Oden superstar?
I'll admit it, I have my heart set on Greg becoming a superstar in this league and the best center in the NBA 5 years from now. But the more and more I think about it, the more I feel like I'm just setting myself up for disappointment.
Realistically, he had major surgery before even stepping out onto an NBA court, which is a huge white flag IMO. And the general vibe I get from a lot of Blazer fans now is hoping that he will just be a servicable center down the line. I'm still hoping he will be great, but I'm starting to doubt my feelings towards him. He had a horrible Summer league against 3rd string centers which isn't exactly a huge deal, but I expected him to do better. Watching videos of him playing, he just seems goofy and uncomfortable on offense. He's a great defender, but he is a foul machine. He needs a lot of work. My best hope is for him to be a project and eventually grow into that star we want him to be. Bottom line is I'm not completely sold on the Oden hype machine anymore and that whole "next great big man" and "Future HOFer" thing. I was hoping he would be greater than Dwight Howard, now I just feel like he will be an injured Mutombo 2.0. I really don't know what to think about him anymore. All these scouts can't all be wrong about this guy, can they?
Who knows. Maybe I'm clearly overreacting, but I'm starting to doubt him, as he's really done nothing that's made my jaw drop yet. The closest thing that there is was his championship game, which was impressive. But at this point I'm just hoping he can get back to that level after the surgery.
He's got all the tools to be great, I just hope he can put them all together and stay healthy.
I'd just like to hear some or your thoughts.
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You're Overreacting
He’ll be just fine…...summer league is dominated by guards. Always has been always will be…....and that’s a big reason for all his fouls during that time. It’s just how it is…...
Oden is gonna be a beast, book it.
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by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 9:57 AM PDT 0 recs
Yeah...
Oden only had about 4 shot attempts in his first Summer league game.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on
Apr 25, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
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Gotta say
I don’t think OdenRoyLMA is overreacting. I think his candor is refreshing. Look at his screen name. No one can say that he hasn’t drunk his share of the Oden koolaid. And after drinking the koolaid and riding sky high on the Oden bandwagon for a good stretch, he seems to have sobered up and taken a level-headed look at the evidence.
For starters, we have to acknowledge that Oden’s knee injury - coming out of the blue as it did, off the court, without any obvious cause - is extremely worrisome. It would be worrisome enough had it occurred as the result of a serious on-the-court collision or twisting fall. The fact that it happened in the course of routine movement is very alarming. The evidence here does seem to support the notion that Oden’s body is unusually fragile and injury prone.
Second, OdenRoyLMA rightly directs our attention to the rawness of Oden’s offensive game. OdenRoyLMA is correct: Oden looks goofy and uncomfortable on offense. Before the draft the main criticism of Oden was that his offensive moves are primitive and easily anticipated. Nothing we saw in Summer League dispelled this criticism.
Third, even Oden’s defensive talents were put in question by his Summer League performance. All those fouls should have made even the staunchest Oden-supporter cringe. We can’t just say, “Well, Summer League is dominated by guards.” And we can’t blame it on his tonsils either. At some point we have to acknowledge that there are strong reasons to question the hype about Oden, on the offensive AND the defensive ends of the court.
There is no question that Oden is unbelievably athletic for someone his size. His size and athleticism are enough to warrant a great deal of enthusiasm about his future as an NBA player. Nevertheless, his injuries and the rawness of his offensive game provide serious reasons to doubt. I think that is what OdenRoyLMA is trying to point out.
Nature bats last.
by fisheyes on
Apr 25, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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Of Course
Then you have his entire high school and college performance, the fact that he came back from a serious surgery already, the fact that he played with the broken wrist. You could also look at how he’s doing now. How’s his conditioning? Looks pretty good by all accounts.
I’m no scout, but the factors you easily dismiss seem pretty compelling. It’s hard to guard someone that’s faster than you. Guards are generally faster than centers. It’s easier to foul someone that’s harder to guard. The logic flows like a river from there.
I’ve had tonsilitis. I take it as a positive sign that he didn’t whine and use this as an excuse. Breathing hard with a sore throat sucks and is incredibly distracting. Tonsilitis is much wors than simply a sore throat. It hurts to drink and eat. If you’re active, this is going to be especially trying. Dismissing the tonsils as not a valid excuse for poor summer play is absolutely wrong. I never make excuses, but it’s going to take much more bias to dismiss that excuse than to accept it. In this one respect, you’re certainly looking through skewed lenses.
That said, Oden may turn out to be a bust. Ignoring one side of evidence is bad, but saying not to ignore evidence and then ignoring the other side is also poor analysis. No offense intended of course, as I’m sure you’re much smarter BBall wise, and otherwise.
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by hobobob on
Apr 25, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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Oh please
Once in a blue moon I might have a good idea. But if you want BBall smarts you’d do better listening to our other friends on this site.
Nature bats last.
by fisheyes on
Apr 25, 2008 7:39 PM PDT
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Just try to not dwell on it
Oden will be Oden, for better or worse, so don’t worry too much.
Maybe because I don’t live in Portland anymore, but I don’t sense the same worry about Oden amongst Blazer fans… as far as I can tell, we all agree he is gonna be awesome. I doubt Mo Lucas, Nate, Roy, LMA, Blake, everyone who has talked about how Oden looks would say big things like ‘future HOFer’ if he wasn’t very impressive.
I thought he has looked better than people expected on offense in college, and fine in summer league. He’s got a soft touch (a soft touch is what seperates Dwight Howard from Hakeem), extreme power that should remain, and he’s ultra super quick for a guard, let alone a center. For his rookie season I expect something better than Howard’s rookie year (double double, 30 mins a game, a few blocks, sweetness all around) but I won’t be disappointed with less. He’s coming off an injury, after all, and playing on a team with 2 good young scorers already.
Overall my friend, don’t worry. Oden is Oden for a reason. He was born to be one of the best centers ever. Just be glad we got him, LMA, and Roy, and just let next season happen without dwelling on the negative.
My dog (who can see the future) sez we’ll be very happy with our young trio, and she never lies, not even for a puppy cigar.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Apr 25, 2008 10:25 AM PDT 0 recs
Thanks for that....
That actually made me feel better. :)
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on
Apr 25, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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Too many rainy days?
I know it can seem like the sun will never return but,
the big man just turned 20. His is still just growing up.
Relax and enjoy the coming summer days. Once he steps back out on the court all of this will just disappear never to return.
The Oden Era, Day 310
by Heymoe on Apr 25, 2008 10:32 AM PDT 0 recs
don't overreact
Michael Jordan missed nearly his entire second season with a knee injury.
Nobody remembers it now, they only remember the championships.
With any luck, this will similarly be a small bump in the road.
by OregonDuckworth on Apr 25, 2008 11:09 AM PDT 0 recs
Not to be nit picky
but Jordan missed his second season with a broken foot, not a knee injury.
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by iDea on
Apr 25, 2008 11:21 AM PDT
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You have to view GO in context of his health
The poor guy broke his shooting hand in his senior year. He adjusted by shooting free-throws left-handed—and making them. He had to shoot field goals and grab rebounds with a bandaged shooting hand. And he still dominated games.
He scored 25 points and grabbed, what, 12 or 14 rebounds in the championship game against four future NBA players on the defending champion and best team in college basketball. Again, with a broken hand.
His doctors discovered during summer league that he was having difficulty breathing, so they removed his tonsils. Consider that as well when you review his college performances.
And of course he’s been derailed by knee surgery.
Now consider his skill test performances. They were off-the-chart for a center and better even than most smaller players. He’s tremendously strong, fast, and athletic. He’s smart, skilled, and unselfish.
The truth is that no one has seen the real GO yet, only glimpses. I’m convinced that when he recovers FULLY from knee surgery - which won’t be until the season after next - he will make everyone forget about Dwight Howard. He will eventually join the pantheon of the greatest centers and players ever to play the game. His name will be mentioned in the company of Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Jabbar, Walton, and Shaq.
--As long as he stays healthy.
by MiledAnimal on Apr 25, 2008 11:13 AM PDT 0 recs
And, like Kareem and Russell . . .
. . . and UNLIKE Wilt and Hakeem, Oden’s going to consistently have a great surrounding cast.
Being on a multi-threat team year-in and year-out cuts down on the wear and tear.
He’s lucky to be on Roy and LaMardridge’s team.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Apr 25, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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Like Frankie Goes To Hollywood...
Relax.
The man has not played a minute in the NBA. Summer league doesn’t count. Let’s reserve judgment for the time being.
Greg Oden is not a project. He will be a defensive presence from minute one. His athletic ability is ridiculous for his size. His character is off the charts for a player at his level. If he’s healthy… he’s a star.
by FeelTheLove on Apr 25, 2008 11:18 AM PDT 0 recs
How do you think his offensive game
will develop? Do you think he could be like Dwight Howard with better post moves?
I’ll admit, I have almost gross expectations for the kid. Like 25 points, 12-13 rebounds and 4 blocks per game. Not right away obviously, but in his prime.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on
Apr 25, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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I think you're spot on
Those numbers don’t seem unattainable to me…......
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by iDea on
Apr 25, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
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That'd be nice.
If he puts up numbers likethose he will be the greatest Blazer of all-time. Have about 5 rings as well.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on
Apr 25, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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Not if he's on a great team
He won’t score that much consistently, and he’ll get lots of bench time while the human victory cigars show their wares.
On an average team (no team with Oden will be a poor one), he could do 25/15/5 in his prime. He’s got that much potential.
His presence also has the potential to speed up the game considerably. His blocked shots and rebounding dominance can generate many fastbreak baskets. This has the effect of speeding the pace. His defensive dominance can give incentive for other teams to push the pace as well, so as to attack before our defense is set. Also, he will help us build leads, and teams with large deficits can’t slow the pace too much—they need more possessions to catch up. The result can be a much faster game, which obviously results in higher stats.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Apr 26, 2008 4:14 AM PDT
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When was the last time a consenus #1 pick and hyped to be the next great
big man, future hall of fame, not become a impact player? Hakeem, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Ewing, Shaq, and Oden belong in the same breath for expectations. If Oden doesn’t dominate, it means his injuries got the best of him.
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by blzrfan on Apr 25, 2008 11:28 AM PDT 0 recs
I still hope when it's all said and done
Oden can be mentioned in the same breath as those guys. Hopefully a top 10 center.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy=Dynasty. Believe
by OdenRoyLMA on
Apr 25, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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The Kandi-Man
If I recall correctly, there was a whole lot of hype around Olowokandi being the consenus #1 and being a great big man, and we all know how that turned out. (Granted there were more concerns about him than say Shaq, but still…)
by tingeyga on
Apr 25, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
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Kandi man
Wasn’t that highly regarded and went #1 more because his draft class was super barfy. Plus, he went to a small school so his numbers are inflated. I know you’re just saying #1 guys can be busts too, but guys like Kwame or Kandi are no where near as accomplished as Oden was coming into the draft. Oden’s stock was as high as Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Ewing, all coming into the draft and at that level there aren’t really any sure fure centers who busted… Walton would probably be the closest thing to a “bust”, because of his injuries, but he still won a title and a MVP award.
Kandi teaches us that just because there is no certain #1, don’t just take the center because ‘that is what you do’.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Apr 26, 2008 1:38 AM PDT
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Ralph Sampson 1983
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Apr 25, 2008 11:35 PM PDT
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I was too young to really see him back then...
But Sampson was a MONSTER at the beginning of his career, before he got hurt. I would not say he wasn’t an impact player, even after his injuries. And before them, he was great.
That is my recollection anyways.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Apr 26, 2008 1:40 AM PDT
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I wouldn't have called him a monster
but he was definitely an impact player, and showed the potential to be great.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Apr 26, 2008 4:15 AM PDT
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I admit
I am going off of old stats and the few clips I have seen of him.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sampsra01.html
He did average 21/11 as a dang rookie, and was 7’4”, played in all 82 games his first two seasons, most of his 3rd, and then was never the same. I always wondered about him as a kid collecting basketball cards, because when I started being aware of the Blazers and the NBA as a kid, Sampson was already a shadow of a shadow of his former self. I’d get his cards in a pack, and see his early career numbers, and just wonder what happened. He sure as hell started off like he was a monster, but I am going by numbers and was not aware enough to really know what I am talking about back then.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Apr 26, 2008 4:31 AM PDT
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Yeah
The thing is, at 7’4”, when most of the centers he was playing against were not of the highest quality, I wasn’t particularly impressed by his 11 rebounds. He had good offensive skills, and the height to make them effective. But you just never felt like he was dominating the game the way Hakeem or Kareem or Wilt or Russell or Walton did.
Guys weren’t afraid to drive the lane. You didn’t just give up on rebounds because you knew who was going to get it as soon as the shot went up. You didn’t release all four guys on the fast break immediately, because your guy owned the boards. You didn’t devise your entire defensive scheme to stop him getting the ball because he was going to devastate you if he did.
Nobody has all those impacts. He had none. He was a good player, but not dominant in any aspect of the game. I thought he was going to become a dominant scorer, but injuries put paid to that. I don’t think he would have ever become a dominant rebounder or defender.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
Apr 26, 2008 5:01 AM PDT
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My recollection is when they drafted Hakeem
Sampson’s game changed (he was a center in college and in 83-84). I see he did make the all-star game 84-87 (played in three). The point is about durability as much as anything in being the HOFer concerning Greg so Sampson is another to be concerning. It does seem that injuries that devastated careers 20 years ago are now routine recoveries so there is that factor as well to be encouraged over. Sampson’s hype seemed much more than Greg’s as the buzz was how would the league stop him. Hakeem was the answer except Houston won the flip and got him too! Then the buzz was with the two of them they could just hand them the trophy. So he had a ways to fall.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Apr 27, 2008 2:23 AM PDT
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This might be more about you than Oden
How long have you felt this way? Since you saw his first summer league game? Since they announced microfracture? If you were jazzed about his potential in the weeks following that then as far as I can tell there hasn’t been anything Oden’s done in the last several months to be worried about. All of the news during his rehab has been positive. Not one set back.
Everybody who has been around him when he was working out is impressed and the players are in awe when he’s on the court. I put more stock in that than I do media reports or writer’s opinions, and they’ve all been positive as well.
Now that’s not to say there’s no reason for concern and if your concerns are based on stuff that happened between his getting drafted and the surgery then that’s fine. But if it’s only come on the last few weeks then I’m guessing it’s more the rain and crappy weather or the economy or the war or the freakin’ election or some such thing.
Cheer up. Oden’s going to be a good thing.
by LaughingJon on Apr 25, 2008 11:43 AM PDT 0 recs
I still think...
Oden will be Dwight Howard-esque. I don’t think Oden will reach the level of Hakeem or Bill Russell, but I still think he’ll be a man-child. Not right away though- a year or 2 down the road.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Apr 25, 2008 11:57 AM PDT 0 recs
I agree. People easily forget just how amazing Hakeem was. I think most of us would
be thrilled if Oden ends up even being in the same conversation as Howard.
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by oderiferous emanations 74 on
Apr 26, 2008 12:55 AM PDT
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I think he'll
give us a half dozen good years out of ten, and fade due to injuries like Walton. I don’t see him staying healthy for an entire season, much less several in a row.
by Farty MacFartson on Apr 25, 2008 12:04 PM PDT 0 recs
ooo
that brought me down.
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by JTDuck22 on
Apr 25, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
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Walton's "injuries"
were more head games than anything. Oden doesn’t seem to have the fragile ego that Walton had.
by jamon51 on
Apr 25, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
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He'll be great
By all accounts, he dominated at 24 Hour Fitness.
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by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 12:10 PM PDT 0 recs
I think you should be worried
that way you won’t be surprised if he’s hurt forever, and he does seem to get hurt a lot. If he’s healthy I think he’s somewhere in between shaq and robinson. Forget Olajuwon, that guy was a freak. I’m hoping Oden will be fine, but that doesn’t seem to be the way our luck goes.
by begottenson on Apr 25, 2008 12:15 PM PDT 0 recs
Well, there's this:
You hope he’ll be “the best center in the NBA 5 years from now.”
If so, he may have to share that claim with at least Dwight Howard.
Too bad they’ll only play each other twice a year, save for a finals matchup (VERY possible).
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on Apr 25, 2008 12:21 PM PDT 0 recs
Talent will prevail
Oden will start off slowly, fouling out and being limited offensively. But he and Pryz will be a nice combination at the center position, giving the team good rebounding, blocked shots, and overall defense. By mid-year Oden will be a good offensive contributor. Considering the state of the center position in the league, Oden has a chance to be a top 5 center by the end of his first year. Since none of his health issues are related, I don’t think there is any reason to believe that Oden is going to be another Walton. I think he will rival Howard, and posseses the potential to be the best center in the league for many years.
by Spencer on Apr 25, 2008 12:27 PM PDT 0 recs
Oden
I see your concerns, I just don’t share them.
Oden will dominate this league inside of 3 years. Even Howard doesn’t match what Oden can bring physically.
Oden will avg a double double next year, something around 15/12 with 2+blocks, and he will NOT foul out of more than 2 games. The whole foul problem issue is way over blown. Summer league and NCAA refs are even worse that normal NBA refs, accept they don’t give star fouls because there are no stars playing. Plus he was playing tired in both games as he could not breath, when you are tired, you foul alot because you stop moving your feet.
Oden will win the ROY award next year, and will dominate the Rookie/Soph game at the All-star break, he also has an outside chance of making the team even in the west, (that is if he comes on really strong in the 1st half and blows everyone way, which is a possibility).
He will make the All-star team ahead of Yao in his 3rd season as the starting center, because A) he will be better than Yao, and B) with his personality he will become just as popular if not more so, than Shaq during his prime years in LA. The Blazers will be on National TV so much in the coming years, that the entire US will want to see this guy play. Avgs of 20+ pts, 12+ rebs, 3+blocks and at least 2 “holy cow who did he do that” plays per game, are guarenteed by his 3rd year barring injury, (which brings up the injury issue). He will not be injury prone for his career, and will play 12+ seasons with the Blazers and win at least 1 if not 3+ championships for the City of Portland. He will retire with the Blazers and he will own this city until the day he sadly passes on.
You can book it.
by usmcr3049 on Apr 25, 2008 1:40 PM PDT 0 recs
I agree with everything... EXCEPT
As long as all of China’s 80 billion residents can vote for the Allstar starters, it’ll be very tough for anyone to beat out Yao for starting center.
Otherwise all of your predictions will come true, because Oden will be amazing. I think he’ll definitely have a Shaq-level of popularity, but China has like 1.8 billion people or something crazy (I think someone miscounted though). Silly Eazy Yi on the Bucks had more write in votes than guys on the ballot like Baron Davis had…
Luckily, I don’t give a ding dang damn about Oden being voted in as a starter (he’ll be a reserve for forever and a day at least), because I know he’ll be an NBA icon in a very short amount of time. We are so damn lucky to have gotten him, I’m tellin’ ya!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Apr 25, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
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If not for winning the coin flip with Minnesota last year...
...we wouldn’t have gotten him.
Perhaps this was karma from the coin-flip in 1984 that cost us the chance to get Olajuwon?
Or maybe somebody just finally remembered that you ALWAYS call “heads”.
Wherever you go, there you are.
by Majikj0n on
Apr 25, 2008 2:09 PM PDT
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Word
That coin flip changed this entire season, and the course of at least 3 franchises. Minny decides to blow it up and finally trade KG, the Celtics trade all of their so-so youngins for Allstar talent to win now, and a already promising young roster in Portland gets even better and is set for the next decade. All on a coin flip!
Plus, we wouldn’t have been in the position to get a coin flip if we didn’t win that one game against the Sonics, and actually try to win other games towards the end of the season, unlike the bad-karma-attracting tankapalooza happening in Everywhereelsesylvania, USA.
A lot of lucky things had to come together for us to get the right number combo to get our Odie-boy. It t’were fate, it t’was.
Even though I think they are flat out wrong, those of us who worry that Oden won’t be “all that” (as the kids say) don’t bother me because I envy their resplendentosity they’ll feel once they see Oden microfracture everyone’s BRAINS with how good he is.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Apr 25, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
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Yeah, but as a follow-up . . .
. . . if the TimberPuppies had gotten Oden, how would they have handled him?
Would they have had the observation skills to pick up on his injury?
More to the point, would they have noticed its severity AND had the patience
(as a struggling team with KG nearing the end of his prime – that’s a win-now mentality they had)
to make the call to go with the microfracture and shelve him for the season?
The combination of analysis and patience allowed us to apply the necessary remedy,
even though it delayed his introduction by a full season.
I don’t see any other lottery team (certainly not Minny) doing that.
In their hands, it’s real easy to see him playing hurt and never fully recovering.
In other words, at Minny, he probably would have become the next Sam Bowie!
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Apr 25, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
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No doubt
This current version of the the Blazer org is not into overly-hyping things. Don’t get me wrong they do hype quite a bit, but KP tends to play things close to the vest unless he’s sure of something. I trust them (Blazers) when they say that Oden’s on, or ahead, of schedule in his recovery. This year he has apparently also done a lot of work in strenghthing his body which will help prevent further injury.
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
by JAB21 on
Apr 25, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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How is Oden going to win ROY when Rudy is going to be everything advertised?
Maybe co-ROY to go along with our championship? I’d take that. Almost every day of the week, except the third Thursday in August, when I expect even more.
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by T Darkstar on
Apr 25, 2008 3:02 PM PDT
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I've had my moments of doubt
That’s natural. Like you said, GO had a crummy summer league, then he got hurt before he played an NBA game. But I’m 99% certain Oden’s going to be great.
First, concerning that knee injury: if I bought the story that “it happened in the course of routine movement,” as fisheyes put it, then I WOULD be alarmed. Indeed, that would “seem to support the notion that Oden’s body is unusually fragile and injury prone.” But I don’t buy that story for a minute. 19-year-old athletes in peak condition with “pristine knees” (as revealed by MRI) who have played basketball all their lives without incident don’t tear articular cartilage 1) getting up from a couch; 2) playing Dance Dance Revolution, or whatever. I’m convinced that Oden hurt himself doing something dumb which he never fessed up to the Blazers or anyone else about. No biggie: what 19-year-old hasn’t done something dumb? My stepson got 2nd degree burns trying to jump over a bonfire on a bet (after consuming a 6-pack). Presumably, Greg learned his lesson and won’t repeat the risky behavior.
As for the rawness of GO’s game, the other night I reviewed the Blazers/Mavs summer league game on my DVR. Despite his obvious fatigue, Greg displayed amazing speed and timing at the defensive end. He did rack up a bunch of fouls (as he had in his debut), but this time around several of the calls were questionable. It seemed clear that GO would mainly need to adjust to the quirks of NBA officiating. Greg’s a bright guy, and after spending a year watching his team from the sidelines, I think he’ll make that adjustment more quickly than most 20-year-old rookies.
Speaking of Oden’s age: you should keep in mind that as undeveloped as his offensive game is, it’s probably no more so than Patrick Ewing’s, Hakeem’s, or many other bigs were at the same age. What’s important is that Oden has the physical tools-exceptional speed, coordination, hands, etc.-to allow him to develop offensively. He also is nearly ambidextrous, which bodes very well for his ability to score in the paint.
Will Oden be a “project”? No doubt. Again, he’s just 20 years old, and 7-footers generally take longer to develop than other players. But I’d label Greg Oden a “can’t-miss project.” Barring serious injury, he should be dominant at the defensive end within a year, and at the offensive end by Year 3 or 4.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Apr 25, 2008 3:12 PM PDT 0 recs
just how hard he works
tells me he will get over this and be great
by raging WebTed on Apr 25, 2008 3:59 PM PDT 0 recs
What boggles my mind is that Oden is barely 20
and it’s possible he could grow another inch or two. Good grief.
"Oh my, there go the game!" Travis Outlaw
by annthefan on Apr 25, 2008 6:24 PM PDT 0 recs
Oh. Hey. Good point.
When WAS his last official height measurement taken, anyhoo?
And when’s the next one?
Seems to me like it’s in the Blazers’ best interest to minimize his verticality.
If I’m them, I don’t release nuffin more recent than his draft workout numbers, unless the league requires elsewise.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
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Mike Barrett writes two days ago
that Greg is with Jay Jensen in Hawaii biking the islands! And Coach Nate apparently skipped the trip to Spain to join them in Hawaii. Tom in Hawaii – be on the lookout for a 7-1 giant on a bicycle!
I am not worried about Greg. KP has more than earned that trust. He sees everything and remains confident in Greg’s development and even likely dominance. So get back in the hot tub and soak your cares away!
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Apr 25, 2008 11:43 PM PDT 0 recs
I Worry Too
I wrote a diary or fanpost a while back about the playoffs and how exciting it must be for Philadelphia, and most replies were, “Cuss word the playoffs, we’re going to be in the playoffs for the next ten years!” The last time I saw that much arrogance, it was from Patriot fans.
I think too much BErrogance can cancel out good karma.
Maneki Neko
by tominhawaii on Apr 27, 2008 4:02 PM PDT 0 recs
Your FACE cancels out good karma
I remember that fandiarypost.
Philly is exciting, especially since they’re playing well against a team that could win the championship and few would be surprised. The only thing is, you can’t say “ooh they is awesome I wish we were them” to a hardcore group of Blazer fans sitting on the precipice of 12 years of Oden/LMA/Roy and expect most to agree. We had a better record then them in a much, much, much harder conference, have better players at every position except PG, we’re younger, better coached, etc. The Playoffs are awesome, and while I’ve been too busy to really watch them this year like I normally do, I miss them more than ever because I know we’re already good enough for that. I am jealous of the Hawks and 76ers because of that.
But would I want my Blazers to be in their position? Heck no! Hump that noise and kick it out the door with busfare, it isn’t worth it. The Hawks have more talent and a better chance of being a good team for more than a few years, and even they aren’t any good. The 76ers are total pyrite right now, fools gold m’man. They are fun and nice and a product of a weak bootied East, not a team really on the rise. THAT is why I wouldn’t switch situations with them. I’d rather be good a long time with a CHANCE at the title, than squeak into the playoffs and be a heartwarming story of a large city with traditionally bad management actually making the playoffs. Bugger that, mate!
I know what you mean about fans being boastful, but I think that can go with the territory, or because we’re in friendly waters here. Plus, it could be compensation with how bad we’ve been the last few years. I know during the 13 game win streak that was the case, with so many fans writing sports writers and commenting on message boards about “getting respekt” and all that junk.
I might write that we’re the best team ever in the history of the world on ‘da ‘Bedge, but I wouldn’t write that on, say, Blog a Bull
Most have reasonable expectations, and while of course many don’t, I hope overall as a fanbase we stay humble and “polite” about being better than other teams. I remember last season we were playing the Cavs, and some random message board was talking about the game and a Cavs fan was making fun of the Jail Blazers and how awesome the Cavs were—in general, being a vain braggart in regards to a team that is traditionally one of the most mediocre franchises around, and will continue to be so after Lebron leaves. I hate fans like that, who don’t remember fortunes change overnight in sports and act like uppity jerks who are the reason their team is so rad.
Last season, we improved, and most were guardedly optimistic around here. Now though, after a 41 win season, Roy and LMA’s improvements, Oden and Rudy coming, it is safe to say we are, at worst, a playoff team and hopefully a Contender. You can’t say the same for Philly, or even the Hawks. Yeah, they got the playoffs today, but I can live with missing it this year because we’ll be so good. True, nothing is guaranteed, but I guess I’m not as infatuated with first round knock outs. I like to think we have higher standards in Portland, just like Brandon Roy said himself. We’ve made the playoffs most of our lives around here, and challenge for the title often. Just going for a playoff team is boring, and better left to the Hawks and T-Wolves of the world. We going for the GOLD, Tom boy! UNSTOPPABLE, BABY!!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
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I go away for three days and Oden's stock has fallen.
Part of the problem is the “Hall of Fame” and championship talk. Believe me, it is what every fan wants for their team but you have to place your expectations and excitement on the potential of this team and not the end result…at least for now. Be excited about the possibilities because the sky is the limit but stay grounded and realize that he and the Blazers may not reach that potential for a variety of reasons. Basketball still does exist within the arena of life and last time I checked, the future is anything but guaranteed.
You may also be suffering from an emotional let down from the season ending. If you spent as much time as I did watching games and dreaming about the future, it may take some time to adjust to not being able to watch games while dreaming. Oden still has the same potential he had a couple of weeks ago but we still have to wait and see what the future holds.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Apr 27, 2008 5:59 PM PDT 0 recs
I think lots of stocks have fallen in those three days
Don’t go anywhere again.
Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo
by jscot on
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Warning
I will be going on vacation again in September. I will remind you again before I leave.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
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