This guy will win you a championship.
This could be a fan post about Tim Duncan, Shaq or Kobe, but it isn't. It's undeniable that you need a Jordan or an Olajuwan, or a Magic (the Pistons' latest championship team possibly excepted) but it's just as undeniable that you need another guy.
I'm not even talking Pippen, Drexler or Wade here, I'm talking about the fifth or sixth or seventh guy. I'm talking about a guy named Kerr, a guy named Horry, or Fisher or Ainge. Or maybe I'm talking about Bowen or Paxson, or, or... Rodman.
There is so much talk about the Blazers needing a star point guard or small forward but the simple truth is that there's only one basketball to go around and the guy who will (help) win you a championship is the guy who knows how to stay out of the way until his particular skill set - whether it's as a three point specialist or as a spark plug or as a defensive stopper - is needed. Then he steps up, wins you that one critical game, and watches someone else take the credit.
Given that you need no more than three stars (I think the Blazer team that boasted 10(!) lottery picks proved that more is not necessarily better) to win a championship, I believe that instead of looking for more fire power we should be turning our attention to these secondary players and their roles. As I see it, this team has three possibles for this role:
1) Martell Webster. I have long said that Martell will never be more than a fifth or sixth man on a good team. This, my friends, is not a bad thing. If he can develop any kind of a dribble and improve his defense and drop his shot more consistently, Martell can and will be as valuable to a championship team as Bruce Bowen or Steve Kerr.
2) Steve Blake. Blake, in some ways, fits the bill to a "T". He will never hurt you, he does his job very well without getting in the way of the primary men and he isn't afraid to step up when and as needed. I see Blake as more of a backup than a starter but as a potentially valuable piece of the puzzle either way.
3) James Jones. Again, I see Jones as more of a sixth or seventh man. I think he is the shakiest of the three in this conversation as I think he is more of a one trick pony than the other two (provided Martell continues to improve and begins to find trhe bottom of the net). Although I like Jones and he has had an undeniable affect on the team, I just don't see him as the guy I'm talking about.
Will one of these guys be "this" guy? Or will it be someone else?
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I've always thought about it that way
I think Joel Przybilla fits into the mold also, a stopper backup center. James Jones also fits perfectly.
by robrun2 on May 26, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the Spurs
No one out of the big 3 average more than 1 TO. That is how they win championships.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on May 26, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good commentary.
I think the reason you have these guys is because your starting 5 is so stacked, your bench players are bound to be valuable contributors. Good article though.
Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.
by prezofdeath on May 26, 2008 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trout all the way, baby!
He’s the Vinnie Johnson of forwards.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on May 26, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
QP, My hero.
"We comin along." Travis Outlaw
by annthefan on May 26, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
13 pts off the bench plus that indefinable something that makes him unafraid to take (and make) big shots is extremely valuable. and there’s reason to think he’ll continue to improve.
ignacio
by ignacio on May 26, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's what I think makes him more valuable than Martell
Not as a piece in a trade, but on this team.
by Junior Del Norte on May 26, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Martell plays defense now on a level that Outlaw never has and probably never will. Martell is only going to get better on defense. He’s also a better rebounder and a better 3 point shooter.
By year five Marty will leave Travis in the dust.
by BlazerD on May 27, 2008 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, friend BlazerD
though the stats would beg to differ about Martell being a better long-ball shooter than Trout. More profligate, sure, but more accurate nope. That’s the only point of disagreement though.
I’ve said it before: I don’t see how you can advocate trading Martell to be able to start Trout. He’s not the starting SF to me, because his offensive game is predicated on isos and what would be bad jumpers for nearly anybody else in the league. He’d be the fourth offensive option on our starting unit and his style doesn’t mesh with that basic reality. He’s not nearly a good enough rebounder as somebody 6’9” with his athletic gifts should be, and I have serious doubts about his ability to defend starting 3’s on the perimeter.
As the Microwave Man off the bench, yeah, I like Trout. But he’s our most attractive and available trade chip, and if trading him means that we pick up the PG of our championship team, be it through the draft or a player already in the league, I make that trade without thinking twice. If Rudy’s everything we’re expecting him to be, we’ll already have a Vinnie Johnson-style replacement waiting in the wings.
by BlazersOrBust on May 27, 2008 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been saying for a while
that this team needs (or will need) a Reuben Patterson type (without the sexual misconduct-Z-bo scaring factor, of course). Someone who will go out and rattle someone with thier hustle and defense and get a rally going all by themself.
"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein
by 92wastheyear on May 26, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Word up
I don’t know who this year’s Maxiell/Millsap/Landry player will be, but I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that KP is targeting a player just like that with one of our high second-round selections.
Isn’t dollars to doughnuts a weird phrase? Cuz you’re setting it up to mean, “I’m so confident that I’m going to bet something of significantly greater against something of significantly lesser value,” but really, there are lots of times when I’d rather have doughnuts than dollars. “Dollars to brussel sprouts”, I could understand that. Maybe the phrase was coined in a time of great doughnut plenty where one needed only to extend an arm to find a Boston creme or a chewy sugar glaze.
by BlazersOrBust on May 27, 2008 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff, Ken
Yes, I think Martell can be one of those guys. At 21, he still should be able to improve his defense significantly. And his percentage on 3s, already decent, should bump up another 2-3 points. He actually has the potential to be more than just a 5th-7th man, but if we want to talk probabilities rather than possibilities, it is probable that he can be a solid defender, decent rebounder, and very good long-ball threat to keep defenses honest.
Yes, I think Blake is probably another of those guys. He’s won before, in college. That matters. The guy knows how to play a role, to win. We can win with him as our starting PG, with the dominant players we have elsewhere. We may trade to improve at the point, or one of our young PGs may develop into a starter, but I see Blake continuing as one of those championship role players.
Trout and Rudy could both be that guy. They both could play the role of instant offense off the bench. Travis can play the role of the guy who will hit the game winner for you. He might only play 12-15 minutes a game on a championship team, but would win a few games with 4th quarter heroics and a few others by making a blowout happen early. Rudy is the kind of scorer that could come in off the bench and singlehandedly outscore the other team’s bench in one of those 5-8 minute stretches. Again, he may be much more than that, a true star. But it is probable that he will at least be a key role player, the kind of guy who will, playing beside your stars, win you a championship.
Joel is the guy who can come in after Greg picks up his second foul halfway through the first quarter and holds the fort for the next 12-15 minutes.
Sergio is the guy who comes in and lights a fire when nothing has been happening, and gets you back in the game.
We have lots of guys who can win a handful of games for us, keep us in a game when our stars are out, and make key contributions at important times. Which ones will rise to the occasion of being championship-level rotation players?
Probable: Martell, Steve, Joel, Travis, Rudy.
Reasonable possibility: Channing, James, Jarrett
Not so likely, but could happen: Sergio, Koponen
Any of these guys could be traded, of course. It is possible (but unlikely) that none of them will really pan out, although with Joel and Steve we pretty much know what they are. They’ll be solid role players for us, or for someone else.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on May 27, 2008 7:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All the above is why KP commented that with Rudy and Greg coming in this year, it’s already been a good draft. And, it can only get better. Portland does have some good and improving young talent. We’re solid in the front court – indeed, almost too solid, and Rudy seems to have a scoring and ball handling ingredient that the Blazers want to see in the backcourt – making us stronger there. And, as anyone who watches these over-hyped drafts knows, most of the talent is 19 years old, and has one year of history. Drafting Freshmen is a real crap shoot. As often as people talk about who does make it, you have that other list of those that don’t – or don’t remotely live up to their draft spot hype. You know who you have with people like Blake, Pryzbilla, Webster, Outlaw and Frye. KP has made a living off of the mistakes others routinely are making with these drafts. The Aldridge trade was a classic, as was getting Fernandez for little or nothing at the bottom of the first round last year. If we keep what we have, then Outlaw will start playing minutes behind Webster – and can still back up the PF spot when needed. And, at guard, if you get three good ball handlers into your rotation, having the “star” may not be as important as we think. An interesting post pointed out that none of the championship PG’s have that many assists – primarily because the players on those teams all distribute the ball well. It’s called “teamwork”. So – what do we “really” need? Good Question isn’t it.? Other than some patience. After all, once Oden and Rudy have a year under their belt – we’ll know a lot more about what we “need” – or don’t need.
Still, I get a sense that they feel like they want to upgrade at SF, and would take a good PG if they could find a better one than Blake. But that could be as much a trade, as a draft.
by Eben Calder on May 27, 2008 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree with you more, ken
I think the primary ingredient that this team needs is time.
Blake brings it up on the right, swings it to Webster on the elbow, he moves around the key and passes to the low left block for Aldridge, Aldridge jukes baseline, turns back in and finds Roy cutting down the seam, ROY THROWS IT UP AT THE RIM FOR ODEN WHO THROWS IT DOWN FOR THE TWO HANDED MONSTER JAM!!! BOOM-SHAKA-LAKA!!! -Wheeler '08-'09
i can't wait
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 27, 2008 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Martell and James Jones cancel each other out
Jones has a little more saavy, Marty has a little more youth and energy. I’m not a huge fan of either, but at least Marty has a slim chance to improve.
I think Blake and Joel are going to play a big role in getting this whole deal started, I don’t know if they’ll be there to finish it. I still think there are two or three as-yet unrevealed pieces before the Blazers are in the title mix.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on May 27, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I always hear that Martell is about to blow Travis away and I would love to see it end up happening, but I haven’t seen evidence of it yet. Travis did great things at PF this year, and I think he can do even better at SF. He’s a good shot blocker for a 3, and I think his defense will improve. Maybe Martell’s will be better, but I haven’t been overly impressed at this point and I think people underestimate Travis’ basketball intelligence. He’s not an idiot so with his length, young age and athletic ability I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to improve defensively. Same goes for Martell, though. In his case it’s probably more a combination of strength and athleticism. James Jones doesn’t seem like he’s staying, though. A while back he was saying he knows how to put the ball on the floor and make plays but can’t do that on this team. I like him but I think he’ll be gone soon.
by Junior Del Norte on May 27, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a real hustle guy
in the model of Brian Cardinal. I hear he’s available at bargain basement prices, too.
True story: watching his final “run” in the tourney, Brent Musberger explained that you could tell what a hustle player he was by the fact that he played the game with kneepads on. Seriously, though, how did a guy who was balding with kneepads IN COLLEGE make it into the league? He looked like half the baby boomers I play pick up with when he was twenty. Rule of thumb: if they are noticeably balding in college they’re not going to pan out. Bad news for Daequan Cook.
Back to irony: Portland should totally sign Cardinal for our title run. Champs ‘08, baby!
BLZRS FRVR
by nightbluefruit on May 27, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinal scored over 30 points once
Imagine if the change of scenery would make him brang that A-game, every game? Friends, we’d have the new league leader in scoring who also happens to be ALL HUSTLE.
Maybe his kneepads were used to help convince a curious GM to use a valuable draft pick on him?
Kevin Love is balding too.
Mortimer
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