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Thuggets = Jail Blazers :-(

 

I left this post on Pickaxe and Roll. I know we all hate the Nuggets, probably more than most fan bases because they represent the parts of our team that we hated. However, we share a common burden with their fans. We know what it's like to have an incredibly talented and mentally unstable team that keeps breaking our heart and the asking for bail money. I say we go over there and show some support for the poor Nuggets.

 

Here is the comment I left:

I sympathize. We went through several years of this in the Damon, Rasheed, Bonzi, Darius, and Zach show. The Jail Blazers are finally dead, but rebirth has been painful. We went from the WCF in 2000 to a downward spiral where we missed the playoffs for the first time in over two decades and slogged through mediocrity and right into "turribleness". However, now we are on the upswing. I hope for ya'll's sake that your roster gets blown up this off season because you're going nowhere and the rebuilding needs to begin. Like the Red Hot Chili Peppers say in Californication "Destruction leads to a very rough road, but it also breeds creation."
~Nathan

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"Thuggets" -- I like that.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Apr 28, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

Everybody’s sympathy for other sports teams fans. I am not singling you out, it’s just that many people are constantly saying they are sorry for the Sonics, Warriors, Nuggets. Its us versus them man. We need to fight the power. We suffered through the crap and came out smelling like roses. I understand sports are supposed to be fun and entertaining and such. But, a big part of it is the rivalries. I could elaborate, but… you get the point.

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 28, 2008 8:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Homey

It’s called empathy man. Come on now.

by begottenson on Apr 28, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I empathize.

We root against opposing teams and poke fun at their fans, but when the game ends the fact is we love talking about basketball with fans of other teams. The fact is alot of friends and acquaintances are fans of other teams, and empathy is a natural byproduct of that.

by bocious on Apr 28, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is sports...

and sports calls for-wait for it-sportsmanship.

I despise the Lakers, but I don’t wish ill upon any Lakers fan. It’s just a game, after all.

by EngineerScotty on Apr 29, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no sympathy for Nuggets fans.

I live in Colorado Springs and have been to Blazer games in Denver. You should have heard these guys once they got AI. I’ve never seen a horse so high in all my life. I told many around these parts they gave up too much for AI, and things would not go how they hoped. I was jeered, laughed at, roundly booed. One guy at a liquor store told me the Blazers suck. Needless to say I did not buy his beer that night.

Well, who sucks now, Thuggets fans?

I do feel sorry for the Sonics and their fans, though. Having a stinky team is one thing. Having your stinky team taken away from you is entirely something else.

by bfan on Apr 28, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thuggets...hahaha...

Denver and their fans are not very knowledgeable. I went to the NLCS Game 4 in Denver last year, and these fans refused or didn’t know to stand up for 2 strike counts or important at bats. Baffling as a sports fan.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Apr 28, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Credentials of the Thuggets

Have the Thuggets really been up to enough shenanigans to warrant comparison to the Jail Blazers? Other than the fight with the Knicks and Melo’s DUI I can’t recall them getting into any trouble. That they are an unstable group is certain, but I don’t think that this alone makes them equals to the Jail Blazers

by tingeyga on Apr 28, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We're talkin about practice!

and JR Smith has had his problems with coaches.

Marcus Camby has always seemed like a classy man to me and is the only player on their team that realizes he doesn’t have to score 30 points to win a game. He does it with defense, rebounding, and assists

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Apr 29, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur

I just don’t see what ANY of the so called Thuggets have done that warrants even being in the same paragraph as the Jail Blazers, or even to be called Thuggets. Aside from Melo’s DUI, has any of them done anything REALLY wrong? Like, Ruben Patterson style wrong?

I can’t stand Kenyon Martin at all, he is ants at a picnic, and JR Smith is obviously a dummy. But how are they that bad or worse than MOST teams in ANY sport?

I think we can’t let our standards sink so low in regard to branding a team a bunch of outlaws, just because some of them are annoying (but thus far law abiding) and have tattoos. And perhaps one of them doesn’t like to talk about practice, but who does?

The current Nuggets just aren’t a complementary mix of players. Need more defense, less volume scoring, more real PGing. More leadership, more teamwork. It’s not because they are an explosive mix of bad people, like the old Jail Blazers. I don’t feel that bad for Nuggets fans, they got AI and Melo on their team! Plus Camby! A MVP still in his prime, a 30ppg scorer still about to enter his prime, and a DPOY shot blocking center who can even score. What’s to feel sorry about? They won 50 games and had their best season record wise in YEARS. They got some exciting players to cheer for.

The Suns and Mavs are gonna go home also. The West is a vicious bitch this year. To blow it up, after winning 50+ games and likely able to do it again next season, with no real other plan in place besides “something new” isn’t really a good idea for any of those teams. As we’ve seen with our own team, it’s hard to get back to mediocre, let alone a 50 win team.

50 wins for this Nuggets team sounds like a great year, to me. Yeah, they won’t win a championship, but they’re closer now than if they trade Melo away. Not EVERYONE can be the Blazers and be set for a decade of titles, can they?

In summation, a team should only be called thugs and gangsters or have a pun created out of their team name reflecting their badness, when a team has a cast of bad mean dumb dudes. Otherwise, every team can be deemed thugs.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 29, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

In fact, I take issue with the term “thuggets.” There’s really no evidence any of those guys is a thug.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Apr 29, 2008 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact

it sounds to me like all they needed was a reasonably proficient distributor of th e ball, a glue guy, you know, like maybe Steve Blake. D’oh!

by LaughingJon on Apr 29, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thugs then

I agree. Let’s call them all thugs. I’m not sure they’d be so unhappy with that epithet. Seriously, though, tats and a bad attitude does form the base ingredients for thugishness. They’re not, however, in the same league as the Jail Blazers. One does not need to go to jail to be a thug.

Think in terms of contrast: Roy is not a thug. He doesn’t have tats, respects his momma, speaks good of his wife and family, doesn’t brag. AI has many, many tats, was the poster boy for ‘looking like a thug’ before the dress code.

There’s a significant personality difference here. If you want to come up with a better word than thug, please feel free. Until then, AI, Martin are exactly the types that come to mind when someone mentions the word thug.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Apr 29, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

let me get this straight...

If you are black, have tatoos, and wear baggy clothes and jewelry, you are a thug???

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Apr 29, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, way too many people

would answer that question in the affirmative.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Apr 29, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

JR Smith killed someone last year with his car. He’s rather lucky he didn’t get a manslaughter rap.

None of the Jail Blazers antics resulted in a death.

OTOH, does that tar the reputation of the rest of the team? I dunno. AI has behaved himself in Denver; Camby’s not a bad dude, and even Big K Mart has played well. And you gotta feel for Nene, here’s hoping the cancer stays away.

I still think that George Karl is the wrong coach for this bunch.

by EngineerScotty on Apr 29, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True...

But the Nugs infractions (JR’s car accidents, Melos DUI, etc.) don’t seem as outlandish (I guess that is the right word) as what went on during the Jail Blazer era. I mean you had dog fighting (Qyntel Woods), using your basketball card as ID during a traffic stop (Qyntel again), trying to sneak weed wrapped in tin foil through airport security (Damon), fights in the shower (Ruben and Z-Bo), Zo-Bo hiding at Dale Davis’ house because he was afraid that Ruben was going to shoot him, and the list goes on and on. I think that what made the Jail Blazer era so unique was that nothing seemed impossible with that group.

by tingeyga on Apr 29, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Morty!!

Don’t Snitch!!

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on Apr 30, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The name

Thuggets is just a reference to how they (with a few exceptions) play basketball. They play like they are in a pickup game with self imposed isos and little ball movement. Also, I thought it was on the witty side…

My comparison to the jail blazers was not because they are off court criminals, but rather because of the amazing level of talent and major chemistry problems that make them a top seed on paper but an 8th seed in reality.

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Apr 29, 2008 1:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thuggets is clever

I don’t really mind this all that much, I just see lots of people comparing the Nuggets to the Jail Blazers and just didn’t feel their deeds warranted such an awful comparison. I know what you mean about how they play; if they passed and moved the ball like we did during the 13 game win streak the Nuggets could beat anyone. They got a lot of talent.

At the same time, they did win 50 games, which is pretty good. Last year that woulda’ won the NW division and got them a 4th seed. Hell, our ‘77 Championship team didn’t even win 50 games, did they? We wouldn’t have even made the playoffs this year. The Nuggets do have talented players who are tradeable, and aside from Nene (and K-Mart I guess) they don’t have truly insane contracts that no one will take (and now that K-Mart is healthy, perhaps he is tradeable too). They can maybe get better, or stay a good 50 win team. I don’t think they’re so talented that 50 wins is a travesty, but they’re being thought of as underachieving thugs. Yeah, they’re an 8th seed, but everyone in the Western playoffs was a few bad losses away from the 8th seed. What they achieved this year just doesn’t seem that bad, but all the Denver media and fans act like it needs to be blown up.

Dallas, on the other hand, is supposed to be contending for a title and will likely be out in the 1st round. PHX too. THEY should be getting crap and treated like how the Nuggets are. Those teams are getting crap too, but not at the same level Denver gets.

The Nuggets have really annoyed me this playoffs though, because they put up no fight against the Lakers. It was pathetic. The Lakers aren’t THAT good, but they sure looked it against Denver.

Honestly, I hope Denver does blow the team up because that is our easy “in” to the playoffs. Same for Dallas and PHX. The more teams blown up the merrier, because we’ll be happy to take their place. If I was a fan of those teams though, I’m just not sure the alternative would be better—and is likely a lot worse.

I don’t really like defending the Nuggets; they’re a rival and I hate Kenyon Martin. I think a lot of the “thug” talk comes from AI and Melo’s supposed reps, and I don’t agree with that part.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 29, 2008 3:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with your final line

if that’s all that were playing into the perception that the Nuggets are a thug-filled team…but I think it’s worse than you realize. JR Smith’s reckless driving - multiple tickets, multiple license suspensions - turned lethal last summer when he ran a stop sign and collided with another car; the crash killed Smith’s passenger. A moment’s inattention can become a tragic accident for anybody, but it didn’t happen in a vacuum, you know? He had established a track record of not caring about traffic laws, he was in another car accident just five months earlier, and somebody died at least partially because of his negligence. Smith was also suspended for the first three games of 2007 after this incident http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_5730482,00.html where he poured champagne on a woman dancing at a nightclub, grabbed her outside the club and tore her dress, and spat in her face.

Kenyon Martin screamed threats and obscenities at a fan sitting courtside in 2006 (he was fined $15,000), cursed out a Nuggets beat reporter, and is constantly among the league leaders in flagrant fouls. Oh, and he mocked Alonzo Mourning, his own teammate at the time, for suffering from a life-threatening kidney disease. Sounds a little bit like a cuddly PF we used to have, doesn’t it?

Carmelo has been cited for marijuana possession twice since entering the league; both times the charges were dropped when friends claimed the green was theirs. Could be true, but “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine” gets my vote. He was suspended for 15 games after the MSG brawl, so it’s not just off-the-court stuff. Factor in the recent DUI and last year’s “Stop Snitching” video, where Carmelo appeared in a grainy tape with Baltimore drug dealers who were threatening the lives of citizens who cooperated with the police, and I’d say that there’s nothing supposed about Melo’s rep.

Iverson has pleaded no contest to marijuana possession and carrying a concealed weapon; he has thrown his wife out of their house, gone to where she was staying, and threatened to kill the two men she was with; he’s been kicked out of at least two casinos - while in-season - for public urination and for becoming excessively belligerent with a dealer; his list of NBA-related fines and suspensions is impressive in its length and variety.

Basically, what I’m saying is I’d want no part of any of these guys because it would be just like the bad old days under Trader Bob. I think the Nuggets’ players deserve their negative reps.

by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2008 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not fair

I didn’t know about most of those events, so it’s unfair to use it to prove I was wrong. This should have came up during discovery, you can’t just spring it on me during he trial!

Well, I give Melo some breathing room like I have Darius because of where they came from. It’s hard to leave friends and relatives behind, even when they seriously jeopardize your life and career. It’s not right, but it’s complicated. It’s a tough mindset to grow out of, even when they reach the NBA. Not that no one else is from those areas; Jarrett Jack is from Baltimore I believe, and he doesn’t tell people to not snitch. I empathize sometimes though, because I myself am straight street and my past always returns to haunt me.

JR Smith though was known by me to engage in douchery, as was Kenyon Martin. I wouldn’t ever want those guys on my team—and for that matter, I wouldn’t want AI or Melo either, but less for character reasons and more for their volume scoring and lackluster defense ways. You’re right though, they’ve all had attitude and legal problems that are questionable at best.

I agree the team isn’t a good mix of personalities; I just don’t think that team is much more capable of winning more than 50 games and thus isn’t underachieving or embarrasing their fans. The stuff off the court and Melo’s DUI recently, sure—though I think the on court play angers the Denver fans and media more, and since they’re angry about losing all of the off court stuff suddenly becomes a problem when it wasn’t before.

All in all, you’re right. The Nuggets got more than their fair share of crab apples. They knew what they were getting into though, trading for AI and JR and signing K-Martin. If the fans truly do dislike their team even when winning, then I definitely feel awful for them. If people expect this team to challenge for the title, then they’re a poor judge of their team’s chances. This year they’re a first round exit, but this team is good enough to make the second round most years. This year is just way tough, so I think the unrest in Denver is much greater than it probably should be.

Not that I’m an expert on the Thuggets. I guess it’s a good thing that this Denver team is deemed one of the worst character wise, because it shows the NBA really doesn’t have as many problems as all of the other major sports.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 29, 2008 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely agree that the Nuggets

aren’t built to win a championship with their current mix and that winning anything more than 50 games in the Wild, Wild West is probably a pipe dream for them. And let’s be honest, people in Portland weren’t complaining about character when we were winning games with Sheed, Rod Strickland, Damon, Bonzi, Gary Trent…you’re right that losing breeds concern about off-the-court ways where none existed before. I just wouldn’t go out of my way to defend the Nuggets, that’s all. They’re about one Zach-breaking-Ruben’s-face incident from Portland craziness circa 2003 in my book.

You’ve been all over the boards lately! You bored or what?

by BlazersOrBust on Apr 29, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to procrastinate

And I’ve been finishing a project, which puts me exclusively at the computer, which makes me check Blazers Edge, which in turn makes me reply to stuff, which in turn keeps me at the computer longer because I’m not finishing my project.

It’s a vicious cycle.

I don’t think I was there, but I’ll always assume Ruben deserved to get his face cracked.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 29, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This story was actually covered

in Sports Illustrated. Ruben used to love the hazing rituals. When Zach was a rook, Ruben crept up behind Zach when they were both in the shower (yes this is true) Ruben grabbed him from behind, lifted him up and slammed him on his butt on the floor and bruised Zach’s tail bone quite badly. The next year Ruben started hazing Quintell (Zach’s dog fighting buddy) and Zach stood up for his friend. Neither men were saints, but you are right, Ruben (somewhat) deserved it. I don’t condone violence, but I have heard that Ruben was a turd.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Apr 29, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shoots Den

You know what’s funny? I have three tattoos, that are hidden, and I’ve done almost all those things the Nuggets have done. The only difference between us, not counting the obvious, is that I didn’t get caught.

I'm a man without a signature. Like a cassette without a player.

by tominhawaii on Apr 29, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

concealed weapons?

threatening to kill people?
Fatal accidents in your car (that were your fault)?

Geez, Tom, I hope not.

by Section323 on Apr 30, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the Hard-Knock Life

I come from the streets, I come from the city, I come from a world where there is no pity.
I’m the OG.
911 is a joke.
Nuthin’ But A G Thang.
I keeps it real.
Blazers Edge ain’t ready for this Thug Passion.

Mahna mahna, (ba dee bedebe), mahna mahna, (ba debe dee), mahna mahna, (ba dee bedebe badebe badebe dee dee de-de de-de-de)

by tominhawaii on Apr 30, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

As far as Dallas and Phoenix go, we’re all in “lets just pretend that this isn’t happening” mode. It couldn’t be that easy to totally screw a franchise and go from 60+ wins to first round exits, can it? What, you mean the collapse of the Miami Heat could happen to anyone? I thought that kind of bad luck/incompetence was reserved for the Clippers…

God I hope it isn’t contagious, it could ruin even a proud franchise like the Bulls or Knicks… oh…

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Apr 29, 2008 5:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Phoenix series SHOULD be 2-2, I remind you...

Coach D’Antoni did have sexual relations with that pooch in game 1.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Apr 29, 2008 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Nuggets

Would spend as much time working on their game as they do getting tattoo’s, they’d probably be pretty good.

by Jason3123 on Apr 29, 2008 6:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As the great Vonnegut said, more or less...

“You are what you pretend to be, so you must be very careful what you pretend to be.”

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Apr 29, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too many tattoos

Maybe they’ll draft Chris Douglas-Roberts. He’d fit right in. Dude’s got a whole Bible verse or something on his arm. Never did understand why a person would get writing tattood on theirselves when there’s no shortage of paper in this country.

Where have all the flowers gone?

by bilingual octopus on Apr 29, 2008 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Paper might look funny though.

Player A: “What’s that on your arm?”
Player B: “Oh, that. That’s a poem my girlfriend wrote for me. I wanted to keep it close to me forever.”
Player A: “Dude, it’s a sheet of paper. And it looks to be in terrible shape.”
Player B: “I lost this corner when I was in the shower this morning. And it’s still wet.”
Player A: “The ink is running down your arm and giving you a nasty rash. It’s not even legible anymore!”
Player B: “But at least it’s here with me forever.”

But I jest. Welcome to the Blazers’ Edge community, from an octalingual biped. (slight exagguration necessary for play on words)

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Apr 29, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exaggeration?

You don’t have two legs?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 29, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that they had advanced prosthetics

to the point where I didn’t need them anymore.

At least that is what JTDuck told me.

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Apr 29, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say what you want about Carmelo and AI on the Nuggets

but give them credit for their terrific play, effort, and sportsmanship when they represented America on Team U.S.A.

by MiledAnimal on Apr 29, 2008 9:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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