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A question of identity

There is a mental disorder in which the afflicted person claims that someone else, usually a close family member or spouse, has been replaced by an identical imposter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion). Well, during the years I've been a Blazers fan, I've sometimes harbored similar feelings about the team.

Just as an individual is generally supposed to retain his or her identity after a haircut or even a heart transplant, we tend to think of a team as having an autonomous existence regardless of trades or free-agent additions. There've been times, though, when I just didn't recognize the Blazers, times when they didn't really seem like my team anymore.

I experienced that kind of alienation when Natt, Cooper, and Lever suddenly vanished, and I've felt that way a couple of times more recently. There's no doubt in my mind, though, that our current group of players are really the Portland Trail Blazers.

Now I know that trades are a fact of life in the NBA. I'm also aware that owners, general managers, coaches, and probably most fans just want a winning (or championship) team. But I am not one of those fans.

It saddens me to contemplate Oden, Roy, or Aldridge being traded away one day, even in exchange for a player as great as LeBron. If we could have traded the entire roster of the Drexler-led Blazers for that of Jordan's Bulls, would I have wanted to do it? Hell, no! All those NBA championships would have been won by "Portland", but it wouldn't have been my team. You might as well (and many people did) simply become Bulls fans.

I'm glad that our team plays hard, and that they have a lot of still-developing talent, and that they appear to be good people. I hope they make the playoffs and win a championship, and the sooner the better. But these guys are like family. I want them to succeed, not some other players claiming to be the Trail Blazers.

That's my ever-depreciating 2 cents...

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This is the first time i was the first responce

I like the sentiment that is seaminly viral now. Broy, lamonster, and Greg are not the only ones on the team. I have been wanting to buy a new jersy for a while, and wont becouse I dont want to ware a 25 to the rose with trout mia. I would love to have a thrilla(stone hands)prizbilla jersy but you never really know. I’m not broke but not trying to drop 50 bucks to comemerate a trade either. altho that would probably make it cooler, I still want to rep the guys I’m watching.

What did Oden say to the stork?. "Admit that you have got lost". amlmart

by ptwnblzr on May 22, 2008 3:16 PM PDT   0 recs

A big extended family

Although I just mentioned the so-called core players in my post, most of the other guys contribute to that organic, covalently-bonded chemistry that makes this Blazer team so much fun to watch. They are family. And if Jarrett does the yard work but is forever putting dents in the family Oldsmobile and collecting parking tickets that we have to pay, and if Sergio is a whiz in chess club but doesn’t seem to pay attention in his math and English classes, well what of it? They’re still our kids, and we wouldn’t send them away to boarding school. Of course, some of our kids may not want to work in the family business when they grow up, or they may go away to college or get married. If so, we’ll wish them well.

by CatMan2 on May 22, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just bought an Oden jersey

And tried to get Barack Obama to sign it but that is a totally separate diary.

by BlazerD on May 23, 2008 4:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i would have taken the six championships

We could have easily made Jordan a blazer

by raging WebTed on May 22, 2008 3:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Ahhh the fickleness of sports fans. Gotta love it.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on May 22, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Clarification

Of course, if we had drafted Jordan, he would have been my favorite Blazer! But we did not, and if at some point we could have traded Drexler for Jordan straight up (nevermind that Chicago wouldn’t have done it), I wouldn’t have wanted to do so. Or, at least, I would have been very conflicted about it.

I shouldn’t give the impression that I’m never in favor of trades. Getting rid of players that don’t play hard, don’t seem to care, or have serious off-court problems (and I personally don’t care about pot-smoking) is fine with me. Trading so as to “upgrade” a position can be acceptable, too, but even in the best of circumstances, it is jarring, and it can lead to that feeling I mentioned where you don’t really recognize your team anymore. That collection of talent which included Sabonis, Wallace, Pippin, et al, was formidable, no doubt about it. I’m not sure they were much of team. And, although I rooted for them and was depressed for quite a while after their infamous 4th quarter collapse, I wasn’t so attached to them that I greatly regretted blowing up the whole shebang. As a whole, they just never developed that … well, chemistry that would’ve enabled them to function better collectively or bond to (at least one of) their fans.

by CatMan2 on May 22, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is exactly how I feel

This is MY team, the Portland Trail Blazers. I want MY team to win, not some hodge podge of other teams like the Celtics got.

Yeah, I can handle trading a player I love for various reasons. I want the team to get better and win. But the idea of trading an Oden/LMA/Roy got Chris Paul or Lebron doesn’t sit well with me. They aren’t Blazers!

We have our Trail Blazers team for the next decade and beyond. The grass is growing in thick and green.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on May 22, 2008 3:38 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree as well

I want to see what these guys can do. We live in a modular world, we change out cars, friends, wives, families, jobs. Not all change is good, not every victory is equally meaningful. If Boston goes crazy if/when the Celtics win it only proves that they are a bunch of no heart frontrunners.

I died every year with the Philadelphia Phillies when I was a kid. I’d do it all over again.

by raoulduke on May 22, 2008 7:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm the opposite

I just want a championship, I don’t care how it happens. I love our guys and would be sad to see them go, but if it brings us a title, I’m all for it.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on May 22, 2008 3:41 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

With the added stipulation that should a team I root for attempt to trade away a key asset to win a championship and fail to perform I would demand the responsible party’s head on a stick. I’m not claiming to be consistent.

Seriously, though, having a bunch of likable, homegrown guys to root for is great. So long as they win.

BLZRS FRVR

by nightbluefruit on May 22, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You say "if it brings us a title, I'm all for it."

But what is that “us?” If the team is constantly trading players, how is that identity of a whole created? If the roster (beyond the bottom five, I suppose) changes every year how does the team create a singular identity that lasts? How do we fans relate to that? If the players are always changing, then our relationship is to the Trail Blazers organization as a whole, a business. I would much rather follow individuals, their growth, their pains and struggles. It humanizes sport.

I would much rather have an enjoyable decade of fandom cheering for players that I felt like I had a personal relationship with (despite never actually meeting them in person) than several or even one championship by a group of men with whom my only connection was an appreciation of the colors red and black. (And they may not even really care for those colors or this city at all. They may be a much bigger fan of only green.)

The identity of the team matters to me a lot. The players, as people, matter to me a lot. I would give up championships for a group of men that I liked and liked cheering for.

by Diesel10 on May 22, 2008 4:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Portland Tradetors FTW?

It never rains for everibody´s pleasure.

by amlmart1 on May 23, 2008 8:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we don't need a pg

Paul and Williams makes people think they are the normal in that they can perform great in the first 1-3 years. Mos PGs don’t truly establish themselves until the 4 or 5th season examples are Kidd, Nash , Billups, Bibby, Cassel and even Tony Parker. grant Parker was good in first several years but he didn’t take off unitl year 4 and 5.

Nate knows this and has obviously been grooming Jack for several reasons. His has good skill on both ends of the court, but more importantly he has a tireless work ethic. That last trait is what made MJ, Michael Jordan. KP knows this that is one of the characteristics he has been drafting for in players. Jack will be the starting PG come our championship years making a 3-guard rotation with Rudy and Roy in the back-court. I see Jack taking on a roll similar to Derek Fischer. That’s all we need from our point, because Oden, LMA, Roy is going to be comparable to Shaq/Gasol, Horry/Odom and Kobe.

Now how does this all pertain to Blake. He was brought in to be a steadying influence so that all our other players can learn and develope on thier own with a stable PG. In other words this allows to grow Jack and/or sergio while having a steady player that allows Roy, Websterm, Lma, and Oden to grow. Blake is accomplishing that goal. Blake further more is humble enough to hand off the righns when he is bested by his teammates at PG. Then he becomes an excellent back-up, in case of injury. He will only need to be replaced/traded if KP and NAte give up hope that Neither Jack or Sergio or Kaponnen will never develope or if refuse taking a back-seat.

by NWfan on May 22, 2008 5:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Sorry I meant to post this in another diary

This post was supposed to be a comment “in defense of Blake”

I had problems with an errant right mouse click which shuffled me to this page (and causing me to have to retype most of my comment.

by NWfan on May 22, 2008 5:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting comment BTW

It never rains for everibody´s pleasure.

by amlmart1 on May 23, 2008 8:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank You!

Finally someone has given me a FanPost that I can feel good about posting to. During the last several days some of the regular posters on this blog have posted comments that made me so mad that I almost posted stuff that I would have later regretted. The very idea that people think we need a Superstar PG so badly that they are willing to blow the current team up if that is what it takes to get them really pisses me off! I would rather do nothing at all, including keeping Jarret Jack than to go off half cocked and make some stupid trade that we might later regret. Fortunately we fans are not the ones that are gonna make this decision – KP is. The world will not come to an end if we don’t “upgrade” the PG position.

In KP I Trust!

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on May 22, 2008 6:22 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm sorry I upset you

If I count as a regular poster, and I upset you, I apologize. I only post about 100 comments a day though, so I shouldn’t count as a regular.

I think me and you see eye to eye and belt buckle to belt buckle. Mine has a picture of Roy on it made of pure brass with rubies for the eyes.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on May 22, 2008 6:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mort...I was thinking

Some days to post a million short posts and other days post 3 or 4 very long posts. Is this caused by a spastic finger or something?

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on May 22, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't specifically remember you as one of the posters that got to me...

but if you say you are guilty then apology accepted. I will not name names. I have always respected you and what you have to say even when you sometimes seem to be competing for the title of “Most Off the Wall”. I happen to think a lot of those “Off the Wall” comments of yours are extremely funny. Current example: “I think me and you see eye to eye and belt buckle to belt buckle. Mine has a picture of Roy on it made of pure brass with rubies for the eyes.”

Post On!

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on May 22, 2008 7:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want to be offensive

LMA looks like Foofur!

Two

by tominhawaii on May 23, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure this is referring in part to me

I apologize if I offended you. I often have different opinions that the majority of BEers so I feel compelled to represent the other side of the debate. I think I’m tend to see our players as not as good relative to the rest of the league as most people. I remember getting a lot of flack around the allstar break for saying the CP3 was “vastly better than Roy,” and I feel his playoff performance validated that. That doesn’t mean I’m right about Rose and LMA- and believe me, I would love nothing more than for LMA to come out next year and make me look like a moron- but I think it points out that sometimes our guys aren’t as good as we think they are.

I understand the attachment to players, and I have it myself to a certain extent. However, the thing about pro sports is that, by and large, these aren’t hometown “Portland” guys. They are the guys that wear Blazers jerseys, so we root for them. I just want guys wearing Blazer jerseys to win a title. I know there is a non-rational component to that, but what is fandom if not irrationality.

I respect your guys desires to never break up the big 3, and I also respect people who disagree with LMA for Rose on a purely basketball sense. I’m here to give the opposite view, namely that I would break up the big 3 in a second if I thought it brought in a better big 3. I think Roy/Rose/Oden would be a better big 3 (but the Bulls would never do that trade so its irrelevant).

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on May 22, 2008 7:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I gave you flack for saying Brandon should not go to the all star game

And give his spot to Baron Davis, but then you said never mind and we were back to being buddies.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 22, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I miss Sabonis...

If Oden can pass 1/10 as well as Sabonis, just run him at the point. All problems solved…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on May 23, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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