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The Small Forward Quandary

There are two positions on this team that people almost universally acclaim as unsettled.  Point Guard has evoked a ton of visceral discussion in the past year compared to the other: small foward.  It seems clear that this will be one of the crucial decisions to be made in the next year and a half.

The candidates so far:

Travis Outlaw:  A gifted leaper and explosive scorer who is better at getting his own shot than anyone on the team outside of Brandon Roy himself.  He's a career 44% shooter who has recently developed a couple semi-consistent moves and range out to the three-point arc.  His rebounding would be good for a small foward.  His help defense can be good at times but his individual defense and understanding of the game are still raw.  Without the ball in his hands and a green light he's far less effective.  There's some question whether he's a power foward or small foward but he shows the most promise of any of the candidates and his stats have generally increased season-by-season.

Martell Webster:  A good three-point shooter with athleticism.  He's been working on improving his defense, rebounding, and overall shooting with some success.  He tallied career highs in shooting and three-point shooting this year but his career percentage is low for a shooter.  He could have a ton of upside.  He has trouble creating off the dribble and this may never be a strength.  When plays are run for him he's often deadly but when he has to improvise he struggles.

James Jones:  A veteran three-point specialist who spreads a defense with the mere rumor of his presence.  His distance shooting is unparalleled on the team (and nearly in the league).  He's also smart and experienced enough to be in the right place at the right time.  He knows how to get his shots.  He has yet to produce consistently in a full NBA season.  He lacks the athletic prowess of the other two.  When he's not hitting threes his intimidation factor goes way down but he is less susceptable to bottoming out than the other two are.  He also has far less upside.

Somebody Else On the Team:  Do Brandon Roy or Rudy Fernandez have the ability, athleticism, size, and desire to play here?  Would that be better for the team in the long run?

Somebody Else Entirely:  Have we yet to sign our starting small foward?  Is some of that cap room in 2009 earmarked for a free agent at this position?  If so, whom?  Or...are we drafting our small foward of the future with our (hopefully) final lottery pick for a while?  Again...whom?

Here are the questions:

1.  Which one of these options will be our starting small forward of the future?

2.  What happens to the remaining options already on our team?  Will they be back-ups or play at other positions?  Will they be cut or traded?

3.  What qualities are we looking for in a small forward exactly?  Again, people seem to have pretty definite opinions about the kind of point guard we need.  Is there a general consensus about small forward as well?

Have at it.

--Dave

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Plenty of options

1. I think Martell actually has the best shot (possibly James Jones…). Travis Outlaw, if he stays (and I hope he does), I think is better suited to being a sparkplug off the bench. They could possibly bring in someone else, and to be honest, I could see them trading for a point guard this summer and then using the leftover cap space next summer to consider a small forward upgrade (consider is the key word there).

2. There is no way that in two seasons all three of these players remain on the roster (unless of course we determine that Travis is in fact a power forward- a decision I would question at this point). Each of three is too talented to be 11th or 12th men. As much as I hate to provoke ann and sabonis, I fear that Travis is the odd man out as bait for a point guard- I hope not, but that is the way I see it rolling.

by The Graduate on May 7, 2008 11:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

trading Outlaw seems like an overeaction. With Rudy and Oden coming in next year it is very likely that we can get by without trading Outlaw or Webster.

Westbrook might be enough and he could be had for Jack.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on May 8, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am provoked!

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 8, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If looks could kill.

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by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trout is Vulcan !!!

I say we wait until he has fully developed the “Mind Meld” technique.

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by BlueBooYay on May 11, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instant defense off the bench.

Josh Childress would be an upgrade. We don’t need a superstar, we need a super role player. He has an inhuman 57% field goal shooting average, great offensive rebounding skills, and near perfect defense. It would be hard to find a better role player than Josh Childress.

I take comfort in the fact that Martell Webster has improved every single year. By the time he is 30 he should be the perfect fit for this team.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on May 8, 2008 12:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, come on

He’s only 21. If he bumps up his shooting percentages (both 3pt and overall) by 2% again next year he’ll be solid, if he gains 2% the year after, he’ll be excellent at the age of 23.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on May 8, 2008 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Childress

What would it take to get him?

by jamon51 on May 8, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You realize Childress is the same player as when he was drafted, right?

I’ll take an improving 21 year old over a pretty good, though stagnant older guy who can’t hit 3s.

by bfan on May 9, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SF with Rudy and Roy backcourt...

This does not immediately pertain to the specific questions that Dave asked, but I think it factors in to the small forward quandry. One of our biggest concerns with a Roy and Rudy backcourt is the ability to defend quicker point guards. I remember back in the old Phoenix-San Antonio series, Phoenix had Marion guard Parker and San Antonio had Bowen guard Nash with some success. Likewise, the Spurs are now trying (with much less success) to contain Paul with Bruce Bowen.

Back to the subject at hand: if in fact we use a starting backcourt of Rudy and Roy, perhaps we would want a longer and laterally quicker small forward (none of whom exists on the roster currently) to match up on those quick (Paul, Nash, Parker, etc,) or oversized point guards (DW, Billups, etc.). Just throwing that out there, what do you guys think?

by The Graduate on May 8, 2008 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

We don’t really need a super defender PG as long as we have some other guys who can step up and stop the other teams smaller guards. The Hornets have done a great job of this on Parker.

I think Oden will help make our SF look good, but it would still be nice to have another defender on the floor.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on May 8, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is a position

where there shouldn’t be any change…..unless something mind-blowing arises of course. they’re all still relatively young, let em grow, see who and what works for another year. the main concern is who is going to guard d will and c paul for the next 10 years? throw in d rose as well. honestly, jack isn’t that bad a defender, so far, he’s played them well. he seriously stepped up to skinner too, and i haven’t seen a blazer do that for a while (not since joel). i say keep him for another year as well, unless…of course,,,something mind-blowing arises

uwe blab

by midget on May 8, 2008 12:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Pritchard hinted at being able to just let the game come to him, that with his pieces he dosent have to be agressive, that his phone would ring tomarrow. the fealling was that if another team was able to lure him in to a deal he could not refuse, he would play, but that he probably would not trade just to trade. in an interview with his assistant it was mentioned about the possibility of having a lot of cap room in 09, and that would allow the blazers to be a real player. at the time of the interview, it sounded like they were going over all the possibilities of who will be available then. if no one shows up offering something rediculas, we just might wait. I mean, if we were just now drafting rudy and oden, we would be retarded excited, but since we allready have them, we kinda take it for granted. I hope we wait.

In the NBA, on the other hand, the vast majority of NBA championships are won by teams led by a player who would be considered the best player in the league at the time, or among the top three players in the league at the time.

CP3+ODEN=DYNASTY

As the great Vonnegut said, more or less... "You are what you pretend to be, so you must be very careful what you pretend to be."

by timbo on Apr 29, 2008 7:33 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on May 9, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answers to questions

1. Which one of these options will be our starting SF of the future?
They are under contract for another year.
Continue to monitor their levels of production and improvement for best choice by end of the coming season.
Using the 1st pick, draft a SF who has many of those missing qualities needed by the current SFs.
This will add competitive pressure to ensure maximum effort from current players.

2. What happens to the remaining options already on our team? Will they be back-ups or play at other positions? Will they be cut or traded?
Trade any that seem to regress. Keep the best 2-3 after the end of coming season

3. What qualities/strengths are we looking for in a small forward exactly?
• Unselfishness
• Perimeter defense
• Stat-stuffing role-player potential
• Ability to create separation from defender
• Finishing ability
• Court vision
• Freakish athleticism
• Outstanding wingspan
• Mid-range game
• Transition play
• Cuts to the basket
• Basketball IQ

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2008 1:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes...

Batum fan #1 strikes again!

by The Graduate on May 8, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

always with the batum

you know who’s scouting report reads the same way? boris diaw. and diaw was a headcase too. that’s who the blazers would be drafting. boris diaw. in fact, we’ll call him “Nicolas Boris Diaw Batum” and the team won’t bother putting Batum’s name on the back of his jersey. it’ll be Diaw on the back. And we’ll say “this guy has talent, its a shame he doesn’t have the killer instinct, just like Boris Diaw”. And then we’ll say, this guy is just like another French player we know, Boris Diaw. In fact, why even bother drafting Batum? lets just trade for Diaw. Then we won’t have to wait the year or two it’ll take Batum to become Boris Diaw. And we’d all be a lot happier.

by dp8039 on May 8, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and no offense against diaw

he’s an ok player. does a little of everything. just he really hasn’t put it together and did not reach his supposedly limitless potential because of some psychological aversion to being a leader.

by dp8039 on May 8, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think Batum is a headcase?

I’ve never heard that said about him. The main criticism I’ve heard is a lack of a reliable jumpshot.

by EngineerScotty on May 8, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his draftexpress profile

(http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nicolas-Batum-537/) portrays him as inconsistent, lacking aggression, and having the tendency to drift or lose confidence during games:

“Batum should be topping this chart, he should have taken this edition of the Euroleague by storm. Nobody, not a single player, comes close to combining his physical gifts and skill repertoire. Instead, we’re hearing an already familiar tune: inconsistency, a certain lack of character and… perhaps some softness(?) mixed in with stretches of impressive play that only a freakish athlete like him is capable of deliver.”

It’s understandable, given that he’s only 19 years old. That being said, his major weaknesses (confidence/consistency, ball-handling) seem to basically mirror Martell’s. So why get a younger Martell when we already have a slightly older one with NBA experience who has begun to grow out of these problems? Batum’s an intriguing talent, but he’s a project, not a solution.

by abdelnaby on May 8, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell, without his shooting

and could not spread out the floor

by raging WebTed on May 8, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"basically mirror Martell’s" - NOT!

Batum is not a bigtime scorer, yet – Martell is not a bigtime scorer, yet.
Both do share confidence/consistency and ball-handling weaknesses.

But these as the Strengths that Batum HASand Martell does NOT:

• Perimeter defense
• Stat-stuffing role-player potential
• Ability to create separation from a defender
• Finishing ability
• Court vision
• Freakish athleticism
• Outstanding wingspan
• Mid-range game
• Transition play
• Cuts to the basket
• Basketball IQ

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here are Batums Stats

Min PTS FG% FT% 3Pt 3PtA 3P% Reb Asts Stls TOs
26.5 8.5 45.3 66.7 0.7 2.4 29.0 3.5 2.7 1.5 2.0

Where is there any indication that he will be anything more than a role player?
If he cant stand out in Europe, why will he be so great on a 50?? win team in the NBA?

There is no problem with advocating for us to use a mid first round pick that we could aquire to get him, but there is no ground to stand on to say that he is better than Outlaw and Webster.

by raging WebTed on May 9, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finding value with the 13th pick

If Batum had accumulated standout stats, he would be not there at #13.

In choosing from a group of 19 to 22 year olds in the late lottery area, it’s all about spotting potential. One of the main reasons that Batum is projected to go between 10 to 20 is his lack of a big scoring stat. That stat alone can project a player into the top 5.

You have to look into what strengths a player “brings” in order to find the best pick at 13.

by spencerbutte on May 9, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hummm...

You are talking about a role playing Euroleague player over a NBA role player with so much conviction… But, if Martell was playing in the Euroleague can you say co-MVP (with Rudy of course).

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on May 9, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charater assassination

First you label Boris Diaw as a “headcase”. Than you try to tag Batum with the same label.
Do you personally know either player?
Have you ever talked to Batum or know someone that has?
Have you ever read a psychological workup on Batum?
If the answer is no to all of the above,
be very careful what you so casually place into print.

Let’s look at the negatives you use to back up your label of “headcase”

“its a shame he doesn’t have the killer instinct, just like Boris Diaw".
We need a team-player at SF. Not a big time scorer. Batum has not consistently taken over at the end of a game. He’s 19. The Blazers don’t need that ability from the SF position. We have Roy, Aldridge, and Oden to do that. Batum could in time become the fourth player with that capability.

“this guy is just like another French player
That’s just pure prejudice and doesn’t require further comment.

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In His Defense

I think picking on the French is the only thing left in the world, that is somewhat offensive and socially acceptable.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sometimes your comments are quite – and sometimes that are in just bad taste.

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes your comments are qute – and sometimes they are in just bad taste.

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I accept that as one my roles here at Blazers Edge.

If you really want to be offended; you should read some of my older stuff. Boy howdy, was I ever obnoxious!

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tom may not be PC with this comment

but he is essentially correct. Even our revered, omnipotent, benevolent, brilliant president has made fun of the french in some of the pearls of wisdom he lets fall from his firm and noble lips. Remember “freedom fries”?

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 8, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's True

go to www.google.com and type in “French military victories” then click “I’m Feeling Lucky.”

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Way

It worked for me and it’s not naughty.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 9, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you just defend TiH by comparing him to Dubya?

Maybe the Bush-says-things-just-like-this factor is a “bad thing”.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 8, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG! I'm so sorry! that was not my intent!

I would never compare Mr. inHawaii to a saint like our president who’s image is going to end up on Mt. Rushmore.

http://powerline.blogspot.com/BushMt.Rushmore.jpg

I’m at work so I can’t put that sainted image into this post so a link will have to do.

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 8, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a personal problem you have there Spence.

tom is never in bad taste. Foolishly stupid at times (Charleton, bottle, 16 yr old Hawaian surfer dude), but never in bad taste.

Although I must say tom, if one is to pick on anybody, I say it should be the Chinese. No where else does one have to opportunity to offend so many.

by timg56 on May 9, 2008 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No personal problem with tominhawaii

Some never found Don Rickles in bad taste either.

Using an ethnic joke in a comedic situation CAN be taken for what it is worth.

Backing up that use to degrade a person I find unacceptable.

by spencerbutte on May 9, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes your comments are quite – and sometimes that ar…....DAMN someone beat me to it!! That was what I was going to say, TWICE

by SpyderRyder on May 8, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Travis.

except for the defense and Basketball IQ.
Although Travis is getting a little bit of a perimeter game going too. I’m not opposed to drafting Batum, if we trade for a second pick in the #13 range. Maybe the Kings relinquish #13 for some of our leftovers? But I don’t know that Batum contributes immediately. Travis already has the NBA experience and all.

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by T Darkstar on May 8, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perimeter Defense and BB-IQ are much needed strengths at SF.

Batum doesn’t have to contribute immediately. He only needs to demonstrate those additional skills in practice in order to pressure Webster, Outlaw, and Jones into improving theirs.

Batum has to improve his, shooting, dribbling, and confidence, otherwise he has the full package of a SF. He comes at a discount price for 3 years while the other 3 SFs are renegotiating their contracts.
I call that added insurance.

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Childress and Battier

If you are of the camp that believes the talented and young Webster and Outlaw are not quite as talented, or as young, as it may appear, then I think Childress and Battier are good options to look at.

They both play good defense and are the kind of offensive player that doesn’t take touches away from your stars, and I think that’s what we need.

How obtainable they are is entirely a separate issue, but they’re not LBJ unreachable.

by rmcdougall on May 8, 2008 5:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SF

1. one of two options, IMO: Travis or somebody else entirely. With the lineup we have, we need a good perimeter defender more than anything, so I would predict that somebody else entirely will take the slot. I like the idea of someone like Josh Childress. He’s an RFA and Atlanta isn’t going to want to pay him as much as he might get elsewhere (they have to sign Josh Smith already, who will get big bucks). We have a wealth of young talent—got to give some up to get something back. I’d do a sign-and-trade for Childress with Webster and Jack in a heartbeat. Put Childress in the first unit and Outlaw in the 2nd unit, where he has shown he can thrive.

2. I don’t see Webster dealing well with being in the 2nd unit. Last year there was a lot of talk about leaving Webs in the starting lineup because he would lose confidence or whatever coming off the bench. For this reason, I would include him in a trade for a whatever-it-takes kind of player (such as Childress). I think Jones will opt out, and we’d be foolish to let Travis go, unless we have the chance to get an all-star.

3. First and foremost we need a perimeter defender. Childress would be great, and obtainable, I think. We know the core: BRoy, LA and GO. We have some dynamic scorers to complement them: Travis and Rudy (yeah, I know, counting our chickens, but still). Good fit role players: Blake, Przy and Frye. Add in a perimeter defender, and we’re getting very close.

BTW, I’m no Martell hater—I like him, I think he has a future in the league. But if I’m doing a forced choice of what value to trade, I’d choose Martell and JJack.

by BrailleTaser on May 8, 2008 7:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hawks could be good trade partner

With Jack being a GA Tech alumni he might be attractive to the Hawks as a back up to Mike Bibby. Childress would be a great player to get back in that trade and would fit the Blazers well. However, this leaves the Blazers without a player (besides Roy) who can get to the bucket at will and contribute from the free throw line. It may be dangerous to assume (remember Bellinelli was supposed to come in and contribute right away in Golden State) but Rudy could possibly fill that role. I think Jack’s a great player and I would hate to see him live up to his potential for another team but at least it would be a team in a different conference!

by rip_city_fan on May 8, 2008 8:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

An upgrade at driving the lane.

Childress is much better at getting to the basket than Jack. He also converts from there at a much higher rate. He is much taller, can jump almost like Travis, and handles the ball as well as Jack. He would add a 3rd ball handler to our starting lineup. Only downside would be long range shooting.
I doubt if Jack would be enough for the Hawks, so we would need to add someone else, or our #13 pick. I would rather include Jones than Martell or Travis, and my second choice would be the pick.
I am assuming that Battier would come for a much higher price.

by crakarjack on May 8, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Childress too

See above for proof, but I think you may be overrating his handling ability. He’s not bad, but I don’t see him as being a ball-handler like either of our guards would be.

by rmcdougall on May 8, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No,

he isn’t a point guard, but the Hawks have him run the point some of the time. I think the point is that he is a much better ball handler than any of our current SF.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on May 8, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough question

biggest need is perimeter defense, although it looked pretty good during the streak and I believe it was a zone.

I say let the three of them ride one more year and see the impact on that perimeter defense GO has.

All three have great attributes: for a while TO was Mr. 4th quarter, Jones was Mr. clutch, and MW, is still young enough to keep.

by rburg on May 8, 2008 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

4 quick thoughts

I think Outlaw is a PF, off the bench, instant offense, sparkplug.
I think if we upgrade SF Blake/Jack is fine
I think if we upgrade PG Webster is fine
I would be interested in Childress and Deng (more attainable than people think).

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on May 8, 2008 8:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sf- blake Jack??
PG- Webster ?

by raging WebTed on May 8, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I get what he is saying.

If we upgrade SF position, then we will be fine with Blake/Jack as our PG. And visa-versa.

by RipCity on May 8, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Dave.

This is a large forward quandary!

Count me in the ‘not convinced we need an upgrade’ camp. One more year with Trout, Marty and JJ3, and we’ll know who deserves to stay or go. My guess is that we let JJ walk, Trout continues to emerge but gets much of his minutes at backup PF, and Martell becomes a genuine minor star.

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on May 8, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And Frye?

He sits on the bench as a fifth-wheel big man in case somebody goes down injured? We’ve seen in the not-so-distant past that too much talent is not necessarily a good thing—different group of guys, Frye handled his role this year with aplomb, but why potentially poison the well? Not to mention that it’ll reduce any trade value he would have otherwise had to ride the pine for a year behind Senor Chucks-a-Lot. I think you gotta prune the roster this off-season to maximize value and get the entire team on the same page moving forward. (I agree with your guess, having said all that). We’ll see if KP and co. agree with mine.

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reports from midseason said KP

was pushing hard to try to get Danny Granger. Which fits pretty perfectly with what I think we need, which is a quality two way player at the 3, with defense being slightly more important than offense. Granger’s good but not the kind of core building block for rebuilding that Indiana needs - he’s a second or third banana, not the top dawg- so I think they might be receptive to a trade that involves salary relief, picks, and young cheap players. Maybe if we take some of their bad seeds to buy out using paul allen’s money, too.

Other possibilities: Josh Howard, Shane Battier (although Shane’s maybe a little too crappy on teh offensive end to call a 2 way guy – more pure defensive stopper ala Bowen or Bell). Dream player would be Tay Prince. I have high hopes for Jared Dudley, who I think will be another one of these players in another year or two, and who I think could be picked up real cheap. Martell could end up being the guy, but I wouldn’t be overly optimistic—maybe 1 in 2 chance he develops into what we want.

One thing to keep in mind is that guys who become this role are pretty easy to find in the late teens and early 20s of the draft—Shane is the only lottery pick of the guys I mentioned so far. Granger, Howard, Prince, Dudley were all quality two way players that everyone knew about in college, but without the kind of jawdropping athleticism that gets you into the early lottery. So if we want to be patient, we can probably keep looking for Phoenix to sell their picks and for our own picks to be used for trying to identify swing defensive/hustle/glue guys.

by howlingfantods on May 8, 2008 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I didn't actually answer your questions

1. Which one of these options will be our starting small forward of the future?

Possibly Martell, but I think more likely someone we get in trade or draft.

2. What happens to the remaining options already on our team? Will they be back-ups or play at other positions? Will they be cut or traded?

I’m pretty sure we hold on to Jones, but I would guess that Martell and Outlaw are available for the right trades.

3. What qualities are we looking for in a small forward exactly? Again, people seem to have pretty definite opinions about the kind of point guard we need. Is there a general consensus about small forward as well?

This is the only question I did answer. Two way guys, with an emphasis on defense. I know folks around here want a shooter, personally I think a good slasher or shooter could both work for us.

by howlingfantods on May 8, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What has been working for other teams in the playoffs

From what I’ve observed during the playoffs the good teams (Boston, Detroit San Antonio, New Orleans, Utah and L@kers) are having success on offense because of the following: They have at least one great if not unstopable perimeter scorer and a very good or better post scorer. In addition, the other 3 guys are all capable scorers either by slashing or spot-up shooting. In a set offense, the ball goes to the elite perimeter or post scorer, when doubled that player passes the ball and it keeps moving until it reaches an open man who takes his shot. An example we all know is Bowen in the corner for 3. I f the elite player isn’t doubled, then usually a good shot results from that player.

How do the Blazers fit this model? Well clearly Roy is our elite perimeter scorer and has shown he is more than capable of filling that role. Aldridge is not a clear-cut elite low post scorer as of yet, but he could very well become one with Oden next ot him on the court. Alternatively, Oden may very well be that unstoppable low post threat. In either case the Blazers are sitting in a good spot for their two main guys offensively. Now our other three guys just need to be able to swing the ball to find the open man. During our 13 game streak we showed that this is not only possible but also should be the normal operating procedure.

Now on to defense, The good teams only double team when they absolutely have to double, and their other guys quickly rotate to cover. This prevents any one guy from being left wide open. New Orleans has been beating SA on this strategy so far. The key is that perimeter defenders steer their man into help, this way defensive rotations are more easiy maintained and no one is left uncovered. SA got very few wide open looks after swinging the ball in Game 1 vs. NO; and many times it was Duncan who got the open look at least 20ft out. That’s the shot you wan them to have, not Bowen in the corner for 3 or Manu in the lane.

Again how do the Blazers stack up defensively? Nate got his guys playing excellent defense during the streak, on par with NO so far in the series with SA (IMO). However we have not been able to maintatin that defensive intentisty over the entire season. Rather, the Blazers had several laspes which usually favored slashers into the lane for layups.

I think in another season, the Blazers will show improved consistency on what they have already shown capable during the streak. This is without changing a single player from our roster. Now adding Oden to the mix, I think that our lapses will result in fewer layups at the rim and more outside jumpers. That is what we want. We don’t need a shutdown defender (allthough it helps), we just need good team defenders. This is the model that both Detroit and New Orleans have. I think we can be very comparable to these teams defensively, if not by the end of next season then in 2 seasons time.

In conclusion, I don’t think we need big upgrades at either PG or SF over what we currently have in Blake/Jack/Sergio or Webster/Trout/Jones. We just need to see improved consistency from game to game (and quarter to quarter) from all our players as a whole, beacuse if just one man misses that rotation, somebody is getting a wide open look. I think all we need is incremental improvement. However if we luck into Derrick Rose, I wouldn’t shed a single tear (excepting for joy).

by NWfan on May 8, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Udoka?

I mean, seriously? A poor man’s Bruce Bowen, who will do the dirty work that Aldridge and Roy don’t need to be doing at the risk of getting hurt. He could be had for cheap, lives in Portland, and has already shown steadiness in big-time situations.

Sure, he’s not the big name we’re looking for, but it frees up other assets (read: Outlaw, Webster, Jones) for trade bait for PG.

by jamon51 on May 8, 2008 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

Udoka is not in the same window as our core. At 28 ( I think) and with bad knees he’s not the long term solution and by the time he’s available we’ll probably have need of the cap space elsewhere. If he was younger and had better knees I’d say absolutely.

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

by JAB21 on May 8, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

30, actually

31 in August. Though he’s actually one of the youngest members of the Spur’s core rotation, behind only Tony Parker and the not-exactly-essential Matt Bonner.

by abdelnaby on May 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And with Bowen aging, Udoka's indispensible to Sandy Auntie.

I don’t think they allow him to become even seemingly available.
He’s basically Bowen’s understudy and impending replacement.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 8, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking for these qualitites:

His name should be: Martell Webster.

He can do it!

by BlazerD on May 8, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be a wet blanket

but I think we might see K.P. focus on the point gaurd spot this summer early, and then watch and see how the players come together. Oden could turn out to be such a defensive force that they may just need to surround him with speed and shooters i.e. Hakeem’s Rocket teams. Or He might be in constant foul trouble, in which case they will need some stoppers on defence. In any case, much will depend on the off seasons that Outlaw, Webster and Jones have, and how well they gel in the pre-season.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on May 8, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Give me another year to think about it

I say keep the three we have this year. Let Jones go off the books after this year, and then keep Webster and Outlaw. Webster is the starter and Outlaw is the 6th man. In the mean time, both should continue to develop better defense and other stuff.

I’d be willing to trade any of them for LeBron James. After that, we should look into Andrei Kirilenko, Ron Artest, Gerald Wallace, Josh Smith, Caron Butler, Andre Iguodala, and Ricky Davis.

"Show some respect to this living legend, this hall of famer...Arvydas Sabonis." - Bill Walton

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ricky Davis?!?

Ricky “the cocroach” Davis? Never! Never!!

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on May 8, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heck Yeah

I heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another, that you’re the leader of Ricky D’s Renegades.

"Show some respect to this living legend, this hall of famer...Arvydas Sabonis." - Bill Walton

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you just say...

Ron “I was cleaning it and it just went off” Artest?!!??

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

by JAB21 on May 8, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Deserves a Second Chance

And he would cure what ails the Blazers.

"Show some respect to this living legend, this hall of famer...Arvydas Sabonis." - Bill Walton

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would grant a second chance

But this is more like a third or fourth. Could he have changed? Sure, but outside of his off-court issues he’s also known to be a distraction in the locker room. Also the guy is 28 so he’s going to miss the window of our core. At best he would be a band-aid, but not our solution (IMHO). Having said all that if KP trusted him then I’m ok with it.

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

by JAB21 on May 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Problem

Is that people have figured out my shtik.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 9, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Bonzi Wells might be a good fit on our team.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 9, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answering the Questions

1. Which one of these options will be our starting small forward of the future?

Martell Webster, the team has shown a commitment to developing him into a defensive specialist and three-point shooter. Everything I read about Outlaw, gives me the impression that on the Blazers, he will always come off the bench. Look for him to be traded at the trade deadline with Raef’s expiring contract for LeBron James.

2. What happens to the remaining options already on our team? Will they be back-ups or play at other positions? Will they be cut or traded?

Oh shoots, I pretty much answered the question in question 1. Webster will start for the next 10 years, Jones will be the back-up, and Outlaw will be traded.

3. What qualities are we looking for in a small forward exactly? Again, people seem to have pretty definite opinions about the kind of point guard we need. Is there a general consensus about small forward as well?

As I’ve said before, I just players based on looks. Webster is better looking to me than Outlaw, so he is my chosen one. If Rudy really is worth a top five pick in the draft, then he deserves playing time, and he probably deserves to start. If he was being added to the Spurs, then I could see him coming off the bench. We are not near the level of the Spurs. Let me break it down for everyone.

Starters: Oden, LMA, James, Fernandez, & Roy
First off the Bench: Prz, Frye, Webster, Blake, & Rodriguez
DNP Coaches Decision: McRoberts, Jones,

What will end up happening is that Rudy will come out of the game first, Blake will play point guard and Roy will play shooting guard. Then Sergio and Rudy will beat the crap out of the opponent’s benches. Rudy and Roy will then finish out games in the guard positions.

"Show some respect to this living legend, this hall of famer...Arvydas Sabonis." - Bill Walton

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just pillow talk

I'm going to have to let you go. Too much flax seed in my morning shake.

by oderiferous emanations 74 on May 8, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SF isn't the problem

I think James Jones will ask for too much money, and we let him walk.

I think Travis plays better in spurts off the bench, so we keep him to play 3 or 4.

I think Martell is athletic and improving, so he stays to play 3 or 2. I still think Martell is a shooter and it would be a waste of his talents to force him to become a “lock-down” defender although I think he may has the physical ability to be a very good defender. Let’s see him become a good defender and a great shooter.

The problem is too many/not good enough point guards. Who best complements Roy (and the rest of the team) when Roy is in SG mode? Does that complementary player shift when Roy is in PG mode? If Rudy is the best Roy complement when Roy is in PG mode (giant assumption), who is the best when he’s in SG? Nate said Blake, but I don’t think that will work, and I’m not sure Nate is willing to let go of Jack as the complement player when Roy is in PG mode.

So the SF problem is really more of one of “Who might we be willing to lose to improve the PG position?” rather than one of “How do we upgrade the SF position?”

by vcubed on May 8, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I firmly agree

with the final line of your post. I feel like the answer to the SF “question” as such is already on the roster. My two cents says it’s Martell, but if it’s not—then we figure out who is, and package whichever of Martell/Travis we’re not keeping along with other sundry goodies to bolster the PG spot. (Though I have my doubts about Martell’s abilities to develop an effective-enough handle to play the two, which feeds nicely into my next point)...

which is that I feel strongly that we can’t keep all three of Trout, Martell, and Frye if JJ33 stays. As of now, Martell can’t effectively play the two if you ascribe to the idea (and I do) that you need two competent ball-handlers on the court at all times. Martell starting at the three sucks up 28-30 minutes right there. If JJ exercises his player option, he plays backup 3 15-20 minutes a night. LMA will be playing at least 35 minutes a game next year, which leaves Travis and Frye dueling for scraps. You can slice and dice the minutes a little differently but fundamentally the problem remains—we have too many players at SF and PF and not enough minutes for them.

If JJ opts out, great. Thanks for the year, you were really solid, and now we have Trav backing up Martell at the 3 and swinging up to the 4 and Frye playing a 4/5 mix depending on matchups on a given night. I don’t think we’ll even make an effort to resign Jones if he opts out. If he doesn’t (and I believe he won’t for two reasons: shooters from winning teams get paid [I see you, Jason Kapono!] and he wasn’t healthy this year—a healthy player contributing to a winning team in combination next year = more moolah) then we’re in a minutes crunch. And we either tolerate it for a year, let Jones walk next year, and start 09-10 with the Martell/Trav/LMA/Frye mix at the 3/4; or we deal one of Frye/Travis (if it happens, my money’s on the latter) this off-season. I’m very intrigued to see which way James and the Blazers go on this.

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that trading Outlaw COULD be our best option, I just dont know who we would trade him for?? We would try and upgrade the PG.
Outlaw + Jack? + Lafretz?= ?? PG

by raging WebTed on May 8, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

James Jones

is a nice role player and transition piece. He’s not a starter, and he should never be kept on the roster at the expense of trading Outlaw, Webster or Frye to make room. That’s crazy talk.

by raoulduke on May 8, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

I don’t think I explained myself well. Jones isn’t a starter, and if he stays it’ll be to back up Martell for 15-20 minutes a game, as I said above. But at this point, it’s not the Blazers’ choice to keep him on the roster at the expense of trading Outlaw or Frye (I don’t see Martell being traded)—it’s Jones’ choice, depending on whether or not he exercises his player option.

And if he does, then I see us being more likely to trade either Trout or Frye this off-season: number one, because there just aren’t enough minutes to go around; and number two, because of that fact, KP might try to strike while the iron is hot and Trout’s stock is sky-high. If Jones walks, I don’t think we’ll see a big-time move for a point guard. That almost certainly entails moving Trout and then we have no backup three…just my two cents.

Anyway, what I meant was that Blazers brass might end up thinking, “OK, we have Jones on the roster for another year…how can we shake this bad boy up?” and not “We gotta shake this bad boy up to keep Jones for another year!”

by BlazersOrBust on May 9, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nate will do what KP tells him to do.

In the NBA, on the other hand, the vast majority of NBA championships are won by teams led by a player who would be considered the best player in the league at the time, or among the top three players in the league at the time.

CP3+ODEN=DYNASTY

As the great Vonnegut said, more or less... "You are what you pretend to be, so you must be very careful what you pretend to be."

by timbo on Apr 29, 2008 7:33 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on May 10, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw and Childress about the same

Comparing stats, Outlaw out performs Childress in scoring per game, 13 vs 12, and both rebound the same at 5, and have the same assists at 1.5. Childress has better field goal percentage at 57 vs 43, but Outlaw shoots better from the 3 pt arc at 39.6 vs 36.7. Trading for Childress would be giving up our players for someone we already have.
Keep Outlaw and Webster. They are good together, good chemistry, team attitude. They are still developing. They both are important to the team and are improving. Focus on the PG and backup PF positions in the off season

by blazerbill on May 8, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stats don't tell the whole story.

While it’s true that J-Chill and Travis have very similiar stat lines, there’s really no comparison. Childress is a much more capable finisher at the rim, has a great basketball IQ and plays excellent defense.

I don’t want to sell Travis short because I think he’s probably one of the best iso scorers around and can literally get his jumper off against anyone, but all you have to do is watch Travis on man-defense to understand that he still doesn’t have a great feel for the game.

If KP can get Atlanta to be a willing trade partner they’d be foolish not to do a sign and trade for Childress.

Not to mention his ‘fro and Greg’s GOhawk, would give this team the best hair in the league.

by nikolokolus on May 9, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defenseento

Childress is a much better defender. Outlaw probably more blocks, but JC can lock ‘em down when he wants to.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on May 9, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep em and let it bake

and try not to get an ulcer thinking about the possibilities. What are the chances that our young trading pieces will decrease in value if we keep them to start the year? Let’s see what players are available next year. Kevin Garnett & Pau Gasol type players can become available for Raef & smaller pieces, but only through trade.

by tweener on May 8, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Frye

I think a lot of this does have to do with Frye. Before we can really ask who should be our SF, we need to decide whether Outlaw is or is not an SF.

I think Frye is a great back-up 4, he comes in and plays a lot like LMA (a good thing and a bad thing) and could really shine in that role. Plus, he has more of the size for it than Trout.

Therefore, Trout is an SF, and we should trade Martell away and bring in Randy Foye and Rudy Gay, thus getting every relevant player from that entire draft.

by rmcdougall on May 8, 2008 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude

don’t you have finals you should be studying for or something? ;)

by BlazersOrBust on May 8, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All part of the plan

My optics exam was excruciatingly easy, which is good since I hardly prepared for it. I consider it to be entirely because of the good karma built up by reading this blog.

by rmcdougall on May 9, 2008 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda hard to judge the wish list at JUST the three.

Given the starting three of Roy/LaMardridge/Oden, I can think of some qualities we need
out of the two-man package of BOTH positions rounding out the line-up:
Small forward AND Roy’s backcourt guard companion.

I do think Roy plays well off of another point-level ballhandler/distributor,
but that’s something I think should be mainly from his co-guard.
(If there were a 93-model Scottie Pippen available, then we could get it at the 3.)

Another thing we absolutely need out of at least one of the two positions is spot-up shooter.
You know: A Hornacek/Byron Scott/Ainge/Rice type of perimeter assassin.
But here, right away, I see a conflict; you can’t have a guy be a distributor
AND be the open man out in the corner, can’t be both with, AND away from, the ball.
I mean, it’d be NICE if the co-guard could stick it from long when he gets that opportunity,
but I think that small forward NEEDS to do that, and very regularly.

So that tells me that, if Roy’s co-guard is a point-type dirtibutor/passing conduit,
we need the small forward to be exceptionally good at getting open, spotting up, and nailing the J.

Also, we need one of the two to be, along with Roy, good at penetrating and driving.
But not both guys (between LMA/Oden being down low and Roy’s ability to penetrate,
there’s not enough room down low for TWO more guys), so which position do we want this most from?
Well, let’s recap: The co-guard should be the distributor/conduit, and the 3 should be a spot-up shooter.
I’d say it’s best for the co-guard (not the SF) to cover this element.
That means Vince Carter-wannabees (and Vince Carter is exactly that now) need not apply.
Which describes a lot of the big-name/high-ceiling small forwards in the league, really.

BTW, notice what sort of co-guard I’m getting at?
Someone who can co-distribute, drives well, and can mix in (but not RELY on) the open perimeter shot?
Think I’m getting really biased toward Rudy on this? You betcha.
And to be completely honest, I’m starting to see our small forward as a complement not to
the 3-man team of Roy/LMA/Oden, but to the FOUR-man team of Rudy/Roy/LMA/Oden.

And we’re gonna need at least ONE position to be a good TEAM defender, and a secure man defender.
That doesn’t mean a threat-neutralizing shut-down individual defender;
we just need the 3 to play off of Oden and Roy’s defensive fundamentals,
and be the link that turns their roles as defensive anchors into a Defensive Team.
Think along the lines of, say, Tayshaun Prince, or Kevin McHale.

Spot-up shooter, sound defender within a team-defense framework, not reliant on
a penetrating inside offensive game, but able to defend opposing SF’s who DO have that threat . . .
Two people come to mind:
What Martell Webster is turning into (IF his progress continues), and Ime Udoka.
Bruce Bowen would be ideal, if he were about 29 years younger. He’s not.
But I do think he should be the model for our search, and as such we’re looking for
not a big-name top-tier guy, but an under-the-radar role player.
Again, the historic names that come to mind are Hornacek, Bowen, Glenn Rice, and maybe Peja.

Damn. Is there any way to get Ime back? The Spoors are never gonna let HIM go, are they?

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think one option is

to draft Westbrook and call it good, he can drive to the basket at play good defense. He could also lead a fast break, something doesnt feel like doing very often. Webster would be our shooter, as he continues to progress(please!) and capable defender. In the future- The backcourt of Westbrook/Roy/Fernandez , any of whom could be the point or off guard. combining eaverything we need!! Hapily ever after.

by raging WebTed on May 8, 2008 5:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this is a much lesser concern than PG

Way less. We could get by with any of the three main SFs listed. And for my two cents I would keep Martell before the other two.

Other options:
Mike Miller (for veteran player with many years left);
Chris Douglas-Roberts / CDR – if he is available at 13;
Granger is a great option to if he were available.

I mostly like the idea of trying to get Conley and Miller together, with my only reservation being if Conley can be The Guy at PG. He certainly seems better than anyone in the current draft outside of Rose. Anyway, I digress from SF.

1. Martell starts next year.
2. Jones is used like he was this year, if he opts up for his last year which I think he will. Travis is used as the 6th man again or traded to another team as the prime asset in the trade.
3. SF characteristics: lean mean fightin machine.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on May 9, 2008 1:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm kind of going off topic

But I thought of it while reading your lovely comment, when you mentioned CDR. I have been thinking the Blazers should trade the pick, since Hansbrough is now unavailable. Your comment made me wonder, if there is some Rudy-esque player in Europe, worth taking with that pick. I don’t mean it in the “best player in their league” kind of way, but in the, “this guy is going to be the bee’s knees when he’s able to come to America in a year or two,” kind of way. The 13th pick is probably the lowest you should go, on a pick that cannot come over for a year or two. I still think the roster has no need to get any younger.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 9, 2008 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OBVIOUSLY

THERE IS, Tom. His name is NICOLAS BATUM. He boasts the wingspan of an albatross in flight, athleticism that makes Kobe grind his teeth and LeBron cry from jealousy, and the ability to limit the most profligate scorers in the NBA today to negative points. Thus it has been said; thus it shall be.

Did you really want the Blazers to draft Hansbrough in the lottery?

by BlazersOrBust on May 9, 2008 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeBron cry - maybe not

Nice to see you coming-around. (wink)

by spencerbutte on May 9, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in the lottery

I wanted them to trade down. To be honest though, in NBA salary terms, the difference in salary from the 13th pick or the 20th pick isn’t that much.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 9, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I'm kind of going off topic" - TiH

Ahh Haa Haa LOLROTFPIMP !!!

Like this needs to be announced, Ahh Haa Haw LOLROTFPIMP !!!

I’m postin’ ‘bout Marty’s butt over in the PG thread and some how think you are the one who lead me that way.

Ya gots Alfredo sayin’ “Da Kine” (whatever dat is) and I thought it was You!

No way, No way in heck, am I going to start talkin’ ‘bout OJ & Rose here! No Way, Man !!!

No Way! I tells ya, jet lag is startin’ to wear off. I will not be tricked this easily any more.

OH! Happy Mothers Day, hehe

"Always Willing, Ever Able" - rivbike.com
"A Dbl Shot O' Whiskey & A Pitcher O' Beearr" - BoilerMaker (It's Game Time Baby, see Ya Again, 'n the Second Half)

by BlueBooYay on May 11, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Da Kine

Da kine means “Whatchamacallit.”

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotchit ! Wahinies Da Kine !!!

Da H.U.M.P.

"Always Willing, Ever Able" - rivbike.com
"A Dbl Shot O' Whiskey & A Pitcher O' Beearr" - BoilerMaker (It's Game Time Baby, see Ya Again, 'n the Second Half)

by BlueBooYay on May 11, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fun joke I play on friends that visit

I always tell them than “wahine” means “slut.” They think it’s the truth until they watch the new and they talk about the Rainbow Wahine volleyball team. In reality, “tuna” is the word for “slut.”

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you do when you need someone trust on you, Tom?

I use to put my hand on my English dictionary. In your case I don´t think both the Bible and the USA Constitution wouldn´t be enough.

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 12, 2008 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I always give good directions and would never fib about something important. I guess I could swear on a Bible or Blazers Edge if I had to prove I was serious.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just kidding.

I trust in Khara to choose her man. If she trust in you I trust too. You are people in my book.

Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.

by amlmart1 on May 12, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awe

You’re sweet.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Douglas-Roberts for awhile,

But I think I’m higher on Courtney Lee right now.

The guy I think I’d take if he’s still on the board at 13 is this guy:
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/joealexander.html

In answer to Dave’s question, I like the guys we have. I also would be fine if Ime was our starting SF next season. A dark horse for me would be Victor Khryapa, but then I have this unexplainable and possibly irrational appreciation of his game. But Alexander might be a nice pickup as a future SF. You look at his weaknesses and most of them should be correctable with coaching. Meanwhile his strengths are some of the things no amount of coaching can create in a player that doesn’t already possess them.

My draft board:

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/joealexander.html

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/courtneylee.html
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/russellwestbrook.html

http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nathanjawai.html

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nicolasbatum.html

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/richardhendrix.html

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/jasonthompson.html

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/gorandragic.html

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/jamesgist.html

Note:  the last two guys are there because I have to include a Slovene and a Terp.  Dragic actually sounds like a pretty decent choice in the 2nd round.

by timg56 on May 9, 2008 7:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

101 I couldn't resist.

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 10, 2008 3:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I see your 101 and raise you to 102!


Ha Ha Ha!

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on May 10, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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