#13 Picks

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 8:13 AM PDT

Since 1994, here are the #13 picks in the lottery. Sure looks crappy, here's hoping we move up, or pull off a 1996. A quick glance this morning at the ESPN's Draft Machine has us selecting Danillo Gallinari from Italy. I know next to nothing about this guy. Is he any good?

07 Julian Wright - Jury's still out, but he's had a fairly lackluster year

06 Thabo Sefolosha - Improving and shows promise, but hardly a star

05 Sean May - Bleh

04 Sebastian Telfair - Bleh (but improved this season.....slightly)

03 Marcus Banks - Bleh

02 Marcus Haislip - Bleh (Not sure if he's still in the league)

01 Richard Jefferson - Baller

00 Courtney Alexander - Bleh

99 Corey Maggette - Baller

98 Keon Clark - Bleh

97 Derek Anderson - Double Bleh

96 Kobe Bryant - Baller (sleazebag, Bleh)

95 Corliss Williamson - Bleh

That makes 8 blehs (including one double bleh), 3 ballers, and 2 who are too young to tell, but show signs of joining the Bleh's. Not exactly a great slot. Of course if KP does his homework and evaluates talent like the past, we should be able to avoid the bleh's and select a sleeper who can play. Here's hoping.......

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Lest we forget...

...Everybody’s favorite #13 pick, Bassy, did get traded a couple years later for somebody pretty special.

Everybody always remembers we drafted Bowie ahead of Jordan.

Nobody ever remembers we traded Bowie for Buck Williams.

You never know how these things will work out long term.

Wherever you go, there you are.

by Majikj0n on Apr 22, 2008 8:28 AM PDT 0 recs

Trade is the way to go

Trade #13, Jack and second rounders to move up the draft and get Rose. Miami are well in the position to get him, so lets get a deal done.

by LMA on Apr 22, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

hmmm

it might take just a little bit more than a mid-rounder, 2nd rounder, and bench scrub to move into the top 2.

by matthewcc on Apr 22, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

Absolutely

To get Rose, we’d most likely have to give up LMA.

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

Hell no

Ok so Jack and a mid 1st and 2nd rounder probably wouldn’t land us Rose. But there is no way Rose is worth trading LMA. For all his upside, Rose is unproven in the NBA. From what we’ve seen in LMAs jump from NBA freshman to sophmore year, he can legitimately become the NBA’s premier PF in 3 years.

Rose is no Jason Kidd, CP3 or Steve Nash. At best he’ll be a Dwyane Wade combo guard type player.

by LMA on Apr 22, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

Agreed

I wouldn’t make that trade, just stating the obvious.

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up 0 recs

but it cost us less

to get Roy. But I guess he was at #6, who would have known he’d turn out to be the head the class… certainly not Boston.

by LMA on Apr 22, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah

We’re talking the number 1 or 2 pick. No one’s taking a pu pu platter for the top pick.

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up 0 recs

GREAT point.

As we found out in the LMA trade, you CAN move up to the top three—from not far below it.
Teams within the top seven or so can trade up or down a few spots if their targeted guy can fall a bit
(see also: Martell Webster), but nobody trades their top-three pick for anything NOT involving a spot just below.

EXCEPTION: A pick traded away much earlier, back when the team trading it
didn’t realize it was going to be valuable—remember Detroit with that #2 pick (wasted on Darko, of course)?
THAT’S what I wanna shoot for: Trading up to a high pick some future year. Takes guesswork.

But yeah: As far as moving up, one CAN get mid-lottery picks, as we did with Roy (#7).
The only reason for that is if the GM sees top-three talent being passed over by the top pickers.

Anyone wants to advocate trading up, they should forget the big names (ESPECIALLY Rose),
and think about the underrateds, the potential Roys of this year’s draft,
and aim to move up to the 5-9 range for that purpose—what teams in THAT range
might be willing to pass on their not-quite-top-of-the-heap pick for multiple bodies?

That’s the only move-up-THIS-YEAR thinking worth considering.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Apr 22, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up 0 recs

I don't get it.

Why is that the only move worth considering this year?

If Miami gets the top pick this year, they’re thin everywhere. They might consider acquiring the 13th pick along several good players, cap relief, and possibly a future pick in exchange for #1.

Minnesota might consider the same.

Memphis might consider the same.

The Clippers might consider the same.

The Knicks DEFINITELY might consider the same.

I think there are plenty of move-up-THIS-YEARS worth considering, one of which is moving up to #1 and picking Rose …

by bfan on Apr 22, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

It's possible.

It just usually doesn’t actually HAPPEN.

And, in hindsight, doesn’t every GM in the NBA kinda wish
they had traded for Miami’s 2008 first-round pick back in the 2006 off-season?
I mean, what was the going price on THAT piece back when they were the reigning champions,
but with a thin bench and a lot of aging players?
How much would they have valued some bodies back then,
and how LITTLE would they have valued that pick?
How easy would it have been for them to dismiss it as a non-lottery pick?

That #1 pick would’ve been VERY obtainable two years ago.
Damn hindsight.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Apr 22, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Our idiot GM Nash traded our #3 pick to reach for Webster at #6

John Nash was just terrible, just terrible.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Apr 22, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up 0 recs

chris paul is deffinitely a better player and probabely will always be but webster still has loads of potential and is going to be an integral part to a great team

by blackandwite323 on Apr 22, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

Right, right. My point being:

Even when an “idiot GM” trades down from a #3 pick, he doesn’t go down to #13;
he only goes down to a package crafted around #6.

THAT’S a typical trade-down-from-a-high-pick move.
Something like Memphis moving down to the Clippers’ spot, NOT OURS.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Apr 23, 2008 8:01 AM PDT up 0 recs

KP could do two moves

Trade the #13, a second rounder, and a player for a #6/7 pick, and then trade the #6/7 plus a player and money for a #2/3. Who knows?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Apr 23, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

Now we're talking

That double trade speak is the truth, get it done…...

by iDea on Apr 23, 2008 6:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

GALLINARI´S STATS

Italian League 2006/2007

Italian League 2007/2008

Euroleague 2007/2008

Best information in draftexpress

You own what you are.

by amlmart1 on Apr 22, 2008 9:14 AM PDT 0 recs

Thanks ami

He sounds good, but with sketchy athleticism, which in NBA speak, usually means bust. They mentioned that his high BBIQ and his ability to use angles and his lateral quickness to get around defenders and draw fouls make up for what he lacks in athleticism. I guess we’ll see…...

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

If no deals can be made...

Westbrook is our man. A lockdown defender at PG is what we need.

Rose will help both sides of the court but if we can’t get him, get Westbrook.

by LMA on Apr 22, 2008 9:48 AM PDT 0 recs

I touched on this before

Its not like there aren’t good players at the 13th pick, it just that your bust ratio is very high. At least ESPN’s trade machine doesn’t have us taking Chase Budinger anymore.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 22, 2008 10:29 AM PDT 0 recs

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Trade the pick, and a second-rounder or two, for future draft considerations.

An unprotected first-rounder in 2010 and the right to trade first-round picks in 2011, with a team short on bodies now,
someone lacking even a #13 pick (read: PLAYOFF TEAM) and likely to go south soon, like the Heat have done the past two years.

Who falls further sooner: The Suns, Pistons, Spurs, or Mavs?
Of those teams, it’s the Suns that most fit the need-bodies criterium.

Still, the basic idea is sound: Trade this pick, which is worthless to us and we don’t have PT for anyway,
for a pick in the future, when we’ll have better bodies but less of thwm, and more need for a young prospect with more upside than immediate promise.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Apr 22, 2008 10:47 AM PDT 0 recs

Agreed.......somewhat

If we cannot trade up and pick in the top 8, I totally agree, we trade for future picks or a package for a player we can use.

I really don’t see us the 13th pick playing on our team next season…...

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up 0 recs

Agreed too... somewhat

Unless his name is Westbrook, I really don’t see us using our 13th pick in next season’s roster. Not sure he’l stil be on the board at the 13th pick.

by LMA on Apr 22, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up 0 recs

I think you are right on...

However, I would expect to see the Blazers try and move up, based on nothing else other than KP’s draft day history. At this point in the teams growth, I think the next big move will involve a trade. Yes we will have some cap space in a few years, but that cap space can be equally utilized by a player we pick up in trade.

Do not be surprised if Portland makes a deal with either Houston or Milwaukee. Houston is once again going to get bounced out of the playoffs and I don’t think they are going to stand pat with their current roster. They have an abundance of point guards themselves. Also, Milwaukee has too much talent to be as bad as they were this year. Shoot, they couldn’t even make the Eastern Conference Playoffs with Redd, Williams, Bogut, Yi, and Villenufreakinwava. That is why their coach just got fired. They are a team in a bit of a transitional period themselves. I wonder if Mo Williams would be a good fit here. What kind of salary does he make? Could we trade Jack, and our #1 to get him? Throw in some cash with that maybe?

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Apr 22, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

Mo Williams was a second rounder, so that gives me some hope for our draft prospects. I don’t like his long contract and picking up a PG on a bad team (that should be good) seems like it could be the kiss of death. Maybe he has good stats because he’s only interested in having good stats?

Westbrook seems like a good bet. Even though he won’t be available at 13, he might be around at 10. I personally favor the shotgun aproach. Pick up as many young PG as possible who have potential and then see who pans out. That’s what we were trying to do this year with Jack, Steve, Sergio and Taurean.

We could draft Westbrook and Collison, trade Jack, and see what happens. Collison has some problems, but I think with his speed and 3 point ability he might end up surprising a lot of people. Remember a guy named Monte Ellis? Speed kills in the NBA and you can’t teach speed. Plus he would be a bargain late in the first round.

by Winchester on Apr 22, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

RealGM's Top Ten at 13/14

We’ll be picking at 1,2,3, 13, or 14. 1-3 happens if our combination is drawn; #14 could happen if the Warriors get lucky.

So, here—according to a RealGM columnist, are the top ten players in history taken at either spot:

http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1201/20080407/top_10_careers_of_players_picked_13th_and_14th/

Quick summary:
10: Jalen Rose (#13, 1994)
9: Herb Williams (#14, 1981)
8: Tree “Danny Ainge bit my ear” Rollins (#14, 1977)
7: Peka Stojakovic (#14, 1996)
6: Maurice Lucas (#14, 1974-Luke didn’t play for the NBA team that drafted him-the Bulls—opting instead for the ABA. Good for us. :)
5: Tim Hardaway (#14, 1989)
4: Hal Greer (#13, 1958)
3: Clyde Drexler (#14, 1983)
2: Karl Malone (#13, 1985)
1: Kobe Bryant (#13, 1996)

So yes, there is talent to be had at the #13/#14 spot.

by EngineerScotty on Apr 22, 2008 12:12 PM PDT 0 recs

Not as much anymore.

Kids can’t come out of high school anymore. Kobe would have been much higher if he had played a year in college.

by Winchester on Apr 22, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hmmm

There’s obviously a sliver of hope, but in my opinion, I believe that it’s because of all the great players drafted 13th or later.

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ricky Rubio

I hope Pritchard stays in the game for Mr. Rubio. If he’s spent any time watching tape of Rudy, he’s also spent time thinking about what Rubio could do down the road. He’ll be draft-eligable in the summer of ‘09. He’d be a great, final young player to add to this team before getting older via trade and free agency.

A trade of the 13 pick, all of our second rounders, and either Koponen or Freeland might be enough to garner a top 8 protected pick from a team on the way down (I’m thinking Sacramento, NJ, Washington, LAC, NYK, etc.). That said, finding a team that knows it’s on its way down and is willing to give up that type of pick could be really tricky.

by Samuelson on Apr 22, 2008 12:43 PM PDT 0 recs

I like Ricky too

but we should let him develop three more years in Spanish ACB.

You own what you are.

by amlmart1 on Apr 22, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

That's fine

But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s going to be drafted next summer. After that he’ll be off the table.

by Samuelson on Apr 22, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

I agree

I think Washington would make a good trading partner for a future draft pick. They will likely lose Jamison this year and maybe even Arenas. They may be at the bottom of the league for a few years.

by utblazer on Apr 22, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

Or the Clips

Brand and Maggette are free agents and we all know who they like to spend money.

by utblazer on Apr 22, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

Bleh?

With the exception of Courtney Alexander I would say all of those players are far from Bleh, but I guess I just expect a solid rotation player from the 13, which is what most of those guys are.

I have to say that the Williamson Bleh hurt the most as he was 6th man of the year and rolls the awesome nickname of big nasty.

Haislip is out of the league but is tearing it up in Europe and is getting paid well enough not to have to come back to America. Also, he was a HS kid when drafted.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Apr 22, 2008 5:59 PM PDT 0 recs

I'll give you

Corliss…...the only reason I gave him a bleh, is because he didn’t do it very long. He was decent….....

The rest, were not and are not that valuable of role players.

by iDea on Apr 22, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

c'mon

Ask the Charlotte Bobcats how valuable Sean May is to them. They are aching to get him back and healthy. Marcus Banks had some good burn with both the C’s and TWolves and managed to get near MLE from the Suns. That says something.

I get that portland fans hate of Bassy, but I still love his game and think he can still contribute; if you are giving the swiss mister a pass Bassy definitely gets one too. Keon Clark prefers smoking weed to balling or he might have continued his strong play that had teams knocking at his door to get him, and when Derek Anderson’s gums are healthy he aint to shabby especially when he was with the Spurs.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Apr 22, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

I don't know

That’s a lot of if’s and when’s. I also bet that if you asked Charlotte what they expected out of Sean May, it would have been more than he’s given. Banks is the guy that Phoenix immediately regretted after signing. He is a one man band locker room cancer who really isn’t good enough to be a one man band.

I don’t hate Bassy, I thought he was alright. He may turn into a baller, but at this point, he’s far from it. I’d say his short career has been a big disappointment, at least compared to what he and a lot of people expected out of the Coney Island Kid.

by iDea on Apr 23, 2008 6:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

Bassy

He is done as far as becoming a productive NBA player. That ship has sailed. He has become a shorter version of his cousin Stephon Marbury, which doesn’t cut it in today’s NBA.

by tingeyga on Apr 23, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

That ain't true

Bassy had a good year for Minny, and showed a lot of improvement.

It wasn’t an allstar year, but it was good for a still very young PG. He was hurt at the end of the season, and one game I watched Bassy spent some time with the Minny announcers. They seemed smitten with Telfair, and they all talked about hoping Bassy would be back with the T-Wolves next season (it is a contract year for the Bassinator).

He averaged a little over 9 points, 6 assists. Not Earth shattering, but encouraging.

This defense of Bassy should in no way be construed as an excuse for not taking Chris Paul, of course. That was very dumb of Johnny Nash.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 25, 2008 2:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Jeez

I can’t believe you’re defending the selection of Bassy over Chris Paul…...

by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up 0 recs

I don't know...

Banks, ughh (or bleh) and Alexander, sob, but I would be more than happy with the rest of these players.

Was Derek Anderson a valuable role player with the Spurs? Yes. Corliss did not do it very long? 12 years and 822 regular season games, plus 66 in the playoffs.

by Honka Playboy on Apr 23, 2008 7:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

Stash it overseas

Those always work out.

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 22, 2008 8:36 PM PDT 0 recs

Kosta Koufos

Maybe the Blazers need another big man. Koufos’ stock seems to be rising. Right now he’s projected to go at number 14 or 15.

Let’s be candid: Our prize rookie, Greg Oden, may not play very many games in the NBA. It would be nice to have another reliable big man to fill the paint on defense. Of course, then we would have to look elsewhere to solve our PG problem.

I’m not saying we should draft Koufos. Just one more option to consider. I’d stll rather try and move up to grab Westbrook or (with incredible luck) Rose. But Koufos is worth a look.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 22, 2008 10:08 PM PDT 0 recs

I like him

Koufos can play…....

by iDea on Apr 23, 2008 6:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

Also

Kosta could be convinced to play for a Euroleague team next season (he played for a Greece team over the summer), which could allow him to develop instead of rotting on the bench. Which would increase his value (ala Rudy) and the Blazers could package him for something good. I really think if he was open to playing in Europe KP should take a look at him. It would be like storing a lottery pick for later.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 24, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

This list is educational

I only take exception to the descriptions of Sean May, Julian Wright, and ol’ Corliss Williamson.

Wright had a decent rookie year, and is very athletic and fun to watch. He came into the league known for his passing ability and his athleticism, and so far I think he has lived up to that and was a very good pick at #13. He’ll probably be a pretty good player, especially if he gets anythin resembling a jumper.

Sean May has been sorta a fatty, and perhaps that has contributed to his constant injuries, but when he has played he has actually been really good. He isn’t athletic, is an aforementioned fatty, but he has great hands and a soft touch and can score really well for a young big. Charlotte could really have used him this past season, and a healthy and in shape Sean May might even have meant playoffs for that mercurial squadron.

Since KP is awesome, I think our chances of getting a non-bleh are very high… if we keep the dang pick after all. If you ask me, we’re gonna win this damn lottery and get every other fan super peeved and we can laugh and play while we draft Rose and gets our fingers sized for two fists of rings.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 25, 2008 2:39 AM PDT 0 recs

OK

At least I said with Julian Wright, the jury’s still out. I mean he’s a rook, I can afford him that much slack. BUT, his rookie year was fairly lackluster.

Sean May has been a disappointment in Charlotte and I’m pretty confident saying as much. I hear he just sprained his wrist tying his shoes…...

by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

He's been injury prone, true

But I don’t feel comfortable testing the interweb’s karma tracker by making fun of another team’s injury problems, when we have had plenty ourselves… and still have reason to worry about further injuries.

In a few years, once Oden/Roy/LMA have shown that their early injury problems were flukes, then I’ll be the first in line on ‘make fun of other injury prone players’ day. For now, I’m being a nice boy.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 25, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

No no no

I’m not making fun of their injury problems, don’t put that on me, hahaha….......

I just think Sean May’s average performance when he does play, coupled with the fact that he doesn’t play often, is equating to bleh status. He’s still fairly young in this league, so you never know. He does have soft hands…....

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 10:45 AM PDT 0 recs

Oops

This is suppose to be a response to Morti…...

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

His hands are so soft, so strong

He gives the greatest backrubs.

I’m super duper lazy right now, but I remember some Hollinger-esque per minutes thingy showing Sean May was doing good with his basketeering. His overall numbers are definitely bleh, and I don’t necessarily want a tubby boy on my own Blazer team (when KP picks up the phone when other GMs are calling, the first thing he says are NO FATTIES), but I remember something about a hint of a rumor, written on a cloud derived from the mists of legends saying Sean May was good when he actually played.

He just never plays because he is A: a tub of goo, and B: his knee was micro’d.

Anyways, the Bobcats picking May at #13 is a helluva lot better pick than Adam Morrison at #3 when Roy, Tyrus, and Gay were still on the board. We can all agree and hold hands on that issue.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 25, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

May doesn't suck

He’s just not that good compared to other NBA players.

I’ve always been a big believer in what Sir Charles has recently been saying, that all NBA players are good. If you’re in the league, you can ball. You just can’t always ball with the very, very best of them.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Apr 25, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up 0 recs