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Jersey Retirement "Formula"

Last week, Brian Hendrickson mentioned that he didn’t know what the criteria were for retiring a player’s jersey.  I have read through the comments in other posts, sifted through some thoughtful emails, and consulted with various members of the media -- just about everyone seems to agree there is no "formula."   So I got to thinking… and thinking… and thinking… if I'm serious about making the case for Terry Porter, let’s do it… let’s make a formula for retiring jerseys.

A retired jersey is some combination of hard accomplishments (rings and stats, etc.) and soft accomplishments (reputation, community involvement, etc.)— but it’s a difficult balance to quantify.  

In attempting to create a simple, usable "formula," (my formula only uses addition so just bear with me when I refer to it as a formula) it’s important to note a clear difference between retiring a jersey and voting for a player to enter the Hall of Fame. Retiring a player’s jersey is, first and foremost, an organizational honor rather than an individual honor.  A retired jersey celebrates the player’s achievements but also those of the teams he played on. And, importantly, it celebrates the success of the franchise as a whole.  

With that thought in mind, my formula includes what I believe to be the top 5 most important criteria.  It balances team factors (2 of the five criteria), individual factors (2 of the five criteria) and a wild card factor (all of the rest of the resume-padding stuff that gets brought up during bar room debates on this subject).

For each of the five criteria, I ranked previous Blazer honorees (as well as Terry Porter) on a scale of 1 to 5 points.  Obviously, the criteria are different to get your jersey retired as a Celtic than they are as a Blazer. So, for our purposes, points are handed out on a Blazeres-relative basis: maximum points in any category are earned by the highest-achieving Blazers of all time, all non-Blazers be damned.  

A question is included with each criterion to assist you with your own ranking.

Criterion #1  Connection with the franchise.  

This one is most obvious limiting factor so it must come first. Clearly, the Blazers aren’t going to retire Hakeem’s jersey (he never played for us!) nor should they retire Pippen’s jersey (let Chicago keep him!) but they did retire Lloyd Neal’s jersey (lifelong Blazer!).  

Ask yourself: If this player was elected to the Hall of Fame, would he enter as a member of this team?

To determine how closely a player is connected with a franchise, one generally assesses 4 conditions:

1) Did the player play his most important years with the team?

2) Did the player play the majority of his career with the team?

3) Was the player drafted by the team?

4) Did the player retire with the team?

I awarded 5 points for players who met all 4 of the above conditions, 4 points for those who met 3 of the conditions and 3 points for those who met 2 of the conditions. 

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Criterion #2  Success with the franchise. 

Success in the NBA is measured first and foremost by playoff success. Champions are remembered forever; finalists live on in both highlight footage and memory; everybody else drifts to the periphery.  Judging a player’s relative success across generations can be tricky, but its clear two factors are important to consider: the maximum success his team’s enjoyed and his role in creating that success.  

Ask yourself, "Can the story of the franchise’s glory days be told without mentioning this player?"  

To weigh both the team's success and the player's role in that sucess, I gave 5 points to a star on a championship team, 5 points to a starter on championship team, 5 points to a star on a finalist team, 4 points to a role player on a finalist team and 4 points to a starter on a finalist team.  I gave 2 courtesy points to Geoff Petrie as he was traded for Maurice Lucas and therefore missed out on the winning.

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Criterion #3 Statistical Body of Work.  

After looking at team achievements, it’s time to turn to the players' individual work.  Of course, statistics don’t tell the full story, but they generally tell the important parts (Clyde was sick; Maurice was mean; Steele was a sub).  Both quality and quantity of numbers are important, as is longevity.

Ask yourself, "How dominant (and for how long) was this player?"

In assigning the points in this category, I took into account: league-leading tallies, franchise/league records, double-doubles, 10+ year careers, and anything else that truly jumps out of the box score/ stat sheet.

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Criterion #4 Individual Awards.  

Individual awards don’t come easy in the NBA.  Amazing seasons are forgotten by history all the time so those years that were acknowledged at the time they occurred or those that have stood the test of time are certainly relevant in determining whether a player is an all-time great member of an organization.

Ask, "What are the standout individual achievements on this player’s resume and how do they compare to other franchise greats?"

Assigning points here was simple: the more individual achievements, the more points earned out of 5.  Achievements taken into consideration include: all-star appearances; end of season awards (MVP, All-NBA first team, etc.); franchise records.

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Criterion #5 The Intangibles.

I tried to bottle up all the murkiness that enters this debate into a final category.  This section takes into account the player’s personality, contributions to the community and investment in the organization.   

Ask yourself, "Is the player a credit to the organization, the city and the league?"

In assigning points, I included achievements such as being a: founding member; local legend; fan favorites; playoff hero; active Portland community member; a coach or front office member for the Blazers or in the NBA as a whole.

While this category is certainly subjective, it is only 20% of the overall picture so haggling over a point up or down should not make or break a candidate’s application.

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Summing Up The Points

Adding up the scores in all categories is a simple matter.  Out of a total 25 possible points, here’s how our current honorees (and Terry Porter) scored.

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Conclusions

Clearly there are two groups: 1) Those at or above 20 points and 2) those below 20 points.  I think most reasonable fans would agree that Petrie, Lucas, Drexler and Walton are no-brainers and not worthy of argument.  

The second group is where most of the arguments arise.  Were Twardzik’s and Hollins’ contributions in 1977 enough to get them in?  What makes Lloyd Neal so much more important than other role players in Blazers history? My formula, admittedly, doesn’t answer those questions.  However, it does make the case that Terry Porter is at least as deserving as 4 out of the 8 Blazers honorees.  

No, TP, isn’t quite in the absolute upper echelon… but he is the next closest thing.  This is where the spirit of the "Honor Terry Porter" movement arises from: when taking everything into account, the man deserves the same recognition given to a number of players before him.  If the team’s cutoff for eligibility hovers in the 15-17 range on my scale, I think a compelling case can be made that TP measurably exceeds this minimum standard.

Now I ask you: how well did this formula succeed in quantifying the jersey retirement process?  How accurately does it rank current honorees? 

As always, send me your thoughts and memories of Terry Porter.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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Agreed

TP should be retired.

If nothing else, just for being so cool on his Dairy Queen cup from back in the day. Those things were freakin’ sweet!

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by prezofdeath on May 13, 2008 9:29 PM PDT   0 recs

He can't retire now

His team is still in the playoffs.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 14, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lots of work for what seems like a no brainer

Of course Porter should have his jersey retired if Larry Steele and Dave Twardzik have their numbers retired. The only thing these two have on him is a championship.

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by tssbro on May 13, 2008 9:29 PM PDT   0 recs

i thought it was a no brainer

but not everyone agreed….

hence some perspective to inform the debate.

"Honor Terry Porter." Email me with your TP stories and memories.

by Ben. on May 13, 2008 9:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well

I would hope that the PTB would honor TP one way or another even if they decide not to retire his jersey. I don’t think it was mentioned in any of the threats about TP so far, but the man still has a soft spot in his heart for Portland and the franchise. When PA had the for sale sign up a few years ago, TP was one of the guys who stepped up to the plate and tried to work out a purchase. From what I remember, he was one of the biggest front runners. This man bleeds RED and BLACK.

by Philthyanimal on May 13, 2008 9:37 PM PDT   0 recs

This is a very well laid out argument. You should present it to the organization.

Hopefully they’ll see this entry.

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by annthefan on May 13, 2008 9:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Well...

...he does blow a darn good bubble!

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by BlueBooYay on May 13, 2008 9:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice job! I commented earlier to a related fanpost

that only Drexler qualified according to my far simpler but muct stricter formula, but after seeing Ben’s breakdown, I would be happy with TP and those above him having their jerseys retired.

by MiledAnimal on May 13, 2008 9:47 PM PDT   0 recs

Bravo Ben

Nice work!

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by 92wastheyear on May 13, 2008 9:47 PM PDT   0 recs

11th all time in assists!!!!

I didn’t know that he was even close to that. That is an impressive number. I agreed with your statement that TP ought to get in from the beginning, but I had no idea about that.

My ignorance is my greatest weapon

by shenanigans on May 13, 2008 10:24 PM PDT   0 recs

Just a note...

At least, last I heard,

Nate McMillan is the only NBA player to have their jersey retired without ever being elected to an all-star game.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on May 13, 2008 10:27 PM PDT   0 recs

I think it broke down "jersey retirement value" pretty well

But I guess I just set my bar higher. IMO, the error of the franchise is not that Terry Porter’s jersey isn’t retired, it’s that Neal, Steele, Twardzik, Hollins, and even Petrie are.

If there were a Blazers Hall of Fame of some sort, all of them should be in. When we’re saying “that dude was so good that we’re never going to let anybody else even wear the same number because that number is now permanently associated with him”, it’s gotta be a transcendent sort of good. The type of good where, 20 years down the road, somebody that’s been a Blazers fan for 5 or 6 years and has some minor knowledge of their past will definitely know who they are.

by Gargen on May 13, 2008 10:28 PM PDT   0 recs

That said

With the bar set where it is, TP should have his jersey retired.

by Gargen on May 13, 2008 10:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This was a GREAT post!

Thank you, a complete joy to read! I’ve always thought TP should, and I’ve always kinda thought he would get his jersey retired. as long as it doesnt turn it in to a slippery slope of Kersey, Cliffy, Buck and Duck in the rafters too… He’s in my top couple favorites of all time and when I think of Blazer all timers I think of him at the very top. thanks again Ben for the great read

by Blazermaniac77 on May 13, 2008 11:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Great work!

It would be interesting to see this formula applied to some odd group of Blazers and see what happens. Who’s gonna do Buck, Kersey, Cliffy, Duck, Smitty, Sheed, Rider, and some others I left out? I bet at least one of those guys would not come out with a score lower than the lowest score on the actually retired list. TP should be up. I loved that story about when we were playing the Jazz and every time Porter went into the lane Malone tried to lay him out with his dastardly elbow swing (did he steal that from a Street Fighter character?). After a while TP got tired of this and next time down quickly flicked his wrist on a drive by Malone and gave him quite the nut-tap. Karl didn’t swing anymore elbows that game. Great story! We need that guy on this team! If Oden were healthy and we had a guy like that right now, I think we would still be playing.

by MGNNoah on May 14, 2008 6:46 AM PDT   0 recs

Petrie was traded

to the Hawks before he retired. Not to diminish your efforts.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on May 14, 2008 8:04 AM PDT   0 recs

Sorry, it doesn't work for me.

I’m a Porter fan but your formula confirms to me that his jersey shouldn’t be retired, not the other way around.

First the validity of your formula is based on an extraordinarily weak premise: “Obviously, the criteria are different to get your jersey retired as a Celtic than they are as a Blazer. So, for our purposes, points are handed out on a Blazeres-relative basis”

I agree this has been the case but I strongly disagree that it ought to continue. Why would anybody want to damn the franchise to 2nd class status?

I also disagree with the concept that retiring an individual’s number is not an individual reward but is an organizational award.

I think one important criteria would be will the next generation have any idea who this person is? Based on that one simple criteria I can see Walton, Lucas and Drexler having numbers retired but I can’t see Petrie. I WAS a basketball fan – though not in Portland – during Petrie’s era and his name never made it on my radar. I could name Knicks, Bullets, Lakers, KC/Omaha Kings players before I would stumble across Petrie.

By your formula Porter doesn’t even measure up to Petrie so I’d have to say Terry doesn’t make the cut. :(

by LaughingJon on May 14, 2008 8:28 AM PDT   0 recs

I don't see it as giving us 2nd class status to honor one of our heroes.

We’re obviously a small market team. That said, we do things our own way in our own style. We don’t conform to the same system other teams use to determine “worthiness” of a player. So what if the Celtics don’t retire jersey’s very often? Shouldn’t the Jazz retire Karl Malone and John Stockton’s numbers even though they didn’t win a championship? Our team never won one either, but they were our own fantastic team that was the pulse of the city every season.

If Clyde was our Batman, Terry was our Robin. Sure one gets all the attention, but they were a dynamic duo. Is Conan O’Brien as good without Andy Richter? No. Did Van Halen improve after David Lee Roth. No. Who is Ren without Stimpy?

Keep Portland Weird, and all.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 15, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WOW

I only wish I had time to make a post like this.

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by Steve Guttenberg on May 14, 2008 9:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Two more players

We need the glory years of the Jailblazers era represented, so shouldn’t Rasheed Wallace and Arvydas Sabonis be up for consideration in a few years?

by robrun2 on May 14, 2008 10:49 AM PDT   0 recs

I dont

Consider Sabas as a Jailblazer…he was always a nice boy and he played his heart out for us… and he did his best against Shaq. We should retire his jersey, but never Sheeds…

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by BlazerFan1 on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't call him one

I just call that era the Jailblazer era. Sheed was the heart of that team, though. Also a multiple-time All-Star.

by robrun2 on May 14, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think sheed would attend or support it.

He seemed to have negative opinions of the franchise after he was traded. Let the Pistons retire him. As for Sabas, yes.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

TP for sure, others.... not so much.

I think we should’ve retired Lucas/Walton from the Champs and Porter and Drexler from the also-rans but that’s about it. Petrie too I guess but Hollins, Steele, Neal and the alphabet Twardzik? No way. It’s ridiculous. Did they mean THAT much to those teams during the times they played with the Blazers? I don’t think so. I think retiring numbers should only be for players with long tenures with the team paired with if they were the most important players on championship team or a contender team. That’s it.

We will never see another player quite like John Stockton. Never.

by doublezeroduck on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

There's no point

in discussing the merits of previous retired jersey wearers as what’s done is done. I think the important thing is to set a standard for the future. As I mentioned in a different thread, TP is my all-time favorite so of course I want to see his number up there. But I also don’t see it as others do … an award more prestigious than a Blazer Hall of Fame (the instituting of which perhaps should be discussed.)

Ben, can you see if any colleges have standards for retiring jerseys? I sadly magine nowadays there will be few, if any, retired from the college ranks as most top players jump before their eligibility is over.

I think longevity is important, say at least 5 yrs as a Blazer (maybe more.) I don’t care what happens after they are traded (short of a felony conviction), but their best years must be as a Blazer . How far the team goes is probably important, but that’s tough on a really good player stuck on a bad team. I think league awards are important, esp. some like the J. Walter Kennedy award won by 3 Blazers : TP, Chris Dudley, and Brian Grant.

Any statistical formula that is developed must be run against all past Blazers, not just the ones we think of us eligible. There might be some surprises.

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by jorga on May 14, 2008 12:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Good Point

I think NC is going to retire Hansbrough’s number because he was the AP Player of the Year or something like that. I don’t want to look it up. I’m all for retiring Porter’s number. I wonder if Ben is just doing this so he can meet Terry Porter. Just kidding.

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by tominhawaii on May 14, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

shhhhh

"Honor Terry Porter." Email me with your TP stories and memories.

by Ben. on May 14, 2008 3:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kudo's to Ben

For getting a link in both Truehoop and O-live. As I said before….well done sir

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by 92wastheyear on May 14, 2008 2:49 PM PDT   0 recs

Very nice Ben...

and amazingly even handed. I’ve always thought the real tragedy was that the Blazers didn’t retire a single player from the Drexler/Porter glory years.

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by -ken on May 14, 2008 4:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Well ...they retired Clyde's number a couple

of years ago but TP’s # should be hung.

Added Benefit Department: We would probably do the ceremony on a night Detroit was playing in Portland because Terry coachs for them. This would be very ironic since Sheed would be also watching (he wore the same number 30 during his time here).

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by 92wastheyear on May 14, 2008 8:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't make myself clear...

what I meant was that they didn’t retire any of those players. All of them were either traded or moved on and retired from other teams. Except maybe Buck? I can’t remember…

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by -ken on May 15, 2008 3:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Buck played for Knicks

after his days in Portland

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by 92wastheyear on May 15, 2008 8:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's true, #11 all-time

From http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/alltime/leaders?cat=assists :

Assist Leaders
RK PLAYER AMT
1 John Stockton 15,806
2 Mark Jackson 10,334
3 Magic Johnson 10,141
4 Oscar Robertson 9,887
5 JASON KIDD 9,497
6 Isiah Thomas 9,061
7 Gary Payton 8,966
8 Rod Strickland 7,987
9 Maurice Cheeks 7,392
10 Len Wilkens 7,211
11 Terry Porter 7,160
12 Tim Hardaway 7,095
13 Bob Cousy 6,955
14 Guy Rodgers 6,917
15 STEVE NASH 6,788
16 Muggsy Bogues 6,726

by jtanzer on May 14, 2008 4:47 PM PDT   0 recs

Looking at your list ...

Walton
Lucas
Petrie
Drexler
Porter

If you could pick any Blazers from any time, would you not make this your all-time starting five? Would you really choose any other point guard? That gives me some confidence in your posting.

PS: I think I would have included the other super Blazer of my childhood, Sidney Wicks, in the calculations. He’d be an interesting contender in this little experiment.

by jtanzer on May 14, 2008 4:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Terry was

the all time best point guard we’ve ever had, and probably the best point guard we will ever see on our team. Yes there are better point guards just none that played for us….

by lethaldose on May 14, 2008 11:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the formula?

surely you jest… Im not sure how to respond. What formula encapsulates the magnitude that Terry Porter had on this franchise? Considering this formula does not include TP’s jersey # for all his seasons as a PTB, well… you be the judge.

Why is this an argument? Anybody that knows anything about the PTB knows Terry Porter deserves the recognition HE EARNED!

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by bow4meow on May 14, 2008 7:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Bob Gross?

Everyone seems to be forgetting that by retiring Terry’s number, we would also be retiring the number 30 worn by probably the most underrated Blazer of all time, Bobby Gross. There is no way we win the championship without him getting Dr. J winded.

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by SandbergOnSports on May 15, 2008 12:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Hey Ben

Did you see this: http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/5/15/510208/terry-porter-is-a-leading

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 15, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

yes

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2008/5/15/510214/terry-porter-leading-candi

"Honor Terry Porter." Email me with your TP stories and memories.

by Ben. on May 16, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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