Trade with the Heat?

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 2:14 PM PDT

I'm so bored today. Which means: More diaries from bfan.

I noticed this interesting little tidbit while searching the ESPN.com rumor mill recently:

No Clear-Cut Best Player

Although NBA rules prohibit him from commenting on freshmen Michael Beasley and Derrick Rose, Heat coach Pat Riley indicated Tuesday he is undecided what he would do if the Heat lands the No. 1 pick, asserting there is no clear-cut best player.

"There is not a definitive guy right now," he said, reiterating he would consider trading the pick for veteran help. "If there's someone we all agree on ... then we will do that. If we can't get a consensus, or if I don't feel real good about it, or if he doesn't really fit because of the position, then maybe we go in another direction." -- The Miami Herald

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

So, the Heat might be willing to trade their pick to a team for veteran help? Hmmm, not many teams out there who can offer an expiring contract, young talent, AND consistent veterans at different positions ... EXCEPT US!!!

I wonder ... if the Heat win the #1 pick (which might be unlikely since the worst team hardly ever wins the lottery), could we make a play?

This is a toughy since the Heat currently only have 7 players on their roster next year--one of which is on a qualifying offer, with the other two on team options for a minimum-level contract. It is conceivable that none of these players are brought back, leaving only Dwyane Wade, Udonis Haslem, Mark Blount, and Daequan Cook with which to work a trade. Any trade with the Heat must likely include Blount and his horrid contract. Other players, like Jason Williams, could be used in a sign-and-trade, or a third team could be brought into the mix, which are both likely options as well.

So, I pose the question to you BlazersEdgers: Assuming Miami draws the pick and would prefer to improve their team in multiple areas rather than simply taking Rose or Beasley, what would you offer to get a deal done? Any suggestions must work under the salary cap. The best suggestion will earn the title of "Little Pritchard" from yours truly ...

Follow up question: Is it destiny that a player named "Rose" would end up playing in the City of Roses?

(Hint: yes.)

bfan out [editor's note, by bfan] Oops. I was looking at Storyteller's salary site and forgot that he doesn't update it very often. Consider that Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks are also in the picture when it comes to trades ...

Poll

Is Rose destined to play in the City of Roses?

Yes

42 votes

Yes

46 votes

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wow

best. poll. ever.

Rudy > MJ

by myemic23 on Apr 10, 2008 2:23 PM PDT 0 recs

I'll consider that.

It was pretty "freaking" good, and I'm saying that just like John Travolta did after he sipped on the bourbon and milkshake at Jack Rabbit Slim's in Pulp Fiction.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Apr 10, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

lol

the yeses are splie evenly

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by JTDuck22 on Apr 10, 2008 2:31 PM PDT 0 recs

A double positive is a negative in English?

by amlmart1 on Apr 10, 2008 2:44 PM PDT 0 recs

No

But a double-negative is affirmative. Bet they didn't you teach that one in English school ... :)

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, yeah!

by amlmart1 on Apr 10, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

double positives CAN be a negative...

there's the story of the professor who tells his students that in english, unlike some languages, a double positive is never interpreted as a negative, to which a student pipes up from the back, "yeah right."

I haven't slept for ten days because that would be too long.

by abetterbomb on Apr 10, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hahaheh. Good one.

by annthefan on Apr 10, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

consistent veterans?

Blake could maybe be considered a consistent veteran, although he has just completed what I believe to be his first full season as a starter. And Jones might be one as well, but he is still known as a streaky shooter, who also now has a mystery knee ailment. I'm just curious as to who you feel these consistent veterans are?

by Devenex on Apr 10, 2008 2:48 PM PDT 0 recs

They would be the two ...

Certainly Pryz in in the mix for those who think acquiring Rose would be worth trading Joel.

Travis and Martell are both approaching this category as well. They're not 7-10 year veterans, but they are not second year players any more either. Travis is probably a little further along in terms of having a defined roll on a winning team.

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

Forgot about Joel

But I think that he would best be held onto. Same for Blake, who's play has convinced me that our need for a PG upgrade might be more wanting than needing. He seems to always find LMA when he runs, while hitting open shots and keeping our TO's low. Basically he does everything we want BUT prevent quick guards from getting in the lane.

So that leaves Jones, who might opt out this offseason for a bigger a payday (although this seems less likely to happen after his slump, but who knows).

AND RAEF! He's a veteran and consistency is his middle name, he consistently gets DNP's when the roster is healthy.

by Devenex on Apr 10, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Is it that time of year already?

Let the GM misdirection and smokescreens begin.

Usually they wait until after the lottery before they start lying through the press. I would be shocked if the Heat traded #1 or 2, he's probably trying to generate interest on the off chance he might luck into a one sided steal of a deal.

Unless we're willing to trade one of our big 3, nothing doing.

"I'm a buffet of goodness."

by TP43 on Apr 10, 2008 3:32 PM PDT 0 recs

I think that we would give up too much

for a shot at Rose.

Looking at their roster we would have to include Raef, Webster/TO and Sergio, possibly Blake or Pryzbilla and the 13th to make the talent work and then we would have to take back Blount, Banks and Haslem to make it work salary wise and those are all on the books for the 09 season, all $19mill of them.

I would much prefer to us our 13th, Jack and a couple of our future firsts to move up mid lotto and grab Mayo, Bayless or Gordon and still have flexibility in 09.

The NBA

Where Kyle Korver happens.

by SpyderRyder on Apr 10, 2008 3:36 PM PDT 0 recs

You are clearly NOT Little Pritchard.

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

Here is the best I could come up with

Let me start by saying I don't think the Heat will trade that pick, but hey if we all pretend they are shopping it, this would be something I would propose, (and prolly be laughed at over the phone!).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=70~1996~866~2754~2768~2015~3025&teams= 22~14~22~24~14~14~14&te=&cash=

3 way trade,
Miami, San Antonio, and Portland.

Miami
Incoming Players
Sergio Rodriguez
Salary: $817,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.4 REB: 0.8 AST: 1.6 PER: 8.36

Matt Bonner
Salary: $2,700,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 4.8 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.5 PER: 12.46

Jarrett Jack
Salary: $1,217,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.7 REB: 2.8 AST: 3.7 PER: 12.49

Travis Outlaw
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 13.2 REB: 4.5 AST: 1.3 PER: 15.69

Outgoing Players: Mark Blount and the #1 over all pick in the 2009 draft.

Miami gets quantity over quality. Sergio is still highly thought of in the NBA, Travis has proven he can score and is a quality role player. Jack is a good back up to Wade, and Bonner adds some 3 point shooting to a team that really needs it. They lose their worst contract in Blount, and the #1 pick. With Wade there, would they really take Rose #1 overall? My guess is they take Beasley, But do you take a guy like Beasley who is untested in the NBA, when someone offers you 2 proven NBA players, one of whom, (outlaw) might just fill the same need, plus they give you a very tempting talent in Sergio?

In the end I don't think it is enough for Miami to move on it, but it is interesting at least.

San Antonio
Incoming Players
Channing Frye
Salary: $2,487,240 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 6.4 REB: 4.2 AST: 0.7 PER: 14.17
Von Wafer
Salary: $2,487,240 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.5 REB: 0.7 AST: 0.3 PER: -0.09

Outgoing Players: Matt Bonner, Ime Udoka

The Spurs do this to get younger and better at their back up 4 spot. Frye is better than Bonner, and he is younger, and cheaper. Ime might be too much for them to lose though to pick up Frye. My guess is that even if Miami somehow agreed to this trade, the Spurs would blow it off. Von Wafer is a resigned throw in to make the salaries match. (the trade machine doesn't let you do that)

Portland Trail Blazers

Incoming Players
Mark Blount
Salary: $7,901,040 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 8.4 REB: 3.7 AST: 0.6 PER: 11.67

Ime Udoka
Salary: $1,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.5 REB: 3.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 11.32

Outgoing Players: Channing Frye, Sergio Rodriguez, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw (BYC)

And of course, as any good trade proposal done by a fan, this trade favors the home team. The Blazers part with Outlaw, Sergio, Frye and Jack, all who are rotation players this year, but none of whom are vital to future success. For those 4 men Portland gets both a star point guard, and a lock down defense who can guard the top scoring threats in the western confrence. Not a bad trade, and if it was to happen both the Spurs, and especially the Heat would be Pritch-slapped by the rest of the league.

by usmcr3049 on Apr 10, 2008 4:12 PM PDT 0 recs

That's the spirit.

Unlike the curmudgeons above, you have actually played along with the idea that they might actually trade the pick. Well done.

However, I do think you might be playing a little close to the vest. To gain much you must risk much. I don't think Miami trades the pick for a package of Sergio, Jack, Outlaw, Bonner, and a chance to get rid of Blount's contract.

You get style points for involving San Antonio and bringing back our wayward son, Ime. A noble effort to be sure.

by bfan on Apr 10, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

YA

Honestly I don't think we could get the #1 pick without giving up Roy, LMA, or Oden, and I just don't see that happening from the portland side. Any trade not including one of those 3 would be rejected by Miami is my guess.

by usmcr3049 on Apr 10, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Correction

Von Wafer's salary is not 2.4 million, it is 700k this year, and he would have to be resigned for about the same and then traded for this proposed trade to work.

by usmcr3049 on Apr 10, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up 0 recs

I was gonna say...

Sounded like a pretty sweet pay day for a guy like Von Wafer! He did have that one good game, so he's 1 for 1 with good games in games he actually got to play, so maybe that's worth 3 million.

Since Wafer is a Blazer and thus I wish the best for him, I wish he could be on the Heat right NOW, because as their starting 2-guard he could show someone in the NBA that he is for "real", as the kids say. He'd shoot lights out on the NBA's D+ league team, the Miami Heats.

If we could wrangle away someone's mid lottery pick, combine it with our lottery pick, plus some combo of Jack/Outlaw/Webster/Sergio/Frye/Whoever, maybe we could get Miami's pick and snag Rose! If Patricia Riley doesn't fall in love with Beastley or Rose, maybe he'd take two lottery picks plus good young players in return for the top pick... but I doubt it.

Jack is much more well regarded league wide than on 'da Bedge, and I think Outlaw intrigues all GMs across the seven seas. Along with our lottery pick we definitely got some pieces to make a lil' sumthin sumthin happen happen.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 10, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

Maybe

If we throw in our #1 this year to Miami, and our #1 in 2010 to the Spurs, and give each of them a good second rounder, and send money to Miami.

And hold their owners' grandkids hostage.

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Apr 11, 2008 2:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

I don't think we'll need to trade with Miami.

Not after we win the NBA Draft Lottery for the second year in a row, that is.

"It just showed once again that half the world doesn't know how the other three quarters live." -P.G. Wodehouse

by T Darkstar on Apr 10, 2008 6:07 PM PDT 0 recs

I don't think it is that far fetched...

The Heat are the perfect team for us to trade with to move up in the draft. I think their motivation is too attract good, young talent and rid themselves of the contracts of Blount, Haslem and Banks. I think salaries match up to make this deal.

Heat trade: Blount, Haslem, Banks, the #1 pick.
Portland trades: LaFrentz, Outlaw, Frye, Jack and the #13 pick (maybe throw in a 2nd rounder too).

The Heat will save over $100 million dollars over the next two years by getting rid of those three contracts. They free up cap space for signing a free agent summer 09 or even trading Raef before next year's deadline to get another piece for their team. I think having Cook, Wade, Marion, and Outlaw as their 1-2-3-4 players and adding a big man with the 13th pick (maybe Hibbert, Arthur, B. Lopez, Speights), they would have a good core to build around and save a ton of money.

Obviously Portland landing Rose would be a huge deal. We would celebrate almost as much as landing Oden. If we did get Rose, the 09 cap space would not be an issue. I think Haslem can be a great rebounder off the bench. He is exactly what we need coming off the bench. Rose, Roy, Webster, Aldridge and Oden. The White Unit is Blake, Rudy, Jones, Haslem, Przybilla.

Probable, of course not. But I do think the Heat have some good reasons to consider a move like this.

by utblazer on Apr 10, 2008 6:07 PM PDT 0 recs

Earlier,

I'd made a post that other than the big 3, the only 'quality' trading chips we posses, are Rudy(who is expendable 'cuz we already have our 2 guard), Outlaw and the 13th pick.

Would these three be enough to secure Miami's pick?

by TwoDeep on Apr 10, 2008 6:21 PM PDT 0 recs

More than that.

If a team is going to give up a potential franchise player for quantity then there has to be a lot more quantity than that. Think about what it would take to get Roy or Alderidge from us. If we wanted the number one pick without giving up one of the big three, and preferably not Prizbilla or Blake it would take at least this years lottery pick, our 2010 first rounder, Outlaw, Rudy, and any of Frye, Webster, Jack, or Sergio that they wanted, and they would have to have bad contracts that they would want to get rid of in exchange for LaFrenz. That means we would be sending close to 20 million in salaries their way and they don't have that much in bad contracts. They like Haslem and he's cheep for a starting PF. Blount and Banks contracts together only adds up to about 11.5 million so the numbers just don't work. If we are going to be able to pry a top two pick away from someone it's gonna have to be a team that is already invested in their PG of the future, has needs at SG, SF, or PF (Outlaw, Webster, Rudy, Frye)and desperately wants to ditch some payroll for expiring contracts.

by TubbaDubba on Apr 11, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Point is ...

that Miami has a team full of scrubs outside of their own "Roy" and "Aldridge." They might want to upgrade several areas of their team as opposed to drafting just one player ...

But of course it's all moot if they don't get the #1 pick.

by bfan on Apr 11, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

I forgot to add:

IMO Rose is exactly what we need to get to a championship level. You have to give up talent to get talent, but I'm just not sure what I suggested giving up above is enough.

by TwoDeep on Apr 10, 2008 6:27 PM PDT 0 recs

Not a chance

Pat Riley is playing the media to attract attention that doesn't have anything to do with him only winning 2 1/2 games this season.

Rest assured, if Pat Riley gets the #1, which David Stern might be able to finagle for the right price, the Heat are picking Beasley and that's all there is to it.

Wade and Beasley are you kidding me? If you would give up the chance to have those two together for 10 years for any combination of our players that doesn't include Roy, LMA, or Oden you are just plain wallowing in the delusions of your own self-indulgent homer-ness.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Apr 10, 2008 7:36 PM PDT 0 recs

We don't have the pieces

At least, not that we're willing to give up. This is the best package we can put together without including one of the Big 3:

Sergio, Rudy, Jack, Outlaw, Koponen, Webster, the 13th pick, and $3 million.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=70~2768~2015~3025~2795~3204~3216&teams 22~14~14~14~14~14~14&te&cash=14:22

Some would scoff at that on the Portland side, but the fact is Miami wouldn't take it. A bunch of bench players, a midrounder, and some cash? I wouldn't do it if I was Miami.

I don't think anyone has the pieces. I could see Miami trading down to the 2nd or 3rd pick if they could make the right deal, but thats it.

by matthewcc on Apr 10, 2008 8:21 PM PDT 0 recs

I swear to god...

........................ I'm going to start a diary with a poll:

Are you sick of bad Blazers' Edge polls?

(a) YES.

(b) YES.

(c) Rebecca Haarlow is HOT.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Apr 10, 2008 10:15 PM PDT 0 recs

C

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by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 10, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

You can't do it like that

It's gotta be a "yes" with a long explanation afterwards.

What is love? Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more.

by tominhawaii on Apr 10, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

C

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Apr 10, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

C

And I'm good with multiple choice

"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Apr 11, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

D

(d) but not as hot as jarah mariano

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/models/jarah-mariano/08_jarah-mariano_1.html

by timg56 on Apr 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

Maybe Miami doesn't trade the #1......

but they may trade the #2 or #3 if Beasley is off the board. It will be very unlikely to get Rose with anything out of the top 3. If you look at the teams most likely to have the #1-3 (Miami, Memphis, Minnesota, Seattle, LA Clips and NYK) Most of them have a need at PG, with the exception of Memphis who just drafted one, but would still likely pick the fan favorite, hometown Rose with the pick, making Conley Jr. available to us. My guess is the Knicks might take Mayo over Rose, and many of these teams would take Beasley over Rose.

I just heavily doubt Rose would fall out of the top 3. I think Miami being in a position to draft Rose with Beasley already off the board is our best chance. I also think the Clips would consider dealing with us because they have a contention window (with Brand, Kaman, Mobley and Maggette all getting older)that might close before they can develop someone as young as Rose or any of the other young PG's in the draft.

I think the other things we need to really root for this year (if we are high on certain PG's in this draft) is that all of them enter, and the non PG players in the draft (Beasley, Love, Lopez, Gordon, etc.) really up their stock between now and the draft. It may let a PG KP covets drop to a spot that we can make a deal for.

by WarEaglePDX on Apr 11, 2008 12:57 AM PDT 0 recs

I don't get it

I keep hearing "Of course they pick Beasley"

Wade and Marion are both top tier players. Think AI and Melo. Those two, when healthy, will win you games with the right help around them.

They don't need Beasley to help them score points. He's a 6'10, 235 lb sf/pf. Remember what Marion played in Phoenix? The advantage of Marion was that he played big, and was a sf/pf. One of their only dependable rotation players is Udonis Haslem, a true PF, who averages 12 ppg and 9 rpg (apparently he averages exactly those numbers, mustn't be a fan of decimals).

Obviously the #1 overall pick is meant to be a franchise player, but you have to look at it as a risk/reward scenario. The greatest possible reward is that Beasley plays the Power Forward position and is a significant upgrade over Haslem. The chances of this are, like I mentioned, minimal since Haslem is a already a legitimate NBA starter, and Beasley's natural position is somewhere between SF and PF, which is between Marion (all-star) and Haslem (not bad).

So then, assuming I've convinced you that Beasley is not filling a "need" for them, they'd pick Rose. But Rose is almost in the same position on that roster. They already have Wade, who is obviously an injury-risk but is a truly elite talent. He's 6'4 and plays something of a scoring-pg / distributing sg role. Rose is 6'4 and plays something essentially the same roles, with slightly less of the SG aspect.

Their line-up with Rose would look like this:
Rose
Wade
Marion
Haslem
Blount

As in they'd have All-Stars at the 2 and 3, the #1 pick at the 1, an average 4, and they'd STILL be paying and playing Mark Blount.

Skipping a bit, I'm trying to make the point that the Heat are in need of a Center and a more patient distributor than Jason Williams, and who won't take shots away from Wade and Marion.

What Riley would probably want to do is this:
Trade the #1 pick and Blount for Joel and Blake.

I know, that's a lot to give up for us. Not saying we'd do it, but that'd be what the Heat would want. It's 2 starters for 2 starters.

I think the real question of this thread needs to be

A) Is that the offer Riley would most likely make?
and B) Should we ever consider doing it?

by rmcdougall on Apr 11, 2008 11:19 AM PDT 0 recs

Interesting idea...

For me giving up both Joel and Blake, would be really really hard, as I see them both as, "Blazers for life" type players. The will be back ups in my opinion but very very good back ups, who both have manageable contracts, and don't give me the impression that they will be looking for huge pay increases once their current contracts are up.

Blount is just a contract to me, not a rotation player on even a decent team. He only plays on Miami because they are horrible. About the only thing he can do is shoot long 2 pointers at a pretty good rate, (47% this year). He can't rebound, can't block shots, and doesn't give a great effort on the defensive end. Pairing him with Frye on the white unit, would be a bad match as well as they both are basically the same player on offense.

But the real part of this proposed trade is the #1 pick, and Rose. So is a star starting PG worth 2 quality back up players? That is the real question, and it is one that seems obvious, "of course you fool!". But honestly I am not so sure that it is.

If Rose lives up to his hype, lets say he becomes as good as D. Williams of Utah, does that help this team more than Blake and Joel would if we found another starting PG who wasn't as good as Rose, but a bit better defensively than Blake? It is hard to say.

I am willing to give up, Webster, Outlaw, Sergio, Jack, and maybe Rudy, (along with any cap fodder on our roster) in trades. But to me Joel and Blake are almost untouchable, because they give this team exactly what every team in the NBA wants out of their players, consistant quality minutes on the floor. You know exactly what they are going to give you each night, you can bank on it 90+% of the time. Those type of players are what put good teams over the top to championship level.

But after all that is said, if I was KP and the heat offered me this deal, I would have to think long and hard about it, because it is very very tempting.

And if I was Miami, I would reject this deal, and look for something better if possible.

by usmcr3049 on Apr 11, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

Somebody is finally making sense.

The kicker here for me is that I believe Rose is the perfect fit alongside Brandon. Brandon handles and distribute enough that what we need is someone who can guard the position, score when needed, and maybe get out on the break. Long distance shooting is a bonus, but a lot of players have developed that over time.

I personally think the addition of Rose trumps Pryz and Blake. It'd be touch to see Joel go, but I think I'd do it.

However, I still don't think that's enough to get the pick from Miami. But it's getting closer.

by bfan on Apr 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

We would have to give up a lot more

to get Rose. It's nice to think about adding that kind of talent in Rose, but I would think we would Miami would start by asking us for Roy or Aldridge(no thanks). Any combination of our other players & taking back awful contracts wouldn't bother me to get Rose. To a lesser extent I feel the same about adding Bayless.

Miami & Memphis are the teams to target. Seattle, Minny & New York are going to use their picks.

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by JTDuck22 on Apr 11, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

Here's my opinion

We have to go fishing with all those teams for sure but if we want our guy but don't want to give away guys that can help this team off the bench like Zilla et all then we will have to help a team's future and that team can help us now. We'll give em money, expiring contracts, future picks and a couple of players we can stand to lose and they can use.

Wishful thinking? Maybe. but that is the strage I would most like to see.

Let's win next year and then keep winning. And let's get Comcast out of the equation so I can watch the games.

by T REX on Apr 12, 2008 8:41 PM PDT 0 recs