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On Razor-Thin Wins and Unrealistic Expectations

I've been reading a lot about expectations lately (all year, in fact) and most especially how some fans have unrealistic expectations. It got me thinking about how close many NBA games. So I took it into my head to examine our record in close games against San Antonio (as an undisputed winning, veteran, model team) and most especially examine what the press quotes are in these close games.

For this diary, let us define "razor thin games" as those that either finished in OT or were settled in regulation by 3 points or less. In examining this:

  1. What is Portland's record?
  2. Is our propensity for close games higher than others?
  3. Assuming these games are essentially a coin flip, are we too hard on ourselves in a loss...
  4. And are we too jubilant in a win?
So, the data.

According to what I can glean from ESPN.com, San Antonio has played in 14 razor-thin games and has a record of 8-6. Meanwhile, Portland has played in 16 razor thin games.

Already, this is intriguing: I don't regard that Portland, with its "immature" team, to show a significantly higher number of close games--irrespective of record--than the vaunted San Antonio. We like to say that good teams close out other teams and have a "killer instinct." Maybe, I guess, but it sure seems like San Antonio failed to close out as many games as Portland.

Let's move on. Portland's record in those 16 razor thin games was a phenomenal 13-3. Whoa! That's a significantly better record than San Antonio. Who has the killer instinct now? Sure, many of those games were during the winning streaks... but let's look at games after February 1. During that time, Portland's record in razor-thin games is 5-1. Still awesome! Not only does Portland not have a greater propensity for razor-thin games but they won far more of them than San Antonio.

Now, let's look at the press. Here are some quotes after the wins:

"Opponent was frustrated, needed to make something happen and we did it, our defense was better and we scored,"
"Intensity, six or seven guys played well"
"Able to get it, wasn't easy, patient, calm, believed in ourselves,
"They're a hot team, we're maturing, very confident,
"Luckily I was able to get it down, Portland made more plays,
"Defensively, we had no answer, tonight we got outscrapped, Toronto wanted it more, we've got to win these games, moral victories don't help too much"
"Perfect execution, made another big shot, Portland's bench outplayed us,"
"That's a very good Portland team, very well coached, disappointed with 1st half effort,"
"Cleveland rode a wave and got the win,"
"Made an unbelievable comeback, Offensively we were ragged and needed our guards,
"This was a tough game,
"We've got to fight through, Portland won but we had our chances down the stretch, we have to stay focused, I really don't see what Chicago could've done differently."
"Portland wouldn't be denied a win, we were fortunate tonight, we've got to grow up,"
"We've got a lot of guys who can make shots, we continue to improve, Aldridge made some huge plays,

Now some quotes after the losses:

"Defensively, we had no answer, tonight we got outscrapped, Toronto wanted it more, we've got to win these games, moral victories don't help too much"
"Perfect execution, made another big shot, Portland's bench outplayed us,"
"That's a very good Portland team, very well coached, disappointed with 1st half effort,"
"Cleveland rode a wave and got the win,"
"Made an unbelievable comeback, Offensively we were ragged and needed our guards,
"This was a tough game,"

I don't know what I expected here... but it seems like this team expects to win the close games, appears a bit upset to be in close games, and is really hard on itself when it loses close games. This is a team that expects to win.

So what's my point?

My point is this: Portland's not going to make the playoffs but I resist this notion that it's a lack of maturity or a lack of "killer instinct." My take from this--though we're only comparing to one other team so take it with at least one grain of salt--is that what we're missing is consistency and player fit. For some reason, this team is not able to win as many games as San Antonio when they're not razor-thin and that says to me something more like fatigue, or not following marching orders, or just not able to execute every night. Or, perhaps, inconsistent lineups.

Is that "maturity"? The inability to win consistently in the non razor-thin games? To execute every play perfectly? Maybe. What "maturity" doesn't appear to mean is the ability to play or execute under pressure.

I don't know what the real problem is. You tell me. But I think this points to something that it isn't.

In any event, I think we need to pay more attention to how good this team has performed in close situations.

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The problem I see
is that San Antonio doesn't have as many razor thin wins because they have more blowouts.  We'd need to look at the records and margin of victory in those games BESIDES the razor-thin ones.  When people say "lack of killer instinct" I think they usually are talking about inability to put teams away when they are up...which brings up another point:  not all of the razor-thin wins are positives.  Some of them we came from behind and/or battled all the way through the game but some of them we were actually up by double digits and lost that lead to make the margin razor-thin.  I don't know the stats or how big of a factor this plays, I'm just saying the number of thin-margin wins could be an indictment as well as a boost.

That said, I agree that when the Blazers think they have a chance to win or when it becomes an emotional, spark-filled affair and they're in it then they do a pretty darn good job of fighting it out and maybe even winning.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 28, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree with you...
They have more blowouts... or, more appropriately, they have more wins, period. That's a problem. But the fact that these razor-wthin wins exist in equal numbers, that surprised me. I would've expected a young team to find themselves in a whole bunch more of those. It doesn't bother me that they're coming back in some and giving up leads in others because that same thing is probably happening to San Antonio. That's what makes it interesting.

I'm with you on the fact that the Blazers seem to do better when it's emotional. Does that mean "maturity" and "killer instinct" is also "emotionless?"

Man, not sure I want that sort of team. I like my teams to get fired up.

I don't know. I don't know what that means. But I'm tempted to run back through the schedule and look up blowouts just to see.

What do you think a good threshold would be?

by Fizbin on Mar 28, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for crying out loud, Dave
Do you live here on the website? What're you doing responding so fast?!

by Fizbin on Mar 28, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard
He's tapped in like those folks in the Matrix movies.  I really don't have much else to add but wanted to give you a comment for all your hard work on this diary.
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by tominhawaii on Mar 28, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I Suppose I Could've Just Written...
... a trade Sergio and McRoberts for Chris Paul diary. But I feel like somewhere I've seen that one before.

by Fizbin on Mar 28, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
I don't think I've seen that combination yet.
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by tominhawaii on Mar 28, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is intruiging, though...
maybe New Orleans would throw in some Po' Boys? But they can keep Harry Connick Jr even if they offer him too

by PDXiled in DC on Mar 29, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blazers
have shown good poise in close games.  They don't get rattled and they usually get good looks at the rim.

When people, like me, say they don't have a "killer instinct" I think we are referring to the Blazers inability to blow out some of the lesser teams.  We've had a number of close games against bad teams this year, and while we've done a good job winning the majority of them, I'd rather see blowouts in our favor.

by jksnake99 on Mar 28, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Good poise"
I think the reality is closer to the fact that we have mostly two players (Travis Outlaw and Brandon Roy) who can "regain" poise in the 4th quarter. Most of these close games are a result of one quarter (usually the first or the third) in which we completely lose our poise and either let a bad team come back from a big deficit or get ourselves into a deficit that we have to extract ourselves from in the fourth quarter.

In summation:

4 quarters of good poise ≠ close game.

4 quarters of good poise = blowout win.

by Jumbo on Mar 28, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blow teams out, don't hold leads
All "killer instinct" problems I see are when we don't blow out a team much, much, much worse than us, or when we build our daily double digit first half lead and subsequently lose it and play a close game the rest of the way.  I can't remember the last game we didn't build a big lead only to lose it...

Perhaps the Seattle game?

I'm sure our guys will develop it as they become more talented and experienced, but they need to recognize that they can decapitate the team's spirit after building the double digit lead by not letting up, not PROTECTING the lead, but building on it.  No mercy, until the other team waves the white flag.  Then you can be nice, play the scrubs, and go easy.

In close games, I always like our chances.  We got a few players who seem to always play very well when it really matters, and some teams look for years for that kind of player.  Because of this, we've won a lot of close games that we perhaps deserved to lose because we blew a big lead or allowed ourselves to get down by double digits.  It's nice that our guys can be counted on to pull the close games out, but when it is always happening because we're just making things harder on ourselves, we become open to criticism.  Thus, no killer instinct.

Over time, I think this "problem" will fade away.  We'll still win close ones against good teams, and easily win the games we are supposed to win.  Just takes experience.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Mar 28, 2008 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Instincts
I think what we've got could better be described as a good "survival instinct". I think that's probably a first step on the way to having a "killer instinct".

by Jumbo on Mar 28, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another possibility:
"Killer Instinct" (at least in the NBA basketball sense) isn't instinctive at all.  It has to be learned.

If this is true we have to crawl before we can walk.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 28, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeh the instinct is to survive
but the tendency to let off the gas is the another instinct and that one has to be overcame by learning. Learning to go ahead and throttle the opponent when you have the chance.

by 92wastheyear on Mar 29, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something else that needs to be considered
Is who are the razor games against?  I haven't taken the time to look at the old scores, but I would be willing to bet that most of the razor games we have won are not against the same level of competition as the teams the Spurs edged out in close ones.

We might have an impressive stat when it comes to razor wins, but it seems to me that at least two of those were against Seattle, and another one or two against Minnesota....Not something I would go around boasting about.

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by silkybrown on Mar 29, 2008 2:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Question:
Wed, Nov 7 New Orleans W 93-90
Fri, Nov 23 Sacramento W 87-84
Mon, Dec 3 @ Memphis W 106-105
Sun, Dec 9 Milwaukee W 117-113 OT
Fri, Dec 21 Denver W 99-96
Thu, Jan 3 @ Chicago W 115-109 OT
Sun, Jan 13 @ Toronto L 109-116 OT
Mon, Jan 21 @ Atlanta W 111-109 OT
Sun, Jan 27 Atlanta W 94-93
Wed, Jan 30 Cleveland L 83-84
Fri, Feb 1 NY Knicks W 94-88 OT
Mon, Feb 4 Denver L 103-105 OT
Wed, Feb 6 Chicago W 100-97
Wed, Feb 27 @ LA Clippers W 82-80
Fri, Mar 7 @ Milwaukee W 103-101
Sat, Mar 8 @ NY Knicks W 120-114 OT

Just looking over the teams, they seem to be about half of the eastern conference.

Although, I think the original point still stands: I'm very surprised that we had about the same number of razor games (16) as San Antonio (14).

by Fizbin on Mar 29, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And so here we go for Sandy Auntie (the Spoors):
Wed, Oct 31    @ Memphis    W 104-101
Wed, Dec 19    @ Memphis    L 85-88   
Thu, Jan 3    @ Denver    L 77-80
Mon, Jan 7    @ Golden State    L 121-130 OT
Thu, Jan 17    Cleveland    L 88-90
Sat, Jan 19    @ Houston    L 81-83

Thu, Jan 24    @ Miami    W 90-89
Tue, Jan 29    @ Seattle    L 85-88
Thu, Jan 31    @ Phoenix    W 84-81

Fri, Feb 8    @ NY Knicks    W 99-93 OT
Thu, Feb 21    @ Minnesota    W 100-99
Thu, Feb 28    Dallas    W 97-94
Sat, Mar 1    @ Milwaukee    W 96-94

Mon, Mar 17    Boston    L 91-93

One thing that jumped out to ME (in the process of unearthing the scores)
is the three pairs of back-to-back games (in bold), with travel in between every time.

The other thing that jumps out, more obviously AFTER being listed, is how many of the close games are on the road.
So if you're a Spoors season ticket holder, you don't get to see very many close games,
just a close win over the Mavs and close losses to the Sell-Tix and the LeBrons.
That's three great matches mixed into dozens of yawners. Poor fans.

And,of course, the quality of opponent ain't so hot, ESPECIALLY away from those three home nail-biters.
BOTH Memphis visits; the only road visits to the Nix,Heat, and Bucks; and one visit each to Seattle and the TimberPuppies!

Guess what? As per the standings right now, those are SIX OF THE SEVEN WORST TEAMS IN THE ASSOCIATION!
Except for the Paper Clips, in nine trips to the house of an NBA scrub, Sandy Auntie got a real contest SEVEN TIMES!

That's . . . that's just astounding.
I mean, WHOA.

Did you really put stuff on top of the eggs? Like, for real? He put . . . HE PUT THE LIGHT BULBS ON THE BOTTOM!

by QualityPie on Mar 29, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh--and for what it's worth . . .
 . . . they only had one road trip against the Paper Clips.

So when visiting the seven worst teams in the NBA, the defending champs struggled seven times out of ten.
THAT doesn't bode well for them in the playoffs, when they play the very best teams in the NBA.

Right now, they're tied with the Nyallins Hornies at the top of the West, half a game ahead of Houston and a game up on LaLa.
Think home court advantage is going to be a big deal for Duncan & Co.?

Did you really put stuff on top of the eggs? Like, for real? He put . . . HE PUT THE LIGHT BULBS ON THE BOTTOM!

by QualityPie on Mar 29, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is astounding...
I don't even know what to say. Why are they involved in such close games with such lousy teams? Just not taking people seriously?

(I like that: "spoors")

by Fizbin on Mar 29, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If everyone else is beating the Spurs...
Why can't we? :-(

I think not being motivated or up for the game is the biggest culprit in the Spores caper.  They're just waiting for the playoffs to happen, probably to Pop's chagrin.

They've been playing well lately, perhaps once it sunk in that they could easily fall out of the playoff race if they keep laying steaming rice turds when they play the lottery teams.  This isn't a year a vet team like the Spurs can waltz into the playoffs and then start the intensity...

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Mar 29, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully because
we are not as bad as those 7 teams! I think the Spurs know they have to play to beat us. Not so much the others. As I remember, Coach Pop seemed to say early in the season they need to rest more this year before the playoffs. So we did not qualify as a team that they could rest with.

It would be interesting to see the minutes Duncan played in those losses against his season average.

by lee3022 on Mar 30, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
QualityPie puts more effort into a comment than I put into a diary.  I guess it's because I frequently shoot from the hip.  Most likely the reason I often miss the mark.  
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by tominhawaii on Mar 29, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Blow-Outs: We're 4-8 in those...
Here are "blow-out" wins, which I've arbitrarily set at 15pts or better.

Sun, Dec 30 Philadelphia W 97-72
Wed, Jan 9 Golden State W 109-91
Mon, Jan 14 @ New Jersey W 99-73
Tue, Mar 25 Washington W 102-82

And Losses:

Tue, Oct 30 @ San Antonio L 97-106
Fri, Nov 2 @ New Orleans L 93-113
Wed, Nov 14 @ Denver L 93-110
Sat, Nov 17 @ Washington L 90-109
Sun, Dec 2 @ San Antonio L 79-100
Wed, Jan 23 @ New Orleans L 81-96
Wed, Feb 13 @ Dallas L 76-96
Thu, Mar 27 @ Golden State L 95-111

Unfortunately, I notice at first blush that we're getting blown out by division/conference rivals.

by Fizbin on Mar 29, 2008 7:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

some of those losses make me blush as well
but notice they are road losses all

by PDXiled in DC on Mar 29, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point!
Now that makes some sense... "mature" teams are able to handle the travel and the adversities of the road and avoid those sorts of losses.

I know we've heard that before but it's nice to see it in the data.

by Fizbin on Mar 29, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa whoa WHOA--that first Sandy Auntie loss.
That's nine points, certainly less than fifteen.
Sure, in reality it WAS a blowout, and should've been more than 15 by the end, but we made it closer at the end.

4-7 in blowouts, baby! Yeah!

Did you really put stuff on top of the eggs? Like, for real? He put . . . HE PUT THE LIGHT BULBS ON THE BOTTOM!

by QualityPie on Mar 29, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...
... that's must my English Major Math coming out.

by Fizbin on Mar 29, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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