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Kobe Bashing

Am I the only one who is weary of all the Koby bashing on this site?  

Does this quote change anyone's mind?  It doesn't sound like whining to me.

       ************
"Orange County Register, Portland's Rose Garden is a thorn in Lakers' side:

    The Lakers have won 12 of 14 against the Trail Blazers at Staples Center but last won in the Rose Garden on Feb. 23, 2005.

    So what gives?

    "The athleticism," the Lakers' Kobe Bryant said. "That's always the big thing. They're just so athletic and quick. That's always been a problem for us."

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But I am also pretty weary of maybe 9-10 comments about any given subject once in a blue moon being described as "all the 'X' on this site".  "Kobe bashing" comprises no more than 1-2% of the total comments even on discussion of the L*kers, let alone all of the comments in general.  Nor have the proprietors of this site engaged in such.  Nor, I believe, are negative comments about Kobe localized to this site alone.  It's shorthand, I understand, but it's also a fairly inaccurate way of describing the community and its conversation about Kobe or any subject.

--Dave

by Dave on Apr 9, 2008 9:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Whoa, I didn't relaize
you'd be quite this sensitive Dave.  I should have been way more careful and not chosen the words "on this site" as I'd guess it occurs everywhere.  But you see, this is pretty much the only one I read.

There is no way I would suggest or think you should be working to minimize Kobe bashing .... not at all. My diary was intended as food for thought for those frequent Kobe bashers and nothing more.        

by TwoDeep on Apr 10, 2008 8:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not sensitive to you
or your comment in particular, but a result of having read "all the X on this site" frequently...almost always when someone has an axe to grind.  I put that response in your diary because I've known you long enough to know you won't fly off the handle, but it's meant for all.

Instead of "I'm tired of all the X on this site" why can't it just be "I don't like X"?  That's what's really being said.

--Dave

by Dave on Apr 10, 2008 8:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm tired
of all the X's on this site.  This is supposed to be a clean site for the kids.

What were we talking about?  Oh, yeah, KXXe.

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Apr 10, 2008 9:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm Sick
Of all the American Idol talk on the Bedge.  Why don't those people just go to the SB Nation's American Idol blog?  This IS a Blazers blog.

PS.  I dislike K*be too!

What is love? Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more.

by tominhawaii on Apr 10, 2008 11:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kobe is Evil and Nasty
Kobe is a cancer waiting to happen. Again. His personal problems will implode the L*kers. When the Blazers beat them in the playoffs -- next year, after Shaq and the Suns dump this on their a**es this year -- that team will shatter like a cheap glass. "Where are my athletic players??? Why don't they get me some horses??? Waaah! Trade me.  Waaah!"

Lewis Black will host, "Who is the Root of All Evil: Jake O'Donnell or Kobe Bryant?" Or maybe Donald Stern, as played by the The Emperor from Star Wars. Kobe being his Dark Lord of the Sith.

Sure he's cool. Dark lords are cool.

Kobe ... Most Venal Problemchild

'77

by LaoTzu on Apr 10, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah
I hate the guy but I don't HATE the guy.  I respect his game and think he is the best player in the NBA.  If he was rotting on the end of someone's bench, no one would care about him.  I think he knows that and for the most part, so do most fans.  

by tominhawaii on Apr 9, 2008 9:16 PM PDT   0 recs

I enjoy the Kobe bashing.
Let's keep up the good work.
"I was in the neighborhood, feeling a little daffy, so I thought I would stop in for an aperitif." Tom in Miller's Crossing.

by Kampeska on Apr 9, 2008 9:20 PM PDT   0 recs

I think it is not more than rivalry and fun.
Jokes are about repetitive topics (the silly doing silly things, the miser being miser, Jscot ruling the World, etc.) and Kobe is an easy one. USA citizens aren´t considered envious people (at least in my country, we think you may have other characteristics, but not this), but people that value other´s success instead of hate him. So I think it is a matter of rivalry and fun.

by amlmart1 on Apr 9, 2008 9:32 PM PDT   0 recs

My bad
Meant to reply to the "continue kobe bashing" suggestion

by amitp06 on Apr 9, 2008 9:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another perspective might be...
the L*kers have been better than us for a long time, pure and simple.  You may admire the guy that walked away with your girlfriend.  He may be better looking than you.  He may have a better job and more money than you.  He may actually use a napkin at the table, know the correct way to hold a knife, and be able to get through an entire meal without once belching and then proclaiming, "Everyone has a little Captain in them!"  All of that's good and admirable.  But when you talk about him you're still going to call him a schmuck.  That's human nature...and the better he is, the more it's going to happen.

--Dave

by Dave on Apr 9, 2008 9:44 PM PDT   0 recs

And keep in mind that
this dude has some actual well documented schmuckiness (if that is a word), which makes calling him a schmuck even easier

by 92wastheyear on Apr 9, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Makes me laugh.
They were talking about this very topic on the radio and I came up with an analogy, maybe not as good as Dave's, but it makes me chuckle.

He Who Shall Remain Nameless is like the smoking hot girl who's a complete witch.  You can't stand her but it's impossible not to sneak a peek and admire ... um ... well, you know.

"I'm a buffet of goodness."

by TP43 on Apr 10, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah
I heard he eats babies.

by ggassen85 on Apr 9, 2008 9:50 PM PDT   0 recs

But babies are delicious!!!
And so tender!

[IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/rat_bastird/Funny%20Photos/baby_sandwich.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/rat_bastird/Funny%20Photos/0000ycry.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/rat_bastird/Funny%20Photos/0000zcqy.jpg[/IMG]

Team OK just has to say that we'll take the lead with no delay. We have the players to keep the pace and in the end we'll win the race.

by ratbastird on Apr 10, 2008 6:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate and respect him
Respect:  3 titles, unguardable, clutch, smart

Hate:

Biggest whiner in the NBA
2nd best player on the team that took a title from our grasp

Colorado--- at best he betrayed his wife/kids by cheating.  At worst he is a rapist... he did pay her off.  I hate the  destructive action of cheating and I believe most rapists should be in prison for decades

by tweener on Apr 9, 2008 10:24 PM PDT   0 recs

It's the whining
that gets me. Have some respect for the game!
Get Greg outta the burbs

by BigCelPhone on Apr 9, 2008 10:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Totally all for it
I'm totally all for it, however, I must admit that the "Kobe Sucks!" chant at the Garden last night was nothing short but embarrassing to those watching the game around the globe.

Look at the rings.  Look at the individual accomplishments.  Chanting "Kobe Sucks!" makes us, as a fanbase, look silly.

by Scorcho on Apr 9, 2008 11:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Haha
I thought the same thing. My buddy and I were joking about how stupid it sounded.

by bocious on Apr 9, 2008 11:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On the other hand, some people view
Adulters, possibly rapists as kinda sucky

by leeroyjenkins on Apr 10, 2008 7:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea, but
we don't take Tom seriously.
I'm super duper awesome

by hobobob on Apr 10, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But if you were going to make that the criteria
you'd have to chant at more people than just him.  In any case, I doubt that most folks meant the chant that seriously.

--Dave

by Dave on Apr 10, 2008 5:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought
the Kobe Sucks chant was more a reactive response to the Laker fans there chanting, MVP.  Personally, I thought it was rather funny.

by Stryder9 on Apr 10, 2008 7:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was in the section that started that chant
and let me tell you it was most DEFINITELY in response to the unbelievably hostile and annoying laker fans in our section. Chanting MVP every time the guy tied his shoes was getting old to say the least. I laughed when it first started and then joined it drown out the MVP chants which had gotten on my nerves for 3 quarters. The Laker fans were constantly invoking Game 7 and rubbing in our faces all the years the Lakers had beaten us. It was sort of a a THIS IS OUR HOUSE moment.

 I personally loathe Kobe more then any player in the league for a variety of reasons not least of which is the Colorado incident. His getting Shaq traded for his own greater fame was classless at best. The guy flops more then Vlade Divac. No question he is an incredible talent but its such a waste that its in the form of such a classless jerk. Give me Jordan, Give me LeBron give me anyone but Kobe he's a punk plain and simple. His suckitude has nothing to do with his basketball skills and everything to do with his attitude.

by Idog1976 on Apr 10, 2008 9:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL
Best comment on the thread.
I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Apr 10, 2008 2:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like Kobe Bashing
It rolls off my tongue and it makes me think of a movie.

My name is Kobayashi. I work for Keyser Soze.

What is love? Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more.

by tominhawaii on Apr 10, 2008 6:33 AM PDT   0 recs

Kobe bashing helps me sleep at night.
And that quote from Kobe means nothing. When is the last time you've heard someone say the "athleticism" of our team is overwhelming? I think he was just throwing out a pat answer to a lame question so he could get on the sorry bus and go home. WHAT A LAME LOSING LOSER IS HE!!! SOUR PUSS!!!

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 7:01 AM PDT   0 recs

Listen
This is a Blazers' fan site.  We don't really want to have you saying such nice things about that guy here.
I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Apr 10, 2008 7:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL
I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Apr 10, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kobe basher
Kobe bashing and Kobe heckling are one of my favorite ways to express my NBA fandom. That said, I completely respect the guy and acknowledge that he has super-powers. I saw one of his 60+ point games at the Staples Center and it was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen on the basketball court. He's a Magneto type; A super-villian of enormous power who I respect even though he uses his skills for evil. I hate very few NBA players (Reggie Miller and Manu Ginobili are the first to come to mind) but villiany is an important part of my enjoyment of the game. It gives the games an operatic quality that would be missing if we had to look at the game "objectively" all the time. I think you can boo and hiss a player and still vote for him to be MVP at the same time. I can handle the cognitive dissonance.

by Jumbo on Apr 10, 2008 7:55 AM PDT   0 recs

Drowning out
I think I justified to myself joining in on the "Kobe Sucks" chant, because at first they were only trying to drown out the "MVP" chants that was sadly actually getting heard pretty loud at the Rose Garden.
And the way I see it, the booing during his possessions can be for all the people wearing his jersey at the game. You paid to get into a Blazer home game, and you're going to wear purple and gold? That's fine. But you better expect to hear a chorus of boos!
A girl sitting behind me at the game kept scoffing and being like "Kobe doesn't suck! He's got over 30 points! What's wrong with these people??", to which I said "I think you're missing the point."

by hiccough on Apr 10, 2008 8:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Spit Take!
  Come on. This is Blazers Edge. Too much Kobe Bashing?

  I hate The L*kers. Kobe is the face of the franchise, and IMO not that likeable in any case.

  I'd dislike Kobe for several reasons beyond him being a L*ker.

  Bashing The L*kers and Kobe is an expected and natural condition as a Blazer fan.

  Sure I respect Kobe's on the court talent. It's undeniable. But stop bashing him? OK, I'll stop when Kobe stops whining after every call that goes against him.  

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Apr 10, 2008 8:35 AM PDT   0 recs

hate him or not
we'd all love him if he was a Blazer from day 1, don't even deny it. I can't stand him either, but I'm not so naive as to think that if he had started his carreer as a Blazer, we'd think he was the greatest player ever, and whine right along with him!

by mark twain on Apr 10, 2008 8:47 AM PDT   0 recs

well yea
We complained about Scottie Pippen until he became a Blazer. We protect our own, and bash those who aren't.
TheOdenator

by TheOdenator on Apr 10, 2008 9:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just like
we protected Rasheed Wallace and Bonzi and Zach Randolph and Isaiah Rider...? I don't think we necessarily protect them. Sometimes I think the fans are harder on our guys than others.

by jamon51 on Apr 10, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's hard to stay in bed
with someone that doesn't want you there.  Zach may be a little different, but Sheed, Bonzi were total jerks that disrespected fans every chance they got.  Rider was a thug, and I'm not all that sure I wouldn't defend him to this day, but it was soooo long ago, who knows?
I'm super duper awesome

by hobobob on Apr 10, 2008 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok.
It looks like Kobe bashing is sport in itself that many enjoy so I'll have to try to "un-weary" myself.

I imagine though there are more than a few out there commenting negatively on Kobe's whining over ref calls that were blind to Jordan's propensity for the same. In Jordan's mind, I don't think he ever committed a foul in his life. Duncan's a whiner too and so was Magic and a host of others.  

Yeah, Kobe did some bad things like cheat on his wife. But if that is a criteria used to determine who to root for, and the truth were revealed NBA wide, I'm afraid our hero list would be shortened considerably.

BTW, I found it refreshing that Kobe gave credit to Blazer's skills instead of making excuses about the loss like many do, e.g. "we gave them that one".  "Give credit where credit is due" was my father's favorite adage, and it has served me fairly well too throughout my life. Kudos to Kobe for that.

       

by TwoDeep on Apr 10, 2008 9:16 AM PDT   0 recs

That is probably a good idea
since the bashing won't go away. As far as Jordan's whining goes.... I have always agreed (I remember how he would get calls on his fadeaway jumper. Think about that for second....it is virtually impossible to foul someone on a fadeaway jumper..but he continuously got that call). As far as Duncan goes..arrrg . He flopped so blatantly on a play on Sunday that there was actually about a half second delay between when he bumped in to Joel (I think) and when he started flailing and fell down. Guess what ...he got the call, of course.

oops sorry went off on a tangent.

by 92wastheyear on Apr 10, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely
not. Jordan never abused his star power and WAS fouled on his fadeaway jumper. Check the tape........check allllllll the tapes.

Besides, he was my hero growing up.

by iDea on Apr 10, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Of all the teams...
the L@kers draw the absolute ire of Blazer fans. They have reached the pinnacle of nemesis-ness, and he (Kohbee) is their leader.

Is he an amazing talent, one of the greatest ever? Of course. Would we love him if he was ours? Likely. Has he repeatedly thrust daggers into our hearts? Most certainly. I doubt we'd have such distaste for him if he never played for them. But he does. And so we shall valiantly root against him.

Also, the Coby Sucks chant thing, though seemingly immature, was without a doubt in response to the MVP chants that were ringing loud and clear through our house, the Garden of Oden (I've decided Greg should buy the rights to the arena and name it after himself... it's the right thing for a world class center to do). I don't think that any fan would actually think that Briant sucks. Besides, he's got to be 3rd or 4th on the MVP list right now (behind Paul, James, and maybe Garnett).

"Competition is a process or variety of habitual behavior that grows out of a habit of mind." -Willard Beecher

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 10, 2008 10:34 AM PDT   0 recs

Also,
it was reported that Kobi's postgame media session was less than great, as he was late, he was short, and he was mumbling.

I found his answer to why they lost to us rather condescending. If we are so athletic, how come they beat us by 13 both times in LA?

Just another piece of his whiny pie.

"Competition is a process or variety of habitual behavior that grows out of a habit of mind." -Willard Beecher

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 10, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought so as well ...
I posted above that this was clearly a pat answer, and probably a condescending one at that. We are certainly not the most athletic team in the Association ... yet. This was clearly not giving credit where credit is due ... he just wanted the interview to be over.

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 1:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL! I love all of the imaginative ways...
that you found to mis-spell his first and last names. Well done keep up the good work!

Oh, and...

Cobay Sucks!

43:12 Min, 9-18 FG, 4-5 FT, +14 +/-, 4 Off, 16 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 1 Blk, 22 Pts - LMA vs LA 4-8-08

by LaMarvelous on Apr 10, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i think he actually said this *before* the game
in the article that ran in the LA Times on the day of the game (about the Lakers always (hehe) losing at the Rose Garden).

I don't know how this affects the overall intention or meaning, though.

by Section323 on Apr 10, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm, or maybe he said it before and after
so I guess he really really meant it.

by Section323 on Apr 10, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I f I had been there I would have led the cheer.
I can think of scads of reasons to despise K*be but none of them has anything to do with his basketball acumen or athletecism. He's fantastic at what he does for a living but it certainly doesn't make him a good guy. He exudes slimy-ness and entitlement. UGH.

by annthefan on Apr 10, 2008 3:19 PM PDT   0 recs

scads
1)any of several carangid fishes (especially of the genus Decapterus)
2)S.C.A.D.S. (Stamp Collectors against Dodgy Sellers)
3)a large number or quantity --usually used in plural <scads of money>
I learn a new word every day on the Bedge.
Wells Fargo Free Pony For Lucky Section Lucky Row

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 10, 2008 3:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KOBE SUCKS
no disrespect, but hey.... it's a blazers site.
I'm super duper awesome

by hobobob on Apr 10, 2008 5:18 PM PDT   0 recs

They both SUCK !
   Jordan and Blobe both suck. I never liked
Jordan when he was our enemy, because I loved
Clyde. JORDAN RULES were ridiculous due to
him getting all the key calls. In addition,
most of his fans (kids) couldn't name more than
one or two other players on the Bulls. I hate
the Star system, because it rewards (foul calls)
based on the player, not the actual foul call.
    BLOBE? You name the reason, and I'll hate
him. Most of all it's the look on his face when
a call dosen't go his way. He gets this angry,
"you didn't call that, you @$%^&$%$%^&". He
often looks like he wants to beat the ref
senseless. I can't stand the sight or mention
of him, so don't mention HIM again, please!!!!!
It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Apr 11, 2008 11:23 AM PDT   0 recs

Kobe Bashing
Kobe bashing is second hand nature to most true Blazers fans. Anyone who claims to have had enough is obviously a Lakers fan in disguise or a bandwagoner who hasn't quite caught on yet to how things are done around here. I personally hate Kobe more than anything person, place, or thing in the known universe. I will never tire of Kobe bashing and I would appreciate it if you didn't bother me about it.

by blazersfan50 on Apr 11, 2008 12:00 PM PDT   0 recs

and one more thing...
last night during the LA/LA game (what a great game it was) cOBY got benched due to the sizeable margin and was over on the baseline during a timeout juggling the gameball (not like circus juggling, but like soccer juggling... you know, when someone keeps the ball off the ground by continually kicking and kneeing it to oneself).

just more of his antics... What, MLS started up and you were seen watching David Beckham play at an LA Galaxy game and you wanted to show your skills Kobe? blah. He's so smug... how could you NOT want to bash him?

"Competition is a process or variety of habitual behavior that grows out of a habit of mind." -Willard Beecher

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 11, 2008 2:05 PM PDT   0 recs

oh, and I just remembered...
that said Mr. Beckham and his wife were courtside at the game. Really, K-Bry, really?

LAME-O!

"Competition is a process or variety of habitual behavior that grows out of a habit of mind." -Willard Beecher

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude
It would be a Rose Garden smash!
Early to Bedge and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.

by tominhawaii on Apr 11, 2008 7:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hate him
Kobe spends more time playing the officals than the game. He wants to win too much. Its painful to watch. I will enjoy watching him throw away a series by flailing when he could have scored.

And no.I would not watch another blazer game if we got him.

by meatwad1 on Apr 11, 2008 11:03 PM PDT   0 recs

I like Kobe...
He's one of the two best players in the NBA.

He's an imaginative player and drives to the rack as well as anybody. He's capable of being a great passer. He's clutch.

People that slag off on him are wimpy little weiners that can't appreciate the TRUE "buffet of goodness."

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Apr 12, 2008 3:57 PM PDT   0 recs

>> He wants to win too much.
................................... and that is bad how, exactly?
"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Apr 12, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love you man
It's like, I see two new comments in a diary, and I'm all like, "I wonder what Timbo's said."
Early to Bedge and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.

by tominhawaii on Apr 12, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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