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Roy's Backcourt Mate?.. A draft Strategy.

Over the past two months, there has been a lot of chatter on BE discussing who KP, Nate and Co. should go after to get that would be an upgrade for our starting point guard position.  It seems that the concensus is that we need to find a point guard who has great dribbling skills with low turnovers who can create their own shot, great to lock-down defender, and a reliable shot from 3-point range.  We also know that because of Brandon Roy's considerable skills with the ball in his hand and his ability to get his team mates involved that we do not necessarily need/want a prototypical point guard, especially if we have some combination of a Blake, Jack or Sergio on the roster too.

All 3 of our existing point guards are 6'3", so if we were to draft this year who was 5'11" it wouldn't be a huge match-up issue for our roster since we already have good sized guards.  Plus our SG slot is always going to be good sized with Roy (6'5") Rudy (6'6") or Martell (6'7").  So what are our options for B.Roy's front court running mate? 

OJ Mayo?  Eric Gordon?  DJ Augustin?  Jarryd Bayless?  Russell Westbrook?

One of those FIVE PROSPECTS is the best bet the Blazers have of adding another big-time talent to their pool of future stars.  So, it seems that KP is going to have to work his magic come draft day to manouver into Picks 3,4,5,6,7 or 8.  Obviously ower is better for Portland to get who they want, but getting any of these FIVE PROSPECTS would be a huge win for the organization. 

For Portland to move up from pick 13 (if that is where we land) we will be looking at throwing in Next Years First Round Pick, some combination of second rounders and potentially a Euro prospect (Koponnen) or two.  Also, we may have to move either Sergio or Jack to get it done... or worst cast, throw in another future draft pick...........

What ever IT is, I need you to tell me which lottery team might be most interested in helping us get into the part of the draft where we need to be with the bargaining chips we have in the paragraph above.  Who needs a SF that they can move down in the draft and still get at 13?  Who needs a BIG that they can move back and still get at 13?  Who doesn't need or want another rookie guard on their team?  And who is trying to rebuild for the future and wants/needs more draft picks?

Milwaukie?  NY Knicks?  Charolette?  Memphis?  LA Clippers?  Minnesota?  Chicago?  Indiana?  dare I say Oklahoma?

Well, I have checked these FIVE PROSPECTS out on the likes of ESPN.com, RealGM.com, NBAdraft.net, hoopshype.com, and draftexpress.com, and here are some blurbs about the GUARD power we can add to our future Blazers teams:  (starting with a flash back to Rudy's ESPN insider draft bio)...

Rudy Fernandez
Shooting Guard  | 6-6, 172 | Age: 23 (from ESPN.com draft files)

Positives: He really has it all -- athleticism, ballhandling, shooting touch (with NBA 3-point range) and active defense. He has the ability to play both the one and the two because of his excellent floor vision, increasing his value. He's got a great vertical and a long wingspan. Good lateral quickness. Excellent basketball IQ. Fearless. He takes it to the defense. Plays above the rim.

Negatives: Strength is the biggest issue. He looks very frail and needs to add a lot of muscle to his wiry frame. Average first step means he too often settles for jumpers. Not a great shooter off the dribble.

O.J. Mayo
Shooting Guard | 6-4, 195 | Age: 20 (from RealGM.com mock draft)

In an NBA in which very few players can create their own offense, Mayo will be elite (as long as he is not guarded by Russell Westbrook).

He creates separation off the dribble to generate space to get his jumper off, but what is more impressive and refined is his knack for preserving his dribble, squaring up in a triple-threat position with purpose and intent. He is able to back defenders up with jab steps, which sets things up for when he does put the ball on the floor, where he is highly imaginative, utilizing a wide array of moves to score.

Though shorter and slightly less athletic than both Jordan and Bryant, Mayo is headed for this type of individual career.

Despite a history of character issues, from every moment I've seen, his on-floor character appears impeccable. He plays the game in a very stoic yet passionate manner.

He also has been a much more committed defender than many were expecting.

Jerryd Bayless
Point Guard | 6-3, 190 | Age: 19 (from NBAdraft.net bio page)

Strengths: In a word: special. Bayless combines incredible speed, quickness and athleticism with a high level of intelligence and composure ... Winners mentality ... He really excels on the offensive end of the floor with his scoring ability ... Has an extra gear blowing by defenders with ease, and needs just an inch of daylight to get his jumpshot off ... Excellent body strength for his age ... He understands how to create shots for himself and has incredible leaping ability ... Very strong offensively, great form on his shot ... Plays with a high level of intensity ... Good defender, team player. Has leadership ability ...

Weaknesses: Must become better at running the PG position ... More of a scoring point, but his PG abilities are improving ... Can be prone to trying to do too much, must be more patient and composed ... Still hasn't sustained himself as an elite level player for an extended period of time ...

Eric Gordon
Shooting Guard  | 6-4, 215 | Age: 19 (from RealGM.com mock draft)

With his exceptional handle in the halfcourt, Gordon generates separation from his defender and particularly is infatuated with the step back jumper. His jumper is world class for a player of his age: it is very fluid, his release is high and is quite compact. His range comfortably extends to about 25-feet.

Not just a perimeter shooter, he is equally content to drive to the basket when defenders try to take away his jumper. He gets deep into the paint after shaking defenders with remarkable change of pace moves, invites and even generates contact and is strong enough to finish despite a hard foul. Strong and agile, he has the ability to contort his body and get his shot off.

Gordon defines the term ‘pure scorer.’

While maintaining the dribble, Gordon has exhibited excellent vision for knowing where everyone on the floor is stationed. Although he doesn't have the passing abilities of a true point guard, he has shown glimpses of strong promise in this area.

When he doesn’t have the ball, Gordon is sometimes a little too idle and stationary. He could get a few more open looks per game if he worked harder to move without the ball. Gordon is so adept at creating his own shot that he hasn’t really needed help in getting them, so this is pardonable for now, but is a facet of his game he eventually will need to address.

His height and weight are two issues that will plague him and slightly limit his ceiling. He is too short to be a true shooting guard, and Gordon fully realizes he will have to develop into a point guard at the NBA level. Scoring guards of his height like Dwyane Wade, Gilbert Arenas and Ben Gordon are all athletically superior to Gordon, though like a Carmelo Anthony, he is exceptionally ‘basketball athletic,’ especially with the ball.

Ultimately, the imperative for Gordon’s career (and draft value) will be if he can consistently score against long NBA defenders.

D.J. Augustin
Point Guard  | 6-0, 180 | Age: 20 (from ESPN.com insider draft bio)

Positives: Quick, athletic point guard with excellent court leadership skills. Can make passes few NBA point guards can pull off. Does an excellent job of probing and keeping his dribble until the right pass opens up. Excellent shooter with legit NBA 3-point range. Shows the right balance between scoring and getting his teammates involved. Gets to the free-throw line and sinks his shots. NBA body. Excellent finisher in traffic.

Negatives: The biggest knock is his size. He's probably closer to 5-foot-10 than 6-feet. Has been a little turnover prone this season. Tries to do too much which forces him to take bad shots. Can be too unselfish at times. Needs to be more vocal on the court.

Russell Westbrook
Point Guard | 6-3, 189 | Age: 19 (from RealGM.com mock draft)

Westbrook may very well be the best athlete in this year’s draft and is probably the best defender. He won the Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year award over senior Kyle Weaver and teammate Darren Collison. He is a lockdown, suffocating on-ball defender and will be so immediately upon his arrival in the NBA. He is so quick laterally and is also incredibly strong. Westbrook will also be a very good help defender, particularly as a shotblocker at the guard position.

He needs to reel in many aspects of his offensive game, but he has shown flashes of great sophistication as a shooter, dribbler and passer. He can create space off the dribble for his jumper and can also beat his man to get into the lane at will where he is a superb finisher. When he gets the ball into the paint, he is patient and controlled.

His closing speed when he gets closer to the basket is more impressive than any other player in this draft and he is already a YouTube dunk legend. He will never be a great perimeter shooter, but he should become a mid-range star in the Dwyane Wade mold if he just relaxes his mechanics slightly.

Let's assume we don't win the balls, How do we get into the lower portion of the Lottery this year?

Poll
Do you think leveraging this years draft to acquire any of the FIVE PROSPECTS (Mayo, Bayless, Gordon, Augustin, Westbrook) by mortgaging future drafts (1 or 2 future 1st rounders in a trade with this years 1st rounder) to move up somewhere between Pick 3
  • Yes
  • No

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Hey your poll question

doesn’t make sense? I don’t understand it

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Must have run out of room or something

I think PD was trying to ask the obvious question: Do you think we should try and move up in the draft to obtain one of the players he discusses in his fanpost?

It’s a good question, and an excellent analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the various candidates. After reading the analysis, I tend to conclude that Westbrook is our best option. Westbrook also happens to be ranked lower on the draft board than Mayo, Bayless and Gordon, so it would seem that we have a better chance at landing him than those others. If KP can package LaFrentz, Sergio and our 13th pick for Westbrook, then I say do it.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No good

unless there’s somebody sitting out there with either a $12-million-annually player that we want or a team looking to sign-and-trade a big-time FA. Gotta get the salaries to match up.

by BlazersOrBust on Apr 19, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To be Honest

When I watched UCLA games this season, which was only a couple before the tourney, with everything I had read about Collison, at first I thought he was #0, which is of course Westbrook. All this to say, I like Westbook if the pick is between those two from what I watched of UCLA basketball.

The description of Westbrook at ESPN,com certainly fits the bill for what Portland needs at the point. I haven’t watched enough of any of these guys to have a clue to what KP should do.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 19, 2008 10:10 AM PDT   0 recs

Oops!

ESPN comma com is wrong but actually fun to say out loud.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 19, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"ESPN comma comma somma com"

sung to the tune of Karma Camelion by Culture Club

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That is where my head was at...

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 19, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I felt it too

By the power of Greyskull, I am tominhawaii, the Ever-Living.

by tominhawaii on Apr 19, 2008 4:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tough time with the Poll

It is a bit too general. I would say no for “any” of them. But yes, if a specific player rose to the top of KP’s list and was not a high risk player.

I am more in favor of standing pat for one more year or at least until the trading deadline of next year to see how Oden affects this group of guys.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Apr 19, 2008 10:16 AM PDT   0 recs

A backcourt of...

Roy, Rudy and Westbrook would be killer. We would get shooting and slashing from Rudy, Defense and driving from Westbrook, we already have enough shooters, and the whole package with Roy. And all of them could play the 1 or 2 with their athletisism and skills.

by raging WebTed on Apr 19, 2008 10:26 AM PDT   0 recs

Allow me to expose my limited baskeball knowledge

Is there a difference between driving and slashing?

by pualo on Apr 19, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Slashing is a Bishop move

Whereas driving is more of a Rook move.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think there is a difference

But one could say that slashing is a Ginobili with lots of side to side moves mixed in with hesitation. Driving could be more a Jack move, when the player gets a open lane it’s straight in with rock, nothing fancy and a little dangerous, but it’s better than nothing at all.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Difference

Slashing incorporates more moving and cutting without the ball also.

by porterfan30 on Apr 21, 2008 9:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bayless

I think he’s the future. No telling if Rudy is Belinelli or Ginobili. With Blake here, we can wait a year or half-year for Bayless to start to figure it out.

Roy can play opposite Bayless. You decide which one is PG or SG. I don’t care about labels. We’d have 2 great guards.

Nate said that he wants more experience, so I think that Portland makes a run at Mike Miller with LaFrentz’s contract and Webster.

Jack and #13 and 3 mil. to LA Clips at #6 to get Bayless.
LA loves Love and I’m still convinced he goes around #13, not higher. Jack eases the move back to Livingston and Love guards against Brand moving on.

by parkinglotj on Apr 19, 2008 10:39 AM PDT   0 recs

After waiting five years for Outlaw

no way will they cut Webster loose after 3.

by raoulduke on Apr 19, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The reason they re-signed Outlaw was because he went ape-&^#$# at the end of the '06-'07 season

And because he came cheap ($12 mil/3 years is a bargain for any competent role-player). And because he won’t complain about minutes. And because at the time we didn’t have Greg Oden and a suddenly wide-open Championship window.

I think Martell’s situation is pretty different although if he shows enough progress I’m sure the Blazers will try and keep him around. Next season is huge for him though, if he bombs I think you can assume his future here is over.

by leeroyjenkins on Apr 21, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

We did have Oden when they re-signed Outlaw.

Martell’s gone ape a few times, too. But I agree that he needs to improve rather than regress next year. If they really believe in him, they might extend him this summer, if the price is right.

When I rule the world, Isiah Thomas will be coach and GM of the L*kers, who will be owned by someone who no one respects whose first initial is "J".

by jscot on Apr 21, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah ok I knew that, draft's in June

My bad. But yeah I think Martell needs a big year to get any sniff at a long-term deal.

by leeroyjenkins on Apr 21, 2008 2:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

please no mike miller

i apologize for being ad hominem but i think he’s one of the flat-out most ugly players in the league. and i have never seen him live up to the billing—he’s an underachiever who’s not going to ever get better.

ignacio

by ignacio on Apr 19, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Team USA

Seems like you have some talent if you get picked to play along side of King James.

by parkinglotj on Apr 19, 2008 9:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but you didn't address the ugliness issue

Ignacio is right. That dude is one ugly fella. If he went missing I doubt they’d even put his face on a milk carton. Nobody would buy the milk. Who wants to look at that while eating cereal? Wouldn’t taste very good with hominy either, so don’t bother adding any hominy. In fact you should probably subtract it.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 10:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Q23

I meant to type “Awe” but had my fingers in the wrong place. Anyhow, you done made me miss grits. I have not had grits since I lived on the mainland. I used to have excelent cheese grits at a place called Zenon Cafe in Eugene. Before that, I only liked grits in the south.

Do you like boiled peanuts?

By the power of Greyskull, I am tominhawaii, the Ever-Living.

by tominhawaii on Apr 20, 2008 12:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No.

Not much for grits either.

However collards or any kind of greens are a definite yes. As is sweet potato pie.

by timg56 on Apr 21, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes Yes Yes!

We should move up to take any one of those but Mayo. I’d like an order of multiple championships but, hold the Mayo please.

We will never see another player quite like John Stockton. Never.

by doublezeroduck on Apr 19, 2008 11:24 AM PDT   0 recs

I only know what I read

I looked at what NBADraft and DraftExpress had to say about Westbrook, and they pretty much echo what RealGM said. Some NBADraft comments that especially make me think he would be a great fit for the Blazers:

“Athletic and explosive combo guard with the length to make up for his lack of height … Attacks the basket with a lethal first step and crossover ability … Can handle the rock well and gets into the lane effortlessly … Finishes well at the rim and is unafraid to go up in traffic … Huge wingspan allows him to play much bigger than his 6-3 height … Gets good lift on his jumpshot and has a quick release … Solid passer with unselfishness, always looks for the open man … Has an excellent mid-range game … A gym rat, really works hard to improve … Has a great attitude, extremely coach-able … Has the potential to be a bigtime scorer when given the chance … Really excels defensively and has a chance to develop into a great defender … His anticipation for steals and his on ball defensive ability are special … Solid passer who shows the ability to play the point guard position.”

Unselfish, athletic, hard worker, top-notch defender… to me, Westbrook seems like he would fit right into our Blazer culture and fits what we need at PG. He wouldn’t start for a year or two if at all, but to be able to bring an athlete and defender like that off the bench to stop the speedy guards who regularly burn our perimeter defense or to provide a change of pace or instant offense would be a real asset.

by MiledAnimal on Apr 19, 2008 11:39 AM PDT   0 recs

Westbrook no doubt

If the comments about him being an immediate threat on the defensive end turn out to be true, there shouldn’t be any reason for him not to find into the Blazers. Even more, he’s got the athletism, work ethic, and unselfishness. I’m sure that KP is keeping at eye on this dude.

by Eventine on Apr 19, 2008 11:48 AM PDT   0 recs

Mayo

I have a strange fantasy in which the Blazers draft Mayo to have potentially 5 back-to-the-basket scores in the starting line up. Seriously, it would be really cool, a player like Steve Nash would have no where to run and would get killed! I don’t think it would be necessary, only really fun to watch. But I’ll go with whatever KP drafts.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 11:59 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm really not sold on Mayo

It might just be due to the way USC runs it’s offense, but Mayo has not looked very impressive this year. He scores a good amount of points, but he takes a lot of shots to do so and also turns the ball over a lot. He doesn’t get many assists and sometimes tries to attack 1 on 5. He has played particularly badly against good defenders like Westbrook and Chalmers. Since defenders of that caliber are much more common in the NBA than in the NCAA, it makes me question how effective he will be on the next level.

by trk on Apr 19, 2008 2:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To be honest

Outside of the top 2 picks, I’m not really sold on anyone either, but I seem be be higher on him than most people. I just think that his game will translate nicely to the NBA. Great outside shot, can drive to the hoop, pass and can play 2 positions, not to mention good defense for a superstar college player (who normally don’t care for that end).

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You need to watch some USC games,

floyds offense is horrible. I watched a lot of Ari and USC games to watch Bayles and Mayo and USC pretty much passes the ball around the 3pt line for 30 seconds and with 5 seconds left in the shot clock, pass it to Mayo and he HAS to go 1-5 to get horrible shot in the lane or an off balance 3 pt shot just to beat the shot clock.

It was pathetic and should not be as much of a concern in the NBA with the bigger court and better coaches, they will be able to space and Mayo will be able to get his shot off very well. You need to watch him catch and shoot coming off a curl, it is at an NBA level and he does hit 40% from 3pt land as well.

BTW LOTS of players had bad games against Westbrook and Chalmers (who I’ve been keeping an eye on, even before the final four.) But I also saw Mayo shut down Rose when they played.

Vote Jerryd Bayless in '08

by SpyderRyder on Apr 19, 2008 10:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

We can get Westbrook at #13

Although, I suspect we’ll trade #13 plus one or two second rounders in order to move up a bit and shed some players.

Of the elite players, i like Mayo the best, his characters issues are totally overblown and no one has said a bad thing about him at USC.

Can you imagine running out a line of Mayo, Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge and Oden at the same time? There isn’t an NBA defense good enough to shut that lineup down. The issue is, can those 5 work together?

When Outlaw is your worst offensive player on the court, you are in pretty good shape.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Apr 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Mario Chalmers

Seems like an ideal backcourt mate for Roy. He is a better defender than any of the ones listed except possibly Westbrook, and a better 3 point shooter than anyone on the list. Offensively, he isn’t the most productive guard in the draft but he is the most efficient. He has the highest TS% of any point guard in the NCAA and is ahead of all five players mentioned in both points per possession and assists per possession. He is a winner who excels in clutch situations, is likable and unselfish, and is willing to play a role to help the team. His level of play this year seems like it should be worthy of late lottery pick, and I am surprised that he has remained so low on the mock drafts.

by trk on Apr 19, 2008 2:30 PM PDT   0 recs

A poster after my own heart!

Mario is also a better defender than Westbrook but not as tall (6’1”) but a better ballhandler, distributer and much better shooter. However I do not think Mario is coming this year – even if he declares he really wants to stay at KU for his senior year and unless promised a lottery pick would return.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Apr 20, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Was anyone else a little terrified

of those youtube videos of Rudy “playing at the Y” highlights that were posted on this site a few months ago?

Ball Don't Lie

by bothteamsplayedhard on Apr 19, 2008 3:12 PM PDT   0 recs

I wouldn't be too worried about that

If you are talking about Rudy’s 8-minute scoring spree against Allianz Swans Gmunden in the ULEB cup. Gmunden is the top Austrian team, but the Austrian league is very weak and the difference between them and a top Spanish team is probably as big as the difference between an NBA team and a D-league team. Rudy’s DKV Joventut won the 2 game series by 51 points (166-115) despite playing scrubs for a large percentage of the time.

by trk on Apr 20, 2008 12:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i rule out

d.j. augustin and eric gordon right away because of their lack of height and defense—and i’ve seen them both play a couple of times without being impressed.

so that leaves westbrook, rudy and mayo. we’ve already drafted rudy, so…..

what everyone seems to be pining for, really, is a defensive pg who can at least slow down the unstoppable pgs in the league like chris paul.

i guess i wonder if there’s anyone out there on somebody’s bench, eric snow but younger. hmm. mateen cleaves but with at least the ability to shoot wide-open 3s. a lindsey hunter-type.

because a rookie might not be the answer here for this very specific need. for one thing, a rookie would not get any respect from the refs.

ignacio

by ignacio on Apr 19, 2008 4:18 PM PDT   0 recs

hey

I was watching Von Wafer play. That dude is the best deffender Blazers have. Just watch how he plays defense.

by RipCity on Apr 20, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Voted No

I’m not sure what that means except that if we cannot draft Rose, then we should not draft a point guard. The Blazers are the youngest team in the league, the two most important positions are center and point guard, and Oden is only 20. If a franchise changing point guard is not available, then the Blazers should trade for a veteran point guard, or continue to develop the ones they have.

By the power of Greyskull, I am tominhawaii, the Ever-Living.

by tominhawaii on Apr 19, 2008 4:39 PM PDT   0 recs

I've no problem with taking a rookie PG

There’s a longshot chance that we’ll be in championship contention next year; a somewhat better chance that we’ll hoist the Larry O’Brien in 2010. But I’m certainly not realistically imagining the Blazers winning a championship in the next two seasons—the West is still gonna be tougher than nails in that time.

So why not take a rookie point guard like Westbrook if we think that he fills a need and then groom him? We’re not so close to a title that we need to trade for that veteran PG to get us over the top, nor is our championship window in any danger of closing anytime soon, necessitating that we not draft a rookie to play important minutes. In three years, every single important player of ours (minus Przy) will be in his early-to-mid-twenties ::bursts into sweat imagining Celtics Russell-era dominance:: including the rookie PG that we may draft this year. If we think we’ve found a fit, I see no reason not to take him.

by BlazersOrBust on Apr 20, 2008 3:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

When I listend to the interview with KP on Thursday, he sounded like he was not going to do to much in the draft. But he knows that it might be his last lottery draft, so he might try to work some magic for pg position.

by RipCity on Apr 20, 2008 11:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

recently louis bullock

was mentioned as playing for real madrid or one of the other spanish professional teams. he’s 6’3” and just maybe 2 years ago was the best player on a mediocre u of michicgan team i saw play many times. he seemed very good—but he was a 6’3” shooting guard. i guess europe is where these guys tend to end up. he was very clutch in college. i wish him well.

im sure the #1 subject nate and kp discuss (and have discussed all year) is the backcourt situation. i trust they’ll come up with a reasonable solution.

ignacio

by ignacio on Apr 19, 2008 5:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Weatbrook

no mock draft has any team taking westbrook in the first round.So why waste future first round draft to move down when its not called for.

by billyjoejack on Apr 19, 2008 6:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Its Westbrook Mate, (with a S)

And every one I’ve seen has him above the 13th pick, so if I were you I’d stop looking NFL drafts, (300+ pound prospects should be your tip off).

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 6:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

mock drafts

I think a lot of them don’t list him because they’re not sure that he’s coming out.

by pualo on Apr 20, 2008 12:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

westbrook I Got it hightide

It Was a typo my friend and just so you know I did not look at NFL draft .I just looked at hoopshype mock draft.Maybe you should look again.And take it easy on insulting people. Now I just look again and look at draft express and hoopshypes draft witch was up dated 4/10/08. Now you are right they the Kings taking Westbrook at #12 in Draft express mock draft but not Hoopshype mock draft.And remember there are many mock draft out their and not all are the same.

by billyjoejack on Apr 19, 2008 7:15 PM PDT   0 recs

JKing

I was just joking. I was justing trying to be funny… But if it came off wrong I’m sorry. BTW, if he isn’t in the first round the mock probably didn’t have him coming out this year, which by all indications he is.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 9:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

Hoopshype isn’t very good with their mocks, normally they are out of date, have the same descriptions of the players all year (which is probably why they don’t have Westbrook up, because then they would have to actually write), and their mock isn’t even close to most of the other mock drafts. So, I stopped looking at it, hence I missed out on their stupidity.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 10:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no idea what happened here

I hadn’t even typed “O” – I’d typed “I” , went for the apostrophe and who knows what I hit, but suddenly the above enigmatic message was posted. Now I don’t know how to delete it.

So what I was going to say….

I’d rather wait. I am not convinced that drafting yet another pg is the smartest use of our first pick. We have 3 on the roster and one in Europe. There is no guarantee that any draftee will be better than what we already have, esp. for the next couple of years. Are any of those guys really ready to start for an NBA team? I don’t think I want a rookie pg leading the team next year. If pg is really our most pressing need then I think we need KP to work his magic to get us a proven NBA player.

by jorga on Apr 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

O

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss" Robert A. Heinlein

by 92wastheyear on Apr 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Crazy

I honestly thought you were going to start your comment with a word that started with the letter “O.”

I’m with you 110% on the point guard situation.

By the power of Greyskull, I am tominhawaii, the Ever-Living.

by tominhawaii on Apr 20, 2008 12:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

O

...........K

by timg56 on Apr 21, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just plain O is a nice post

Nice and peaceful. No stress.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

NBADraft.Net

Has The Bulls taking westbrook at #9 so yes You could be right maybe make a deal to move down to get westbrook.And trade J.Jack, Raef,J.Jones And our 1st round to Memphis and take Rose or Westbrook.Think they might take two expiring contracts in Raef And J.Jones J.Jack and our #1 for theirs.

by billyjoejack on Apr 19, 2008 7:27 PM PDT   0 recs

Mike Conley Jr.

Now like I said before If K.P. could swing a deal with Memphis for Conley Jr. and maybe B.Cardinal and J.Collins for Reaf ,J.Jack and J.Jones if Jones Doesn’t opt. out of his contract it becomes an expiring just like Reaf which is more appealing to some teams.Or maybe Jones and Jack for Conley in a two for one and use Raef expiring contract at a later date.

by billyjoejack on Apr 19, 2008 9:16 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't know if Conley is a "fit"

I’m sure that they could make it work, but Conley needs the ball to be successful. The Blazers have Roy for that.

Portland needs a guard to play off Roy. A great 3 ball shooter to spread the floor, a good-to-great small guard defender and guard that can bring the ball up and get it to Roy.

Westbrook fits 2 of the three. Bayless fits 2 of the 3. Baron Davis fits all three, but is always hurt and has only a few years left.

Conley really only fits 1 of the 3. Good ballhandler, great dish guy.

by parkinglotj on Apr 19, 2008 10:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Conley

He is lighting up the 3 over the last month at 44.8%. Plus, it should be noted that rookies normally have problems shooting the 3, even Durant. So, Conley might turn out to be a good shooter when it is all said and done.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 10:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Delonte West

Since we’re speculating about PGs, what about Delonte West? Dude has a cool game. Very steady out there. Plus he has cool tattoos on his neck. We clearly have a tattoo deficit on our team. Travis doesn’t even have a single one. Nor Roy.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Apr 19, 2008 10:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Tattoos

With an even bigger deficit in white players with tattoos, why don’t we just bring in Joel Freeland next season? He’s got a cool something on his right arm.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 19, 2008 11:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He really has it all—athleticism, ballhandling, shooting touch (with NBA 3-point range) and active defense. He has the ability to play both the one and the two because of his excellent floor vision, increasing his value.

What about playing Rudy F. at point?

I voted no because I want to wait and see how the chemistry between these guys is, with the addition of Oden and Fernandez (potentially) on the court.

"and when our backs are against the wall the only two words that matter offensively are 'Brandon' and 'Roy'." --Dave

by chickenmelt on Apr 19, 2008 11:56 PM PDT