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The Commish is in town

David Stern will be in Portland on the 4th of March.

Star-divide

Chances are, if he's in town, he will be attending the game against Phoenix that night at 7 pm.  I will be attending this game.  What I would like to see is the Portland fans take the opportunity to stand up for a rival franchise, the Seattle Supersonics.  

What is happening to that team and that fanbase is horrific.  I am a Blazer fan from childhood, and when we and the Sonics recieved the top two picks in the last draft, and it became apparent both teams would be cultivating young, up and coming talent, the opportunity for a renewed rivalry grabbed hold of me.  It excited me to imagine sold out Rose Gardens chanting for Oden and Roy against Durant and Green.  The rebirth of the I-5 Rivalry.  And now the Sonics will be leaving, and it is a loss not just to Seattle, but Portland as well.  

My idea:  provided Commisioner Stern is in attendance at the game (look to the seats by Kevin Pritchard and Paul Allen--that's likely where Stern will be) the Portland faithful should take up the cause of our sister city.  Bring signs that read Save the Sonics.  Wouldn't it be great to let Stern know that not only the Seattle fans are upset, but fans of other franchises support them as well?  Let's start a Save the Sonics chant.  If the Rose Garden can take up that mantra for just a few minutes during the game, at least Stern will hear it.  It might not change anything, but he will know there is dissatisfaction with his compliance to Clay Bennet's pillaging of a 41 year old Seattle mainstay and Portland rival.

Portland has classy fans and Blazersedge is a place were many of those classy fans congregate.  So help get the word out: at the 10 minute mark of each quarter of the game tomorrow night, take up the chant....SAVE THE SONICS, SAVE THE SONICS, SAVE THE SONICS.  Let's give a voice to the Sonics fans who won't be there.

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Its wierd
that teams moving is almost a yearly conversation in the NBA, yet in the NFL it doesn't happen nearly as often.  Has the NBA established a poor business model that makes it hard to be profitable?  Even the Hornets who are winning are having trouble filling the seats compared to the Saints.  

by Philthyanimal on Mar 3, 2008 5:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Save the Sonics...
Or at least let Seattle keep the SONICS name so that when a new owner comes in a few years it is still the same feel...

Not the Oklahoma SuperSonics vs. the Seattle Clams.

David Stern is a weasle... maybe they take up the name Seattle Weazles to spite him?

by Scotty the Mastermind on Mar 3, 2008 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How about
Clay's OKC Kleptomaniacs

by Steve The Hedge on Mar 3, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you DrivetheLane
I wish I could help.

You know what would be really neat?

Remember those "taste great/less filling" commercials?

Maybe one side of the area can yell "FI-YER I-SAY-YAH" and the other side can yell "SAVE THE SONICS."

"This reminds me of my father's last words: 'Don't son, that gun is loaded!'" - Chains from the greatest movie ever, Stone Cold (1991)

by tominhawaii on Mar 3, 2008 5:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oops
I meant "arena."
"This reminds me of my father's last words: 'Don't son, that gun is loaded!'" - Chains from the greatest movie ever, Stone Cold (1991)

by tominhawaii on Mar 3, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From Section 323 I've got a good line on
the back of KP and PA's heads. Thus Stern, too.
I could throw a Save the Sonics spit wad at him.
But then I would probably be invited never to return.  So maybe not.

by Section323 on Mar 3, 2008 5:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You can post questions to Stern on a live chat
tommorrow at 2:45pm.  http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatNBA?event_id=19542

Start that chat or bring signs...do what you can to bring to his attention NBA fans disgust over this.  

by JasonT on Mar 3, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oops...
I meant start that "chant" or bring signs to the game.

by JasonT on Mar 3, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're successful
I hate the idea of the Sonics moving.  I've never accepted them as a real rival for us (they are closest to us geographically, but I never felt they were all that important), but they easily could become a HUGE rival what with the Durants and the Greens and the 374 draft picks coming up over the yearses.  More important to me, however, is that they have been there for sooooo long and have faithful fans who have grown up with the franchise and supported them for their entire lives.  Moving a team like that, with such an incredible history (and a very long history, in NBA terms), is plain evil-- especially when it doesn't need to happen.

Personally, I don't see any sense in the move economically, ethically, or whateverically.  I don't drink coffee but I'm especially not drinking coffee from Starbucks since the owner tanked the franchise for some extra bucks (which he desperately needed, I'm sure).

Just don't make David Stern TOO angry with the protest; we need him to allow the refs to allow us to win a championship some day, and angering him on behalf of the Sonics may blow up in our faces next season and beyond.  Before we know it, Stern's cronies are planting WMDs in Roy's locker, causing Roy to be locked up in Guantanamo just as we're set to make our Championship push.  Stern has a long memory, as evidenced by his punishment of us in the 2000 WCF... he really didn't like how we signed the great Chris Dudley, and he always gets the last laugh.

I don't know what Seattle did to piss off Stern, but we can all agree that "Singles" is a pretty lame movie and Soundgarden's Chris Cornell is insufferably pretentious.  It's not too hard to imagine a scenario where Stern was rubbed the wrong way by them as well.  He's going way overboard by helping a fascist like Clay Bennett steal a historically important franchise like Seattle to achieve his revenge, but it serves as a warning to us to not go too far.

Honestly, I wish ya lots of luck with this and I think it's the right thing to do.  I hope you can get the message to Stern, and I hope other cities do this as well.  

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Mar 3, 2008 6:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Count on Mort to have interesting take
I am not buying it though....I heard his favorite movie is "Sleepless in Seattle" and he is hugh "Heart" fan so it all evens out (or "Evens it up" if you prefer)

by 92wastheyear on Mar 3, 2008 6:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Make signs!
"Don't take our rivalry"

"I-5 for life"

Or, my favorite:
"They're our Sonics too"

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on Mar 3, 2008 6:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

official news
stern is here to convince paul allen to move portland to Seattle when the sonics move to OKC

Just joking....I hope...

Fernandez,Roy,Outlaw,Aldridge,Oden---wait for it! My Video about BROY7

by soulja2boy on Mar 3, 2008 6:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They say "Save Our Sonics"
A nice response would be "Save Their Sonics".

Great idea. Hope it happens.

by grimc on Mar 3, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Get word to the Sonics fans so they
can come down and do their part.

by annthefan on Mar 3, 2008 6:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could help!
I don't think Stern would get mad at Portland for it, I think he'll see it as a classy remark as long as we arn't vulgar about it. More power to everyone and I really hope we can grab his attention a bit, but lets not forget about getting a win over the Big Diesel.

by Blazermaniac77 on Mar 3, 2008 7:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I just don't feel
the sentimental "Sonic I-5 Love". I couldn't care less where any NBA owner wants to move. It's their business. It's their capital at risk. In fact, if a move to Oklahoma benefits the Sonics' ownership, then it benefits the league as well and I'm sure we all support a healthy league.

by t jay on Mar 3, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So I guess you'll be there to lend a hand
when Paul Allen starts packing up the Penske truck once he's ready to move the Blazers up to Seattle.

by knickfan on Mar 3, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's his team
and he can pretty much do what he wants. I have no problem with that. While I'd be sorry to see the team go to another city, it's a business. The Dodgers are no longer in Brooklyn.

And if the Blazers moved out, I suspect the Commish would have another owner set to move in before long. The new team may not be called the Blazers, but they'd be our team just the same.

by t jay on Mar 3, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

screw that!!!!
If PA moves the blazers, I will quit watching the nba. period.
Rudy > MJ

by myemic23 on Mar 3, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

x2
my love for the blazers is the only thing keeping me from boycotting the NBA over this sonics fiasco in the first place

by DominicanAvenger on Mar 3, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clay Bennett
is that you?  What are you doing on a Blazer fan site?  Why did you choose T-jay as your alias?

by JasonT on Mar 4, 2008 7:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sports teams are a social institution
and while they remain the property of their owner, the main marketing strategy they employ is to garner support from a geographic region and make fans feel as though its 'their team.'  There is not one member of any organization that would discourage a fan from calling a team his.  It's that marketing strategy that makes an owner ethically challenged by moving a team.  Bennet's in a different boat here, but PA has clearly marketed 'his team' as 'our team.'  Because he does this, he owes us as fans more than a mere business might.  There is a social bond and committment given by the business to respect those that support it.  It works for the business, but only as long as the business can demonstrate that it's NOT ONLY A BUSINESS.  

In other words, this is a business that's desperately selling itself as not JUST a business.  

To regard the moving of a team as simply a business move is to fundamentally MISUNDERSTAND the ethics of this particular business.  It's legal, but wholly unethical without extinuating circumstances.

I'm super duper awesome

by hobobob on Mar 4, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How does it benefit the league?
As mentioned on ESPN last week with all the e-mails regarding the Sonics' situation, Seattle is the 14th largest media market in the US, with OKC in the 40's.  Not to mention that the Sonics are an established franchise with 41 years of history, something you can't fabricate.

I'm not feeling any "Sonic I-5 Love" (unless you're talking about Sonic's Country Fried Steak Toaster... mmmm...), but I do think it's a bad idea to rip a team from a dedicated fan base.  While a move to OKC may be good for Clay Bennett's wallet, it isn't good for the NBA.

Both Oden and Oprah endorsed Obama. Should we be concerned?

by GustyJ on Mar 3, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Sonics are losing money
or are projected to, what good does it's history do? History doesn't pay the rent. And why would the league be happy with unstable teams losing money just to stay where they are and keep doing the same?

Concerning markets, the Knicks are in one of the largest markets and are one of the MOST established franchises.............and are believed to be absolutely losing their asses financially. And that's good for the league?

by t jay on Mar 3, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle can be repaired
If Seattle isn't making money for the Sonics, they definately won't make more in relatively poor Okie City.  Seattle is a pretty wealthy town that has supported their Sonics for decades, and supported them financially in recent history as well.  The franchise has a MUCH better shot at making money (or breaking even) in Seattle than it ever will in Okie City, unless the NBA starts allowing chickens and dust as currency.

And as far as the Knicks, they make a ton of cash even with how much they waste.  That franchise is fine, economically, ignoring its inability to make much moves financially within the salary cap structure.  Obviously, the Knicks are a huge mess but they have the potential to make billions and are easily covered by the owners' deep pockets.

The NBA and its owners should want the franchises in the best cities possible; "best" being some combination of city size, devotion and interest of fanbase, and a population with disposable income.  Seattle blows OKC out of the water and it's in everyone involved in the NBA's best interest to have them stay there.  It's just another reason this whole thing makes no sense.

I know Bennett owns the Sonics, and in essence I believe a guy should do whatever he wants with what he owns.  BUT, emotionally speaking, sports and the attachment fans feel to their city's teams is a different beast.  The owner might pay for the players, but the fans are what gives the team life.  It is horribly unfair to rip a team away from a vibrant and devoted fanbase built of an entire city that has grown up with the Sonics.  Sports is a combination of business and irrational human emotions, and it's wrong to make it less than that.

The cities of Seattle and New York aren't the problems.  It's the "owner" of their respective teams.  You have stability there, you have successful franchises.  The instability is either by design or through incompetence.  With the Sonics, this instability is by design so that the city and its fans are soured on the team and the owner can sneak them out to a crappy market with another set of problems.  The market, the city, the fans are all just fine.

Evil and bad owners like Clay Bennett and Jamies Dolan are bad for the league.  There's zero reason the Sonics wouldn't be incredibly successful in Seattle (like they always have been) if the owner really wanted to do well in Seattle.  He's trying to tank the franchise, and that shouldn't be allowed.  It's evil.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Mar 4, 2008 1:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem
with your argument, is that they're not losing money because the fans don't care, they're losing money because of an incompetent front office and management system. You think a move to OKC is gonna solve that? It'll be interesting to see how much support the team gets in OKC once they realize how crappy of a team they have the novelty of "hosting" a team (due to mother nature) isn't there.

by iDea on Mar 4, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you wouldn't be saying that
if the Blazers were moving. I just pray they never do.

by Blazermaniac77 on Mar 3, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Water
Your argument holds none. The reasons he is moving the team is because the taxpayers of Seattle refused to pay out $500 million for a new stadium. If you're asking for tax payer dollars, you are no longer running a business, you are running a charity. That is what makes this moving of the sonics so ridiculous. Bill simmons has been giving this all good coverage on espn.com

by pritchforprez on Mar 4, 2008 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My Sonics Thoughts
I'm 28 years old.  Paul Allen is 55.  Assuming I don't die young, at some point I will see another owner of the Trailblazers.  I feel like I should just quit being a fan now to avoid having my heart ripped out sometime down the road.  If it wasn't for the fact that I stayed faithful through all of the Jailblazer years and feel like I've earned the coming good years, I might just do it now.

by Gargen on Mar 3, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I must be stupid
I just don't get this move. OK, yeah, the local governments haven't been as supportive as they could be -- they've decided to invest their funds in other areas. And the community could be more supportive -- what've the Sonics attendance figures been like?  Even though the team's record sucks, I'd go just to support Durant, Green and Presti (who's giving Pritchard competition in the young genius GM department).

But we're all aware of the problems a NBA franchise can have in a teensy market. I can't believe an owner really thinks he can make a long-term go of it in someplace as small, media-wise, as OKC. I'd love to see the business plan on this puppy.

David Stern, who ultimately represents the owners, seems resigned to this move. Tis sad that the Blazers will probably be the only team in the Northwest.

If I had tickets, I'd be joining the cause.

by Corvid on Mar 3, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Believe it or not
if I were given the power to choose whether to replace David Stern as NBA Commissioner or to replace Isiah as Coach/GM of the Knicks, I'd have to select Stern.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the tremendous contribution that Stern has made to this league. He was more or less singlehandedly responsible for saving the NBA back in the early '80s when he took charge of a league beleaguered with drug scandals, empty arenas and financially strapped franchises. Seizing upon the opportunity afforded by the entry of Bird and Magic into the league, Stern cleverly decided to make stars and personalities the focus of the NBA's marketing strategy.

It worked very well. Bird, Magic, then Jordan made people care about the NBA again. But the over-reliance on stars as a means to bolster the league's sagging fortunes turned out to be a Faustian bargain. Referees were soon loath to make any calls that might shorten the floor time of the marquee names who were bringing fans into the arena. The dreaded "star system" of officiating was born and has remained a hallmark of the David Stern era.

Like many of you, I have come to despise the way in which star treatment has bastardized the fundamental rules of the game. I love watching LeBron play, but whenever he takes four steps on the way to the hoop, I snort milk out my nose.  The star system has long since served its purpose. There are now more than enough people who love the sport on its own merits. The stars may have been responsible for bringing them back to the arena in the '80s, but many of those same fans want to see a competitive, fairly officiated game when they go to a game today. They care about teams again and inevitably wind up frustrated and angry when they watch their team lose to the Lakers after Kobe went to the line 27 times because the guy guarding him had halitosis.

Yes, the star system has outlived its usefulness but David Stern just can't let it go. It's how he consolidated his power as Commissioner and won the lasting gratitude of the owners. At this stage of his tenure, he's certainly not going to do anything other than what has brought him so much of his success.

Nevertheless, I've learned to live with the star system as a fact of life in the NBA. My hatred of it has never reached the point where I strongly felt that Stern needed to go. Yeah, a new Commissioner with a fresh perspective would be ducky but I enjoy the current NBA game - flawed as it is - well enough that I could have easily continued to live with the status quo.

But Stern's enabling of (or downright collusion with) his buddy Clay Bennett's brazen theft of the Sonics from Seattle has shoved me firmly into the "Stern Must Go" camp. Maybe there was nothing that Stern or the league could legally do to prevent Bennett from carrying out his heist. But he could have at least used his bully pulpit as Commish to publicly condemn this crime. Yet not only did Stern remain silent, he has apparently signed off on the deal with a wink and a nudge toward his pal, The Clayster.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and has irrevocably altered my perception of Stern. Formerly, I viewed him as something like a five term politician whose sclerotic policies while asphyxiating, fall short of being deadly. Now, I see him as a corrupt party machine boss whose toxic backroom dealings are in danger of fatally poisoning the lifeblood of the body politic - who, ironically in this case, are the very fans whose passion Stern had worked so hard to revive back in the 1980s.

by knickfan on Mar 3, 2008 10:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

David Stern is a putrid little troll
If I see him around town I'll be sure to spit on his wingtips.

by leeroyjenkins on Mar 4, 2008 7:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Barrett's Blog
States that he will have the commish on in the second quarter.  That would be a great time to start a Save the Sonics chant.  Maybe bombard Mike B. with questions he should ask the commish.

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/

by blazermaniac32 on Mar 4, 2008 8:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Battle in Seattle
We all know that Clay Bennett is robbing Seattle of its treasured team to drag it like stolen booty to persent to his hometown, where his courage and skill will be honored and sung by gods and men for generations.

Didn't Homer write an epic about this?

Where's Paris when you need him?

by MiledAnimal on Mar 4, 2008 10:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see
a response.  Someone was even kind enough to leave a comment on Barret's Blog about this thread.  As blazermaniac32 points out, Mike Barrett will have the Commisioner at the broadcast booth in the second quarter, so that would be the perfect time to attempt to get this chant going.  If you know anyone sitting in the section behind that broadcast boot, make sure to let them know.  Rememeber, the 10 minute mark of the second quarter.  Thanks for the help. I'll be doing my best to get it going in section 302.

by DrivetheLane on Mar 4, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good luck
Hope you have more success rousing the Rose Garden crowd than I had with my attempts to incite a "Fire Isiah" chant.

by knickfan on Mar 4, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Stern have the power....
to over-rule the ref's who for some reason wont make a call when the ball clearly goes over the backboard?

by bow4meow on Mar 4, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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