Bench LaMarcus!
by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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Before I get lynched here, let me explain. This is not a bash Aldridge post. I'm a big fan. But looking at the line-up next season I can't help but wonder if we might benefit from a Manu Ginobili type rotation where one of our big three comes off the bench. Here's why.
1. With Oden and Aldridge starting the white unit has no offensive low post presence. Joel can't score and Frye barely steps more than a few feet inside the three point line.
2. If LaMarcus and his shooting is such a great complement to Oden, wouldn't Frye's shooting complement him pretty well too?
3. Aldridge and Pryzbilla are coming off of a whole season of playing pretty well together.
4. That would give us an inside/outside combo of Roy/Oden on the starting squad and Rudy/Aldrridge on the white unit. Throw in Outlaw and MarWeb where you wish.
5. On the podcast the other day Dave talked about the need for more consistent scoring off the bench. Problem solved.
The lineups would probobly look like this (not considering any player movement this off season).
Black Unit
Blake/Roy/Webster/Frye/Oden
White Unit
Jack/Rudy/Outlaw/Aldridge/Pryzbilla
Reserves
Sergio/Jones/McRoberts/LaFrentz/Draft Pick
Of course the majority of the minutes at PF will still go to Aldridge so the big three will spend quite a bit of time on court together, especially at the end of the first and second half. But I don't see how we can pair up Frye and Pryzbilla, or even Outlaw and Pryzbilla, and leave them out there together for very long.
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by Poot on May 29, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
not a bad thought
probobly not necessary though. There are plenty of ways to mix things up, like leaving LMA in to play with the white unit, then resting him and playing Frye with Oden for a while. No need to take him out of the starting lineup.
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by jksnake99 on May 29, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
yup
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by BlazerFan1 on May 29, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think theoretically it's a good idea
Except not. You want your big three playing together, dominating the other team. Our bench can score just fine. With that said, this is why I want to KEEP Jack—I think he’s great for the second unit. Really gives us a scorer on that unit.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on May 29, 2008 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except not.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't too childish of a reply was it?
Read my signature.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think of the Spurs doing it then?
And Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili still play together quite often. But I’m not completely sold on it either, just a thought.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manu Ginobili was an afterthought to the Spurs' dynasty
who happened to be good. The dude was, what, the 59th pick or something? The Spurs were a good team without him; he just added flavor to their already massively tasty steak.
Our main core is set; if we want a Manu, it’s going to be either Trout (already coming off the bench), a trade addition, the 13th pick, or Rudy. It’s not going to be one of our core players who’s been with us since the beginning.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on May 29, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginobili
Is not an afterthought now he is one of their big three and has been for a four or five years. I don’t see what difference how long he’s been there makes.
Besides, he got there exactly one year after Parker. Does that mean that Oden is an afterthought for us because he got here after Aldridge and Roy and this year we were pretty successful without him?
I guess he’ll be the teriyaki on our already adequate chicken.
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by TubbaDubba on May 30, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Jack
is something we don’t hear very often. Probably a good idea unless we can get a major upgrade.
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by Winchester on May 29, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
Although I’m sure I’ll get flamed by 7/10ths of BE.
by DonkeyShins on May 29, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
It’s really just a vocal minority. It only seems like 7/10th. Besides, roasting people doesn’t make for good conversation. Unless of course you have bad grammar. Then it’s gloves off, man!
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by T Darkstar on May 30, 2008 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also agree
and think it is a good idea to keep J. Jack, as a good offensive option.
by chickenmelt on May 30, 2008 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say it more...
I did for a long time and felt like a broken record. It is kind of annoying when people act like he is chopped liver. We did win 41 games and he did contribute to a few of those.
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by tssbro on May 31, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
and that’s exactly why I’d like to see us get a banger next year. I LOVE Frye, great personality, but we need a rebounder/low post guy for the second unit. Someone that plays like Perkins did last night. Crash the boards, and put it back up. A garbage guy. I have no answers, but that’s what I’d like to see.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on May 29, 2008 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
I see what you’re going for, but I’m a believer that you play your 5 best players the most… meaning that they usually start.
Besides, leave LMA as a starter and you have Rudy, Outlaw, and Channing… that gotta be 30-35 points right there, right? (Outlaw averaged 13, Channing 8… Rudy’s good for at least 9, right?)
Blake brings it up on the right, swings it to Webster on the elbow, he moves around the key and passes to the low left block for Aldridge, Aldridge jukes baseline, turns back in and finds Roy cutting down the seam, ROY THROWS IT UP AT THE RIM FOR ODEN WHO THROWS IT DOWN FOR THE TWO HANDED MONSTER JAM!!! BOOM-SHAKA-LAKA!!! -Wheeler '08-'09
i can't wait
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
There should be enough scoring punch. Channing is a good scorer is nothing else, Outlaw is a scoring specialist and the bulk of our bench scoring last year, and Rudy is the best scorer in Europe. Aldridge doesn’t need to help the bench, meaning he should start IMO.
by poster on May 29, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channing is a good scorer and nothing else
This is an idea I see propagated a lot around here, and it’s simply not true. Channing cleans the glass like a scullery maid. On a per-minute basis, he outrebounded a few scrubs you may have heard of: Amare Stoudemire, Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, David West, Josh Smith, Rasheed Wallace, and our own LaMarcus Aldridge to name a few.
Frye is a softy on D. He has no post game to speak of. He blocks no shots. But he does mad work on the backboards.
by BlazersOrBust on May 29, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, typo
I meant to say “Channing is a good scorer if nothing else”. I’m simply saying Channing’s best trait is scoring. I know he is an okay rebounder, but he is merely average for the center position. I suppose that’s nice, but it’s nothing special. A lot of good bigs are poor rebounders. Other good traits Channing has is his free throw shooting and very low turnover rate. Those are Channing’s real strengths IMO (besides the mid-range jump shot).
by poster on May 29, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still no low post presence on offense though.
That means bombs away from jump shot land. Worked great during the streak, not so great later on. Better hope they’re hitting.
And I completely agree that you play your five best players the most, that’s why I said:
“Of course the majority of the minutes at PF will still go to Aldridge so the big three will spend quite a bit of time on court together, especially at the end of the first and second half.”
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Aldridge a post presence?
Was he a post presence last year? 65% of his shots or so were jump shots according to 82games.com. Even though some of them originated in the post, that’s still a rather large amount. Even if he was a post presence, how much would it hurt to not have one for a small amount of time each game? We won all six games without Aldridge (luck was almost certainly involved). San Antonio has no post presence once Duncan leaves the court, using a very guard-oriented attack with Ginobili and role players mainly.
I just don’t think that’s enough of a reason to make it unlikely for Aldridge to play 36 minutes a game.
by poster on May 29, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Go small and run the other team to death. Don’t necessarily need a post presence. Sometimes it’s okay to have a specialized unit of uber-athletic slashers.
Also, with Frye pulling opposing defenders out, it opens the middle for Rudolfo and Outlaw to get to the rim.
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by bfan on May 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were one of the worst fast-break teams in the leauge last year
The only time small ball worked for us is when we were hitting our jump shots. Let’s give it a little while before we declare ourselves the Phoenix Suns.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm ...
Well, I don’t think anyone’s declaring our second unit to be the Phoenix Suns. But we do have Rudolfo coming over, and he does like to slash and run and dunk and stuff. And Frye likes to run, too, and since he won’t have to stick around to rebound as much since Pryzzy will be doing that for the second team, he can leak out on the break a little more than last year. And maybe Serge will get a few more minutes with Rudolfo on the team, and he sure likes to run. So no, our second unit will not be the Phoenix Suns. But will they be able to run a bit? Well, yeah, I think so.
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by bfan on May 29, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see if we can improve on last in the league first
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by TubbaDubba on May 30, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
How could we not? Insert # 1 draft pick & # 1 euro, and walla, improved fast break. But thats only if at least one of the 2 can make a difference on defence.
What did Oden say to the stork?. "Admit that you have got lost". amlmart
by ptwnblzr on May 31, 2008 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D*mn, Donky beat me to it:(
look down, he really did
What did Oden say to the stork?. "Admit that you have got lost". amlmart
by ptwnblzr on May 31, 2008 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Good fast breaks start with good defense and the outlet pass. Something we were sorely missing. If we had a big man like Walton or Sabonis…or…dunno…Oden grabbing rebounds and launching passes, we’d probably be able to successfully fast break more often. Of course, our perimeter players would have to step up as well both on the defensive and offensive ends.
Given Oden’s speed, I’m betting he’s fast enough to start the fast break with an outlet as well as finish as the trailer.
by DonkeyShins on May 29, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden won't help the second unit run
The point bfan was making is that our second team could play small ball.
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by TubbaDubba on May 30, 2008 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aldridge is the best or second best post presence we have
And he got pretty darn good down there at the end of the year if you remember.
I didn’t say don’t take them both out at all, I said not for very long. I imagine they will both be out of the game at times.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
im pretty sure he is the best post pressence at this point. as i remember oden hasnt played a game yet and his offense will be rough for a little while. also having two dominant low post players will work like duncan and robinson or sheed and ben wallace, if you could name a team that has their second best post sitting on the bench when they dont play the same position as the starter feel free
by blackandwite323 on May 29, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about....
Curry/Zach
Magloire/Zach
by snudger on May 29, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do the knicks still count as an NBA team?
by blackandwite323 on May 29, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Just not one worth watching except to witness their fans suffering.
I think I have a man crush on Bobby Flay.
by tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all
I said first or second for exactly that reason, we don’t know, but Oden could immediately be our best low post scorer. So Aldridge would be first OR second. We’ll see.
Second, and please do a little reading above so I don’t have to keep repeating myself over and over and over again, but here it goes one more time.
ALDRIDGE COMING OFF THE BENCH DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE AND ODEN WOULDN’T STILL PLAY SUBSTANTIAL MINUTES TOGETHER. JUST LIKE PARKER AND GINOBILI.
I certainly never suggested that having two low post players in the game was a problem. What I said was that having none is not ideal.
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by TubbaDubba on May 30, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice thought,
but you are also assuming the Blazers sub using five-man rotations. Next year I could see Oden going out at the six minute mark, while Aldridge plays most of the 1st quarter. My bet is that a tandem of Przybilla and Frye are only on the court for four minutes again.
by The Graduate on May 29, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not assuming that
If I was then Oden and Aldridge would never be on the court together which is contrary to what I said. I do, however, think that one or both of them should be on the court pretty much at all times. LaMarcus off the bench is one way to accomplish that.
It’s not like Parker and Ginobili are never on the court at the same time, but they don’t spend much time on the bench together.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freeland will have that 2nd unit post spot locked up by training camp.
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by bfan on May 29, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the different diary subject
But…..Are you crazy?
by Sabonis4Ever on May 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was tired of talking about point guards
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem pretty passionate...
it’s definitely unconventional, but, ehhh… no way.
You want a low post bench guy, trade some of our picks and reserves for one, that’s an easy solution.
Blake brings it up on the right, swings it to Webster on the elbow, he moves around the key and passes to the low left block for Aldridge, Aldridge jukes baseline, turns back in and finds Roy cutting down the seam, ROY THROWS IT UP AT THE RIM FOR ODEN WHO THROWS IT DOWN FOR THE TWO HANDED MONSTER JAM!!! BOOM-SHAKA-LAKA!!! -Wheeler '08-'09
i can't wait
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 29, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually not that passionate about it
I’m not sure if I’d even do it. But I do think the idea has enough merit to be logically discussed and not simply dismissed. It is just an idea and one that even I am on the fence about.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I got four votes for being a basketball mastermind.
OK, three votes not including myself. KP, are you listening? The people have spoken! Three of them demand that you hire me immediately! I’d even be willing to start off in Banyo’s spot temporarily.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought that option referred to whoever clicked it
I would have clicked basketball mastermind but I already have a job.
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And know the place for the first time.
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by Magnum on May 29, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If LaMarcus was a playmaking scorer
Then it might make more sense, and be more similar to the Manu situation in San Antonio. They do it so Manu can be the 2nd unit playmaker and slice up the bench of the enemy, and to keep the scoring flow going as smoothly as possible.
LMA surely would give us a potent threat off the bench, but it isn’t the same since he isn’t a playmaker or a guy who will have the ball in his hands anywhere aside from a scoring position. Also, while LMA and Pryz is stronger than Frye and Pryz, Frye and Oden isn’t anywhere close to as strong as LMA and Oden. It’s a drop off in the starting unit that isn’t necessary.
Your argument works for a guy like Outlaw, or possibly Fernandez (if he is what he is). You don’t start them so they can run off the bench with the ball in their hands and not have to work in the framework of the starters gameplan. They can just do what they do (as Manu does when he enters) and keep the ball warm while the starters rest.
LMA doesn’t strike me as a spark off the bench, he strikes me as a 38 minute star attraction.
Plus, like others mentioned, since it’s not like we’ll ever do a 5 man platoon system, it isn’t as if LMA won’t play with Pryzzle a lot. Greg goes out at the 6-8 minute mark, Joel comes in, LMA goes out at the 10 to 11 mark, Frye and Oden come back in, etc.
I guess I just find it not helping us much, and unnecessary. I mean, it’s not like it wouldn’t work, I just don’t think it would add much.
But, it’s interesting to discuss WHY we don’t like the idea, even though most of us will automatically go “NUH UH HE STARTS DOY DOY DUH”. Well, why not off the bench if the minutes are the same?
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 29, 2008 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's about time you showed up here Morty
I didn’t expect you to agree but I knew you’d be good for five hundred words or so.
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by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite all evidence to the contrary
I do SOME work during the day and I’m a busy guy. Granted, no one would ever assume that judging by how often I post here. Procrastinating is my biggest vice. That and speed balls.
Ya know, it’s not like it’s a bad idea or anything, because it got me thinking more about the WHY of it all. I guess to me it boils down to the game flow, and keep the 1st and 2nd unit balanced. That’s why Travis is perfect for off the bench, and I don’t see LMA having the same WHAM BAM impact that Travis has when he comes in. Ideally, it’d be nice if Travis was more of a creator for others and not just a scorer, so perhaps Rudy eventually takes over for Outlaw as the 6th man sparkplug who keeps the attack running with a more 1-man affair.
LMA as the only good scorer on the 2nd unit would make him too easy to guard, and having Roy, Oden, Martell, Blake, etc around him make him a lot more dangerous. Outlaw can score, but you know what he’s gonna do if you guard him. Outlaw doesn’t really help those around him score like being on the starting unit for LMA does.
Also, I like the sheer dominance a LMA and Oden frontline brings, as opposed to a still decent but not awe inspiring Frye and Oden frontline.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 29, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A draft choice big
or Josh McRoberts will provide some more bench punch offensively next year.
But more importantly I see our rotation shortening to three guards (Roy, Rudy & Blake) and three bigs (LMA, Greg and Frye) with Joel getting extra minutes when we need bulk and rebounds and Frye getting extra minutes when we need shooting. Scoring with either Roy or Rudy on the floor at all times will open up the inside. Martell and Travis will share the three and sometimes swing into the 2 and 4 respectively. That is a quality 8-man rotation with good flexibility. The White unit idea was good while it lasted but now probably has lived out its life in practice – at least by next January.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on May 29, 2008 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the smartest thing I've heard all day
I almost completely agree with you, although I do see Pryz getting more time than you suggest due to Oden learning how to stay out of foul trouble and slowly breaking in his recovering knee. I also think there will be another PG in the mix for a few minutes a game whether it’s Jack or someone else, and James Jones for spot duty. So basically, I just turned your 8 man rotation into an 11 man rotation which is not what you were saying at all. But I would like to see three of those guys minutes be pretty slim. So in principal I agree.
"I'm polymerized tree sap and you're an inorganic adhesive, so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction is reflected off of me, returns to its original projectory and adheres to you." - Sheldon
by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I don't agree...
...that a draft choice will help us much next year, especially in the post.
"I'm polymerized tree sap and you're an inorganic adhesive, so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction is reflected off of me, returns to its original projectory and adheres to you." - Sheldon
by TubbaDubba on May 29, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just assumed we would keep the white and black units concept
but you bring up a good point, it might not be neccessary of even a good idea next year.
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And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
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by Magnum on May 29, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I waited and waited and no one said it. I don’t think you can say “lynch” anymore. It has racist connotations, even if you talk about lynching yourself. I honestly don’t think it is a big deal, but people make a big deal out of it.
Surprisingly, most nuns can take a punch.
by tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those connotations you speak of didn't come to mind when I read 'lynch' the first time through
I think the word worked well considering the inflammatory title. I didn’t click the link but I assume that’s the Tiger Woods-reporter fiasco from a few months back. I think it’s a little different in writing and when we know exactly what TubbaDubba meant by it. Good point though, I don’t think we want to offend anyone in here, unless it’s with ridiculously lopsided trade scenarios.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
-T.S. Eliot
by Magnum on May 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He didn’t do anything wrong. I didn’t know it was a big deal until the Tiger Woods thing and then the follow up by Golf magazine with noose on the cover. I just wanted him to know that there’s bound to be someone who gets offended by it. (Well maybe not on Blazers Edge) I offend people all the time, mostly on accidents and sometimes on purpose.
Surprisingly, most nuns can take a punch.
by tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you and I posted back an forth
on this a little while back. The “lynch” thing, when it happened, totally baffled me. That word simply means hanging someone without benefit of a trial. Lynch mobs were vigilantes who had no authority to execute criminals (usually associated with the old west) and did so based solely on personal believe that the ” lynchee” had done something unlawful (like cattle rustling for instance). I think the reporter was wrong…but not for using the word “lynch” , but because she jokingly suggested killing Woods to win a Golf tourney.
"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein
by 92wastheyear on May 29, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not wrong
If Woods was killed, then surely someone else would win the golf tournament. So, she was right.
But her face is full of stupid jerky thoughts and she didn’t think before she spoke. The Golf magazine cover thing was just silly of them to do that, but arguably this might’ve been the most exciting thing to happen to golf in a while.
I think golf needs to use a salary cap like the NBA so smaller market teams can win.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 29, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant!!
Parity is what they need to in Golf. Also corrective surgery to make all the golfers equally talented to would a long way towards evening things out.
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by 92wastheyear on May 29, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wonder
If a woman with fat ankles will ever win the LPGA.
Surprisingly, most nuns can take a punch.
by tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom- are you
giving props to “cankles”?
Ball Don't Lie
by bothteamsplayedhard on May 30, 2008 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmm
I think I have a man crush on Bobby Flay.
by tominhawaii on May 30, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I think of the word
I think of a lynch mob in an old western. Nothing racial.
"I'm polymerized tree sap and you're an inorganic adhesive, so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction is reflected off of me, returns to its original projectory and adheres to you." - Sheldon
by TubbaDubba on May 30, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think of the rap group
I was just throwing out the FYI so’s people don’t get themselves in trouble.
I think I have a man crush on Bobby Flay.
by tominhawaii on May 30, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call 2
its easy to make other people reach to our interpritations, or even intentions, but doesent good ettiqite require a meating in the middle? And if someone is struggaling, and for whatever reason, unable or even unwilling to meat half way, wether due to injury or ignorence, shoudn;t we try a little harder, reach a little further to understand and empithise. EVERY poster understands the racial implications of the word “lynch”. after the wild wild west, in other words more recently, therefor eisier to remember, it was used to describe scare and murder tactics and practices in the deep south. i think we have all spent a little time in school rehashing toby and the history books. cowbows and indians(another proud moment in white history) is not my first thought when hearing the word lynch.
What did Oden say to the stork?. "Admit that you have got lost". amlmart
by ptwnblzr on May 31, 2008 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not really trying to be a preechy a$$
i just think we no better then to pretend we dont no
What did Oden say to the stork?. "Admit that you have got lost". amlmart
by ptwnblzr on May 31, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big 5 and that ain't no jive
Just once I’d like to see an experimental lineup of:
5 Greg, 4 Channing, 3 LaMarcus
or
5 Joel, 4 Greg, 3 LaMarcus
with either a “quick” guard tandem like Brandon and Steve, or a big duo like Brandon and either Martell or Rudy.
Obviously, Nate’s a pretty conservative coach and we probably won’t see three of our biggest bigs in the game at the same time, but if Don Nelson were coaching the Blazers…
by CatMan2 on May 29, 2008 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the first time in the history of everything that Blake has been referred to as a "quick" guard.
Well done. His mom will be happy.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on May 29, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the first time
Look at what NBAdraft.net had to say about Blake:
Strengths: Blake is built like one of the characters out of a Charles Dickens novel. He belongs in Fagan’s band of thieves. He is tall, lean and has the long arms to be an effective thief whether on the streets of London or in the ACC. Lets just say he will rob even the top point guards in the nation blind when he’s playing the type of D he is capable of. Is quite frankly not ever beat on defense. Very quick player on offense and defense. Will beat almost anyone off the dribble. Fast as lightning in transition. Will throw nifty full-court passes with accuracy and generally excels in an uptempo setting. Can get his shot off on anyone due to his quickness and ball-handling ability. Is an expert in schoolyard techniques, such as blowing by his man with gusto and throwing a sick alley-oop to one of his big men. Plays with confidence and is simply fearless in key situations. A four-year starter at one of the top Division 1 programs in the nations. Simply put a tremendous competitor.
by trk on May 29, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get A Rope!
Just kidding. I have read enough here to know that this was mostly meant to stir up interesting conversation, and to take a break from the “Point Guard Mania”. Of course I voted Big 3, nobody here would have believed it was even possible for me to do otherwise – and rightfully so. I do sometimes think that it would be interesting to run some unusual lineups just to see what would happen, but I tend to think that you can’t try silly experiments with an NBA team like some kid playing with a chemistry set.
Gee, I wonder what would happen if…BOOM!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!
by LaMarvelous on May 29, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joey Dorsey
he may be available in the second round
this dude is an absolute beast on the boards , he is goliath and oden is david so why not reunite them, he would be a great hustle player and be able to battle in practice and occasionally get in the game to rebound, a much more valuable asset to the team than McBob
by blackandwite323 on May 29, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting is overrated
I never understood the infatuation with starting. If you play 35 minutes a game either way, what’s the difference? If I knew it would help the team, I’d be thrilled to go after the other team’s second unit.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on May 30, 2008 6:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted....
“I am a basketball mastermind and should immediately be added to the Blazers staff!”
The guy who wrote this fanpost is a raving lunatic, but I am indeed a basketball mastermind. And so, because I am a kind and benevolent mastermind, I will tell you why this is a bad, dumb idea.
1. Matchups. If Channing is playing well, it would be hard to matchup with an Oden/Channing front line. But if LMA is playing well, it will be impossible to matchup with an Oden/LMA front line. Starting Greg and LaMarcus together enables us to grab the game by the scruff of the neck, bounce it off the head of the opponent’s best player, and cram it through the hoop, right from the get-go. By playing these guys together, we can set the tone of dominance from the beginning.
2. Compatibility. This is the beauty of the house that Kevin built. Our Big Three have extremely compatible games. It’s not just that we have three big stars, it is that their games mesh beautifully. As good as each one is individually, the three together are greater than the sum of the parts. I want to see those three guys spend 25 minutes per game on the court at the same time. Minimum.
3. Sergio/Travis/Rudy. Picture this. A first unit of the big three, Martell, and Steve. Punishing half-court game with the occasional fastbreak off of blocked shots, long rebounds, etc. Then, the second unit comes in. Who on the team had the best rebounds per minute numbers last year? Joel and Channing. They grab the boards, and Sergio, Rudy, and Travis release on the break, Channing trails along and gets an easy bucket now and again. That will create some havoc, for sure.
Oh, teams will stop that fastbreak sometimes? Yep. We won’t have a low-post threat on offense on the second unit? Yep. But since we’ll have three guys who can make things happen on their own (Sergio, Rudy, Travis) and Channing to help spread the floor, even if we’re going 4 on 5 with Joel in there, it will be hard to shut that unit down.
4. Double-teams. If LMA is on the second unit, he becomes the entire focus of the second unit scoring threat. You want him to be a low-post threat? Fine, but if he’s on that unit with Joel, he’ll be doubled every time he goes to the low post, so we gain little. Because Joel isn’t an offensive threat, the best thing you can do on offense with the second unit is NOT have a single player as the focus, but have a bunch of guys who are all threats from a variety of places. Joel’s man can’t double-team Channing in the high post, Travis wherever he is, Sergio while penetrating, and Rudy slashing to the hoop. He can help on one of those guys, but not all of them. If LMA is THE second unit scorer, he’ll face a ton of double-teams. Waste of his ability.
5. Chemistry. If we want Channing to stay happy on this team, we do not want him thinking he’s the starter, but wondering why he never plays more than 18 minutes.
So, now that I’ve destroyed this idea, why was it good?
Because thinking outside the box is always a good plan. But in this case, the result is not good. I have spoken, and thus it is so.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on May 30, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
"If OJ Mayo falls to the 2nd round We should risk one of our 3 second round picks on Mayo". Mortimer.
by amlmart1 on May 30, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hallelujah!
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on May 30, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brothers and sisters!
Hey Ann, Luis told me yesterday that he will send today the drawings (I wonder how many). Hope our lazy friend moves his butt.
"If OJ Mayo falls to the 2nd round We should risk one of our 3 second round picks on Mayo". Mortimer.
by amlmart1 on May 30, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good! Travis and Sergio are getting pretty rowdy here while left to their own devices. They need their coach!
But I love tracking packages in the mail so I’m looking forward to that. Thanks again amlmarty.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on May 31, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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