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Over the next couple of days I'm pretty likely to get asked a simple question:  Who will the Blazers draft with the "X" pick?  The problem is, I don't follow the college game enough to give an educated answer.  I can pinpoint our needs, but matching college (or foreign) names to those is not my strongest suit.  So...if you'd like to see and hear your educated guesses get wider dissemination through the mass media give me your thoughts either here or via e-mail.

The Blazers will either get the 13th-14th pick or 1st-3rd.  Who do we go with in those situations?

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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13th-14th pick or 1st-3rd. Who do we go with in those situations?

1) Derrick Rose 6-3 195 PG Memphis

2) Derrick Rose 6-3 195 PG Memphis (if available) or
Michael Beasley 6-9 235 SF K.St. (Best available)

3) Danilo Gallinari 6-10 220 SF Italy 1988 with Rudy on-board we don’t need a combo-guard

13) or 14) Nicolas Batum 6-8 210 SG France 1988 (Best SF available)

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 2:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Both Danilo Gallinari & Nicolas Batum

are playing major minutes on top level European teams. We can salt them away in Europe like we have Rudy Fernandez, Petteri Koponen, and Joel Freeman. Than retrieve them in a year or two.

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chad Ford writes:
"Great size, athleticism, energy. He’s the best pro prospect on UCLA. Scouts have been a little late getting to the party, but the house is crowded now. No way he slips past Portland on draft night if he declares … he’d be perfect for them."

He is perfect for us. He scores a ton of his points off transition baskets, but is still a great spot up shooter. He was the Pac-10 defensive player of the year. He is basically a more talented version of Rajon Rondo. We would have to trade up a bit to get him, but the Clippers are notoriously bad when it comes to the draft so maybe they will do us a favor.

He is so obviously the perfect choice for us I think people get confused.

Good attitude? Check
What about defense? Best guard in the draft.
Can he play well off Roy? Yes.
Can he get the ball to Aldridge and Oden down low? Yes.
Can he get to the hoop? For sure.
Is he athletic? He dunks on people like a smaller Clyde Drexler.
Is he fast? Yes.
Hmm… I don’t know, doesn’t seem like he would fit, let’s draft Batum instead.

BTW, if KP ends up drafting Batum I think my head might explode.

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by Winchester on May 20, 2008 3:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I assume your talking about

Russell Westbrook. When Rose played them Westbrook was the SG. In fact Collision was the PG. We may need a true PG but Westbrook has little or no experience at PG. Westbrook is a combo-guard and Rudy will fill that need.

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook played the point when Collison was hurt

And he did it pretty well. That was when he started moving up the draft boards.

by danielfarrell on May 20, 2008 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook is more of a transition player
Offensively, Westbrook’s biggest source of production (nearly 30% of his offense) curiously comes in transition. He plays a fairly small role in UCLA’s half-court offense (only 8% of his offense comes from either pick and roll or isolation plays) , mostly as a complimentary piece—moving off the ball trying to find holes in the defense to get to the rim with his tremendous strength and leaping ability, or shooting wide open jumpers. It’s pretty clear when breaking down his footage that he lacks quite a bit of polish on this end of the floor, even if he is extremely effective at the few things he does well.
(Draft Express)

Although unpolished he remains an intriguing prospect but may not play much for a couple of years.

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by lee3022 on May 20, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Russell Westbrook

Yes, I probably should have included a name.

Westbrook is a better choice than Rudy for the 1 spot because he can guard quicker PGs. Paul and Parker are killing teams in the West and Westbrook might offset that somewhat. Devin Harris and Rajon Rondo could also help, but I hear they aren’t available.

People love to us the word “combo-guard” like it’s a bad thing. Magic Johnson was a combo guard. Gilbert Arenas went 31st in the draft, partially because of the combo-guard label. One could argue that Michael Jordan was the greatest PG ever. I mean really, all things being equal it would be hard to find a better player running your offense than MJ.

The fact that Russell Westbrook is a combo-guard isn’t really a bad thing, especially on this team. He can guard people Rudy can’t, the fact that he plays so well off the ball is a bonus.

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by Winchester on May 20, 2008 4:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Derrick Collision was the PG for UCLA

DC played more minutes than Westbrook. DC guarded (tried to) Rose. DC guarded all of the “quicker” PGs. When did Westbrook get that experience guarding quicker PGs?

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Read my above comment

Collison was hurt part of the year and Westbrook played the point then.

by danielfarrell on May 20, 2008 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

The official stat sheet for UCLA says:

Collision played in 33 games and started in 32.
Westbrook played in 39 games and started in 34.

So that’s possibly 6 games that he might have covered a PG.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/cumulative-stats.pdf

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave just wants to know what people think.

Obviously you guys have different opinions, but we’ve heard all the debates before. Let’s just answer Dave’s question and be done with it …

by bfan on May 20, 2008 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, just because you have lust in your heart

for Batum, that doesn’t make other players around him on the draft board bad. Considering that your man Batum can’t average double figures in the euro leagues for a team that went 2-12, I’m not so sure why he’s even on mock drafts in the teens, I wouldn’t touch that guy until the second round.

Westbrook did a very good job defensively on Mayo and Bayless when Collison was out. Don’t recall other major matchups.

by howlingfantods on May 20, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check your facts....

Collision only missed the first 6 games of the 2007-8 season.

These are the PGs that Westbrook guarded:

Porland State – J. Dominguez
Youngstown State - B. Davis
Cal State / Santa Barbara – M. Pierce
Maryland - E. Hayes
Michigan State – K. Lucas
Yale – E. Fato

That is the sum total of his PG coverage.
Westbrook played only SG in high school.

by spencerbutte on May 21, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you not watch the UCLA/memphis game?

Who do you think was the only bruin able to guard Rose straight up after Collison got abused in the tourney game?

Westbrook also gave OJ Mayo his worst game of the year.
He has already shown he can defend the two top guards coming out in this draft..NBA scouts are unanimous on his ability to guard quicker PG’s and that he is an outstanding defender.

His draft profile only supports this: “Defensively, Westbrook is nothing short of outstanding, as evidenced by the phenomenal work he did locking down the three top scoring guards in the Pac-10 this season, O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, and James Harden. He is long, strong and very fundamentally sound, getting into a terrific defensive stance on every possession, moving his feet incredibly well, and being absolutely tenacious getting after his matchup. His wingspan, combined with his huge hands and outstanding anticipation skills make him a terror in the passing lanes, and this is a big factor why he spends so much time in transition offensively.

They just aren’t sure about the other areas.

by Pheesh on May 20, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Ok, I’m sorry I insulted Batum, it’s just one man’s opinion.

As for Westbrook guarding quicker PGs, I guess I will have to admit that I was wrong. Whenever Derrick Rose came near him, Westbrook ran away and hid behind Kevin Love. It was actually really embarrassing.

It doesn’t really look like Batumn is doing much in the French league. I don’t speak French though so it’s hard for me to tell.

Nom Minutes Points 2pts 3pts L.francs Rebonds Passes
Nicolas BATUM 26 4.5 33.3% 33.3% 50% 2 3

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by Winchester on May 20, 2008 4:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Many 19yr. old players

need ripening. Batum is one. Setting on the Blazers bench (like Sergio) doesn’t allow that maturing. The process in Europe is one that the Blazers Front Office seem to understand. Playing on a major European Team (like Rudy does) can properly develop a player. Freeman has not getting many minutes over the last 2 years. Hopefully they will correct it. But, I expect the draft picks to be farmed out to Europe.

Batum stats (not the ones you jokingly made up) are not great but he showed what he could do in certain games. At 13th or 14th he is a good pickup.

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think

Batum’s gonna be a nice player, nice D, good athleticism, nice character, bright, team oriented, huge wingspan, good shot-blocker, etc…

The problem is, like a lot of fellow french sportsmen, he really lacks any kind of killer instinct, à la Diaw, which can lead to some kind of inconstancy, though I see it more as not selfish enough… The other real problem is his slim slim slim body, he might get pushed around a lot in the NBA.

Of course, he’s still very young and it’s hard at that time to predict the career of a player.

He’s the first french player that made me think when I first saw him play that he has a future in the NBA.

by Blenzer on May 20, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since you live in France....

I appreciate your first hand opinion. Thank you.

by spencerbutte on May 20, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're welcome but

you should know that if I live in France, I’m a lot of times wrong about players, so my opinion may lack of insight.
For instance I thought that Tony Parker would last only two years in the NBA, before returning to Europe, or that Jerome Moiso or Tariq Abdul-Wahad/Olivier St-Jean would have great careers…

So honesty pushes me to say that I’m not sure my opinion can considered first hand (then if you ask me then why if so do I post, you have a point…).

by Blenzer on May 20, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave ...

It’s Russell Westbrook. We’ve got size, length, and shooting at every other position on the floor. KP is going after a lock-down defender and an athletic freak to shut down opposing PGs like Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, etc. If we like Jack’s ability to get to the rim and miss layups, then surely we’ll like Westbrook’s ability to get to the rim and dunk over other PGs.

If we get the #1 it’s Rose. Anywhere else and the pick is Russell Westbrook. Book it.

by bfan on May 20, 2008 6:52 AM PDT reply actions  

In Agreement

Russell Westbrook is also my choice almost anywhere outside the top 3. I feel that he has the most potential to develop into a premium defender down the road, something we’re going to need. He also provides a reasonable amount of offense and can manage a game at the point. We don’t need another offensive superstar, we need Russell Westbrook.

by sixth on May 20, 2008 7:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Ditto

Westbrook has all of the makings of a player who will have a very long career in the N.B.A., not to mention the fact that he is a Nate type of player.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on May 20, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook is a top target for us....

...but not at 13th-14th pick or 1st-3rd. If we get him, it will have to be a trade, because we’d pick someone else with 1-3, and he won’t be available at 13-14.

by pualo on May 20, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taking a different approach...

Since this year’s draft has such a wide variety of talent spread across the board (unlike last year’s relatively well-defined talent pool), I think the best way to approach any "who will we draft" questions is with a sort of shotgun approach, if you will.

For instance, if we land in the Top 2, it’s pretty much a no brainer…
1.) Derrick Rose – PG – Memphis
2.) Michael Beasley – SF/PF – Kansas State

But what about number 3? There’s Jerryd Bayless, a 6’3" combo guard out of Arizona who could share PG duties with Roy… There’s OJ Mayo, who’s 6’5" and could potentially be a point forward a la Scottie Pippen (although Mayo’s head remains a question)… And there’s a few big men who could add the toughness we lacked last season (Brook Lopez would be my preference, but obviously, there is an attachment to Kevin Love)… Danilo Gallinari had a bunch of buzz early in the season as being the best European player in this year’s draft, but with all the energy surrounding the top 10 picks (including Mayo, Rose, Beasley, Love, Lopez, and Eric Gordon), doesn’t it feel that Gallinari has some Darko Milicic in him? Could he live up to the careers of these other NCAA-produced players?

3.) Jerryd Bayless – PG/SG – Arizona

I think Bayless, at pick 3, is a perfect compliment to Roy. He can play the PG and be passive, or play the SG (while Roy is at the point) and be aggressive, but the bottom line is this would give us two players who could create opportunities all over the floor. I don’t believe Bayless would have an impact right away (he’d be the second line’s Roy) but he would provide a ton of match up problems with his size and speed, especially if and when Rudy Fernandez pans out. This would give us 4 penetrators (Roy, Rudy, Outlaw, and Jerryd) to go with our post players (Aldridge and Oden) and our perimeter players (Webster, Jones, etc).

Now, a big hitch to this whole plan is the mastery of KP. We have 3 second-round picks, a huge expiring contract (Raef), and quite a bit of young talent if we wanted to move up (although, I don’t expect us to ‘show our hand’ so to speak in terms of making a big deal) but we could potentially move up to #9 (Chicago Bulls and Channing Frye?) or #10 (Nets – in a deal that includes Devin Harris?) somewhat realistically. If we make a trade and move up to 9 or 10, then…

9.) Russell Westbrook

His tangibles and intangibles have been discussed at length here, so I won’t outline them, but the point is, we’ll need to move up to get him… Is this worth Channing Frye and a second rounder? Is this the deal breaker in a move to get Devin Harris? What are we willing to give up to get a 19 year old combo guard?

If no deal is made, however, and the chips follow standard protocol, we’re left with the 13th pick in the NBA draft… This is where the net widens a bit, because our decision will be almost wholly based on what other teams do. Could Danilo Gallinari now be a steal at #13? Is Westbrook, by some miracle, available? Has OJ Mayo and his character questions taken the Brady Quinn plummet?

At 13, here are the players that interest me (and are expected to be available)…

13.a.) Chase Budinger – SG/SF – Arizona : The guy is an athlete, he can score, and he’s at his best when he’s not asked to carry a team. With Roy, Rudy, Oden, Aldridge, Outlaw, Webster, etc, we just need him to make baskets and attack the basket, which he is very good at doing.
13.b.) Nicolas Batum – SF – France (Le Mans Sarthe Basket) : At the beginning of the season, he was among the top players not in the NBA… He’s dropped a little bit, but if we’re following the Spurs mold, we need a French guy to go with our other European imports (Rudy/Sergio) and Franchise Post players (Aldridge and Oden).
13.c. Chris Douglas-Roberts – SG/SF – Memphis : Granted his free-throw shooting in the national championship was an epic struggle, but Chris Douglas-Roberts has the qualities that KP looks for (i.e. championship caliber college program, physical tools, explosiveness) and some the weaknesses he overlooks (I believe Brandon Roy had questions about his perimeter game and I know Sergio did). If D-R improved his perimeter game, he would be a lock for a Top 10 pick.

Like any draft, there will be surprises, trades, and "reeeeeeeach’s" aplenty, but here are some cats to watch out for (as in they could be late-round steals and/or second round treasurers)…

Roy Hibbert – C – Georgetown : He was a lock for Top 10 last year in a deeper draft. What happened? Teams started throwing everything at him, because Georgetown was 1 dimensional. Now, he’s projected around #23 (via DraftExpress) to Utah. We’ve seen KP pick up insurance policies and quality talent late in the first round and Roy Hibbert would be an excellent backup to Oden, Aldridge, and Przybilla.

Ty Lawson – PG – North Carolina : He made the NC offense that wasn’t Tyler Hansborough’s hideous turnaround, up and under put back, tick. He’s fast as lightning (maybe the quickest player in college basketball), a little undersized (5’11" 175 lbs) and probably, as much as this hurts to say, on par with Sergio in terms of development.

Mario Chalmers – PG/SG – Kansas : Super Mario could be a safe pick in the second round. He had a nice championship game against the #1 pick in the draft…

Kyle Weaver – SG/SF – WSU : He’s 6’6", 201 lbs, and probably among the best defenders in the Pac 10. When I watch him play (and I love WSU, so I watched him quite a bit), I see a little Josh Howard without the whole admitting to smoking marijuana issue. His offensive game is the only thing keeping him in the second round…

Maarty Leunen & Malik Hairston – SF/PF – Oregon : We’ve got 3 second round picks that for all intents and purposes may never put on a Trail Blazers uniform except on Draft Day. It would be a good picture to have both Maarty and Malik in a couple Blazers hats (even if we were making the selections for someone else)…

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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on May 20, 2008 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

My Guess

Pick 1 – Rose
Pick2 – Rose or Trade the pick if Rose goes 1.
Pick 3 – Bayless
Pick 13 or 14- Westbrook if he slips or one of the Euro SFs. I could also see a player like Budinger if the Euro players and Westbrook are all gone.

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by malarky on May 20, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Easy

1 or 2 you pick Rose first or Beasley. KP said in the last thingy that I heard him on, that there are only two franchise changing players in this draft, and that this is a deep draft. You can’t pass on those two guys.

After that you trade down to, or use the 13ish pick on Kevin Love. My personal feelings is that it is a wasted pick to use a lottery pick on a European player. I feel that it is silly to use a lottery pick on a project.

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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Some Love..

If we pick up Love, don’t we kinda have to get rid of Przybilla, and not just because they’re both white?

If we say we’ve got:
PF: Outlaw, Aldridge, Frye (all under 25)
C: Oden, Przybilla, Love (all but Przybilla under 21)

That’s a problem. You can’t spend a lottery pick on a guy who SLOTS as a 3rd stringer. I think we all agree that Oden and Aldridge aren’t going anywhere either, so it’s kind of silly to spend a pick on a guy who our best hope is a second string substitute (that’s what FA’s are for).

If we pick a post player, we need someone who is a slasher and cutter, someone in the Shawn Kemp mold of power forward; someone who can work off Oden rather than trying to score in the same way. Outlaw used to be a slasher, but now he does more shooting up, off -the-dribble shot creating rather than moving without the ball.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on May 20, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Well I was reaching, if we can’t get the top two guys, then I don’t think we need anyone this year. But you just don’t give away lottery picks. I think a trade of the pick and Jack for one guy, just to make roster space. Trying to guess what KP is going to do is like trying to understand women. It’s pointless.

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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love Would Be a 4

Love is too short to play center. Anyhow, his game is more suited to power forward, since he has an excellent long and mid range game and is a great passer. That shouldn’t be a problem, because he is the tough-guy we need in the rotation at 4. As much as I think Channing is a great guy, I don’t think he’s what this team needs, so I would ship him. Although Outlaw got run at 4 last year, he’s better suited for the 3. There’s always room for a little Love.

by BlazersAx on May 20, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm done with Europeans

I mean, even if we drafted, if they never actually come to the NBA, what’s the point?

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on May 20, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

my 2 cents...

1- Rose
2- Rose/trade otherwise
3- Rose/trade otherwise
13- trade
14- trade

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on May 20, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha...

Well and simply put. Agreed.

Would you consider KP's "Jayhawk" to be of the rock chalk variety?

nightbluefruit on May 20, 2008 5:35 PM

by ptwnblzr on May 21, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've said it before, and I'll say it again . . .

. . . if only because this thread so clearly invites exactly this advice:

With the 13th pick (not getting top 3 in the lottery), bank our 2008 draft picks:
trade all our picks for future draft considerations.

This involves the following picks: #13, #33 (from Memphis), #36 (from New York) and #55 (from Phoenix).
The trades I would suggest are two, of two picks each, to teams with similar qualities:
The need for young bodies now, the absence of a good draft slot now, and the possibility
of future underachievement, and therefore high first-round picks we’d receive.
Examples: San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas, Detroit, Boston.

Trade #1: #13 and #55 for an unprotected first-round pick in 2010.
Maybe this could be top-three-protected if being unprotected is truly a dealbreaker,
but no more protection than that.

Trade #2: #33 and #36 for a lottery-protected first-round pick in 2011.

We’d add nobody now except Rudy and Oden, retain everybody from last year for at least next season
(when most of our roster is in their final contract year), do no trades before the 2009 offseason
(okay, we’ll take calls on Raef’s expiring contract at the trade deadline, but we’re playing hard-to-get),
and we’d have extra picks 3-4 year from now, with the 2010 in a position to be quite high.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 20, 2008 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I've agreed with it before, and I'll agree with it again

hehe.

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by 92wastheyear on May 20, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or something in that same vain..

It don’t care how KP packages, but absolutly agree on trading for the future, and make it unprotected if they nead young warm bodys now. (Butthead syle laugh) The letter of your proposal may or may not be precise, but the spirit is perfect. I couldn’t agree with you more.

Ps.. I’m probably the only one that will find this amusing…

I've said it before, and I'll say it again . . . . . . if only because this thread so clearly invites exactly this advice:

With the 13th pick (not getting top 3 in the lottery), bank our 2008 draft picks:
trade all our picks for future draft considerations.

This involves the following picks: #13, #33 (from Memphis), #36 (from New York) and #55 (from Phoenix).
The trades I would suggest are two, of two picks each, to teams with similar qualities:
The need for young bodies now, the absence of a good draft slot now, and the possibility
of future underachievement, and therefore high first-round picks we’d receive.
Examples: San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas, Detroit, Boston.

Trade #1: #13 and #55 for an unprotected first-round pick in 2010.
Maybe this could be top-three-protected if being unprotected is truly a dealbreaker,
but no more protection than that.

Trade #2: #33 and #36 for a lottery-protected first-round pick in 2011.

We’d add nobody now except Rudy and Oden, retain everybody from last year for at least next season
(when most of our roster is in their final contract year), do no trades before the 2009 offseason
(okay, we’ll take calls on Raef’s expiring contract at the trade deadline, but we’re playing hard-to-get),
and we’d have extra picks 3-4 year from now, with the 2010 in a position to be quite high.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 20, 2008 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

by ptwnblzr on May 21, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade #13, Jack and Frye

to Miami of #2. Frye or Outlaw would be the discussion. Miami needs to get better sooner to keep Wade and they need front court help most. If Chicago takes Beasley then Rose is available to the highest bidder.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on May 20, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Hansboro

"KP has a raging Jayhawk for anyone from Kansas." Mortimer

by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2008 11:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes

He’s a lot like Oden; making us wait a year to see him play in a Blazer’s uniform.

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