A Trade For Rose

by raging WebTed on Apr 19, 2008 5:42 PM PDT

Here is the trade that I could find that will bring Rose home to the rose city. And let's say Miami gets the# 2 pick, they would probably take Michael Beasley if they got #1. I think they could get more for the pick at than rose; they need about everything and might not want another dominant guard that can't shoot well. Assuming the team that gets #1 doesn't take him, here is the trade.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4562601

We do this because ....of Derrick Rose who is the best point guard prospect since CP3 & DW. We would be giving up Jack, who will be gone anyway and especially if Rudy comes over like it is hoped. It would be tough to get rid of Blake an Pryzbilla, but with Oden and Rose stepping into those positions all we would need are good backups. Which we would get for the most part. We would be a little shallow at the point behind Rose with Banks and Rodriguez, but Roy/Fernandez could give it a shot. With Fernandez we would have no problem backing up Roy, and if Webster can continue to develop into what we need at the three the departure of Outlaw won't be as bad. I don't really see Outlaw as being part of the long term future anyways. We would receive Haslem from Miami who could be a good backup behind Aldridge, and could be a decent rebounder, he average 10 points and 8 rebounds when they were good and won the championship. And Frye and Blount could back up Oden, especially if Frye continues to contribute.

Rose- Banks- Rodriguez
Roy- Fernandez- Hassell
Webster- Jones???
Aldridge- Haslem- Frye-
Oden- Frye- Blount

New Jersey would do this because they have fallen out of the playoffs in the uncompetitive East, and they defiantly need some change.
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/120780272842040.xml&coll=1
They would get Raef's expiring contract in order to rebuild, and I remember that they were interested in Outlaw during the Jason Kidd trade. New Jersey accepting this trade might be the only problem, but we could add money and picks.

Miami would do this trade because they are looking for more experience, and all around help. Jefferson, Blake and Pryzbilla would defiantly fill their needs. As I said before they would not want another dominant guard who cannot shoot the ball and whos game is very similar to Dwayne Wade

Miami would have a pretty killer lineup of:
Blake
Wade
Jefferson
Marion, ---- if he doesn't opt out
Pryzbilla

And we could throw in our # 13 pick, future picks, and our unlimited supply of money and second round picks where it is needed.

P.S. and the key to finding another trade that might work better is finding a good player who might be unhappy or in a bad situation, or a team that is in desperation mode: Memphis and the Pau Gasol trade.

And to wrap it up all of this only works only if Rose is good enough.

.. It is easier to find good backups than a starting point guard, especially if you are already a championship contender and can get those veterans who never were able to get aring.

Poll

Is this trade, or a trade of this magnitude worth it to get Rose???

Yes

16 votes

No

51 votes

I still think that Sergio is the next Steve Nash!!!!

8 votes

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I'll say it once again.

Any trade that involves Travis Outlaw is not going to happen. That guy is going to retire from the Trailblazers as a decrepit old man.

by annthefan on Apr 19, 2008 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

its preposterous

I agree with ATF, Travis Outlaw is forever red & black. Cant they block any further comments about trading Travis?

I fear change-- Garth

by bow4meow on Apr 19, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions

He is over rated

and will not get as many shots with Oden and Rudy coming in, and Webster improving, and if Frye can keep his good play up then there wont be enough minutes or shots for him to take.

by raging WebTed on Apr 19, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions

I agree with AnnTheFan

Actually I’m a fan of AnnThe Fan. I wanted that to be my screen name but it was too long.

I’m also a fan of Travis. I also tend to think that Martell is more expendable than Travis, though I would prefer to keep both. Travis is buddies with Roy, and Travis has intangibles that make him more valuable than what we could get in return for him.

I wouldn’t do this trade because it shakes up the team too much. I would prefer to make incremental changes. Trade no one except our scrubs. Try and move up a couple slots in the draft. Try and get Westbrook or maybe Love. That’s it. Keep Travis and Jack and Martell and Frye and the whole works except Sergio/LaFrentz/Wafer/McBob.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 6:52 PM PDT reply actions

Travis has intangibles?

Like what? Taking shots that will one day cause me to die from anxiety? Throwing down a dunk that gets the Rose Garden jumping twice a year? Putting on a kids basketball camp for local kids… in Mississippi!? Oh yes let’s keep Travis and those awesome intangibles.

I’m not saying he isn’t a decent player that hits very tough shots (90% of his shots are taken under duress and with his coach cringing), just that I don’t think he does anything that isn’t in the box score.

I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley

by Earl on Apr 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions

Why thank you Fishy! I am blushing. And pay no attention to Earl's comment below because he's a tangibles kind of guy.

by annthefan on Apr 19, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions

This trade really isn't good because it wipes out our bench

There goes our depth, and the ability to make a decent playoff run.

I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley

by Earl on Apr 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions

getting superstars

Rose, or whomever the Heat select with the #2 selection, will be a franchise centerpiece. Similarly, Jefferson is the centerpiece of the Nets. Outlaw could lead the league in intangibles for all I care, no way would either the Nets of Heat would do this, knowing that the Blazers are just trading away bench players. I mean, lets think about this from the Nets prospective. If you were the GM of the Nets, would you trade away one of your most reliable scorers for Outlaw and Lafrentz? You say they could have salary cap relief, but they won’t get anybody better than Jefferson through free agency. Trades are expensive. If I participate in this trade as a Heat or Nets representative, I begin by asking the Blazers about Roy, Oden, and LMA. Then, when I hear they are unavailable, my attention goes to Rudy. You want Rose? are you prepared to give up Rudy?

by dp8039 on Apr 19, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply actions

true..

but they also said that about the Gasol trade. this one might not work out that well but the key to getting rose or another good point guard could be finding a team and a player that are in a bad situation…. like those teams that dont have much youth and are sitting at the bottom of their confrence….even with the trio of kidd/Harris, Jefferson, and Carter they could not make it out of the east.

by raging WebTed on Apr 19, 2008 8:12 PM PDT reply actions

but

the gasol trade was like a one in a million thing. i mean, even other coaches were speaking out about it. i can’t imagine another situation like that again

and if the Nets were going to get rid of someone, it would be Carter. He’s the older player who’s been phoning it in. Jefferson is young enough that they can still build around him

by dp8039 on Apr 19, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions

a lot of people have wanted to trade outlaw

since last summer. if he played well they would say “trade him while his value is high” and if he had a bad game they’d say “trade him because he’s no good anyway.”

that’s their idee fixe: trade outlaw. what we might get in return ebbs and flows and changes and really doesn’t matter much in the end.

ignacio

by ignacio on Apr 19, 2008 8:38 PM PDT reply actions

Wise words.

by annthefan on Apr 19, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions

There is no way...

that KP is going to blow up this team with a trade like that just so that he can acquire Rose plus the other four guys mentioned.

Nope, not happening. No, No, No, Completely insane. Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t do it.

43:12 Min, 9-18 FG, 4-5 FT, +14 +/-, 4 Off, 16 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 1 Blk, 22 Pts - LMA vs LA 4-8-08

by LaMarvelous on Apr 19, 2008 9:21 PM PDT reply actions

Overall, I disagree with this trade.

HOWEVAH!—I agree with one simple thing:

Miami needs bodies—more of them, rather than better ones.

They have Dwayne FREAKING Wyayde, and Shawn Marion, but surround them with not just NBDL players, but AVERAGE NBDL-ers.
That makes them an ideal trading partner in a five-quarters-for-a-toonie type of trade.

I don’t really want their draft pick (they probably would keep it, high as it is), but I would be VERY interested in
trading our probably-#13-pick, one or two of our second-rounders, and ONE disposable player (JJ?) for, say,
a first-round pick in 2010 and Chris Quinn. Or the right to trade first-round picks in 2011. Or maybe Daequan Cook.

That’s a 4-for-two deal,where we give up JJ and most of our draft this year (we keep a single second-rounder), but remember:
Rudy and Oden are added next season.
And for those four players, we get Miami’s first-rounder two off-seasons away, and one other top dude of our (YOUR?) choosing.

Well? Any comment? Or do I gotta put it in its own diary?

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Apr 19, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions

Not Sure

There is no guaranty that they will suck for much longer. Remember they are in the East. So, I would stay away from betting that they won’t make the playoff next year. I like the idea of having a high draft pick next year, but trading a 13th pick for a next year pick has a very high chance of not working out how the Blazers would like. The whole point of trading for a future pick is that the future pick will be higher, like interest in a savings account. Rather, it would be much safer to draft some one, hold on to him for a year, play him only against bad team so he gets good stats, then trade him for a lottery pick.

Or even trade our 2nds for future firsts from western teams (and hope they don’t make the playoffs), then next year use them to trade up, along with who we drafted this year. That I think would accomplish the same thing while being much safer then betting Wade couldn’t lead the Heat to the playoffs next year.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Point Guard Trade

IF Memphis gets Rose Maybe Just maybe they would be willing To Trade Mike Conley Jr. If Jones does not opt. out we could use his expiring contract and send him and Jack to memphis for Conley and it also works if Jones don’t opt. out .I tried it it does Work.And then we could use our 1st round pick or trade it in another trade with Raef expiring contract. If K.P. felt the need to unload Raef contract.

by billyjoejack on Apr 19, 2008 9:37 PM PDT reply actions

Not impressed with Conley

Nah. The guy just doesn’t excite me. Just another garden variety young PG. Unproven. Not even any obvious great potential. Kinda small, not mercurial, not Aaron Brooks.

Get me Delonte West and now we’re talkin’. Or Aaron Brooks for that matter. Those guys have game a cut above. Can’t say that for Mr. Conley.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 10:49 PM PDT reply actions

Never going to happen

Has anyone else noted that with 12 players changing teams (and potentially the draft rights to a pick) that this would be one of the largest trades of all time?

http://www.nba.com/history/largest_trades_030819.html

Besides who is to say that the Blazers won’t get in the #1 or #2 pick straight up in the lottery anyways?

by tingeyga on Apr 20, 2008 12:08 AM PDT reply actions

Sneaky suspicion

Don’t know why but I just have this suspicion that KP is going to go after Rose hard. How hard? Well he’s not going to give up any of the Big Three. After them the two most valuable trading commodities are T-Law and Rudy, and as I’ve posted before, Rudy is expendable because we already have our two guard.

by TwoDeep on Apr 20, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions

I think Rudy could be difficult to trade.

There’s no guarantee that he will come over. Getting traded to a team he doesn’t like could make him decide to stay in Europe. So, he would have to be onboard with any trade for it to work. He could still be traded, but I think that limits the pool of potential trading partners to teams that Rudy likes.

by pualo on Apr 20, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions

Sergio & Rudy & 13th to Memphis who doesn't need another point

They can join Marc Gasol & Navarro in Memphis. Although if the Memphis Grizzlies don’t draft the Memphis Tigers star I would be surprised.

It can be done …... see Houston Texans passing on Vince Young.

by tweener on Apr 20, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Reset at PG

Nate has three guys at the point who have been in his system for at least two years. While one of them might be involved in a trade, I don’t think we give up the top two of those three for a prospect, even if his potential is high. Especially when that trade also includes two other players that have played key roles for the Blazers for multiple years.
Four rotation players for a prospect, Udonis, and garbage.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 20, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions

Whether or not the Nets or Heat

make that trade, I would take that trade in a heartbeat. Anytime you can not give up the four supposed centerpieces to your future (Fernandez included, Webster is not even though he would be staying under this proposal) for a can’t-miss prospect like Derrick Rose at point guard, you have to do it. No offense to everyone here, and I certainly admire the loyalty of us fans to the players for which we currently cheer, but for Derrick Rose (who I think will be better than Chris Paul and D-Will in the long run) that above is a small price to pay. Whether or not either the Heat or Nets accept, that’s another story.

by The Graduate on Apr 20, 2008 9:55 AM PDT reply actions

Rose

He better be better than Paul and Williams with everything you would be giving up. My point was not loyalty as much as experience in the system AND depth in the rotation for a prospect. If you give up that much, Rose better be a can’t miss all-star, not just a solid player.

If the Nets are interested in Jack still, why not make a push to give up a combo of Raef and Jack and other pieces to make the deal work (Webster, Jones, draft picks) to get Richard Jefferson for themselves? He would be a huge answer at the three, he is a proven all-star caliber player, Blake and Sergio can play the point and you don’t have to give up as much for an unproven player.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 20, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, the Nets

wouldn’t take that trade, nor would the Heat in my opinion. Richard Jefferson, assuming he can continue to stay healthy, is in fact an intriguing possibility at the three- it certainly is a thought.

If you are good enough, depth and experience come to you- take the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, etc. And yes, Rose will be that good… I promise you, quote me, lambast me, whatever. The guy will be phenomenal…

by The Graduate on Apr 20, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions

No WAY this trade happens

My reasoning isn’t terribly different from some of the people who’ve already commented: I think Pryz is about as untouchable as you get on the Blazers. Should something else happen to Oden, you need a reliable backup, and Joel is just that.

Secondly, Portland has an all-star in Roy, a potential all-star in Aldridge, a possible superstar in Oden… At point guard we need three things (in order of importance): Defense, passing, 3pt shooting. If you can add a little ability to get to the rim and dish or finish on occasion, all the better, but we don’t need a superstar PG to be successful. We just need a steady hand, good basketball IQ, and someone who doesn’t mind not being the primary scorer, or even the primary ball-handler. I think Blake already fits our needs, minus the ability to stop quicker point guards, so I say we keep him as starter for another year, trade Jack (I HATE saying that), and draft Westbrook.

by ChrisB803 on Apr 20, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions

i like westbrook too

but he cant shoot, but that might not be important if we have so many other shooters like web roy rudy blake jones frye outlawso somebody who could get to the rim might be good.

by raging WebTed on Apr 20, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions