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In defense of Blake

    Seems to be a lot of momentum for The Blazers to upgrade at PG. It almost seems to me to be a rabid fervor. Traveling around the blogs and posts of the internet it almost seems to be a given that The Blazer MUST find a way to land a new PG.

    I'm certainly not against upgrading at any position any time one can. However I'd like to take a moment to simply take stock and step back. Would it be the worst thing in the world if we did NOT obtain a PG this summer? Seems strange in a way that so many seem so convinced that The Blazer absolutely must upgrade now, when what I heard most of the season was how much Steve Blake meant to this team.  I kept hearing all season about how he was a steadying influence, ran the team well and we were so lucky to have gotten him back. Plus, there were season long raves about how well Brandon handled offensive exectution during the 4th quarter.

   I know we have all seen the success of Chris Paul and Williams and recently Steve Nash, so there is a strong impetus to suggest to teams that you must have a dominating PG but I suggest that The Blazers don't necessarily need to obtain one right now. Blake, Jack, Sergio, and we have Koponen albeit a unknown in the pipeline.  Could the best move for The Blazers just be to show continued patience with the group we have? I think our next step in development is becoming a Playoff team, not "winning" a championship, and with Brandon, Aldridge, Oden, Fernandez, Outlaw, and our stable of PG choices in Blake, Jack and Sergio I'm thinking that step is possible and plausible even if we stand pat in the PG department.

   I just don't want a rush, or sloppy unbalanced trade to be made in an effort to bring in a slightly better PG that might not even be as good as Jack or Sergio in 3 years.  Of course keep the phone lines open, keep the discussions going but unless it's a "Pritch-Slap" type of trade I'm for a conservative approach this off-season. I think The Blazers are in the enviable position of being able to be conservative. We don't need to make any move out of desperation but strangely when it comes to obtaining a PG the tone I'm hearing is almost desperate and I don't understand that.

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Totally agree

Now is not the time to make a desperate move. It is ALWAYS time to look around and see i there are moves that make sense, but if KP doesn’t find a good deal, there is nothing wrong with starting next season with Blake at the point.

Good post.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on May 22, 2008 11:56 AM PDT   0 recs

I love me some Blake

Trade speculation is fun in the off season, but the reality is. We don’t need to take risks. We have enough pieces to make changes in the future . Don’t trade anybody until we see how they do with Oden.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 22, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very well said...

If something catches KP’s eye, definitely look into it. No sense in rushing to push us to the ‘next level’ if we have to give up part of our core to get hopeful short-term success. Next summer, after a year with the big 3, we can definitely be more aggressive. With people coming off the books, the cap-space clears and that’s when things can really get interesting.

Beaver believer!

by mannyfresh1 on May 22, 2008 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

2 things

1) Even if you assume we need another PG when we make a run at the finals, we don’t need a PG next year. We have a few years to upgrade. Although we will take a good deal whenever it presents itself.

2) If we get a playmaking SF, I think the status quo is fine for hanging banners up in the Rose Garden. Webster may evolve into that but he needs to be making GIANT steps forward for him to fill this role. If we added a Deng, Rashard, Granger type than we would be fine.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on May 22, 2008 12:51 PM PDT   0 recs

Point 1 is exactly it to me

I don’t think Steve Blake starts on a championship-quality playoff team, as much as I appreciate what he brings. I love him but when I look four years down the road we probably need another player. However there’s no rush to get that player THIS year. If the right guy comes along, sure, we’d take him. But no need to make a move for next season.

—Dave

by Dave on May 22, 2008 1:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There really isn't anyone out there we could get

who would be enough better than Blake to justify losing key players or taking on a big contract. Kirk Hinrich, Jose Calderon, and Devon Harris are better than Blake in some ways, worse in others. It would be like swapping your girlfriend who likes beer and a movie for someone who prefers Dom Perignon and the theater but is no better looking. Let me know when Chris Paul or Derrick Rose become available and then we’ll talk.

This is why I want the Blazers to draft Russell Westbrook. If we can get him, he fills a lot of the needs we have at PG, he fits the culture, he can play behind Blake and learn on the job, he has tons of upside, and he’s cheap. It’s a low-risk gamble that could pay-off bigtime if he turns into a stud.

Our championship window doesn’t open for two or three more years anyway, so why the rush to trade for a point guard now? Maybe by the time our cap space opens up, some sleeper will develop into the ideal PG for us and we can take a shot at him. Patience!

by MiledAnimal on May 22, 2008 12:57 PM PDT   0 recs

It's not Blake

It’s the sub. Blake gets us by, and we think he’s great because we compare him to Jack and Sergio. Those two aer simply not cutting it, and if we want to make the playoffs, we have a better chance if Blake is only the second best.

Everyone’s on the same page here. Someone reads desperation into our discussion because we get far enough into to sound like we’re considering it. BE establishes long narratives that go much further than one simple fanpost. Everyone in the Hinrich discussion realizes we’re not talking about desperation but of a possible good deal. You’ll even see lists of free agents for the next few years. We have this fully in mind.

We’re not getting carried away. We’re having a little fun thinking about possibilities. Everyone remembers what’s happening, and when our window is. Props to Steve Blake, but man, you just sold us a little short.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on May 22, 2008 1:42 PM PDT   0 recs

I tried...

...to communicate in my post the idea that I’m never opposed to an upgrade. I don’t mean to sell anyone short and actually I’m not using Blazers Edge as my only source. I understand it’s the off-season and people like to speculate, I think that’s fine and part of being a fan. I’m not singling anyone one person out or any one single Blazer fan site, but in general I’ve been suprised at how focused the idea that we must upgrade at PG and must upgrade this summer seems to be.

When you have Aldridge, Brandon and Oden that leaves PG and SF as the two positions people are probably going to scrutinize the most, I just wanted to forward the idea that I think it is possible for us to advance as a team without making a PG move and also present my personal opinion that we do not need to panic.

Just a few short seasons ago I thought we were in a position as a team and franchise where moves absolutely HAD to be made at the change the core level. It’s a nice place we arrived where we are debating the hows and whys of refinement not the ground up rebuilding that was needed.

I guess I’m just in the camp right now of approaching this off-season with a little reserve, we will be adding Oden and Fernandez on opening night and that will make us the team in the N.B.A. adding maybe the most firepower to the roster of anyone. I’m leaning to saving our big trade or free agent move for the future.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on May 22, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jack has to go

If Jarrett is on the roster next fall, Nate will play him. And I think most of us know by now what that means (turnovers) Jack is only a quality point guard in his own mind. He does have value as a penetrating combo guard, but he no longer is the right fit on Portland’s roster (especially while McMillian is the coach, because Nate will overexpose Jack)

There’s nothing wrong with Blake as a backup point guard. But the ideal guard to play alongside Roy should be able to 1) guard opposing quick point guards better than Blake 2) knock down an open jumper consistently, and 3) be able to run the fast break, while also being able to play off the ball in a half court set. That’s why my target is Devin Harris.

by two4larue on May 22, 2008 1:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Why do you think Nate "loves" Jack?

I hear this one a lot—that Nate gives Jack slack that he doesn’t give other players.

And it may be true—but it may be for a good reason.

Jack and Blake get similar “slack” and play similar minutes. Blake starts, Jack usually finishes games. So to me, it isn’t a Jack-vs-Blake situation.

The guys who haven’t gotten sufficient “slack” from Nate, are two: Telfair two years ago, and Sergio this year. Both of them are widely reputed to be better playmakers than Jack or Blake (especially Jack), and both occasionally do things that are spectacular. And both share two key deficiencies with Jack—poor defense, and lots of turnovers.

So why does Jack get more playing time? I’ve heard lots of things suggested; some of which seem ridiculous, some of which make lits of sense.

1) Response to coaghing. Jack has a good rapport with Nate, and responds to coaching well. Both Sergio and Telfair before him have, at times, publicly resisted Nate’s attempts at coaching-in both cases viewing his conservative approach to the PG position to be a damper on their creativity and artistry. To which one might respond you have to learn to play before you can jam.
2) Similarity to Nate the player. Jack seems to be the most similar to Nate-a ball-control guard who plays a slower-paced, physical game.
3) Dislike of “streetball” styles and showboating. Some have suggested that Nate dislikes any form of showboating, and that Telfair/Sergio both have a tendency to be cute. Nate hates cute, and reins it in at every opportunity. Jack’s frequent turnovers, OTOH, are more often mistakes in execution, and don’t result from showboating, so Nate tolerates them more.
4) Practice. We don’t get invited to practice, so we don’t know what goes on there, but many times a coach’s decisions are not based on what happens during games, but what happens during practice. If Jack takes practice more seriously than do the other guys, this could explain quite a bit.
5) Defense. None of the three is a good defender, but it says here that JJ is the lest bad of the three. Jack tries, but isn’t quick enough to guard most NBA points. Telfair never bothered to try. Sergio tries, but frequently remains clueless, and is often overpowered by his man even when he does stay in front of him.
6) Playmaking. Despite all the reputed creative flair of Telfair and Sergio—the team’s offense often would sputter with them at the point. Jack has the same issue, espcially without a Z-bo to dump it into, but he was able to make a living playing 2. The smaller Sergio and Telfair both have to justify their salary at the point guard spot.
7) Scoring. Jack, for all his other faults, can light up the other team on a regular basis. Both Telfair and Sergio have shown a vast inability to finish at the rim in the NBA, and all three are streaky outside shooters.
8) Off-court issues. Telfair had plenty. Don’t know about Sergio, but he does reportedly smoke. :) Jack, by all accounts, is a Boy Scout.

by EngineerScotty on May 22, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One mistake

“Both Telfair and Sergio have shown a vast inability to finish at the rim in the NBA”

I’m sorry but no. Telfair was an ABOVE AVERAGE finisher at the rim. He had major hops, he could take contact, and he could finish with either hand. I wouldn’t be surprised if every day he PRACTICED faking a dunk, bringing the ball down, and finishing with his left.

Everything else is right on, good job.

by Kelsoballa on May 22, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He did seem to miss a ton of layups while in Portland.

He was an awesome finisher in the streets of New York, but NY streetball (and street scenes) are vastly overrated. I always chuckle when I hear of street players (or worse, prison ballers) talking smack about how they could take on professionals and win.

Scoring at the rim in the NBA is a talent. Some guys do it with power (LeBron), others do it with athleticism. Some do it with precise body control (Nash, Manu, Brandon). Telfair often left his shots short, or got them blocked, when he took it to the hole against skilled defense.

Of course, neither of the Blazer centers that year (Prz, Ratliff) was a threat to score, and Z-bo has never been a great off-the-ball scorer, either-so it often was Sebastian against a forest of defenders. Sergio had much the same problem this year-of the Blazers’ big men, only LMA was a serious interior scoring threat. Prz is Prz, and Frye is much happier lofting jumpers from the elbow.

Another thing that Oden will fix.

by EngineerScotty on May 22, 2008 4:29 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Engineer Scotty is right

Telfair seemed to miss two layups for every slick reverse or high bank shot in traffic that he made. It was so deflating to watch him get in there and have a great drive negated by a shot blocked or altered.

by tweener on May 24, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Scoring and defense

It’s difficult to be successful in the NBA if all you can do is playmaking. Once the opposing defenses realize that you aren’t a significant scoring threat, they can stop guarding you as closely and concentrate on your teammates, which makes the playmaking less effective. If you are a huge defensive liability as well it shouldn’t be a surprise if you have trouble getting playing time.

Jack’s court vision and playmaking ability aren’t that good, but he has other abilities that make up for it. He can drive to the hoop and either score, pass to the big(though Przybilla will probably fumble it), or draw a foul when he gets there. He is one of the best PGs in the league at drawing fouls, and he is a very good free throw shooter. He isn’t quick enough to guard Chris Paul type point guards, but he actually does a pretty good job on the bigger guards. Jack has a lot of flaws, but at this point he is clearly a better player than Bassy or Sergio.

by trk on May 22, 2008 3:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At last, the Man-Crush explained!

Way to go, Scotty!

You seem a little hallucinated with these comparisons.

by MiledAnimal on May 22, 2008 3:13 PM PDT   0 recs

Really my only problem with Blake ...

is how we get torched by opposing guards who simply aren’t very good. It could be that Oden solves all that, in which case I love Steve Blake. He takes care of the ball, finds the open man, and is deadly most of the time when teams leave him, and teams HAVE to leave him to double Roy.

So in essence, I agree. We don’t need to rush toward giving up too much for another player. But if the addition of Oden doesn’t solve this problem, then something must be done, and soon. With Rose, Bayless, and Mayo coming into the league, guarding the 1 position isn’t getting any easier.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on May 22, 2008 3:28 PM PDT   0 recs

allow me to bring this point up again

When Steve Blake was dealt a couple seasons ago to Milwaukee, Kevin Pritchard was in disagreement. KP did not have the clout at the time to trump that deal. When Paul Allen made the smartest move ever naming KP Gm his first thought was re-obtaining Blake. KP believes in Steve Blake. Look what Blake did in Denver with 2 high octane scorers… he got dime after dime. KP knows that with Fernandez and Oden waiting in the wings, Blake’s game is not just going to become better, its going to be truer to the point, more assists and creating opportunities for his teammates.

Steve Blake aint going nowhere… neither is Travis. Jack maybe, and any other slider, but KP’s developing the team that success is made of.

Anyone desparate for a major trade is stuck in the Whitsett universe.

If you dont talk to your cats about catnip, who will?

by bow4meow on May 22, 2008 5:16 PM PDT   0 recs

i wonder if chris duhon might be

a good fit for our bench. hes always been known for his defense, can hit the occasional 3, doesnt dominate the offense when hes in…. and at this point in his young career he might realize hes not meant to be a starter in the nba, so he might be realistic and just try to do what hes told, 18 mins one night, 6 the next.

because if you postulate brandon and rudy and blake as the primary rotation, the flaw there is defense on quick pgs, who duhon could guard. and guard well.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 23, 2008 12:47 AM PDT   0 recs

From what I've seen...

Duhon is a sub-par NBA player, and I don’t hear many people using the “potential” word around him.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on May 23, 2008 7:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bulls fans hate Duhon

probobly more than Blazers fans hate Jack.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on May 23, 2008 8:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gilbert's blog

If you happened to catch Arenas’ blog a while back (if not http://my.nba.com/forum.jspa?forumID=400032200&start=0), he was talking about point guards.

“It’s hard to sit here and nitpick, because usually your pure point guards are your backup point guards. Your Steve Blakes … before it was your Calderon … I considered him when he first came into the league a "pure" point because he never looked to shoot.”

I thought it was interesting that: 1) Blake was the proto-type for a “pure point guard”, 2) That he mentions Blake as a back-up, and 3) The other pg referenced is a pg many have wanted to see in Portland.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on May 23, 2008 8:05 AM PDT   0 recs

Not Me

Roy is th PG of our future. Nate will teach him well, and let him lead the way.

Two

by tominhawaii on May 23, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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