Ranking the league's brightest stars: Top 25 SGs
Here comes the weekend, and with it comes the latest edition of Ranking the League's Brightest Stars. And now, for your viewing pleasure, the top 25 SGs. I was very tempted to throw in SFs with the SGs, but I felt it would be a little silly to be comparing the likes of Brandon Roy, clearly a 6'6 guard, with someone like Kevin Durant, a 6'10 forward. I did my best to differentiate between guard and forward, and if I couldn't tell, I sometimes resorted to checking the team's roster on their website. Feel free to disagree with some of my choices.
Remember, my inputs I use for ranking include a player's age, statistical output, contract status, and my general "feel" of the guy. Again, though it's not my favorite statistical analysis tool, I use the Efficiency Per Game to give a quick snapshot of what each player brings to the table statistically. It's not the best, but it's serviceable (kind of like our point guard situation).
For those unfamiliar with the system, here it is in a nutshell:
EFF = ((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))
Again, the order of ranking uses these aforementioned factors to determine which players offer the best shot at getting to a title in a reasonable time period. Also taken into consideration is a player's jersey number, now included in his snapshot profile. This is perhaps the most crucial element of the analysis, as it is a TiH-approved method for judging teams' and their respective players' skills.
So without further ado, here they are:

1. K*be Bryant, L*kers
Number: 24
Age: 29
EPG: 26.8
Contract: three years, $69.1 M ($23.0 M per)
His salary is outlandish, but hey, he's the MVP. Kobe is the league’s best one-on-one player, contains the most straight up skills, and has an insanely competitive spirit. This year, he's even added some leadership to his game. It'll be interesting to see how he and his team fare against whatever offering the East puts forth. Anyone else besides Tom dreading a Lakers-Celtics matchup?
2. Brandon Roy, Blazers
Number: 7
Age: 23
EPG: 19.4
Contract: three years, $12.2 M ($4.1 M per)
For the entire time I typed this post, I had Wade at the number two and Roy at number three, until right at the end. I figured Roy at two is homerish, but after much thought and consideration, I think Roy is the clear number two choice. Roy's got character, class, leadership skills, a nicer contract than
Wade, and a fairly comparable game. Roy didn't have much to work with two seasons ago year, and this year had a youthful team that, according to history, should have stunk. Nevertheless, unlike Wade's team, who underperformed, Roy's team outperformed. Brandon helped guide them to 41-41record in a tough Western Conference, as opposed to Wade's team failing so miserably that Pat Riley ran away. Call me a homer, but I'd take Roy over Wade.
3. Dwyane Wade, Heat
Number: 3
Age: 26
EPG: 21.8
Contract: three years, $47.3 M ($15.8 M per)
Wade is extremely difficult to guard and almost single handedly beat the Mavericks in the ’06 Finals. Unfortunately, it appeared he went into coast mode that summer, and he seemed to spend more time at Disneyland, photo shoots, and filming ads than actually working on his game. He has been bothered by a series of nagging injuries as of late, which makes one wonder if his future is as bright as it once was, especially after he couldn't get his team out of last place in the league.
4. Manu Ginobili, Spurs
Number: 20
Age: 30
EPG: 19.9
Contract: two years, $20.6 M ($10.3 M per)
Despite the Spurs exit from the playoffs, they look like a team to reckon with. If you don't think so, go voice your opinion at EngineerScotty's Spurs Poll (he's got about 99 poll options to choose from). Manu's game is fairly solid all-around, and he ain't bad in the clutch to say the least. If he can stay healthy, and stop the flop, perhaps I'll be rooting for him and the Spurs next year. Perhaps.
5. Kevin Martin, Kings
Number: 23
Age: 25
EPG: 19.8
Contract: five years, $55.5 M ($11.1 M per)
It looks like the Kings got a pretty good deal when they locked Martin up. He’s a terrific shooter and he should be able to anchor the Kings offensively for the remainder of his contract.
6. Richard Hamilton, Pistons
Number: 32
Age: 30
EPG: 16.4
Contract: two years, $22.0 M ($11.0 M per)
Rip just keeps chugging along. The guy has always been a terrific midrange shooter, but over the last three years he’s improved his accuracy from long range (44% in 2007-08), which has made his offensive game even more dangerous. Healso moves well without the ball, which becomes quickly apparent in this TNT Insider video. He’s a tireless defender and has a great work ethic, so his game shouldn’t decline as fast as most post-30 players. Moreover, he’s affordable.
7. Andre Iguodala, Sixers
Number: 9
Age: 24
EPG: 20.1
Contract: restricted free agent
Iguodala has flourished since Iverson departed, and has the numbers to prove he's a valid number-one option. As far as his contract goes, it’s going to be interesting to see how much the Sixers end up paying him. I have a feeling it will be more than what Martin makes, which is why he’s below him on this list.
8. Tracy McGrady, Rockets
Number: 1
Age: 28
EPG: 18.8
Contract: two years, $44.3 M ($22.2 M per)
I think it’s clear that you can’t build around T-Mac (and his huge salary) and expect to win in the playoffs. Still, he's one of the most dangerous shooting guards in the game, even though he has a creaky back. Maybe their huge win streak was evidence that they have the potential to dominate the league; on the other hand, maybe them getting smoked in the first round is evidence they can't. Yah, Yao was injured, but nevertheless, I just don't see T-Mac and Yao ever getting it done. Tracy lacks the passion and ruthlessness to be a top-five SG in this league.
9. Jason Richardson, Bobcats
Number: 23
Age: 27
EPG: 19.0
Contract: three years, $39.9 M ($13.3 M per)
His contract is little on the pricey side, but J-Rich returned to form this season to anchor the Bobcats offensively.
10. Joe Johnson, Hawks
Number: 2
Age: 26
EPG: 19.6
Contract: two years, $29.2 M ($14.6 M per)
Johnson is a young kid with upside who helped the Hawks make some noise against the Celtics. Still, his 14.6 mil contract isn't too appealing to most.
11. Stephen Jackson, Warriors
Number: 1
Age: 30
EPG: 17.0
Contract: two years, $14.8 M ($7.4 M)
Jackson’s reputation has him seriously underrated. His contract is a bargain for what he brings to the table. The Warriors would struggle to be a .500 team without him. He would be higher, but he's past the 30-year mark, and things are only downhill from here.
12. Mike Miller, Grizzlies
Number: 33
Age: 28
EPG: 18.1
Contract: two years, $18.8 M ($9.4 M per)
Miller’s contract is fairly affordable considering his production. He’s one of the best pure shooters in the league and has a pretty solid all-around game. If he were a little more athletic and a little younger, maybe the Blazers would have been interested in the Outlaw trade proposal. But, he's not, so I'll side with the Big Easy and AnntheFan is saying that Outlaw should never be traded.
13. Michael Redd, Bucks
Number: 22
Age: 28
EPG: 18.4
Contract: three years, $51.1 M ($17.0 M per)
After seven straight seasons of improving his game, Redd took a step back last season. Improving his shot selection and learning to make his teammates better around him are Redd's next steps.
14. Ray Allen, Celtics
Number: 20
Age: 32
EPG: 15.9
Contract: two years, $36.2 M ($18.1 M per)
Allen is an NBA great whose star is fading fast. He's 32, got a huge contract, and hasn't done squat for the Celtics thus far into the playoffs.
15. Vince Carter, Nets
Number: 15
Age: 31
EPG: 21.6
Contract: three years, $48.8 M ($16.3 M per)Carter is getting on in years and since he relies on his athleticism, age may hurt him more than most. His contract is long and expensive for a guy his age, and he really hasn't had a history of winning anything besides the Slam Dunk Contest in 2000. I guess his career has some meaning, if only for his epic slam back in the Olympics over some 7'2" French dude.
16. Ronnie Brewer, Jazz
Number: 9
Age: 23
EPG: 13.3
Contract: three years, $8.3 M ($2.8 M per)
If he can ever fix that busted jump shot, watch out. Brewer has all the other tools to be an excellent player, and he's got an extremely reasonable contract.
17. Randy Foye, Timberwolves
Number: 4
Age: 24
EPG: 11.8
Contract: three years, $11.2 M ($3.7 M per)
Foye bounced back from a knee injury to have a pretty solid season for the new look Timberwolves. He has a solid all-around game and nice upside. Unfortunately for Kevin McHale, Foye and Roy. You my friend, were Pritch-Slapped.
18. Ben Gordon, Bulls
Number: 7
Age: 25
EPG: 14.8
Contract: restricted free agent
Gordon’s contract situation makes him tough to rank. He’s a phenomenal scorer, but is only average in other parts of the game. He turned down an extension that would have paid him $10 million a season, so if he signs a deal like that, he’ll be pricey for what he brings to the table.
19. Jamal Crawford, Knicks
Number: 11
Age: 28
EPG: 16.1
Contract: one year, $8.6 M
Crawford needs to improve his shot selection, but there’s no doubt that the guy can score. He’s actually a nice fit as an off guard in Mike D’Antoni’s up-tempo attack, so the 2008-09 season will go a long way to determine the direction his career is headed.
20. Mickael Pietrus, Warriors
Number: 2
Age: 26
EPG: 8.7
Contract: free agent
Pietrus is an athletic, versatile wing who fell out of Don Nelson’s favor and was limited by a strained hamstring. His stock is low enough that he’ll likely be a good bargain for whichever team manages to sign him.
21. Anthony Parker, Raptors
Number: 18
Age: 32
EPG: 13.5
Contract: one year, $4.6 M
The only problem with Parker’s all around game is his age. He’s a terrific shooter and is happy to do all the little things.
22. John Salmons, Kings
Number: 15
Age: 28
EPG: 12.9
Contract: three years, $16.4 M ($5.5 M per)
Salmons is a versatile guy who can play three positions. He’s in his prime and his contract is very affordable.
23. Rashad McCants, Timberwolves
Number: 1
Age: 23
EPG: 11.3
Contract: two years, $6.2 M ($3.1 M per)
Injuries limited his sophomore season, but McCants came back and averaged almost 15 points a game for the Timberwolves. He doesn’t do much else, but the guy can certainly shoot it. And for such a mediocre player, he sure does have a cool website.
24. DeShawn Stevenson, Wizards
Number: 2
Age: 27
EPG: 10.7
Contract: three years, $11.6 M ($3.9 M per)
Known more for silly feuds with LeBron than his own game, Stevenson is a nice defender and a decent three-point shooter. This season wasn't his best campaign, but at 27 he's still got a window to improve. Man was this guy fun to play with on NBA Live 2003.
25. Raja Bell, Suns
Number: 19
Age: 31
EPG: 12.0
Contract: two years, $10.3 M ($5.2 M per)
Bell is getting on in years, but he can still defend and shoot the three. I could have put in a couple other guys. This guy was on the bubble, but since some of my friends affectionately call me Raja Bell (based on one of them calling me "Raja" after seeing me wear my orange Tatum Bell Denver Broncos jersey), numéro 19 gets the nod.
Feel free to shout if you disagree.
Once again, thanks to John Paulsen, wherever you are.
And to conclude, MY vote for our SG of the future:

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I'm too lazy...
... to check the PG post, but I assume you listed the likes of Iverson and Monta Ellis over there? Also, I assume you are considering the likes of Rudy Gaym Caron Butler and Hedo Turkoglu as SFs?
If the answers to those questions are “yes,” I’d say you’ve assembled another solid list. I’d disagree on a few placements, but only by a spot or two.
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by jksnake99 on
May 30, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
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Thanks,
and yes, Iverson and Monta Ellis are in the PG list.
Rudy, ‘Bron, and Turkoglu are forwards, according to their team websites. If I ever get enough energy worked up to do another one of these, they’ll be in there.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
May 30, 2008 12:31 AM PDT
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I like it.
Roy might not be number two for me, but I can’t think who would go in his place. Your PG list had way more young exciting players. Where did all the shooting guards go? I think your list is just about perfect, but it still makes me sad.
If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley
by Winchester on
May 30, 2008 12:39 AM PDT
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I do think Wade>Roy for now.
I’d have Roy at 3 even being the homer I am, and I think fans of most other teams would have him much lower.
At least until next year, when Roy dominates the playoffs and opens fans’ eyes. ;)
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on
May 30, 2008 12:52 AM PDT
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Yeah
I think putting Roy at #2 is giving him too much credit. Even though Roy is my #1 SG in my eyes, he hasn’t done THAT much to prove he’s worthy of being above the likes of Wade or Rip. If he has a dominating year next season, he’ll definitely deserve it more.
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by mannyfresh1 on
May 30, 2008 1:30 AM PDT
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agree
I think prezofdeath was considering the fact that Roy is younger than those guys. Given that he was an allstar in his second year, its not unreasonable to think he could be better than the Wades, Rips and Manus in the near future. Those guys have all proven more so far in their careers, but I wouldn’t swap Roy for any of them.
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by jksnake99 on
May 30, 2008 1:45 AM PDT
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Your Roy-Wade comparison reminds me of
something I heard or read a couple of months ago. Supposedly Wade said that Roy reminds him of himself, only smarter.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
May 30, 2008 1:53 AM PDT
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I think it was
“He’s an under-control me”
by begottenson on
May 31, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
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correct
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
by ratbastird on
May 31, 2008 3:23 PM PDT
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That was it. Thanks for the clarification.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
May 31, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
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Roy over Wade....
I’d put Roy at #2 w/o question…. What’s Wade done the last two years….? He’s seen more whirlpools and training beds than hardwood. The sky’s the limit for DW but it doesn’t mean jack when he’s not on the court. I’ll take Roy on the court over Dwayne on the cell phone any day….
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by raisedbed on
May 30, 2008 2:01 AM PDT
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Hey hey
Gimmie’ ‘dem socks!
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
May 30, 2008 7:19 AM PDT
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up on a horse.....
....looking real fierce….eatin’ a cheesesteak.
You tryin’ to be funny?
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by 92wastheyear on
May 30, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
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That was nice
the way you fit into those tiny little shorts… sexy
"My, that is a handsome fella. He must be the offspring of a Greek God!" - Bill Walton calling a Clipper's-Laker's game as Luke Walton checks in.
by JTDuck22 on
Jun 3, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
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Tracy McGrady
I think he is underrated on this, even though he has been injury prone. I’d say the same about Dwayne Wade. For the most part though, pretty well put together. I wonder how many people think Jarrett Jack should have made the top15. Because he is, after all, a combo guard you know….tehe.
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by silkybrown on
May 30, 2008 2:07 AM PDT
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Big props...
nice work. I might bump up Iguodala and Joe Johnson a spot or two. But other than that, very well done. This post is recommended!
by The Graduate on
May 30, 2008 5:22 AM PDT
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At first I thought Roy might be too high
But considering his upside and salary, I think you’re right.
McGrady is probably a little low. Ginobilli is aging, never has that been more obvious than the Laker series, or he would be higher. Wade doesn’t seem to care about hoops anymore, and I’m getting really tired of seeing him in twenty-five commericals every evening while watching playoff basketball, or he should be higher.
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by leeroyjenkins on
May 30, 2008 6:48 AM PDT
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I thought Tracy was a little low, but I don't know who I'd bump him for.
He’s only 28, but he’s already injury prone, and he hasn’t really won much. His salary ain’t pretty either.
I guess you could put him above Kevin Martin and Igudala and Rip, but…..eeesh. The Rockets haven’t exactly been the epitome of success….
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
May 30, 2008 7:22 AM PDT
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Nothing
but they haven’t failed in 7 attempts to get out of the first round either.
by tingeyga on
May 30, 2008 7:58 PM PDT
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Ok, so Martin not being able to get his team
to the playoffs is somehow better than getting to the playoffs but falling to superior teams?
I’m trying to understand the logic here…
by howlingfantods on
Jun 1, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
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Martin is young and has time to succeed.
The moon that is Mcgrady is waning fast. Martin is still waxing.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
Jun 2, 2008 9:36 AM PDT
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This was Great
At first I was like “Pssssshhhhhh, Roy #2? C’mon yo…” but the list goes on, and yup—Roy is #2, unless Wade is healthy. Roy sure is awesome, I’m tellin’ ya!
Where HAVE all the shooting guards gone? Whenever Deshawn Stevenson can be in the top 25 of any position, that position is in trouble.
I guess the only one I’d move drastically is Jason Richardson, but I think he sucks. ESPECIALLY for the money he makes. I like AI, Joe Johnson, McGrady, so all could be moved up, but it isn’t like they were seriously undervalued. McGrady has the talent to be #2 on this list, but his playoff failings (his fault or not) just don’t help his value. I can’t believe he’s only 28…
Oh, and is Pietrus a SG? I know it’s hard to tell with Nelly ball, cause he’s played some power forward for them…
All in all, great post, and nice work. It was fun to read.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
May 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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I don't understand why some SFs are on this list but some aren't.
Disagree with lots of these and your pg list, but still kind of a cool project.
TMac, Ben Gordon, Redd are too low. Crawford, Salmons, Pietrus are too high.
The top five is really more like 1) Kobe, 2) DWade, 3) Manu, 4) Tmac, 5) BRoy.
by howlingfantods on
May 30, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
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You can argue about BRoy vs. Wade
but do you think a Manu-led squad is going to bring a championship before Roy? Would the Spurs trade Ginobili for Roy straight up? I’m guessing they would.
You could argue the low placing of Tmac, but I think Roy>Manu any day.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
May 30, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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Manu was better than Roy this year...
... but Manu is 7 years older. I think the Spurs would absolutely swap Manu for Roy today if they could.
I agree that TMac is too low. He’s injury prone but he sure lights it up when he’s at least 70% healthy.
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by jksnake99 on
May 30, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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Well, yeah, of course you think that
but I’m pretty confident that 9 out of 10 basketball minds nationally would say that as of today, Manu is better than Roy. By a pretty wide margin.
by howlingfantods on
Jun 1, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
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Just a few numbers to back this up:
Number of all-nba team vote points for
Manu – 123
Roy – 1
Number of mvp vote points for
Manu – 9
Roy – 0
For the statheads
PER
Manu – 24.34
Roy – 19.44
Wins/48
Manu – .324
Roy – .182
Eff
Manu – 15.29
here’s the season comparison chart, where you’ll find it hard to find one measure by which Roy had a better year than Manu:
I love Roy, and I think he’s going to peak higher than Manu, but be real about gauging the actual on court performance. My fan-hood is enough to get me to boost Roy to #5 on this list, even though most folks around the country would probably put him at more like 7 or 8. Putting him #2 just damages your credibility.
by howlingfantods on
Jun 1, 2008 3:21 PM PDT
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Oops, left out
Roy’s eff, which is the one measure he actually does better than Manu. 19.22.
by howlingfantods on
Jun 1, 2008 3:23 PM PDT
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Very good analysis
but don’t forget, there’s a reason Roy was an all-star and Manu wasn’t.
Manu is the best role player in the game today, bar none.
Roy is the kind of guy who can throw a team on his shoulders and lead them.
Leader>Role player
in my [humble] opinion
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
Jun 2, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
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Not sure on what basis
Manu’s a “role player”. I mean, he was the leading scorer on that team this year, usually the leading scorer on a team isn’t considered a role player. Just because he comes off the bench? That whole “sixth man” thing is so bogus when it comes to Manu—he plays like 2 minutes less than Parker and Duncan. It’s just jedi mind games that Pops plays that he forces Manu to come off the bench.
Manu is a multidimensional primary option on offense - actually other than not being as good a playmaker, I think of Manu as a pretty similar to where Roy’s offensive upside is going to be, after Roy gets better at drawing fouls and becomes more comfortable shooting from the outside. Probably similar stats too - Like Roy, Manu picks and chooses his spots and definitely defers to his teammates to make sure they get their touches. I never really expect to see Roy exceeding 22 or 23 ppg, because he’s just not that kind of ballhog type guy, but I do expect to see Roy scoring 8 to 9 ppg in the fourth quarter when we need him.
by howlingfantods on
Jun 3, 2008 9:14 AM PDT
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I'd have two changes
One is that it’s too early to tell with Foye. He spent half over half the season out, and then when he came back was playing into shape and getting the hang of things again. I think tomorrow will really tell as to what level he’s at.
Dwade > Roy despite the fantasy states or whatever other measurements you want to use. Wade has been injured and hasn’t recovered. He tried to come back too soon, and that NEVER ends up well. He’s healing now and we should see the real Wade step up.
AS for what wade has done… he’s won a championship, completely dominated, and I think he may come back with the same intensity again. We’ll see what two years of eradic play has done to him.
"We play for one thing and one thing only, and that's championships." - The Devil Spawned
by ratbastird on
May 31, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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Nice effort
Plenty of detail and links to others’ posts (smile). Thinking and analyzing are not defunct, just missing for many people. I don’t argue with any of your rankings because I don’t see them enough to know. I wonder where you will put our Rudy next year? Would be fun to have Roy and Rudy in the top 5 of both SG and PG! (Ok – I know it is totally unreasonable to have such high hopes for Rudy but it is so much FUN!)
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
May 31, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
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Thanks
I just make simple observations…it’s everyone else’s posts that are worth reading in my opinion. Winchester’s little pie chart was amazing the other week! And the “Don’t gut our roster KP manifesto” is verryyyy well thought out. The BEdge community is very insightful at times in my opinion. So I try my best to link to others’ good stuff.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on
May 31, 2008 10:10 PM PDT
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Anthony Parker
should be higher. I know he’s older but c’mon, the guy is really good, and he doesn’t get any attention since he is playing in Canada.
I also think Manu is higher than Roy this year. Next year…might be Roy all the way.
But all in all, good fanpost.
by jamon51 on
Jun 3, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
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i think that Anthony Parker
gets thought of in a lesser light because some people think that his sister is a better player than he is
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