How Long?
If I had to pick one word to describe the general feeling surrounding the Blazers right now it would be “anticipation”. After years of toiling uphill it feels like we might finally have a chance to crest the summit in the near future and pick up serious momentum towards some really good times. Certainly it’s hard to watch the ongoing playoff series without imagining what it will be like when guys in scarlet and black start walking away with some of those four-to-x victories. This begs the question: How long is it going to take for the Blazers to be good?
The answer, naturally, depends on what you mean by “good”.
Technically speaking, that 41-41 record makes the Blazers at least decent as we speak. While it’s possible the team will pull a classic
If you’re talking “really good”, though, I don’t see it happening next year. For one thing we’re still going to be brutally young. We’re adding key players but they’re new to the league and of tender age to boot. None of them will be 25 yet, nor will any of our main players. Plus THE main guy, Greg Oden, will be in his rookie season. You’re going to notice him the minute he steps on the floor. He looks different, walks differently, and plays differently than anybody on the roster. His physical attributes--strength, size, fluidity, presence--will amaze you. You’re going to go crazy the first time he stuffs back somebody’s shot like they were an 8th-grader. At the same time you’re going to notice him not being able to use that body to full advantage. He’ll likely start his post moves too far out. Speaking of post moves, he won’t have them defined well. He’ll flip hooks when he should have spun and spin when he should have dunked. He’ll get out of position on defense some too. The guy needs some time. I hope folks in this chronically-impatient day and age will realize that a year or two isn’t too much time to invest in the future linchpin of your franchise. I also hope that “Oden’s a bust” and “Why isn’t he better?” comments are kept to a minimum. The key to getting through anybody’s rookie year is to appreciate the good things they bring and watch for baby steps in improving weaknesses and general awareness. (That goes for Rudy too, by the way.)
Speaking of general awareness, NBA Live has taught us some pretty funky things about what it takes to build a cohesive team. You can’t just throw guys together and expect all of their strengths to come out immediately. These prominent new guys will mean major shifts in the roles and opportunities of everybody else on the team. It takes a while to get used to that. It takes a while to learn where a guy likes to catch the ball, or how much you can depend on him defensively, or where and when it’s worth setting a screen for him. Anybody who’s played basketball even on a casual level understands that it’s a game of situational awareness. Teams usually need a good, solid year together to develop an understanding of each other. This is doubly true with young guys. This is also one of the reasons I doubt you’ll see a major move (meaning a move designed to add key pieces who will affect the franchise for the next decade) this summer. Things are too loose yet. We have to taste the soup before we add another ingredient.
No matter what the roster ends up looking like on paper, next year is not likely to produce any kind of sustainable greatness.
The year after next has the best chance of providing an exponential leap. This isn’t really rocket science. Roy and Aldridge attaining early-veteran status, plus Greg Oden with a year under his belt, plus a clearer definition of the roles and abilities of the supporting cast, plus the cap/trade flexibility to add that Buck-Williams-like missing piece…that all adds up to an eye-opening entry onto the national stage. Despite this you still have to wonder about everyone gelling. You’d also like to have one more year on Greg. I’d guess this would be our first chance to experience playoff basketball with any expectation of winning a series. Whether we do actually win one or not we’re likely to get our nose bloodied somewhere along the line, which is exactly the experience we’ll need. This season will be like the first year moving up to a new division. We may have put on another couple pounds of muscle to graduate from middleweight to heavyweight, but we’re not ready for a title bout yet.
It’s that third year out where things start to get intriguing. Roy and Aldridge are now in their early prime. Oden is a third-year guy and should come into his own. Everybody else knows the drill and (hopefully) the pieces fit. We got a taste of real success last year and now we know what it takes to get there. The decade-long window cracks open a bit. It’s unlikely we’ll make it through right away, but we ought to have at least an arm or leg out by now.
Whether we bust out right on schedule, a little earlier, or a little later one thing’s for sure: exciting times are ahead.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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is perhaps a wildly optimistic take, but I think we’ll make noise in the playoffs next year. We’re gonna win 52 games, Oden and Rudy should both be hitting their stride down the stretch after figuring out the NBA game for the first two-thirds of the season, and we’re gonna go into the playoffs with all cylinders pounding and striking fear into the heart of whatever team we’re matched up with in the first round.
I see no reason why we can’t be next year’s New Orleans. I won’t be disappointed if we’re not, but this team is something special, and another quantum leap ahead in 08-09 wouldn’t surprise me whatsoever.
I agree
Not that Dave’s scenario is unlikely. On the contrary, it’s the way things will most likely play out. But sometimes teams blossom ahead of schedule. (Just look at the ‘77 Blazers.) Scientists used to think evolution was always slow and gradual. Then they learned it can be lightning quick (“punctuated equilibrium”). I think it’s reasonable to think that-barring major injuries-the Blazers could make the playoffs and win a series next season. A lot depends on what the guys do over the next couple of months. Is Martell improving his handle? Is LMA pumping iron and working on his own ball-handling? How about Trout? Is he spending as much time in the gym as he is at the fishing hole?
Last summer, Joel worked his tail off, and his game took a quantum leap. If several of the other Blazers follow suit this year, and if Oden and Rudy make solid contributions, who knows what could happen? How many of us picked the Hornets to win the West and-at worst-come within a game of the Western Conference Finals? I think you gotta dream big…
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"How Long" sound Chinese, and Wikipedia confirms that idea:
“Omens and omen texts. “The most primitive, clumsy, but enduring method…is the simple recording of sequences of unusual or important events.” (1976:236) Chinese history offers scrupulously documented occurrences of strange births, the tracking of natural phenomena, and other data. Chinese governmental planning relied on this method of forecasting for long-range strategy. It is not unreasonable to assume that modern scientific inquiry began with this kind of divination; Joseph Needham’s work considered this very idea.” I think Dave´s Omen is scrupulously documented too.
In another Chinese reference, I fear our way would be the Chinese Long March.... Wait, that March only took two years, a short term for a NBA team to win the NBA Championship. But also two too long years for me. It´s gonna be hard times when we´ll loose in the two next playoffs.
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by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
While my nature is to take Dave's conservative approach....
.... I can’t help thinking we might be surprised next year.
By all accounts, Greg Oden is a difference maker. The sort of player that is so good that he wins games by himself. It’s possible he plays to the level of Lebron James’ rookie year (20 pts, 5.5 rebs, 6 ast). Then again, he’ll have more support, so his line might be more on par with Dwayne Wade’s rookie season (16, 4, 5) with considerably more rebounds and maybe an assist or two less. At worst, I expect him to match Dwight Howard’s initial season (12 & 10).
Then there is the effect his presence will have on the rest of the team. LaMarcus Aldridge should have a field day. He’s going to be seeing single man coverage most nights. Defenses won’t be able to isolate on Brandon Roy. Our jump shooters could have a half second more time to get set. Pryzbilla, Travis, Frye and Rudy could end up outmanning the bench of most teams every night. I think I’d take those 4 over the starters of a couple teams (the Knicks come to mind).
I’m not going to be disappointed if the Blazers only improved by 5 – 6 games in the standings next season or just miss the playoffs. I realize all of the things Dave mentions apply. But I can’t help thinking this team is looking at another 10 game improvement, possibly more and even a first round playoff series win. So yeah, I’m setting my expections high. I just won’t complain if they aren’t met.
I find myself agreeing with you across the board.
I think a five win improvement would be huge, and 50 wins inconceivable next year with Oden and Fernandez yet to play an NBA game. But i think we make the playoffs, and from there, anything is possible.
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This is pretty much what I say too.
Oden should at LEAST (if he’s healthy, blabbity blippity boo etc and so forth) match Howard’s good rookie year of a double/double and a helluva lotta big dunks. He’s bigger than Howard was, obviously stronger, and more refined, so I feel fine putting that as Oden’s minimum output.
And having that big man everyone has to guard makes life so much easier for everyone, EVERYONE else. It’ll be sweet.
As long as they play hard and keep improving, I won’t be disappointed. If any of the main dudes plays like they didn’t work on their game this summer, I’ll be kinda bummed—but fortunately, aside from Travis I don’t see any of our guys being like that, and perhaps Travis has changed and has become driven enough to work hard this offseason.
I could see us being the “surprise” Hornets-esque type team, or an up n’ down 42-45 win team that no one wants to face in the 1st round because you don’t know which young team shows up. I don’t see us falling below 41-41, and while the West will be strong I think this past season is an anamoly and we’ll make the playoffs with a normal 7th, 8th seed playoff record…
Though I think we got the potential to win 50 games already, but we’ll see how everyone looks in the fall. Like you, I like to keep my expectations as ground bound as my homerosity will allow, and enjoy what the team gives us.
Mortimer
Not much...
...to add. I think You’re dead on with the potential time line and the rebuilding steps. Hopefully most fans can enjoy the process, it should be fun. The only thing I might add to the mix is that I think we probably will meet with some unexpected good fortune, as well as the inevitable unexpected setback. How we take advantage of the good and how we react to the unforeseen negative might change the story a little. One thing I really like about the franchise right now is the intelligence of management and the seeming commitment to talent, character and chemistry. Up, down or indifferent I feel The Blazers will continually work to improve the team and that makes supporting them all the easier. Sometimes you don’t see the 13 game winning streaks coming or the unexpected micro-fracture surgeries but knowing that we have an owner, GM and management that I think is dedicated and competent is a great foundation.
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The !#S$@! West is Loaded
I am looking forward to the Blazers competing for a playoff berth next season. But let’s be realistic.
Hornets (getting better with experience)
Lakers (getting better the more they play together)
Houston (assuming Yao and McGrady are both healthy - go Rick!)
San Antonio (still have another year or two)
Jazz (up and coming - need another piece to really improve)
Phoenix (still have a couple years left)
Mavericks (still too strong? or will Cuban blow them up?)
Warriors (whither art thou, Baron Davis?)
Nuggets (okay, this team should blow itself up)
So I admit it is possible we make the playoffs next season. But with Oden’s youth in his rookie season, with working Rudy into the mix (hopefully!!), and to fully resolve the question of whether we need to invest at the point or hand it to Roy, it may take a year to get things humming. I predict 48 wins and at most a first round exit to legitimate a title contender.
But look at the aging of the West! Making matters worse (better for Blazer fan!), both Phoenix and Dallas sold the future for the present, and they didn’t get to open any! The following year, it would surprise me if more than five Western Conference teams could out-compete us. I see 50+ wins and at least one playoff series win.
After that, sky’s the limit, Baby. Portland, N.O., and LALA Land.
As for the team leader and stud, I would be surprised if Oden takes that from Roy in the next two years. There is a reason Roy was a stand-out in the all-star game.
'77
you know whats funny??
Every western team has us on there list of playoff teams next year.
Portland is a team without any obvious holes, and the biggest addition they’ll make for next season is Greg Oden no matter who they select here. As such, I’ll give them "best available Euro" on the assumption that they might not actually bring him over right away.
Forget the record, we must improve during the season.
I agree with Dave. This team still has some holes and we don’t know which holes will be filled next year. The Blazers played progressively worst as the season wore on, there was a stretch of 20 games near the end of the season where our offense completely sputtered. Just because we beat the Lakers and Mavericks at home near the end, people are left with an optimistic feeling. We won a bunch of games in December from hot shooting and a gimmick zone. Once teams adjusted to us, we couldn’t adjust.
I think we will have a better record next year, but I rather see the team improve as the season wears on. What I imagine is a slow start as the team learns to play with Oden and Rudy. Then as the season progresses, the team progresses to become a real force to be reckon with.
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That’s a lot to put on Greg Oden’s plate. Can his knees handle the weight of the franchise? Have you ever watched him walk?
I expect improvement next year, because everyone should be better, not because of Oden. I love Oden, he’s a swell guy, it is just that I haven’t seen him play basketball in over a year. Maybe he forgot how to dribble or dunk the ball. I can’t talk about winning championships until I see Oden on the court. Without Oden’s help, it doesn’t matter if the window is open, because no one can reach the sill to climb out.
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Seriously Bill?
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by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He meant
20 more Oden-led championships.
OH, BURNED YA WILLIAM SIMMONS!!
Man, I hope he doesn’t read that. I’d feel bad knowing I totally BURNED him so burnariffic.
Mortimer
I hate being a grammar Nazi
but that word is “burnarifficallyistic”
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by 92wastheyear on May 20, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The Oden factor
This is actually my second post ever, though the first one with my new moniker. Very soon I hope to scan a picture of my two cats (who are no longer with me) for my icon. I’ve enjoyed lurking here, but it’s time to enter the fray.
Oh, and I’ve been a Blazers fan since the championship, when I lived in Niagara Falls. I’ve been in Eugene since 1978 except for 8 years when I lived in the East Bay and could get cheap, nearly front-row seats at Warriors games when Clyde, Jerome, and Terry came to town.
Now, let’s consider what Greg will bring next year. With Joel on the bench, interior defense and rebounding was weak. That will no longer be the case. Between Greg and Joel, we will be extremely solid in the paint. Solid enough that on average we should allow, say, 5 fewer points per game. The combination of improved and/or steadier shot blocking, shot changing, and defensive rebounding should make at least that great a difference.
On offense, it’s been said that Greg will need time to adjust to the NBA, and we shouldn’t expect much. But, think about all those passes that bounced off of Joel’s hands under the rim. With Greg in there, those passes translate to easy field goals and a parade of foul shots. Or, how about those times when it seemed that the other team had the basket surrounded, and we got only one shot during a possession. Shouldn’t happen anymore. On average, I think we’ll score on more possessions and get more second tries. Just taking advantage of the offensive opportunities that come to him naturally, Greg should make a big difference. Shall we say a difference of about 5 more points per game?
Taking into account improvements in both defense and offense, I think we may be looking at a point differential of around 10 points per game. There was only one team in the league this year with that large a margin, the Celtics. I think the Blazers can be that good.
Now consider that we may be adding a very skilled shooter/slasher named Rudy, and that many of our young players will continue to grow and improve. This year, our team showed they were capable of playing at a very high level, and I think only the Spurs and Celtics managed to escape being beaten at least once by the Blazers. Given the additions and improvements, we could see the Blazers winning at least 50 games and reaching the finals or going all the way next year. I believe that only major injuries, especially to Greg or Brandon, can prevent this team from ascending to greatness next season.
Dude, such unrealistic expectations.
10 ppg differential? You realize that’s only been accomplished by maybe 3 teams in the past 30 years, and two of them were Michael Jordan teams?
by howlingfantods on May 19, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome CatMan2!
Perhaps he and/or she meant that over time, we’d be seeing a 10ppg differential. I think the potential of this team, with a healthy LMA and Oden, is definitely in that sort of range.
Next year, having a positive point differential will be pretty huge and could be directly related to throwing Oden out there. With a few seasons, we could have a defense so strong and offense so powerful that we could be shutting teams down on both ends enough to have a 10ppg differential.
If CatMan2 did indeed mean for this to happen next season, well, it’d be pretty sweet, right?
As far as this goes, I could see us allowing 3-5 less points PPG next year, with our scoring getting a minor bump. Oden won’t be as raw as some think, but he won’t be putting up LMA type ppg numbers. Over time, once everyone gets friendly with one another, Rudy gets adjusted to the NBA, Oden becomes a seasoned big man and not a n00b, I could see CatMan2000’s prediction becoming reality.
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Mortimer
Realism is for overrated
This team is special. We’re not like other teams. History isn’t helpful when talking about these Blazers. We’re making up new rules.
That's TRUTH.
No team this young has ever done what they did. I really believe we’re sitting on sumthin’ more than “just” special. Inside, I think we’re gonna be pretty damn awesome pretty damn soon. Publically and to avoid ridicule, I say it’ll take a few years. Either way, the end result is us winning championships and being the envy of the league.
And, it doesn’t take blind homerism to get there. This team, as is, is very likely to reach that point.
I am a homer though.
Mortimer
I'm excited about next year too, I hope Oden turns out to be MJ/Walton/Sabonis/Sheen
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by 92wastheyear on May 20, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Offense
We may be underestimating Greg’s possible offensive contribution. Dwight Howard doesn’t have a lot of “stuff” on the block and he managed 16 ppg when he was Oden’s age. Putbacks, alley-oops, deep post – he will get some attempts in. I’d imagine there will be some “waddayougonnado” buckets just because of his ability to seal his man on the block. Also keep in mind that the opponents best frontcourt defender may be 18’ from the hoop trying to check LMA. The Blazer offense spreads a defense fairly well. Think about it – Blake, Roy, Webster, LMA. Who are you going to leave open to double G.O.? If you single cover and foul, the guy ain’t Shaq from the line.
I don’t think 15 ppg on 55% shooting is unattainable.
by Engineering Problem on May 19, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Watching the Spurs-Hornets series, I kept imagining Greg Oden-instead of Chandler-converting all those alley-oop passes from Paul and Pargo. With LMA, Roy, Trout, & Martell keeping defenses honest, there will be many opportunities for Blake (or whoever) to penetrate and toss it up around the rim. GO has the quickness, hands, and leaping ability to do the rest. That’s probably 10 ppg for Oden right there.
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Anticipation
I´m going to post tomorrow about the reconstruction of our team by 2020. It´s hard to restart from zero after have won so many titles.
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