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This year's sleepers

Which players do you think might be the sleepers in the draft?   The next Tony Parker or Tyshaun Prince or Josh Howard?

For the purposes of this question, consider a sleeper to be someone who gets drafted outside the top ten and ends up making the rotation next season and/or is a starter by year three.

My list:

Chris Douglas-Roberts

Roy Hibbert

Brandon Rush

Courtney Lee

Jason Thompson

possible list makers:

Kyle Weaver

Mario Chalmers

 

Note: by the definition above, Martell is not a sleeper, nor is Travis.  Jack however is borderline.  Were he still the starter, I'd put him in this category.  That he isn't means he just misses.

 

 

 

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I would alter the definition a bit and just say ...

someone who performs much better than expected, or simply should have been drafted higher than he was. Too hard to look at rotations and what not, I think, because a good rookie on a really good team may not see the floor, but a so-so rookie on a bad team will get lots of PT.

Anyway, in order of sleeperness:

1. Joe Alexander. I think teams will wish they had taken him top-10.
2. Brandon Rush. Does lots of things well, though nothing great. Shades of Brandon Roy without the ball/finishing skills.
3. Mario Chalmers. Lights out shooter, tough defender. And he’s from my hometown to boot.
4. Courtney Lee. Great player on a mid-major, will get looked over.
5. Robin Lopez. Not as polished as his brother, but there simply aren’t very many big men who are this mobile. Shades of Varejao. Plays much tougher than Hibbert, but without the finesse.
6. Jamont Gordon. Just a big, tough PG. Needs to improve shooting, but can play D and handle the rock. Could be a solid backup PG.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on May 23, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree with definition alterations

and some nice selections. I’ll have to look Gordon up.

by timg56 on May 23, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to comment

But really don’t know. I’d like to say a Duck will be a sleeper, but I don’t have enough knowledge about this draft class to give a serious answer. So, I’ll just agree with bfan and timg56.

Two

by tominhawaii on May 23, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

the only Duck who MIGHT be a sleeper

is Malik Hairston. but none of them really have an NBA body.

Where have all the flowers gone?

by bilingual octopus on May 23, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope...

I am a big Duck basketball fan, but Hariston’s future is in the NBDL or Europe. I think the “MIGHT” in your post leans toward the no way.

by The Graduate on May 25, 2008 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with Weaver and CDR

CDR is going to make everyone look foolish. I hope he ends up on the Pistons so they can get another title and wear those WWF belts to every home game again. Or not.

Weaver played incredible defense on every NBA prospect guard in the Pac-10. Whether or not he scores at the next level is irrelevant, he will contribute.

Hibbert? I know everyone’s sick of people saying how old Oden looks, but at least Oden plays young. Hibbert plays old. Real old. Dude looks like he’s been suffering from arthritis for two decades already. Hopefully his agent has a drawer full of aleve.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on May 23, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

The Drexler Era Blazers

Consider the 90-92 squads: Only Buck Williams (#3, 1981) was a top ten pick.

Drexler went #14.
Porter went #24.
Duck, Kersey, Ainge, and Cliffy were all second rounders. (Duck was drafted by SA, Ainge by Boston)
Drazen Petrovic was a third-rounder, as was Michal Holton (drafted by Golden State).

Now compare that to the current squad, where we have Oden (#1), LMA (#2), Webster (#6), Roy (#6), and Blake (2nd round, Wizards). Off the bench is Frye (#9, Knicks), Prz (#9, Houston), Raef (#3!, Denver), Outlaw (#23), Jack (#22), Jones (2nd round, Pacers), and Sergio (#27). Possibly add in a 13th pick this year.

by EngineerScotty on May 23, 2008 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Someone who in hindsight should have been drafted higher

with that, here is the official list.

Kosta Koufos (if picked in 20s): No one is talking about him, but a Okur clone who may have a higher upside. Could be convinced to play major minutes in Greece instead of a bench role in the NBA. Has worked hard on his game.

JaVale McGee (if not in lotto): Big man who actually likes playing basketball and has worked hard getting ready for the draft. Knock is he’s raw and doesn’t have a back to the basket game. His mom played in the WNBA and his dad was drafted in the second round by the Portland Trail Blazers (never played a game though). His mom stressed learning the game from the outside in and that may account for his lack of back to basket skills.

Lester Hudson (if he falls to the 2nd round): A lot like Rodney Stuckey, but maybe a JJ with a better shot and longer arms. Not a true point but a great scorer, still he played in a weak division and is 24.

Nicolas Batum (If in 20s): Great role player in Europe with skills to transfer that to the NBA. Should be dominating but doesn’t. Still, some people complain that prospects chuck up too many shots up to get noticed, when they should be training for becoming a role player in the NBA. Hence, his role player status is fine with me.

DJ White (2nd round): Not greatest upside by is Millsap like.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on May 23, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I would like to see the Blazers trade their 13 pick

Up with JJ to get Westbrook. However, if they can’t, and if Westbrook is gone at 13, I’m all for picking up Batum. You can stash him in Euro for a few years, allowing him to develop “au natural”

Your risk-reward is pretty good there as well. He’s not going to be coming in crying for minutes or upsetting team chemistry. It gives you time to see who on our roster is worth keeping, and who isn’t. It helps alleviate our minute crunch, so we can give Rudy some time to see what he can do. Heck, maybe we even give Sergio some time if he comes back next year with an improved game and attitude.

Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.

by prezofdeath on May 23, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

On getting Westbrook, but I’m not sure if taking Batum at 13 would be a good value. Some of the draft sites really like him, but Chad Ford who has connections with NBA teams seemed to think he would slide down into the mid 20s (I think he takes team perceptions into account). In the perfect world, KP would swap picks with Indiana for cash, pick Westbrook at 11, then use Jack and the 2nd rounders to get back into the twenties to snag Batum. If that happened I would create a shrine for KP next to my Buddha.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on May 23, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Portland scheduled a workout for Lester Hudson

DraftExpress said he’s more 6’1 than 6’3, but the 6’9 wingspan is apparently legit, I’m very interested to see if Portland grab this guy.

by spikex on May 23, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

About draftexpress

They had an Interview with an unnamed “Director of Scouting” on May 15th

Director of Scouting, Western Conference Team

"It must be quiet in your world if you want to know a day in the life of me – it might put you to sleep!

Actually, we just returned from a scouting trip to Europe and are obviously preparing for the draft – watching a ton of film and talking to a lot of coaches about prospects. The advantage of watching tape in my mind is really the quantity involved. You can watch a player live maybe 4-5 times, but with the way we watch tape, we can watch a player 30 times if you put the effort in. There is really not a huge difference there, it’s mostly just studying, coming up with your own point of view, justifying it, and then reaffirming it, over and over again. Right now I’m watching a lot of tape by myself, but later on as we get closer to the draft we’ll be watching prospects together all of us—and then start locking in later on smaller targets.

We talk every day about the draft and draft prospects and it is a fun time of year for us as we get the chance to debate about all these prospects. We are always talking about our team and our players as well. We do a mock draft about every 2-3 days as well.

Typically we spend most of the mornings meeting and watching film. Maybe grab some lunch or a workout and then come back and watch more film or make phone calls to coaches, agents, etc. I am scheduling all our pre-draft workouts as well. Having multiple picks in the second round, it’s a new challenge this year, especially with the new rule that allows us to have 6 players at a time working out on the floor. It’s not so much getting players in as it is fitting in the dates everyone wants, as well as the matchups we want to see.

Later on will be the pre-draft camp, which is a great opportunity to see a lot of players at once at the same time, often at times playing a different position than they did in college, which is nice for us. Sometimes they’ll be playing out of position completely too, so that works both ways really. Seeing guys up close gives us an opportunity to confirm what we observed during the season—playing with new faces, a different group of guys than they may be used to, seeing what they’ve been doing since the end of the season, whether they’ve been taking care of themselves physically.

This is a great time of year to introduce all these prospects to our coaches as well. They have a general idea about almost every player in this draft—we prepare them accordingly, give them our stance on different guys—not trying to influence them, but rather make sure they don’t go into the draft blind.

Hope this helps – let me know if you need anything else!"

Is it just me or does everything from the humor to humility tells me that is KP.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on May 23, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doubt it's KP ...

but definitely a Blazer. Mike Born maybe?

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on May 23, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kyle Weaver, Courtney Lee, Lester Hudson,

James Gist, and, if he ends up with Utah, Roy Hibbert. I wouldn’t mind Portland taking any of them, except Hibbert, because I don’t think they need him and the whole “Portland is such a soft team” is really annoying.

by Junior Del Norte on May 23, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Rush

Best player in the second round.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 23, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I always thought he would be a 20-25 selection...

but maybe we just like him because his name is Brandon?

Current team + Greg + Rudy = Blazers losing narrowly to the Spurs in the 2008-2009 Western Conference Finals. Book it.

by prezofdeath on May 23, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

shan Foster

Pritchard’s comment about adding quickness and shooting got me thinking. If there is a trade involving Webster, an additional shooter would need to be added. I don’t know how high Foster will go in the draft (could go as high as #20). But as far as I can tell, he’s the best shooter coming out.

If anyone knows of a better 3pt shooter, please tell me. With Oden and LMA down low and Roy spreading the floor, the Blazers can’t have too many shooters.

The quickness part of Pritchard’s quote would seem to me to be directed at the PG situation. This is one reason that I think Mike Barrett and the “Add only Oden and Rudy” crowd is wrong. With no moves, Rudy would have a LOT of pressure to be the answer. I think that he is part of the answer, not the end all, beat all.

by parkinglotj on May 23, 2008 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Am I the only one who sees Joe Alexander and thinks Luke Jackson??

Maybe I have my Duck Fan Blinders on or it’s the sort of athletic white guy tweener thing.

Luke Jackson has had injuries, but the NBA just hasn’t worked well with him.

Courtney Lee is my sleeper pick, but as a reserve who plays a lot or a starter for certain teams. He could be perfect for New Orleans.

by tweener on May 24, 2008 12:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Alexander = Tom Chambers light?

From what I’ve seen, this guy just doesn’t care about his own body. I love players that play this way. While I might think that Jack has to go, this is exactly why I like him. Roy has a little of this too. I don’t think Alexander was ever injured, but I’d have a concern about this. I’d only want him if Outlaw was traded though. Alexander is not a great outside threat.

by parkinglotj on May 24, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Alexander has a scar from hitting the rim with his forehead… That’s cool!

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on May 24, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you here...

Alexander professes to love the style of Matt Harpring. And what team wouldn’t want that? Check out his draftexpress.com interview.

by The Graduate on May 25, 2008 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Luke Jackson is anywhere near the athlete that Alexander is

On a side note, I recently saw Luke at Jameson’s in Eugene (about a week ago) for a late night drink.

by BlazerD on May 24, 2008 3:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Be Weary of NCAA Tourney raising players stocks from Zero to Hero...

I generally keep up with ESPN Insider Draft profiles, rankings etc. Also read draftexpress.com, nbadraft.net, and mynbadraft.com. I hadn’t seen Joe Alexander anywhere near the first round by any scouts until the tourney this year. I read a story by Chad Ford months ago about being weary of those upper-classmen whose play in the Tourney brings their prospect status up to First Rounder caliber.

Joe Alexander is getting a lot of buzz. So did Adam Morrison… but who I remeber most in this scenario is Chicago drafting Marcus Fizer. What a stud in the tourney, total bust in the pros. Who is your most notorious Zero to Hero tourney rising star that was a bust after being the buzz on draft day?

by Portland Dynasty on May 24, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Chicken or the egg.

Does success in the tourney lead to unwarranted buzz, or is he a late bloomer who just started having real success toward the end of the year?

I think the latter. Not only is he on a very young team, but he had a brand new coach this year who knew how to use him properly. I watched this kid a lot this year, and he looks like a legit prospect to me. The only reason he didn’t get noticed earlier is that he plays for West Virginia, and everybody had written them off until the Big East tourney rolled around and Alexander started lighting teams up.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on May 24, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

He won’t be a bust.

He’s athletic, he can shoot it, he’s smart, coachable, and a great intangibles guy. Along with that he has a great work ethic.

That being said I would not draft him with the 13th, especially since we have 3 decent small forwards.

KP: You know Mike Rice, Mike Barret you've both been very valuable to us this season. But I'd still trade you both for a couple of 2nd round draft picks.

by Dheepan on May 24, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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