if you sweat, it's going to come out of your pores, regardless. If you ask any coach around the league how many times they have smelled liquor on a player . . . As long as that player is showing up on time, doing the drills and running, that's part of it. But there have been times, yeah. Yeah, you probably smelled liquor on me. But it's not like I'm at practice drunk. I'm totally focused."
-Darius Miles

by Steve Guttenberg on May 8, 2008 12:25 PM PDT   0 recs

The vikings

I picture him as a viking but when I think of him I think of the south park episode he was in and he would have looked GREAT with a viking hat.

so yeah, we’d need to create a new team.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't Ramble

There would be a lot less off topic converstaions if the Blazers made the playoffs. Maybe you should write an angry letter to Nate or KP for failing to make the playoffs, and making Blazers Edge boring for you.

How many more discussions about our small forwards and point guards, would you like to read each day? Maybe we should go after a small forward from Atlanta, or a point guard from New Jersey or Toronto.

Where do I sign up for Blazers Edge credentials?

"Show some respect to this living legend, this hall of famer...Arvydas Sabonis." - Bill Walton

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 12:46 PM PDT   0 recs

People just aren't happy with:

One current All-Star.
Two potential other All-Stars.
Three potential Hall of Famers.
One Olympic worthy coach.
Two potential sixth man of the year.
Tho potential rookie of the year.
The best player in Europe.
The best player in last years draft.
Front office who knows what they are doing and gives a damn.
Cap space galore.
Rabid fan base.
Intelligent, humorous, sexy online following.

Some people just gotta complain, and you are an easy target.

(what do i do with the plural there? its not sixth men of the year)

by Sabonis4Ever on May 8, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes...

but i want CHAMPIONSHIP

until then it’s all the dream and so we tweak and tweak and tweak.

Gosh… when we win the championship… I’m not sure what I’ll have left to hope for! How SAD!!!

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another championship silly

I'm going to have to let you go. Too much flax seed in my morning shake.

by oderiferous emanations 74 on May 9, 2008 12:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Make an accompanying noun plural instead.

Two sixth-man-of-the year candidates.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 1:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Im happy with it

and cant wait until next season begins, which feels like an eternity…

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 8, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

plural

Yes, you would say “two potential sixth men of the year.”

Or perhaps, “two ‘sixth man of the year’ candidates.”

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on May 9, 2008 12:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can make more if you like

I have plenty of wax in these here crayons left!

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want to read seven of each

every day. Now get your entertainingly offbeat writing style the heck out of Dodge, cowboy. We don’t cotton to your kind here.

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 2:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Midget

Its already been said throughout the season and afterwards, saying things like: We need a steve nash style point guard except with lock-down defense or: we need a defender who can shut down LBJ, are being more than ridiculous. You may not like the OT diaries, but at the same time, what you are asking for is OT masquerading as basketball discussion. We are not now nor ever going to have either of those players: someone who can shut down LBJ nor a guard who is equally as good as Ime on the defense and Nash on the offense. Atleast Tom has the sense to put OT by his diaries, maybe you should write FL (Fantasy Land) by yours.

(Woody)

by TheOdenator on May 8, 2008 1:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Fantasy land is awesome

you can eat ice cream all day and never get fat. and also… chocolate brownies… and those creme filled éclairs…

In other words, all the food I refuse to purchase now because it wouldn’t last 30 minutes in my house.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That stuff doesn't make you fat!

Oh, wait. Clarification from my wife just came in. Apparently you’re right.

That explains why I’ve gained so much weight.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

See

YOu definitely need a trip to fantasy land. You can dunk like jordan, talk like sean Connery and look like brad pitt. Hopefully you won’t smell like brad pit though. I heard he stinks.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 2:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I always wanted to be athletic, British and hot.

Or was that what my wife wanted me to be. As long as I keep those things muddled, my marriage will be fine. I think.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 2:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like fantasy land.

Does it have a fantasy band camp?

by bfan on May 8, 2008 2:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why?

don’t tell me you’re going to play the trumpet.

That scene was disturbing and had me laughing so hard I cried.

I’m really just a little boy inside.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 2:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow have I offended

everyone? good. sheep I say, you’re all sheep. just playing. do you not respect an opinion that’s different from yours. I too have watched every game and think Clyde Drexler is a Bum. Oops, did that slip out. seriously people, post your off-topics somewhere else. How bout the Lakers blog. Ruin their site for a change

uwe blab

by midget on May 8, 2008 1:39 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't know about offended.

Most people, like me, have used this post as an opportunity to have some fun at your expense. And as long as we are having fun, I say BAA! BAA to the world! Without off-topic stuff, how would we know what on-topic is? Actually, I’m still not sure.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 1:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Without darkness there is no light?

And without evil there is no good? Was that Aquinan philosophy?

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 3:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On a more serious note,

I’m not sure how the claim that we do not respect different opinions can be sustained at all. Disagreement doesn’t equal lack of respect. That we even engage them at all means that they matter to us. You matter to us Midget. We love you, man!

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

debate is good

If i have to be serious, i’ll support this.

I don’t mind being shown I’m wrong on this site, because I learn. Knowledge is good and yummy and delicious and while not as tasty as ice cream, it has less calories.

Also, I love hearing people say those wonderful fabulous words… “you were right”

Unfortunately the only thing i seem to be pretty right about are the blazers wins each year and then i’m only a game off if not right on.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

saying you were right

is always easier then saying I was wrong

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 8, 2008 6:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's also more positive

focus on the good instead of the bad
That’s the way to do it, it’s not just a fad.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you but still sometimes

you have to be able to say ” I was wrong” otherwise you can look like a disengenious jester… but you are right

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Drexler IS a bum

totally agree.

If only all players could be like Zach… Zach… he’s a lego maniac!

and legos are WAY cool in my book!

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and to copy TD

I will post twice as well and join him in his BAAA BAAAAAAAAA because i’m sheepish like that. Color me white and call me curly.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bedgers production on topic is 8 times higher

than any other NBA blog I´ve visited, when it it not 20 times higher. We have been doing from 10-20 fanposts per day in regular seson to 4-9 in plaoffs. And all the subjects you mentioned have been posted here many times. You are welcome to do some good diaries on topic too.

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 8, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

is complaining about posts that are not on topic

on topic?

Does this mean he’s off topic? Should he then take this post and post it in the lakers blog?

Or maybe he DID do that because he’s a laker fan and they told him to come here…

Wow… this logic is truly dizzying. Either that or the allergy medicine is having a really nice effect.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa

And we’re all responding ON-topic to his off-topic diary about diaries being off-topic…so does being on-topic about off-topic negate the…man, I feel like this is the first time I saw factorials drawn out all over again.

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 2:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Norman, coordinate

its like that Star Trek (TOS) when Kirk befuddled the andriod by admitting everything spoken is a lie, to which he added “I am lying.” Some riddles just cant be solved. Hope smoke isnt coming out of your ears Midge

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 8, 2008 7:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Where as real people would have just concluded...

that Kirk is an idiot. Some of us didn’t even need the riddle.

I think I might use this line in the future.

Fanpost: “Who will the Blazers trade?”
T Darkstar: “Captain Kirk is an idiot.”

It would probably make more sense than most of my posts.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Shatner was a bad actor

not an idiot… well… not until he began singing

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 8, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have nothing against William.

Sometimes he can even be pretty funny. I was just trying to get the Kirkites up in arms with my inflammatory speeches. Ironically they all start yelling at me in Klingon. The Klingons HATED Kirk! They just don’t get it. (sigh)

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 7:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm more of a picard man myself

Kirk got more girls, but picard had more style. He just turned the girls down behind the scenes.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 7:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My best is Spock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt990ihmwn0

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 9, 2008 1:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

kapla

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 8, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey now

Shatner’s rendition of Rocketman was epic. Near the top of the list on whatever list you want to make that’s a variation of “so bad it’s good.” if you don’t know what i’m talking about, youtube it. (youtube is a verb now, like google). Also, those Priceline ads are beginning to grow on me.

by DrivetheLane on May 8, 2008 9:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That... would be awesome.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 8, 2008 7:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not offended.

And after reading this comment, neither am I impressed.

by timg56 on May 9, 2008 6:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's just a trolling for the loving

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 9, 2008 6:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if i don't have the skills to tell if Rudy will succeed

do I have the skills to scout other teams? I think the Blazers pay some people to do that.

by Section323 on May 8, 2008 2:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Dang your Vulcan logic all to heck!

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Vulcan Shmulcan!

Are you kidding me? Sect doesn’t need to adopt anyone elses logic. She is that most logical of all beings, a woman.

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 9, 2008 2:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Logical? yes

Good drivers? no

by Sabonis4Ever on May 9, 2008 3:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs