A Sobering Thought
I hate to begin the week on a solemn note, but I was thinking about this all weekend. We talked last week about the potential impact of Greg Oden, which is frankly enormous. But what about the other side of that coin? We already lost Greg for an entire season. What if his injuries end up being chronic? What are the Blazers' prospects then?
The test case in this scenario is the Houston Rockets. Their dynamite combo of Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady should have been foolproof, especially when surrounded by the scorers and workers they had this year. There's just one flaw in the plan: they can't keep Yao on the court for an entire season. You have to give the guy credit. I had reservations about him when he was drafted first overall--not that the pick was in error, but rather how much impact he would ultimately have compared to the best centers who had been drafted first. Yao has worked on his game, learned the NBA, and he's the best pure center in the game right now and one of the most influential players overall. But without his health it doesn't mean much in terms of the team's ultimate aspirations. The Rockets are still good, but they're spinning their wheels without their pivotal player.
That's exactly the future which awaits Portland if Oden can't go. The Blazers can certainly be good without him. Brandon Roy, Lamarcus Aldridge, and this exciting group of youngsters will certainly become a familiar playoff team. With enough experience and drive they can probably reach the second round, perhaps even the conference finals if the ball bounces right. But any hopes of Finals appearances and rings rest squarely on Oden's shoulders. No monster in the middle equals less defensive cohesiveness, the return of rebounding woes, and fewer high-percentage scoring opportunities. In the playoffs that spells disaster. You can get by for a while but a really good team is going to bake your biscuits if you show weakness in any of those areas. We might be able to make a semi-run without Lamarcus or even without Brandon. It would be hard but we could survive a series or two. But missing Greg makes the playoff run a no-go from the start.
The difference is, in essence, the difference between the ascending arcs of San Antonio and the Rockets in the new century. Both are good. Both sets of fans have plenty of reason to be happy and buy tickets. But you'd never mistake the two teams for each other.
Personally I'm hoping pretty hard that Oden holds up.
This is my take on the one thing that could go wrong with the Blazers' hopes for the near future. What is yours? If you were to pick one thing that would send us off-track and hamstring any title hopes we might carry, what would it be? Share below.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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If Oden is constantly hurt
Then we are very pissed we passed on Durant. Bowie all over again.
by Sabonis4Ever on
May 11, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
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count me out on that one
I wouldn’t be pissed. It really was the right choice and they did all the research necessary to make sure they made the right choice. Plus I really don’t see Durant being the difference maker that some do. Call me crazy
by mark twain on
May 11, 2008 10:18 PM PDT
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Agree.
I don´t consider I made a mistake when I chose my road because I´ve had an accident.
Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.
by amlmart1 on
May 11, 2008 10:58 PM PDT
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In this case
It would be driving your car down the same road and crashing it twice :)
by Sabonis4Ever on
May 11, 2008 11:53 PM PDT
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Hehehehe
You can´t crash my car. I will avoid it anytime, anyway you will try. I´ve learn to drive here.
Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.
by amlmart1 on
May 12, 2008 2:14 AM PDT
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Of course I have not in mind to drive in this
tunnel.
Can you imagine the faces of the passengers in that bus?.
Since I know that you like the rice with milk, below the door I put a brick.
by amlmart1 on
May 12, 2008 2:21 AM PDT
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How hard is it to drive in a straight line?
I guess very.
by Sabonis4Ever on
May 12, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
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minute 0:55
watch from minute 0:55 of this clip, about the tunnel. you see that truck hit that other truck right? okay please, tell me where that other truck came from. i can’t figure it out.
by chickenmelt on
May 12, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
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Nor I do. I ask myself the same question.
Before you criticize me think a bit.
You will have the double of motives.
by amlmart1 on
May 12, 2008 10:09 PM PDT
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Whoa
I knew there was something I should watch when I got home. That second truck came from the devil.
"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal
by tominhawaii on
May 12, 2008 11:50 PM PDT
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No comparison
It isn’t the same road. We haven’t driven down it yet. It was a media construction to create drama when there wasn’t any. Then the injury happens and it adds fuel to the fire. Its just not even the same thing at all.
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by tssbro on
May 12, 2008 10:08 PM PDT
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I think it is the same road
Except it’s bizzaro road and people drive in the wrong lane.
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by tominhawaii on
May 12, 2008 11:51 PM PDT
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I won't be upset about that.
Oden didn’t have leg issues and if we passed on Durant when we have guys in that position, over Oden where we really NEED a player (we don’t complain about the center because Joel has done decent AND oden is coming), then we’d be complaining about Oden if he’s healthy.
Bowen had previous leg issues. Oden didn’t and so there was no way of knowing with him. Blazers tested and nothing showed up.
Even if oden is only good, that’s MUCH better than adequate at that position and he fills the defense/post need. If he’s all-star level then we have a definite dynasty instead of a few championships.
durant… he wouldn’t have given us that. He would have eaten up playing time for others and he’s too slender just like Rudy, Aldridge, frye. We need the big buff post players.
Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!
by ratbastird on
May 12, 2008 8:26 AM PDT
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sure, but...
All I have to say is what contender ISN’T an injury to their star away from being sorta good but not good enough? That is the world of basketball, or really, sports in general. There’s too much pointing to the fact that this shouldn’t be an issue for The Big G.O. in a chronic sense, as far as what we’ve heard all year about his progress, work ethic, commitment to staying healthy and his recovery time. I’m not worried, but yeah, you’re right, without him we’re pretty much good enough for the playoffs but not good enough for a championship.
by mark twain on
May 11, 2008 10:16 PM PDT
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No regrets
Getting the pick was a miracle for the franchise, and we picked the right guy. Anyone in the NBA could have a career ending injury—it happens. Nothing is guaranteed, you take your best shot, and if it doesn’t fly, thems the breaks of the game. If something happens to limit Oden’s career, will I wish we had taken Durant? Never. This is the team we have, and this last year was a total blast. I’m looking forward to many more such seasons with this crew, and if it turns out that circumstances conspire to keep us one step away from a trophy, that’s sports, folks. Nothing against KD or CP, but those dudes play for other teams, I’d rather go down in flames with our current trio than win with them. (Not trying to argue against KP improving the roster, of course, just focusing on the untouchables.)
by BrailleTaser on
May 11, 2008 10:31 PM PDT
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I think
Having or not having Oden is the difference between a dynasty (like San Antonio) but not necessarily the difference between a title. That would be Roy. As has been pointed out before, the early nineties Blazers were a triumph of team over talent. Roy is the heart, soul, and leader of the concept within this franchise, and while there is no guarantee, I would definitely not take us out of contention if we didn’t have Oden. Also, don’t underestimate Pritchard’s ability to get us what we need (and Allen’s ability to foot the bill). Not that we can “buy” another Oden, but it is not like we will have to play Frye and Joel for all times if Oden goes down.
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by supremepuntiff on
May 11, 2008 10:36 PM PDT
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You nailed it in my book
The answer is so simple it only requires me to press two keys: KP. With KP at the helm, we will find a way to contend with or without Oden. Sure it would be an enormous setback, but KP would figure it out. He is simply too good at what he does….
ps I also believe our success starts and ends with Roy. I dont think we hit 30 wins without Roy this last season. Every championship team needs a closer/playmaker, without Roy, we have neither….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
May 11, 2008 11:41 PM PDT
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Poker Analogy
I like to play casual poker as often as life allows. It doesn’t make sense, but I’ve noticed a phenomenom.
I’ll have a hand like 3 sevens and the first 3 community cards include two matching suit cards. If I worry about another player hitting a flush I won’t enjoy my good fortune of holding 3-of-a-kind. When I worry about this it never fails that my opponent will draw that card for the flush against the odds. When I play the hand without superstition or worries it always holds up.
What I’m saying is that we have a strong hand and I am making a conscious choice to bet big on it.
by tweener on
May 11, 2008 11:01 PM PDT
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Isn’t having no superstitions and always winning a superstition in itself?
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by T Darkstar on
May 12, 2008 7:23 AM PDT
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about poker:
do not slowplay sets when there are 2 cards of the same suit on the flop.
Make them pay if they want to chase the flush.
by Falcao on
May 12, 2008 7:40 AM PDT
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Big Odini
1. There is no reason to think that Greg won’t come back from this Amare style.
2. An injury prone Oden still has immense trade value.
by goonerluke on
May 11, 2008 11:46 PM PDT
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We got Buck Williams
for Sam Bowie…remember that? So you’re exactly right.
by jamon51 on
May 12, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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Prepare for the worst and hope for the best
Oden and everyone are going to get hurt. I just hope they are timed well to not mess up the playoffs. Not that you can time injuries, you know what I mean. Oden just has to stay skinny and he’ll be fine. If he gets all Shaq like, then I’ll be concerned.
"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal
by tominhawaii on
May 12, 2008 12:52 AM PDT
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Yeah!
Yao is a little different than Oden, because he’s 7’5” and weighs 500 lbs and his feet just can’t handle the weight so they break. Oden has a more appropriate frame and size for NBA activity, hopefully. Obviously we got injury concerns with Oden, and it would seriously derail our championship hopes. I just believe what they say about the size of the injury in his knee, and how much “better” it was compared to Z-Bo, Amare, and certainly Miles. His previous injuries, like his wrist and tonsils, can be ‘just one of those things’. I’m not ready to say he’s injury prone, because this sort of stuff happens to every player—except micro, of course.
However, I just hope his micro was small enough and the process advanced enough that it really doesn’t hurt him much. I don’t find Amare or Kidd to be injury prone, and I don’t think Oden was injury prone before the micro. His old lookingness doesn’t help; “Yikes, what if he looks old in the inside too EEKS!!” comes to lots of peoples minds. Maybe I’m naive, or maybe I’m a street smart orphan from the STREETS who knows what is the what, but I believe the KPs and the Docs who say he is a normal 20 year old extremely athletic God-like big man on the inside and just happens to have extra skin on his face which forms “wrinkles”, when they are really just skin folds like a cute puppy. Are puppies old on the inside?! No, of course not, don’t be so dumb.
Oden might be injury prone. Thus far, I think he was just unlucky with the micro and happened to have a wrist injury. Time will tell obviously.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
May 12, 2008 3:31 AM PDT
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You presented a lot of my thoughts Mortimer.
And you did a good job at trying to convince yourself to dismiss your concerns.
Still I wonder about:
a). The knee. It is encouraging that it is only a small tear, but it bothers me a lot that no one can put their finger on what caused it. Getting up off the couch? Dance, Dance Revolution? The softball game? I hope it was the dancing as I believe that game has the potentially to put great strain on a knee. I hold my breath that a like injury doesn’t reappear in the same knee or the other one.
b). He not only looks older than his age, he looks eons older. As you fretted, is everything on the inside of his skin equally aged?
c). I still have never heard how he injured his wrist in college. Did it receive a big blow or was it another mystery injury?
d). I can’t get the report out of my mind from the GM who stated pre-draft x-rays revealed problems with Greg’s knees.
d). Then there’s the writer who watched as last years draft prospects filed by and observed that Greg’s gait didn’t have the fluidity that elite athletes nearly always have.
e). You mentioned Yao’s feet not being able to handle his weight. Although Greg’s weight is from muscle, I’m very concerned that he has gotten so huge. His knees, feet etc. have to support that extra weight that he’s compiling in the weight room.
f). Greg was/is sick a lot. Will the tonsil extraction alleviate those problems? Will he be able to withstand the rigors of 106 game season or so (pre, regular and post)?
g). The Blazer’s physical found a protruding disc in Greg’s spine and one leg that was an inch longer than the other. Concerning? Perhaps the spine should be and I suppose the short and/or long leg could explain his uneven gait.
Actually Dave’s post regarded how the Blazer’s would fare IF Greg were not available and not if we expected him to go down or not. I had been thinking about a Fanpost with the same question, but was afraid I’d be booed out of town.
We’d have the same team as last year BUT with all of our young guys having a valuable additional year of experience. Plus we’ll likely have Rudy and whatever the 13th pick might bring us (I’ve thought one option is to use that pick to get another big guy as insurance in case Greg does turn out to be a Bowie). Without Greg, we’ll still have a good, exciting team next season with maybe enough oomph to get into the playoff’s. And as mentioned in the other comments, KP would continue to build the team and as he has indicated, we have some good pieces for which others are showing interest. But no doubt, we need Greg to become that dominant force everyone is dreaming of. So take care of yourself GO, and get that extra weight off your knees.
As an aside, I’m taken by the differences in an aging KG vs the aging Duncan. Duncan looks heavy, slow and old while the slender, svelte KG still moves like a young guy.
by TwoDeep on
May 12, 2008 8:11 AM PDT
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Ok, I was wrong.
Actually, Dave’s post asked our opinions on what could derail our Blazer team. My simple answer: a serious, long term Oden or Roy injury.
by TwoDeep on
May 12, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
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Booed out of town?
Doubtful. By all means it’s good to hear different point of views so we can talk about them and debate them. Contrary intelligent views like what you just shared is definitely one of the reasons I love this site. Please do share. I think it helps ground us other fans and prevent us from becoming too fanatical.
Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!
by ratbastird on
May 12, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
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1 INCH
Does Oden wear those shoes with an extra inch in the sole of the shorter leg? There was a girl with shoes like that in my grade school.
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by tominhawaii on
May 12, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
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I remember hearing several months ago that Oden was fitted with an orthotic insert or shoe that corrected
the difference. But I didn’t hear that it was a whole inch shorter.
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by annthefan on
May 12, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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I remember hearing they tried a couple of different inserts
The first one corrected the one-inch leg difference, but then he got pain in the non-micro knee. The second one is a smaller and it gives him a little bit of a funny gait when he walks, but no knee pain. (At least that’s what I remember…)
by Corvid on
May 12, 2008 4:19 PM PDT
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The cause and the worry
Ya know, people have mentioned that it is worrisome that no one seems to know the cause of the tear that made micro necessary… but did we know how Z-Bo hurt his knee? Darius? Amare’s was a mystery too, I remember, and completely unexpected, especially after he completely destroyed Duncan and the Spurs in the playoffs. How did Kidd hurt his knee?
To the best of my recollection with all of these cases, the knee started hurting and they played on it and then it hurt too much and they all knew something was wrong. There wasn’t a bad landing or horrible looking leg-going-wrong-way like Andrew Bynum had; no specific event any of them could point to and say “Ahh, here’s where it was”. I could be wrong, but that’s what my memory tells me, and I feel pretty sure about Amare and Z-Bo’s cases. Amare’s case is similar to Oden, where a guy was playing awesome (with Oden being awesome in practice) and not really showing any sign of being hurt, but the pain wasn’t a normal pain so they get the knee checked out and wouldn’t ya know it, they need micro.
So, I don’t worry about what the specific event was. I agree he needs to stay long and lean, like a stronger Dwight Howard/KG type. Those guys have the longest careers and fewest injuries. They are strong enough to help prevent injury, but not so muscley that it weighs and burdens the joints and ligaments. From recent reports, Oden is down to the 280’s, which is about where they want him to play. I don’t worry about the weight, and I trust that all of the Blazer’s management team is focused on getting him super healthy and at the exact weight and strength we need him to be.
Perhaps if Shaq stayed lean yet buff like his early years, he would still be a force and wouldn’t have to take half a season off every year. If Yao wasn’t so big, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to believe his feet wouldn’t betray him. Like we know from Walton and Kevin McHale, once a big man’s FEET betray him then it’s all downhill from there. The knee can be wonky, the back hurtin’, but they can still be good. If the feet give out, they can’t even move.
Now as far as the Simmons quote goes, I totally see that as a homer-fan telling himself he didn’t want Oden anyways. Even with his foul troubles, Oden was CLEARLY amazingly young and athletic in summer league. Robert Parish never took one step from the free throw line and dunked it two handed and slapped his hands on the backboard. Oden’s alleged “old walk” is silly to me, with it either being a young man pimp strut or caused by his uneven legs, both not being a big deal (and he’s supposed to have an insert in his shoes to even out his legs, so I bet he was just struttin’). Simmons was watching Oden walk at the Espys, and wasn’t watching draft prospects file by. Just other regular NBA superstars. We’ve seen Oden walk in video, seen him play, and even after his injury he doesn’t walk like an old man. Before the KG trade, Celtics fans were feeling cursed and burned and wanted to believe that Oden wasn’t gonna be any good.
The GM who said Oden’s knees were bad in the pre-draft physical was likely passing misinformation, and most people pointed it out to be Danny Ainge (again, a Celtic fan/employee wishing Oden wasn’t gonna be good just as Ainge often said Roy wouldn’t be that good). According to KP and Oden’s agents (who, of course, have a vested interest in poo pooing this rumor, but still), the Blazers and the Sonics were the only teams who got to look at his detailed x-rays and physical reports. No one in the East did, and certainly not Ainge. I suspect Ainge is still a lil’ burned from being Pritchslapped the previous year, and spread a little spiteful rumor to make KP lose a little luster. I think if Oden’s knee was truly that messed up from the physical and the X-rays, I doubt he woulda’ been drafted #1. It would be too much of an obvious worry that he was injury prone right from the beginning, and I believe KP and friends and the doctors when they say Oden looked young and strong and bound to get the friction on. I don’t believe a “anonymous East conference GM” who doesn’t have the guts to reveal himself leaking a rumor. That sorta misinformation happens all the time.
According to draft folk and doctors, the uneven leg can be solved with an insert in the shoe and the bulging disc can hopefully be fixed with core exercise and strength training. Maybe it won’t though; every big man has these sorta injuries. Worst case scenario, his back hurts and he gets offseason surgery sometime in the future.
I am an optimist, and being optimistic often makes good things happen for ol’ Mortimer. I admit I am a homer and I really, really, really want Oden to be okay. I am not 100% unbiased here. Time will tell, though I think there are decent explanations for most of the previous problems. His face DOES look old because of the extra skin; he doesn’t have wrinkles, just skin folds. His entire skull has extra skin, even the top of his head has Sharpei-esque extra skin. Plus with his shirt off, in his swim trunks like that one halftime segment showed, he looks like a young super buff Nubian King. I trust KP’s judgement in the pre-draft exams, and I believe what the docs say about Oden being a completely normal NBA 19 year old inside. Aside from his face, Oden looks completely normal otherwise. Once I examined these things further, I don’t worry about him having some weird ‘old young man’ syndrome.
While I am completely aware that I simply just want to believe everything will be okay, I do believe everything will be fine. Oden will be one of the best centers ever and this lost year will be a distant memory, a bit of trivia when discussing his legacy. This year spent learning and developing his post game and getting strong might be the best thing to ever happen to him.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
May 12, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
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I Hurt Oden's Knee
I posted it here before. He was here on vacation and I fell on his knee playing Butter Flavored Crisco Twister. Oden didn’t want to admit that a chubby white guy fell on him in Hawaii, so he just said he didn’t know how it happened. He would have lost all his street cred if he told the truth.
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by tominhawaii on
May 12, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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It had nothin'
to do with Crisco Twister with another dude? Chubbitude or complextion not withstanding.
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by 92wastheyear on
May 12, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
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I really don't know
about the circumstances surrounding the other guy’s knee injuries you mentioned. But I suspect at least one or two probably know the origin of their injuries. I do know when I had a cartilage tear in one of my knees 9 years ago, I knew the exact moment it occurred and what caused it.
I don’t know if this is indicative of anything or not but Oden said he first felt the knee pain when rising from his couch. If this was the maneuver that caused the injury, we’re in trouble. I’m near certain it wasn’t though.
Mortimer, optimism is a wonderful healthy trait so keep it up ….. although some of us do need to guard against morphing into ostriches while maintaining our optimism. My guess is that you have a normal length neck.
by TwoDeep on
May 13, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
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I hope that was a joke
“b). He not only looks older than his age, he looks eons older. As you fretted, is everything on the inside of his skin equally aged?”
You can’t be serious?
by BlazerD on
May 12, 2008 10:38 PM PDT
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Common Denominator
Every single NBA player risks injury. Maybe the risk is a little greater with big men, but so is the upside. You don’t think Kevin Durant’s skinny body won’t be injury riddled throughout his career? I wouldn’t bet against it. Ya takes yer chances….
by ciaomein on
May 12, 2008 3:41 AM PDT
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If the worst happens.
If Oden does become chronically injured, I say we trade him for Buck Williams and make a run at the championships.
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by T Darkstar on
May 12, 2008 7:25 AM PDT
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Houston has
2 injury prone stars.
So Houston would be twice as bad as our worst case scenario ( assuming that Roy or Aldridge are not injury prone too)
by Falcao on
May 12, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
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I don't know if I'd go THAT far ...
It will be a LOT harder, but we will still have a dominating Power Forward, and All-Star guard, and lots of cap space.
The Rockets don’t have 2 of those things.
I think the ‘90s Jazz teams might be a better barometer than the current Rockets. They had Stockton and Malone and maybe Hornacek as their stars, and then a bunch of role players that really weren’t that good. Never had a dominating or even a mediocre big man. We need a better PG, but I think we’ve got a lot of those same ingredients.
The point is well taken, I just don’t think title hopes fall into the realm of “impossibility” if Oden can’t ever play. We’ll still be pretty good for quite awhile.
by bfan on
May 12, 2008 7:47 AM PDT
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Continuation from Play-off lessons into Greg Oden.
Gasol sucks man… that guy should be killing out there with kobe and Odom and he’s not. these leads me to think about aldridge and his lack of a post presence. Yeah he’s silky smooth and all, but I want a BRUISER in there because that makes a world of difference. Bosh is good, Gasol is good, but without the inside… dave is right. You need someone on the team to step up and take it in through traffic.
Oden will make up for that, but he’s just one guy, what happens when he goes out?
Which then leads me to Frye. I love the guy, but I think we’d be better suited if he were a bruiser. I don’t understand why Aldridge and Frye seem unable to grasp the concept of WHY it’s good to be inside with attitude. The practice jump shots and my thought is always “cool, good for you, but why aren’t you inside practicing your moves and dunks?”
Without Oden, I think we still win a couple of championships, with Oden we have a Dynasty.
Two Deep brought up a lot of good points that’d I’d forgotten about and I’d really like to know what the blazers are doing to address them.
The uneven legs
The spinal disc.
The report by the “GM” was dismissed as being false.
Greg Oden may have always been sick because he was pushing himself so hard and maybe the time off helps him recover. He hasn’t injured himself with his workouts and he’s been focusing on his core and flexibility which helps prevent a LOT of injuries. I find that hopeful.
Still… disc and uneven legs. What problems can those issues cause and what are the blazers doing about it and why haven’t there been articles addressing that? I, for one, would really like to know.
Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!
by ratbastird on
May 12, 2008 8:33 AM PDT
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Every player is a roll of the dice
We’ll hit sevens or crap-out. Throw ‘em and play.
by MiledAnimal on
May 12, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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Dave the buzz kill.........
Dave you’ve crossed the Blazer’s edge and fallen into a pit of boiling buzz kill. I’m certain that G.O. will shatter A.C. Green’s record for consecutive games played.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on
May 12, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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Keep Przybilla and Freeland
All the more reason to keep both Joels. Beside keeping Oden fresh and from fouling out, the Joels provide insurance in case of injury to him
by spencerbutte on
May 12, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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Freeland?
Is he really that good? He seems to just be this scrub over in europe right now. I have more confidence in the finland kid than I do Freeland.
Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!
by ratbastird on
May 12, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
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Remember were talking about injury to Oden
“I have more confidence in the finland kid than I do Freeland.”
by spencerbutte on
May 12, 2008 2:09 PM PDT
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Sorry..
I didn’t know your were trying to be qute (cute).
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Without Oden...
The Roy/Aldridge tandem will make many playoff appearances but ultimately fall short of a championship. We really need a dominant Oden for this team to be special.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
May 12, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
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I disagree
I think you underestimate how good Aldridge will be and how much Roy wants to win and how good Rudy will be. Of course, if that happens Aldridge MUST develop an aggressive post presence.
Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!
by ratbastird on
May 12, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
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Maybe
I hope you are right. I think you might be “misunderestimating” how good the Lakers, Hornets and Jazz are… and are going to be well into the future. We need a big 3 to beat those guys, not a big 2.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
May 13, 2008 12:17 AM PDT
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Rudy
I think he can make the big three much like San Antonio.
I’m inclined to agree on the Jazz as I don’t think they should have won two against the lakers. Then again the lakers may just suck more than we give them credit for (much like the celtics).
I know New Orleans is VERY VERY good, I just can’t see Peja staying healthy enough for more than three years and year after next we’ll be making the big push.
Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!
by ratbastird on
May 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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The thing about Yao is that he never takes a summer off to heal his injuries. Once he has recovered [and most times not fully], he is back to active duty with his Chinese national team.
Dirty politics is keeping Yao from becoming one of the best centers this league has seen.
by damir on
May 12, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
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Yao's Size
A lot of the injury issues that centers have is due to their size. It seems that the strain of playing an NBA length schedule while being much over 7ft tall and/or weighing 300 lbs results in a lot of foot and knee injuries. Consider:
- Yao has had the following injuries osteomyelitis in his left big toe, broken bone left foot, broken right knee, stress fracture left foot
- Shaq has had multiple knee surgeries, an arthritic big toe, and hip problems
- Zudrunas Ilgauskas has had multiple foot injuries which have cost him complete seasons twice
- Gheorghe Muresan had an injury riddled career
- Shawn Bradley’s had repeated knee injuries
- Sam Bowie
Seeing how Greg is neither way over 7ft tall or over 300 lbs, he should be injury free much like Garnett and Duncan have been throughout their careers
by tingeyga on
May 13, 2008 8:45 PM PDT
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I was gonna mention that too
Hollinger (I think) did a article about height and career length, and the just under 7-foot peeps had the longest ones and the more over 7 foot ya get, the higher the chance of having a shorter career. Greg Oden is listed at an even 7 foot, but at the pre-draft combines he was measured to be an inch under 7 feet or so, and with shoes on he’s 7 foot. So, hopefully, Oden fits in that category of longish lasting funktified dunkmeisters.
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by Mortimer on
May 14, 2008 1:02 AM PDT
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KD played 80 games this year;
More than Oden’s played in the last 3 calendar years.
Durability is the #1 most important factor for a center in this league. Too many examples to list off.
Injuries were an issue when we drafted him, it’s an issue now, it will be an issue until he delivers. Sad, but true.
It is a lot of pressure on one man who cannot exactly control this situation. This places a lot of demands on Greg mentally.
We will know a lot more in September, certainly.
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by Ben. on
May 12, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
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Lot of pressure
You are right. A lot of pressure on one man who has no control over the situation. Or at least very little control over the situation. If he plays hard (like we want him to) then he will subject himself to injury. If he is nagged by injuries year after year and can’t perform up to expectations, then he will be deemed a failure. Even if he gives it his all he may still end up being deemed a failure. That would be tragic. A psychological blow that very few people would be able to handle gracefully.
Where have all the flowers gone?
by bilingual octopus on
May 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT
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Actually,
it may be KP who’s ends up being deemed a failure if Greg is chronically injured as he’d be accused of not heeding the warnings. Not fair that one aw ‘poop’ can wipe out 10 attaboys but that seems to be the way life is in the sports world.
by TwoDeep on
May 13, 2008 9:45 AM PDT
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