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Who Matters?

As we progress into an off-season that’s likely to serve historically as the demarcation between eras for the franchise (though being in the midst of it we know the evolution has been more gradual) it’s time to look at one of the changes in thought process that we’ll be making as a fan base, namely our assessment of who really matters on the team.

While we certainly value some players over others, in the era we are exiting we have been prone to credit most everybody on the team as important in some way.  Three factors contribute to that assessment, one cultural, one local, and one situational.

The Culture:  The quintessential American sports story is Rudy, meaning the movie, not the Euro-guard.  We tend to root for the underdog, the surprising guy who carries the day.  Obviously you can’t tell that story about the #1 overall pick, so we get more excited about the bench warmer who puts up a surprising 15 point performance over the starter who averages 18 per game.

The Local Scene:  Portlanders are generally nice and have a real soft spot in their heart for Blazers.  It doesn’t feel right to discount any of them.  It does feel right to look on the bright side of each one whether they're a starter or the 13th man.

The Situation:  When you’re a bad team every player matters because none of them are really excelling and you’re weighing future potential more than present reality.  The most important guys on your team aren’t the second and third offensive options who are losing you 50 games a season.  They’re the rookies and guys stashed overseas who might come in and dazzle someday.  This is how you get through the hard times as a fan.

While this way of thinking creates good stories and threads of hope for bad teams, it doesn’t reflect the reality of good ones.  Since we’re hopefully becoming a good one soon, at the risk of offending our delicate, passionate sensibilities, we should probably examine how it really works.

There are four tiers of players on a good NBA team.  They rank like this:

Tier One:  These are the 1-3 players (max!) who form the core of your team.  This is your Dwyane Wade in Miami, your Kobe and Pau in L.A., your Big Three in Boston.  There is a huge, unbreakable line right under this tier to differentiate it from all of the others, as they don’t even compare.  They shouldn’t even be on the same page.  It’s not equal.  If you have these guys you’re in it.  Without them you’re toast.  The 1977 Portland Trailblazers are widely held up as one of the great examples of team play and egalitarianism.  Their Tier One players were Bill Walton and Maurice Lucas.  In ’77 they both played and the result was a World Championship.  Late in ’78 Walton goes down with his foot injury and we’re first-round fodder for the Sonics.  Same team, great record coming in…without Walton, no chance.  That explains your Tier One player and his relationship to the team perfectly.

Tier Two (Optional):  If you only have 1 or 2 Tier One guys your team will often have supporting stars to fill out those top 2-3 spots.  These are the Shawn Marions of the world.  They aren’t carrying the team on their own but those Tier One guys aren’t going to score all the team’s points themselves.  They need an 18-20 ppg guy here or there.  On a few teams, like the current incarnation of the Celtics, this second tier doesn’t even exist though.  You can’t just be the next best player after the superstar.  You actually have to have game.

Tier Three:  These are usually the rest of your starters after Tiers One and Two and often your 6th man.  (Though some teams have their star guys be the 6th man…c.f. San Antonio.)  They’re good players.  They’re important to the club and you suffer when they’re out for long stretches.  They’re going to win a few games for you either by busting out every now and then or supporting the stars so well.  Your good team tends to turn average really quickly if you don’t have the right guys in these positions.  But they’re not the guys opposing teams circle on the scouting report.

Tier Four:  These are your 7th and 8th…sometimes if you’re deep your 9th or (rarely!) even 10th man.  They’re usually able veterans or up-and-coming firebrands.  Most nights they just fill in minutes to get the starters rest.  But you’ll have 2-3 games a season where you go, “Without that guy tonight we wouldn’t have won.”  2-3 games out of 82 seems infrequent, but those may be the 2-3 games that give you prime playoff seeding or homecourt.

Beyond that, my friends, nobody else matters…not on a good team.  What?!?  Gasp!  Horrors!  But it’s true.  Unless or until one of the other guys advances far enough to knock somebody else out of one of these tiers--probably in the third one at least if he’s supposed to be developing--they barely count.  Take Joel Freeland and transplant him to the Spurs right now.  Do you think anyone would blink an eye?  Would the fan base get all excited and be penciling him in for a significant role?  They probably wouldn’t notice or care.  Why?  Because they’ve got real players, not potential players, and until you become a real player you don’t have a lot of impact on a good team.

This puts some perspective on the player evaluations and the possibility of trades or moves.  We don’t have a 15-man team or even an 8-man rotation at this point.  We have Roy, Aldridge, and Oden.  Nothing else is set in stone.  It’s more like freshly-mixed Jell-o.  Putting a ton of importance on anyone else at this point is premature, especially when we haven’t seen exactly how Oden will affect the game.  Everything else is going to revolve around supporting the Big Three.  Whichever guys end up doing that with the most consistency and with the best production will be the guys wearing our uniforms 2-3 years from now.  Those will be the guys who matter.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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What I took from this is that since we have our big 3, we don’t need an all star point guard.

I still think we should wait a year before we trade away some of our assets that are still developing. Specifically Channing and Martell. I don’t doubt that some of the players we love will get moved. Just imagine if we trade Channing and then Oden turns out to be a bust. For me, there are to many unknown variables to move any of the young guys, until I see Oden play a full season.

Lose weight now, don't ask me how.

by tominhawaii on Apr 24, 2008 1:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I don’t think Oden will be a bust, but I do think waiting is better than blowing up the team this summer. I think the Blazers are in a great postition because while expectations are growing they still are not so high that big risks are required to get the results they are expected to reach.
Adding Oden (Rudy maybe if he comes) and the growth of our current roster is going to make us competitive with Dallas, Denver, Golden State level teams from this year.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 24, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Yeah

I don’t think GO will be a bust either. I’m just not counting his eggs yet; they still might be in KP’s ovaries.

Maneki Neko

by tominhawaii on Apr 26, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good reminder

for fans that we mustn’t wish for a star at every position ; it just doesn’t work out.

I agree with TIH that waiting to see how these guys play together is the best option. After watching our top three play together game after game we’ll know what we need most at PG – speed, D, or consistency … and maybe we’ll find that Stevie Sergiack meets our needs just fine. Will we find that Travis can play SF with Channing at PF and Joel at center? Will Martell start? Will Rudy fit in? Gotta play ‘em to see.

KP says he likes our roster and I hope that means he’s not going to make trades that result in only marginal upgrades. I’d rather he concentrate on evaluating the young talent that will fill in at the lower tiers as time goes on. No trades just cuz it can be done.

Which brings up an OT tangent. Today’s You be the GM is a vote on Von Wafer. I can’t vote. How can one honestly say you want him gone? He hasn’t played and I haven’t heard anything about him not fitting in and they need to get him out? We have to have guys to hold down the bench – those Tier 4 guys. Wafer may be the perfect Tier 4. I know he wants to play – you shouldn’t be in the NBA if don’t – but he hasn’t publicly griped about his minutes. I noticed that earlier the fans voted Raef off … hey, he’s another perfect Tier 5. Past his prime, but ready to contribute if you need him. Get rid of him and add a promising new rookie center who is itching to play … and have another Sergio situation? Unh uh, keep Raef.

"If man could be crossed with a cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." - Mark Twain.

by jorga on Apr 24, 2008 8:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me

I’m not sure why it took you so long to answer the question in your title. I did it in one word. I’m the one Who Matters.

Good analysis. Brandon is Tier One. Is LMA Tier One or Two? Is Oden One, Two, or Three? I think he’s going to be Tier One. I think LMA is Tier Two right now, but may be Tier One.

Rudy might be Tier Two, but I’ll be very happy if he’s Tier Three. Travis is arguably Tier Three. Joel has been Tier Three this year, but could be relegated to Tier Four next year.

Martell? Perhaps Tier Four now, but has the potential to be Three, maybe even Two.

Steve? Tier Three this year. Without him, we’d have been hurting big time. But he’s perhaps really only good enough to be Tier Four.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 24, 2008 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your certifiable (not in a mean way, I am just being dramatic)

to say that LMA is not tier one. Maybe not league wide tier one (and that is probably what you are saying) but for this team if you consider his growth this year and youth and talent and potential he is going to be a top tier player for the next 8 years. If I were fatty I would say “Book it!” but I’m not so I say IMO.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 24, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are probably right

but you’re arguing on potential.

I said he’s Tier Two now. You’re looking at the future. I think he already is pretty close to Tier One right now.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 25, 2008 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I forgot to add

If that’s all the evidence you can come up with for calling me certifiable, that’s pretty sad. Most people can find a lot more proof than that.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 25, 2008 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've certified myself many a time.

You can too!

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Apr 25, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, it was for drama

I expect to find more reasons here soon as I keep reading. I am going to approach your posts now with the idea that “enmity is good.” I read that somewhere recently.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 27, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics

I like the idea of tiers. They can be particularly helpful when evaluating a team’s personnel. However, I do disagree with the examples you gave concerning the Celtics. I’d argue that Pierce and KG are in tier one, while Ray Allen has slipped to tier 2. Meanwhile, Rajon Rondo is a lot closer to tier 2 than it would seem, even after one takes into account my incredible bias.

Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?

by Jim Weeks on Apr 24, 2008 8:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So...

What do we have to give you to get Rondo at our PG position?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 25, 2008 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to post the same thing

You could argue Rondo is as important (maybe more so) to the Celtics as Allen (who is obviously still important and a great player).

by matthewcc on Apr 25, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave, you've created a monster

From now on, fanposts and comments will be replete with comments like:

“So-and-so is a Tier 1.”

“No, he’s a Tier 2!”

“If he’s a Tier 2, then so-and-so is a Tier 3!”

“We need blank from Memphis, he’s only a Tier 3 there but he’d be a Tier 2 with us!”

“The Blazers don’t have enough Tier 2 players.”

“We could get a better mix of Tiers if we do a four-team trade…”

BARF! I’m already tiered of this. It’s tiering me to pieces and driving me to tears and we’re only one Dave post and six comments in. Seriously, this is ruining my day.

by MiledAnimal on Apr 24, 2008 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

The tiers are for illustration only. As Jim has pointed out, they’re kind of fluid anyway…hard to pin down. GM’s don’t actually sit around trying to put players into tiers like this either. I’m sure KP would find that kind of exercise silly to the point of being useless. The general idea was to show how people matter and that only a limited number do and can on any team at any given time. However had I tried to classify people by roles instead of tiers, which would probably be a more accurate way, we would have accomplished nothing as people would simply put the 13th and 14th players into roles right alongside the 2nd and 3rd guys.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 24, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but

I don’t disagree with you but it kind of goes against my grain as a fan. I’m not trying to be judgmental.

My formative years of fandom were when I was a kid – before free agency.

I rooted for the hapless Philadelphia Phillies and while I desperately wanted them to win, I wanted the Phillies to win. The Phillies – Johnny Calison, Richie Allen, Tony Gonzales Cookie Rojas…Those guys.

I wanted those guys to get better, catch fire, have a good year, avoid injury. They were my guys and I lived and mostly died with them.

Later after I graduated from Penn State in 72 it was the Pittsburgh Steelers, Bradshaw, Lambert, Harris, Ham…

The team wasn’t the logo on the front of the building staffed with a bunch of interchangeable partts, it was my guys.

So maybe, I’d rather root for Channing Frye to have a better year, than root for KP to trade Channing Frye for someone better….

Just sayin

by raoulduke on Apr 24, 2008 8:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Part of the glory of fandom is specifically rooting for the characters on your team as much as the superstars. The Blazers wouldn’t be the Blazers without guys like Herm Gilliam, Richard Anderson, and Alaa Abdelnaby. Nevertheless if you want to talk turkey the meat is pretty thin after you get down past the #8 guy or so.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 24, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I guess part of the point is we can’t be too surprised if and when KP has to make some pretty ruthless decisions with some of these guys, even if it’s with a Webster, Outlaw, or Sergio, for instance. Personally it KILLS me every time a Blazer gets traded…any Blazer. These are my guys. I even hated to see Dan Dickau and Fred Jones go. I want them all to be Blazers and us to just have a team of 300 I suppose. But that’s not the business. I guess I’m halfway psyching myself up for the next two summers when moves are not only probable, but a necessity.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 24, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's inevitable

but I can’t help thinking how long it’s been since I rooted for a team of guys I actually liked.

by raoulduke on Apr 24, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bringing...back...painful...memories...

We’re home now. We’re home now. Brandon Roy is our star. Brandon is our star! Greg Oden is a smart, good guy! Lamarcus Aldridge likes dogs and plays piano. OHHH WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING OUTSIDE THAT STRIP CLUB?!? What? Just passing by on your way to the hobby shop? Oh…OK. Sorry. We’re home now. We’re home now.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 24, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't help but think of a movie along those lines.

The best 300 men stand up for their home town….

Nah. I think I am just imagining things.

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary." - Patrick McManus

by T Darkstar on Apr 25, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paraphrase....

You’re right, Dave, but we hate you for saying it. Please let us blissfully pretend it isn’t so a little bit longer.

I know Channing might be traded, or even just renounced. I refuse to consider it. I will adamantly argue that this must not happen. I am an expert on all the reasons that it shouldn’t, and why KP won’t do that. I KNOW he won’t. He’s practically an all-star for us. Definitely Tier Two if we ever need him to be. Channing will not be traded. I have spoken, and it is so.

If Channing is traded, I will undoubtedly become one of the biggest supporters of the guy we traded him for, and say how glad I am we made the trade. When Channing becomes an all-star for some other team, and our guy is getting five minutes off the bench, I will still say it was the right move, because we needed this guy (whoever he is) to spell of LMA and be there in case of injury.

At the same time, I will argue that I am perfectly logical, always right, and anyone should be able to see the merits of my arguments. My team is going to be the best in the league, in fact, the best ever, when our guys improve, step up their game, and when the refs stop ripping us off.

We are the Blazers, and our current players will rule the world, unless KP foolishly trades them. Then, the players that he brilliantly traded for will rule the world.

I am a fan.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 25, 2008 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about this team is that it seems like such a unit. It is greater than the sum of it's parts. If part of the unit

is lost and something else is used to plug it will the unit still function as well? Will there still be that cohesion that is so illusive and rare in life, let alone in the NBA? I worry about that.

"Oh my, there go the game!" Travis Outlaw

by annthefan on Apr 25, 2008 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A minor addition that matters a little

Practice players matter even when they never play. Especially early in the season the results are dependent on really tough practices. With end-of-bench guys busting their tails to improve and to take away the slot ahead of them everyone wins.

Example is Kansas in College basketball this year. There are six guys with a chance to make an NBA team this year. Those guys have some really good talent behind them pushing them. Arthur was getting whipped by the freshman Aldrich every day and showed a considerable improvement though the year until he dominated Joey Dorsey in the finals. Aldrich improved as well and was the surprise for North Carolina that likely broke the game open. Practice players (no not you AI) matter a little.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Apr 25, 2008 10:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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