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(super)Stars win Championship? Nope

We've heard that line a million times: it takes a superstar to win a championship.  This just doesn't seem true to me.  Sure, they're usually there, but there's superstars all over the place that have yet to win.  Think Kidd, McGrady, Kobe -Shaq and roles, Garnett, Nash, Malone, Stockton.  Now, think of the Superstars that have won: Kobe +Shaq, Shaq, Duncan, Wade.  What about the Pistons?  There's no discernible Superstar on that team.  Sheed could have been, but he's not.  Billups isn't.  The supers that won championships also happened to have freaking awesome backup role players.  Do the lakers win in 2000 without Horry and that umentionable greasy haired guy?  I don't think so.  Saying a superstar wins championships is like saying a light bulb lights a room; it's apparently true but relies on other necessary conditions.  THe room has to reflect the light otherwise there's nothing to see.  A superstart can't win a championship by themself just like a light bulb can't light a room without reflection.  But the room can relfect light from other sources jsut like a team full of role players (the pistons, very good ones of course) can win a championship.

Stars shine bright, but they don't win championships.  They win dunk contests! TEAMS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.  The consistent factor in winnning it all is that your team OVERALL is very good.  Superstars may raise the ability levels of the other players, but those other players need to make shots like Horry at the buzzer.  Look at what Miami did to their roster.  They kept the supes but lost the roles.  How're they doing?  Shaq didn't even feel like playing for them after that.  

The reason I'm posting this is because I've heard it said that we don't have a superstar and that we need Greg to be that.  How many of you think this is true?  Do we really need someone to take over the game?  Do bail us out?  Seems like we have that potential already.  Why do we need someone that draws all the media attention, makes flashy plays, whines, makes those dumb "I'm a badass face" a la LeBron?  Why is that important if we have a higher total level of talent and desire?

A team leader is different from a supe.  A leader inspires players, makes them practice harder, play harder.  A supe may be that, but it's not necessary.  Duncan and Garnett are both leaders, but Garnett is an unbearable jerkwad while Duncan is surreptitiously whiny but couth.  Do we need leadership or stardom?

This is kind of a rant, as pride in the NBA is at an utterly unjustifiable level.  A superstar like LeBron would be much better to be proud of an accomplishment like winning a championship rather than is affinity for the Yankees, his privelledged lifestyle and relationship with an equally hubristic rapper.  I hate superstars.  I'm a hater.  I said it.

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agreed
San Antonio is an example.  Timmy D is arguably a super star, but he has no rings without Parker, Ginobli and supporing cast. Role players that step up in clutch situations win championships.  Ginobli illustrates this like Rembrandt paints.

by blindnil on Mar 21, 2008 3:31 PM PDT   0 recs

What about '99?
Timmy won the title hand in hand with David Robinson and little else.

Kind of fun to remember those two in the middle together (especially defensively) and draw parallels to Oden and Aldridge.

by Devenex on Mar 21, 2008 4:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A Superstar with stars
It may not take multiple Superstars, but it does take multiple stars.  You need atleast 2 and preferably 3 stars and role players around them.  The role players are important but replaceable.  Even Detroit the year the won the championship had 3 stars (when Sheed place with desire he is a star).  Then look at the history, SA/LA/Chicago/Houstan/Boston/LA, all had multiple stars on the team.  Role players bring toughness, play good D and hit open shots, but the stars are what wins the rings.

We know who the stars are, but if you look at our current line up, the role players that will help take us to the next level are Pritz, Jones, Outlaw.  They have the mental toughness to step up when it counts most, the others are still unknown.

There are those players that can play great on bad teams, but will not help win championships, Zbo comes to mind.  The can fill the stat sheet, and will single handed win 20% of the games but will never take the next step.  I see a couple of our players that could potentially fall into the catagory.

by lonevoiceofreason on Mar 21, 2008 3:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Best Diary Ever
All fired up, thoughtful, well written, and no cussing.  Bravo, my cousin.

by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

At least I'm here,
to offer a uninspired, ignorant, substandard response while cursing a blue streak that would make long-shoremen embarrassed.
"I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled." -P.G. Wodehouse

by T Darkstar on Mar 21, 2008 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And who cannot apparently use the correct article.
The, a and an should always be used appropriately.
"I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled." -P.G. Wodehouse

by T Darkstar on Mar 21, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is why I´m learning English here.
A gatherins of sheperds, and one dead sheep.

by amlmart1 on Mar 25, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Roy, Oden Aldridge will become superstars.
Not because they will be the MVP, but because they win championships, that is what truly makes stars.

by raging WebTed on Mar 21, 2008 11:23 PM PDT   0 recs

I'd disagree
Detroit seems like the exception to me.  Here is a list of all previous NBA champions as far back as I know what I'm talking about and their superstar.

  1. Spurs - Tim Duncan
  2. Heat - Dwayne Wade *
  3. Spurs - Tim Duncan
  4. Pistons - None
  5. Spurs - Tim Duncan
  6. L*kers - Mamba/The Big Elbow
  7. L*kers - Mamba/The Big Elbow
  8. L*kers - Mamba/The Big Elbow
  9. Spurs - Tim Duncan/David Robinson
  10. Bulls - Duh
  11. Bulls - Duh
  12. Bulls - Duh
  13. Rockets - Hakeem Olajuwon
  14. Rockets - Hakeem Olajuwon
  15. Bulls - Duh
  16. Bulls - Duh
  17. Bulls - Duh
  18. Pistons - Isiah Thomas
  19. Pistons - Isiah Thomas
  20. L*kers - Magic
  21. L*kers - Magic
  22. Celtics - Bird
  23. Lakers - Magic
  24. Celtics - Bird
  25. Sixers - Julius Erving
  26. L*kers - Magic/Kareem
  27. Celtics - Bird
  28. L*kers - Magic/Kareem

* I consider Tim Duncan easily one of the top 3 power forwards of all time and a no brainer for superstar status, but some people consider him only "arguably a super star"... if that's not good enough we can all agree he's a shoe-in first ballot HoF right?  Isn't that good enough for superstar status?

** May not live up to superstar status by the end of his career, but he was during the playoffs that year even if only by will of the whistle

That's one exception (maybe two) in 27 years.  The only reason the Pistons were able to buck the trend is because all five of their starters were quality stars, and their strengths/weaknesses matched and covered for each other absolutely perfectly (that could be a whole other lengthy post of its own).

by Gargen on Mar 21, 2008 11:39 PM PDT   0 recs

stupid auto format
Bleh, the asterisks I put in bolded the heat instead of single asterisking Duncan and double asterisking Wade.

by Gargen on Mar 21, 2008 11:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1994 Rockets also
had Drexler.2 superstars

by 92wastheyear on Mar 22, 2008 8:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Look
you can talk about roll players if the blazers will win 60 games and be close to a champion. But before that happens you have to have stars, because what good if we have good roll players, but our stars cant win games to take us to the playoffs. I understand that we are young, but good roll players will come to the taem, if the team is in position to win the title.

by RipCity on Mar 24, 2008 6:13 PM PDT   0 recs

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