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OJ Mayo Character Issues???

It appears that Mayo may have taken gifts and cash before coming to USC despite being earlier cleared by the NCAA.  What is your guys' (and gals') take on the situation?  For those of you who would encourage the Blazers to trade up and draft Mayo, what affect does this have on your thinking?  Does this cause Mayo to slide?  If so, how much?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3390695

For the video (rather interesting):

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3390571&categoryId=2378529

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OJ Mayo for the Blazers?
I would still draft him; he is a great fit...
9 votes
If KP clears him, I won't argue...
44 votes
Don't touch him with a ten-foot pole
34 votes
Forget character, I wouldn't draft him solely based on talent/fit
17 votes
Other (explain)
0 votes

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whaaaa?

A talented basketball player being channeled to a big-name agent while still in school and receiving “improper” benefits? I’m shocked and horrified! I’m quite certain that this doesn’t happen with dozens of players on an annual basis!

Yawn. The NCAA’s hypocrisy makes me sick. Big universities like USC exploit their “student”athletes in football and basketball to the tune of tens of millions of dollars annually; so long as the athletes stay academically eligible, these universities could not care less about their athletes’ academic success. Meanwhile, the Infractions Committee drops the guillotine on players who attempt to benefit in the slightest from their own abilities, and EVERYBODY else gets a piece of these kids - the AAU scene, the shoe companies, the universities, the agents, the media, and certainly the NBA.

And I’m supposed to wag my finger at Mayo for getting some of his own when virtually every power-that-be is leeching off of him for millions and millions of dollars? Please.

by BlazersOrBust on May 11, 2008 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I understand you point...

and it is absolutely valid one. The rules need to be fixed. Just to play a little devil’s advocate and personalize for the sake of an NBA team drafting such a player: Certainly, the player is not a bad person. That being said, there many kids each year that enter the college ranks with their share of opportunity to accept gifts/cash, but choose not to in order to remain eligible and keep their teams (or future teams) eligible and sanction-free. As NBA GM, while OJ Mayo may be justified personally, would you see him as a more selfish individual than perhaps the Brandon Roy (who is noted for working as janitor to support himself before being admitted to Washington)? Too be honest, I am not sure. And, I am sure there is a lot going on behind the scenes in Mayo’s situation. Interesting issue for sure. Does this affect his draft stock, BOB?

by The Graduate on May 11, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I realized after the fact

that I might have come across as attacking you. It wasn’t my intention at all; the issue you raised is totally a valid one and there are lots of people who will think differently from me on this. Me getting fired up about it was fired up about the issue, not fired up at you being wrong or dumb or mistaken.

As for your final question, I don’t believe it does. IMO the GM’s who would have drafted him before these allegations, in spite of possible character issues or him being a selfish player or what have you, won’t all of a sudden be turned off now. I feel like gifts and improper contact and the web of who’s-getting-what-for-whom is pretty much how the game is played with prep superstars and one-and-done collegians, so it won’t set off any alarm bells that weren’t already ringing.

I personally would take Mayo on the Blazers in a heartbeat. I think he’s kind of gotten a bad rap—the bumping the ref thing was totally overblown; when he threw the ball into the stands after his final high school game, he was throwing it to his father and not as a taunt; and being cited for being in the vicinity of marijuana is a citation that I and approximately 90% of my friends and acquaintances could have received at one time or another. You could argue that it’s bad judgment, but I’m not going to rip somebody else’s judgment when I’ve been in the exact same situation on easily 20 occasions. I haven’t heard anything indicating that he’s a bad teammate, he doesn’t seem to have the attitude of entitlement that one might expect from somebody lauded as a phenom since the seventh grade, and we’re talking about a guy who scored a 29 on his ACTs…that’s in the 95th percentile of all test-takers nationwide. This is not your stereotypical dumb jock.

by BlazersOrBust on May 11, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no worries...

And to be honest, I am in agreement with you on almost every point you made. I just wanted to get the discussion going, you know?

And I agree, Mayo’s gotten a bad rap. I think his ‘incidents’ (or what have you) have been blown far out of proportion. That being said, I am not sure I like him next to Roy in the backcourt. I think for better or worse he has a Kobe Bryant mentality and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He certainly has the talent, and if KP picks him I will fully support Mayo as a Blazer, but I don’t think he would be a primary option for me as armchair GM.

by The Graduate on May 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree

While undoubtedly a very talented player, I’m not certain that he’s a great talent fit with the lineup we’re going to be fielding next year, I agree with you. I was more looking at it from a pure “would I take Mayo on the Blazers even though he has potential character issues?” standpoint and my answer is an unequivocal yes. From a basketball standpoint, I have my doubts—but I don’t really know X’s and O’s well enough to make an informed judgment, and if we draft him then lemme chug some more KP’s Special Kool-Aid Brewed by Nate and I’ll praise it to the heavens.

by BlazersOrBust on May 11, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually he has deferred numerous times in USC games

and an announcer even said that “Mayo needs to start demanding the ball more” when his team was down, that doesnt sound like a person who needs the ball a lot.

I watched a lot of USC and Ari games to check out Mayo and Bayless and for a lot of the time MAyo tried to get the ball to his teammates and when they had passed the ball around the 3pt line for 30 seconds they passed to Mayo with 5 secs and he had 2 options, shoot an off balance 3 to beat the clock, or try to bull his way into the lane and create somthhing there.

As for his fit next to Roy, he is amazing coming off screens, facing the basket and hitting the jump shot, kind of reminds me of Rip Hamilton in that regard. He D’ed up Rose better than anyone I’ve seen and held up Bayless pretty well also. He is a bigger guard as well and could defend bigger PGs and handle smaller ones as well. He is actually a pretty good passer as well, see:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=opera&rls=en&q=oj+mayo+pass&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4867072857404725384&q=oj+mayo+pass&ei=lXcnSK2QN4aIqgP3qeC5CQ

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3009920147247616094&q=oj+mayo+pass&ei=lXcnSK2QN4aIqgP3qeC5CQ

He actually isnt as good at slashing and driving to the lane from what I have seen, he doesnt seem to have that explosive first step to get by his defender but rather can pull even with him and pull up for a nice midrange J.

So a guy who can hit the 3 at .408%, play lock down D sounds great next to Roy, in fact, Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress even compred him to Roy, as someone who is not uberathletic as some but has hign BBIQ and lets the game come to him.

I kinda like the thought of having 2 Roy’s in the backcourt.

KP will do his homework and if he wants him then Mayo is ours.

by SpyderRyder on May 11, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is all KP's plan

Lower mayo’s stock with nasty rumors, and then draft him at 13.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 12, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your point

but it doesn’t justify why we should pay student athletes. They are already being “paid” to be there. They not only get a free education, they get lodging and food as well. The money that athletics generate goes back to not only the athletic department but for the overall university as well, to fund programs that don’t generate revenue.

by Philthyanimal on May 12, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might agree with your argument

if the universities were actually giving their big-time athletes a free education. By and large, universities do not care whatsoever if their athletes earn their degrees. Forty-eight percent of Division I football players graduate; a laughably low 34% of Division I male basketball players receive their diplomas. Those figures are shameful. And the NCAA is complicit, for not demanding that its institutions do something more than merely wink at the “student” aspect of the lives of their student-athletes.

American slaves received lodging and food too. In my opinion, providing basic necessities is not recompense for being the fundamental, key, indispensable labor in a multi-billion dollar industry. And there is no outcry because everybody in the system, save for the athletes, benefits from the exploitation.

by BlazersOrBust on May 12, 2008 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the athletes benefit too, don't they?

They make lots of money later on because of their participation in NCAA sports, true? So maybe it’s like an unpaid internship. I did one of those as a means of gaining valuable experience for my future career. Would I have like to get paid? Yeah. Was that an option? No.

And can you really blame the NCAA totally? Even if there were stricter rules governing graduation rates, do you think the student athletes would all of a sudden care a lot more? By and large the students who know they won’t be able to go pro take their education seriously and graduate (I’m guessing). But the students who know they have a shot see the dollar signs in front of them, and I don’t think any amount of rules is going to change that. And neither would the NCAA paying them. In fact, paying student athletes for their services would only reinforce the notion that they can make money by playing, so why should they have to study?

Though a lot of athletes don’t take advantage of their free ride, it doesn’t change the fact that they are given the opportunity to obtain a top-flight education free of charge. I went to college. I don’t think I tried that hard and still did pretty well, and I’d wager my small, academically driven college was a lot more challenging than most state schools. In reality, I don’t think it would take much effort on the part of a student athlete to earn a degree (given that they stay in school for 4 years). I’m guessing that the athletes that care to try actually come away with something.

Don’t get me wrong here, I think the system is messed up too. But I don’t think the NCAA is completely to blame. Rather, I think the larger issue is our culture, which clearly places a much higher value on entertainment than it does on education.

by bfan on May 12, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame tha parents....

and Canada, lets invade them and turn it into the NBA C league.

by SpyderRyder on May 12, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The vast majority

DON’T make lots of money later on because of their participation in NCAA sports, no. Less than one percent of D-I basketball players get drafted into the NBA; for the NFL, the number is two percent. And that number is related only to being drafted and says nothing about making the team and making money.

So an overwhelming majority of students will not go pro, yet (I reiterate) barely half of D-I football players and scarcely a third of D-I basketball players graduate. Those numbers are an embarrassment. And I think that if there were stricter rules governing graduation rates (tying postseason appearances or scholarship numbers to graduation rates, for example) perhaps the student-athletes wouldn’t all of a sudden care a lot more, but the universities sure as hell would, and you’d see those numbers come right up.

I don’t necessarily advocate that the NCAA pay its student-athletes. But I think it’s beyond inane that those athletes can’t capitalize on their own gifts without severe punishment from the Infractions Committee. As a college student, I can be a world-class pianist and charge admission to my concerts to hundreds of people; I can sell my spectacular paintings to an art galley or a private buyer; but as a highly talented basketball player, I can’t host a basketball camp and charge my campers without losing my eligibility. In my opinion, that’s absurd.

I agree that the onus is also on the student-athletes to take advantage of the opportunity that’s being presented to them. But if you have it hammered into your head night and day that you are a football player, you are here for your ability to play football, you will bring pride to your university with your performance on the field, and your 100 teammates are all counting on you and you on them—where’s the focus going to be? On the classroom or on the field? A great part of attitude is expectation. If you treat kids like they’re really smart, they perceive themselves as more intelligent and perform better on aptitude tests. If you treat athletes as student-athletes and not just athletes, then that too will shape their autoperception and their behavior. I lay the blame for that squarely at the feet of those universities that, in my opinion, are letting their student-athletes down by not demanding more from them academically.

by BlazersOrBust on May 12, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Dozens? Try hundreds. I’m sure half the players on each of the ‘BCS’ conference teams received inducements.

I might as well broach the race issue now, because you know it’s coming… but would these ‘amateurism’ rules be as enforced if it weren’t mostly young black men in the revenue sports? Is it enforced because ‘white america’ doesn’t think that blacks belong in higher education? That’s my bet.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on May 11, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Evidently they are not enforced. Mayo was cleared by the NCAAs. And while race is always a factoring issue, these ‘amateurism’ rules have been in place and enforced since the beginning of the 20th century, long before major college athletics were dominated by the black athlete.

And, I think you have watched Blue Chips one too many times. Half of the players on BCS conference teams? Please tell me you are kidding…

by The Graduate on May 11, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not kidding

I can attest from personal experience, this happens in the world of HS track and field… which is super small potatoes compared to basketball or football.

I mean, look at a this, featuring our very own Steve Blake. Steve Blake! The story features five players from a single high school taking inducements… you don’t think this happens at every big time college program?

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on May 11, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I learned from that article:

Steve Blake played high school basketball with Udonis Haslem? Holy crap!

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on May 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually no...

I don’t. From my experience with NCAA athletics, I think it is rarer than your comment might insinuate. Is it out there? Sure… maybe I am just too naive.

by The Graduate on May 11, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

everybody on your hands and knees, because its a black person. And say “yes sir, yes sir”.

by RipCity on May 11, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Racims is bad

Last night I was at a party and I was talking to an African American gentleman about good restaurants in Hawaii. I wanted to ask him if he knew of any good barbecue places in Hawaii, because I have not been able to find one. Once I was tanked I finally asked, “Mind if I’m racist for a moment?” He said he didn’t mind, then we talked about barbecue for about 10 minutes.

No real point to my story. I just didn’t think it was kosher to to ask a black guy about barbecue, even though we were talking about restaurants, until I was intoxicated.

Racism hurts everyone.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It surprises me

how many american english phrases or aphorisms seem to have racist overtones. I have a very good work friend who happens to be an african american guy. We talk all the time about all kinds of stuff including racial issues. Sometimes I’m appalled at how I find myself tripping over my tongue when I realize, just in time, what connotations some stupid maxim may have. I guess the key is not to use stupid maxims.

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 11, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He’s a swell guy. I figured if I asked him if he like barbecue, he would have jokingly replied, “Are you asking me that because I am black?” The truth is, that was part of the reason. When I first moved here, I asked a Vietnamese cab driver where I could get good Mexican food and he told me to go to Taco Bell.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just do what I do

Throw political correctness out the window.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 12, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Know

But there have been multiple incidents, lately where white people mentioned barbecue and black people and some folks were outraged. Most recently, the owner of the Atlanta Falcons said something about Mike Vick eating barbecue and French fries in prison. Some people got upset about it.

It’s a slippery slope and I was just trying to avoid falling down it.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People getting upset over that sort of thing ...

... need to get a real life. They have what was referred to on my sub as having a personal problem.

by timg56 on May 12, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know... it's funny

I wouldn’t remotely link BBQ to black.

Of course, I don’t understand the linking of chicken or watermelon either.

I love all three because they’re DELICIOUS.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 12, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the beauty of offending people

Half the time, people don’t know it’s offensive until they offend someone. I didn’t know calling someone a”cancer” was offensive until I started hanging out here. I learned calling something or someone “retarded” was offensive when coworker called herself a retard, in front of another coworker who’s daughters have Down syndrome. I figured out that calling something “gay” was offensive on my own. Oh yeah, and I didn’t know “Lakers” was offensive until I came here as well. This is a fun little read regarding a word that is not offense but the guy lost his job anyhow.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once I was talking to someone at work about someone else

and I said “I haven’t seen so and so in a coons age.” The (white) person I was talking to was horrified that I would say something so racist. I was confused because I’d never heard coon used as a derogatory term. I guess I’ve been sheltered, huh. Anyway, it’s an old term and has nothing to do with race.

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 12, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I went to high school in Alabama and I heard that all the time. It has to do with raccoons but it’s best not to say it.

I was in the navy with a guy with the last name of “Coon.” He was down the street in downtown San Francisco and a buddy was yelling for him to come back. He was yelling, “Hey Coon, come up here. Coooooon, we’re going this way.” Everybody on the street, black and white people, stopped and looked at him. A friend ran up and told him to use Coon’s full name. Then everyone started yelling, “Steve Coon, we’re going this way, Steve Coon.”

Can we get any farther off topic? I’ve said before that locals call themselves “Oriental” but if you called an Asian person that on the mainland, you’d get chastised. Here, the second question out of folks mouth is, ‘What’s your nationality?” Japanese people here do not like Japanese people on the mainland. They call them “katonk,” because that was the sound their head made when it bounced off the ground in WWII Japanese internment camps.

I could go on, but I’d just get in trouble. Political correctness is amazing to me. I wonder if someday we’ll find a font offensive.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had that conversation too

I was speaking with someone (a white person) and I mentioned something as not happening in a “coon’s age” (which I will admit was a very countryfied saying, but my people are farm folks) . He was shocked, because he was from the city and thought (incorrectly) that it was a racial slur. I advised him that it was indeed in referrence to a raccoon not a black person. He didn’t believe me until I provided an article from the web showing it’s origins. I have watched in amazement how people seem to go out of their way to be offended by this kinda stuff. I feel that it is important to stamp out these racial slurs from our language …but that being said …we should reserve our efforts for expressions that actually are racial slurs.

Don’t get me started on the whole “lynch” thing. That is no more a racial expression than any other word for murder.

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by 92wastheyear on May 12, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha

I wouldn’t touch that last topic with a ten foot Sharpie.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly. lol

Look up the origin of that term sometime. Your research from the prior post was alarming really. I mean the word only sounds slightly like an offensive term. Pretty soon we will have to stop using words that rhyme with offensive words.

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on May 12, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard

I almost got beat up in 10th grade (I moved to Alabama from Oregon after 9th grade) because a guy behind me, in the hallway, was kicking my heels. I said, “Boy, cut that poo out.” I thought it was a friend, and it turned out to be an African American kid that I didn’t know, who grabbed me and said, “Who you calling boy?” Calling an African American “Boy” is also a racist term.

That’s the problem with offensive words, you don’t know they are offensive until you offend someone.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 12, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I woulda beat ya up for saying "poo"

or died trying!!

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on May 13, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time for a new thread

Anyhow here is a nice summary of Mayo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Mayo

95th percentile on the ACT, but had some off court issues in HS. He is also older than most of the one and dones. If KP approves and moves up to get him then he would make a formidable backcourt with Roy. This seems like a bit of a pipe dream though.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on May 11, 2008 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Only 95th percentile?

If the Blazers want a brainiac they can draft me!

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on May 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you play basketball?

"We comin along." Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on May 13, 2008 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Stay away from him KP. Stay far far away.

by damir on May 11, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Why would you stay away from him?

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on May 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if I disagree or agree with you

I watched the ESPN E:60 thing and I don’t think he was that bad. Keep in mind he’s still a kid. I’m 35 and if anyone on Blazers Edge wants to pay my cellphone bill and buy me clothes, then I’m all for it.

PS. I’m already sick of E:60. They’re so tabloid like it is sickening.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 6:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What is in it for us?

And dont say chocolate covered nuts.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on May 11, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can send you some of Chef's

Chocolate salty balls

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Jake da Snake, can you e-mail me your address for so I can send you Around the Horn Hawaii stuff.

"Reality is for people who can't handle Blazers Edge." - MiledAnimal

by tominhawaii on May 11, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake da Snake

Plissken…........anybody?

by Sabonis4Ever on May 11, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've no problem with him

But he’s not going to be available when we pick, and we’re not trading up to get him, so the discussion is moot.

by OregonDuckworth on May 11, 2008 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's amazing...

I didn’t know you understood KP’s draft strategy so perfectly that you could predict whether we will move up for a player or not.

That’s a bit snarky, so no offense meant, but perhaps you should add qualifiers such as “In my opinion” or “I think” rather than making a declarative statement. Alternatively, you could post your reasoning behind such a statement rather than just stating something that is unknowable as fact.

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by HurraKane212 on May 11, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been a fan of qualifiers.

It tends to make your statement have less impact.

Which one has more authority?

Einstein A: “I think that I am the smartest person in the world.”
Einstein B: “I am the smartest person in the world.”

Einstein B is more believable, and more interesting. Without absolute statements, debate is really impossible. Without them, all arguments could be ended with “we’ll we each have different opinions.” That is really bad way to decide how many rivets to put on the space shuttle’s exterior. So I have nothing against OregonDuckworth making an assertion like that. I think he’s wrong, but in the content of the assertion, not the fact he made one.

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by T Darkstar on May 12, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Debate and arguments are different and you can debate with a person who does not touch the realm of absolute if your purpose in the debate is to actually learn. Absolutes make learning a bit impossible because both sides refuse to bend.

Einstein B is full of it and Einstein A has may be vain, but knows that he could be wrong.

Here's to being hated. Come on #1 pick!

by ratbastird on May 12, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont know

I dont know if he’s right for our team, but I don’t think he has character issues just because he accepted stuff. I’m sure there’s more to the story than whats reported on the news also.

by Philthyanimal on May 12, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion

There have been too many, “It wasn’t that bad” and, “he got a bad rap” lines used to explain away character issues but satisfy the salivating hunger for talent. In the last 10 years, that has not ended well and I am sticking with the, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” approach.

No draftee OJ.

My ignorance is my greatest weapon

by shenanigans on May 12, 2008 6:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any problem at all

The rules are ridiculous. College players are being robbed by the universities that make money on their expenses.
It’s the same crap that the olympics had on the past, if an athlete ( a runner for example) got any money , he couldn’t compete in the olympics.

by Falcao on May 12, 2008 7:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Part of me wants to say ...

he’s another young kid victimized by the system. He probably would have jumped to the NBA, but now you gotta go to college for a year, so his hand was probably forced into playing college ball anyway. Not to mention a lot of these kids come from poor backgrounds and could definitely use the money. Now, weather they take that money and give it to their families or use it buy jewelry and cars is another debate that I won’t get into here …

But the other part of me wants to say rules is rules and I do think it is a character issue if you can’t follow the rules that the system has established and which most players must adhere to. He risked hurting his teammates and his program by taking money, and that’s not cool. Do I think that would affect a GM’s opinion of him? Certainly not all, but maybe some.

by bfan on May 12, 2008 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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