First Blush
Since this is the first day of the NCAA Tournament, let us spend the day talking draft for the first time officially. And mind you, there's good reason to do it now. Every year a few players do well in the tournament which sends their stock skyrocketing among fans (far more so than among scouts and GM's usually). In another couple of weeks our minds are going to be contaminated with the latest tourney stars. Before that happens I want your relatively pristine opinions.
Let's take two eventualities:
- If Portland ends up in the most likely spot, which looks to be around 13 at this point, who would you be looking at?
- Let's say the Blazers get extremely lucky again and end up with the 3rd pick in the draft. Who would you want then and why?
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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at 3, assuming beasley goes first and rose goes second, i'd say take bayless.
by DominicanAvenger on Mar 20, 2008 1:51 AM PDT reply actions
i know
but if he has a strong tourney he could rocket up, and skillset-wise i think he would be a good fit
by DominicanAvenger on Mar 20, 2008 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Westbrook
Also, from the looks of him, he plays good, physical defense, something we definitely need at the point. (um, and the post, but that's another story)
Arizona
- At 13, I do like DJ Augustin (Texas) if he falls that far (Coach Self at KU says Augustin is the best guard in the country). Budinger is an immense talent that would provide immediate dividends even though he is a SG/SF. He may be the best athlete in the draft. He has excellent lateral quickness and speed and is a leaper.
- Bayless is impressive as well. He projects at 3rd pick. I would rather have a more experienced PG if we take a PG. The third pick is not unlike last year when there were two top players (maybe not as good) and the 3rd pick is a bigger drop. If I were praying for another miracle 1 or 2 might be the better requests (smile).
I am not a fan of DeAndre Jordon, Brook Lopez, Anthony Randolph of the bigs and any guard with less than 3 years in college (maybe except for Rose). I don't know that we need another project in a player who is more potential than production.
Don't know about Love. His outlet passes and rebounding might change much of the team's style and his playing on the white unit for us could be dynamite.
Finally who we draft might influence Rudy's decision to come to the NBA. Augustin would be a nice complement without playing with the style and size that might threaten Rudy's minutes.
I think Brook Lopez is pretty good
Probably right
In the same league Kevin Love as a freshman has 56% and 10.6 rebounds.
Kevin Love...
Bleh
by il serpente on Mar 20, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything but point guard
Point Guard
An upper tier pointguard is better than the scraps we've been drafting. The finland kid may be good, but we'll see how that goes.
If we don't get scraps but actually can get some steak, I say go for it. I don't know about the draft, but lets say there's a chris paul and he's available at three or a deron williams at four... do we really pass that up?
It might slow us down one year (maybe), but we could leep off the planet the next.
Then again, I'm not sure a rookie point would develop under Nate because he seems to not let rookies play so much with the exception of brandon.
Then again... brandon was and is very good.
I submit Memphis as a case study
Mike Conley was drafted 3rd in the 2007 draft after 1 year in college. He has played in 37 of 66 games and in those games has averaged 4.3 assists in 26 minutes shooting 41% (27% from 3).
Javaris Crittendon was acquired from LAL in the Pau Gasol trade this year after being drafted 19th in the 1st round of the 2007 draft. Javaris has played in 17 games in Memphis averaging 0.9 assists in 16 minutes shooting 38% (17% from 3).
Juan Carlos Navarro was acquired by trade this summer and signed from Washington and has played in 66 games averaging 2.2 assists in 27 minutes and shooting 41% (37% from 3).
Kyle Lowery was drafted in 2006 with the 24th pick 1st round and has played in 66 games averaging 3.6 assists in 25 minutes shooting 41% (24% from 3).
Of course Memphis is terrible and maybe because they have no point guard with experience in the NBA (except Navarro has European experience) or that can shoot. With 4 new point guards what do they do this summer?
My opinion is that a point guard needs at least 4 years after HS to become good in the NBA and then only a few get there by then. Acquiring a project can only get your superstar PO'd. Koby knows it takes that long and maybe was tired of two years in a row drafting young point guards when he went off last summer. Conley is at least as good as all but maybe Rose in this year's draft but will take more time to get there. Since Jack (3.9) and Blake (4.8) both average more assists than any of Memphis' PG how are we going to get better by drafting a Freshman PG?
agreed
by Ben Golliver on Mar 20, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
A starter on the roster
After that, the best Power Forward available, like Hickson or Taj Gibson. Those two guys will make an inpact in the NBA.
I wouldn't even
I don't know if there's one in this draft
It seems to me that part of the story is not just young point guards, but young point guards who were also drafted late in the first round. This happened for a reason. You might expect someone drafted in the 20's to be more of a project, which I think we've kind of forgotten that Jarrett and Sergio (and Petteri, for that matter) are. There have been point guards drafted high who have acclimated and produced fairly quickly. Is this something people would consider?
--Dave
At the PG spot only....
Nathan Jawai
by Steve The Hedge on Mar 20, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head.
Jack:
27min
9.4pts
4ast
2to
2.5reb
.8st
44%fg
32%3pt
SG/PG average in rookie year
27.25min
10.56pts
4.8ast
1.87to
2.9reb
1.13st
41%fg
30%3pt
These include:
Conley
Foye
Paul
Williams
Felton
Livingston
Gordon
Harris
Hinrich
Ford
not even including Roy.
All players we have discussed trading for. Like you said a 20+pick ala Sergio, Jack, Kopo and even Blake are more projects/roleplayers as opposed to a top 10 PG/SG. With this draft filled with a LOT of great PG/SGs ala Mayo, Gordon, Rose, Bayless, in the upper echelon and Westbrook, Agustin and Lawson, coming in in the second tier the draft is stacked with PGs.
To me the arguement that we do not need to get younger is not as strong, as we can get a top 10 PG/SG and plug them in to the lineup with Jacks minutes and have similar results with a much higher ceiling than Jack and with Rudy and Oden integrating into the lineup next year will again be a developing year and then see what happens with the cap space plan in the summer 2009 and then the 2009 season will be the one for the dominance to start.
Where Kyle Korver happens.
by SpyderRyder on Mar 20, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Prediction time:
Yep, you can book it (I think).
Trade
The fact is, we have a roster full of young guys we're developing as it is, plus we have a ton of draft picks this year as well. I'm thinking we can leverage those, and a player or two for an established PG or big.
lock-down perimeter defender
i agree with braille
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyler-Smith-1180/
good defender, rebounder, passer, and can even drive to the basket! i think he would be the perfect swingman to compliment brandon roy.
if we got the #3 pick, i would jump at derrick rose in the unlikely event he dropped to 3. if not, jerryd bayless would be an interesting idea. most teams have a short point guard and taller shooting guard. the blazers could do just the opposite. have the 6'6 roy run the point and have bayless act as the shooting guard. reading about bayless, it seems as if there are questions about his ability to run the point, but no question as to his scoring ability.
but i really like tyler smith
PGS
- Westbrook.
- Rose or Bayless, whoever is still available.
by OregonDuckworth on Mar 20, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions
pg/sf
I've seen Arizona play a few times this year since my wife is Tucson. Both Budinger and Bayless have a lot of talent but both seem lost at times and often underachieve. Maybe this has to do with Lute Olsen being out this year but I'd be leary of taking either Arizona player.
I can't really answer
That makes me convinced we are going to see at least one trade, possibly more. We might trade the pick(s), or we might trade players, or we might trade some of both. If we trade players, then who gets traded, and who we acquire, has a great impact on who we should draft.
For instance, if we trade Frye, Outlaw, and Jack for Devin Harris, we have to draft big. If we trade Frye, Jack, and NY's 2nd round pick for a strong power forward, we'll be drafting a PG.
Too many variables to guess right now. If there's no trade, we'll probably be drafting a Euro.
This isnt really relavant
And since we will end up with #13 or so, i dont think we want another project. We shouldnt take Westbrook even though he is good at D, he doesnt really have that much potentiall besides his crazy dunks witch he wouldnt be able to do very often in the NBA.
How we would end up with the 3rd pick
--Dave
Cold hard cash...
How in the world
Hansboro
POWER FORWARD ONLY!!!
Need somebody who is big enough, proficient enough, and has the right attitude to be a rebounder in the NBA. That might be Love, but I'll bet he doesn't last to the 13 slot...
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Everyone, use some KP logic
-A pick in 1-3, then it is either
- Draft a pg (rose, mayo, etc). Most of them seem to be can't miss projects, so the real question is which appears to have the best chemistry with the team. Most should be able to create for themselves/others and play "D" in a year or two. We all cry for Deron and Paul, but the next big pg is in this draft.
- Trade the pick (and other stuff if necessary) for a superstar pg/sf. Picks 1-3 are worth a lot, so a rebuilding team with one star could be very interested.
- I see us trading this for veteran experience. The draft has talent, but we have talent with players who are showing a good work ethic and a team with chemistry. Find a way to get another JJ33 piece, decent player with all the tricks.
- If no one wants to give us the player we want, then pick for the pg spot again. Augustin from Texas should be available and his game is solid.
-SG is locked up (unless Rudy doesn't come over)
-SF has way too much potential (If Outlaw or Martell gets "it" we'll win championships for a decade straight...and they work hard with offsetting strengths on offense. As for defense...work in progress)
-As for bigs, see Oden, LMA, Joel, Frye (he sucks, but put him on the floor next to Oden for spacing), Raef, and McRob (nearly the Kevin Love of Duke, just not quite as good). The bigs are set unless we can find a sucker for Frye.
Westbrook is not a PG !
game, you would know he's a SG/Wing man. He's
tremendously athletic and very good defensively,
but dosen't have the ball handling ability or
pass first mentality that Collison (PG) has
shown consistantly.
Collison is 6' - 6'1" and 170. He's not
as big as some PG's, but he is a dynamo on
defense. He is a junior who has been to two
final fours with a very good team (pressure)
and a defensive minded coach. His stamina,
defensive pressure, steals and ability to
break down defenders with the right or left
hand (Nice crossover as well) is exactly what
type of point guard we need playing along side
BRoy.
Everyone knows that our point guards
(Blake, JJ & Sergio) have been getting torched
on drives by the Chris Paul's, Steve Nash's
and even the Earl Watson's of the NBA. Blake
and Jack are just not quick enough to defend
the Tony Parker type quick point guards. Even
though our defense will be better with GO
next year, he will get into foul trouble if
we don't address the top of the key perimeter
defense. I think Collison can get stronger with time in the weight room and shooting can improve
with practice. For now, we need perimeter
defense, another ball handling slasher that can
get inside his defender, leadership and team
play/pass first types of players. Collison
should be available at around 13-14. If not
trade a couple of the 2nd rounders to move up a
couple of spots.
With a 2nd round pick, I would like to see
the Blazers pick up a Paul Milsap type PF. We
need a bruiser to take up some of the slack
on the boards and inside play to make up for
Travis and Frye who are both SOFT. Travis could
play more SF, depending on the matchups.
I know a lot of people don't like him
No Mayo on this sandwich
People WAKE UP! No team is going to trade a very good PG to anyone, and the really good ones are so rare that the owners will match any offer in free agency to keep them. The good PG's that we want are already on championship teams, why would they want to leave?
You find a good PG in the draft, with potential, good work ethic, mature, experience, From a championship college...Collison-UCLA
I know he showed a lot arrogance in
the guy is a hell of a player
also he may turn out to be more of a 2 in the NBA
by DominicanAvenger on Mar 21, 2008 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions
at the same time
by DominicanAvenger on Mar 21, 2008 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Read this post
and your view will change. Dont make blank statements without researching who he really is. I was the biggest Mayo opponent, but the more I looked, the more I found that he is the consumate team player and would be a great fit next to Roy.
Great on ball D
Better 3pt% 40.8% than most top 10 picks with more made 3pters than Bayless, Gordon, and Collison and Rose put together.
He has had some turnover problems but if you have watched a USC game most of the time the play is, "Pass the ball aroung for 30sec then put all the players in the corners and let Mayo bail us out" so one of three things happen 1. Mayo tries to get the shot off before the buzzer goes off, driving into a 5 on 1 situaiton, he pulls up for a 3 moving away from the basket with 2 people on him, or he turns it over. There is not a lot he can do with only 5 sec on the shot clock and no off ball movement from his teammates.
With Roy all he will have to do is bring the ball down the court and playoff Roy. Hit some open 3 pters, and play lights out D on Paul, Williams, Parker, etc.
Where Kyle Korver happens.
I agree with you.
Love at 13
Think Kp
Remember the NY trade that landed us Frye and a second rounder? That's what gave us Rudy and Jones.
He could take our #13 pick and turn it into a #6ish pick.
We have a huge expiring contract (LaFrenz) sprinkle in the PDX pu-pu platter [JJ+Frye+Jones(maybe Sergio)+3 2nd rounders] we could get a pretty high pick. Now with the players/salary exceptions he has from the initial trade he makes the move for what he really wants.
Not saying it's probable, but if he sees the player we need in the draft he'll make some very strange moves that will get us what he wants in the grand scheme of things.
Second, I think he'll buy or trade for another late first rounder. For that pick I think he should find a way to grab Tyler Hansbrough. He's not going to be a star in the NBA but he is one of the best, if not the best, players in College Basketball.
He's not ranked very high because he lacks athletic ability. I feel like a lot of GMs go for broke when they draft, trying to get that 1 diamond in the rough that turns his star potential into actual star production. TH doesn't have that potential, but he is going to have an impact right away in the NBA.
He can rebound, he has good footwork, and a decent jumper. Plus he's tough and has a lot of heart.
If Hansbrough is not available, go for Love.
Thing I don't like about love is that he's very bloated weight-wise. He's not going to last long in the nba at his 255, he's waaaay too slow. Love's size let's him be very effective in college, but when he is in the NBA against quick strong forwards he'll be very ineffective.

Oh and a reminder
If you are out of the Portland area you can stream live by clicking the link on the top right hand side.
http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/kp-on-courtside-tonight.html

I'm waiting for that broadcast
MB's blog
I think he's waiting for the UCLA - Mississippi Valley State Game.
Whadda ya think. Were is KP at?
To be revealed on "Court Side" tonight.

"The Team with Caricature!"
by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 20, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
DC
Was revealed on "Court Side" tonight.

"The Team with Caricature!"
by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 20, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
really?
I mean, we should be spending lottery picks on guys whos MAX OUT is coming off the bench.
We know Oden is our #5.
We know Aldridge is our PF.
We know Roy is our SG/SF.
These things we know. Beyond that, we need a PG, and either a real, front line shooter (A guy who could be a Ray Allen type), or a solid SF (ie, Outlaw when/if he max's out)
But if we pick Love, the BEST he could do is sit on the bench. Behind Oden. Behind Przybilla. Maybe behind Frye.
No Dice, mang.
Think KP
It is pretty certain that Brandon Roy is the Blazers' de facto point guard of the future, no matter that he has the letters SG after his name in the starting lineup. The only thing that Roy lacks as a point guard is the ability to stay with a Tony Parker or a Leandro Barbosa on a quick move. The only player in the draft who has that specific defensive potential is Darren Collison.
But Phoenix has been a compliant trade partner, so why not Barbosa himself as a trade target? Rather than seeking a player who can defend him, make defense of Barbosa the problem of a Blazers opponent.
If I were in KP's seat, though, the player who would intrigue me the most is Corey Brewer of the T-wolves. Minnesota needs help everywhere, and may well be receptive to a multi-player trade for one player that the team now considers a building-block. My guess is that Minnesota would let Brewer go for a top-ten draft pick (if the Blazers are that lucky in the lottery) plus LaFrentz's expiring contract, and one player who has upside and whom it would raise Jermaine memories to trade away: say, Martell.
Martell was a #6 overall pick and Brewer was a #6 overall pick; Minnesota easily could rationalize letting Brewer go as a #6 for a #6, if it got significant frosting on the cake; a big expiring contract plus plus a top ten pick would be nice frosting if the trade could be engineered to fit within the cap rules.
by monkeysuncle on Mar 20, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's nuts.
by howlingfantods on Mar 20, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Corey Brewer!?
He's currently ranked 20th in Rookies on ESPN.

There is talk of trading this years pick(s)
Look at our former 1st top 10 picks. Webster doesnt count as he was from HS, but look at the players that we could of gotten tha had gone to college, Felton, Williams, or Paul.
The next year we got LMA and Roy, both of whom came in and were able to provide a lot, however LMA was injured coming into the season and was a little late coming to the party.
We cant say anything about last years pick but #1 overalls tend to have a BIG impact on their teams.
What I am trying to say is that, this is the last year that we will have a lotto pick for the next century.
I say that we try to package our 2009, 10 or 11 picks to try to move up and grab a top 10 pick. The 2009+ picks will likely be in the 15+ and will be backups or projects at best, headcases or delinquents at worst. This draft should have a lot of good PG/SGs that would be great next to Roy and we should package perhaps:
Jack
13th
09 1st top 3 protected
$3mill
for the
#5, 6 or 7
cap filler
or
Jack
$3mill
13th
09 1st top 3 protected
11 1st top 3 protected
for
#2, 3
The second is not likely to happen but I would throw as many 1sts in the next couple of years to collect more talent right now.
We have 1 more year to add young talent and then the bus is full. We can stand adding one more young talent but we do not need more talent 2 years from now or even 4 years from now.
Where Kyle Korver happens.
If we got #3 I would trade up with Memphis
If we got #13 I would trade it for a 2010 1st rounder from either Miami or Seattle, or a 2011 1st rounder from Boston (all non-top 3 protected for that year only).
To get up to #2:
If we got #3 the most likely odds are that Miami will be #1 and Memphis #2. Since Memphis doesn't need another young point guard (they've got Crittendon and Conley, they could slide to #3 and still get the guy they want, probably a SG like Bayless or Mayo. What else does Memphis want?
As evidenced by the Gasol trade, they want good, cheap, young talent or expiring contracts. They've got PGs, with Gay and Warrick at the F spots, Mike Miller at SG, and Darko at C.
If they want to get rid of Miller's contract, we could do #3 pick + Raef + Martell + 2nd round pick for #2 pick Miller + Collins.
Raef & Martell would expire next year for Memphis (or they can hang on to Martell). They get rid of Miller's contract, too.
We get an expiring contract next year (to partially make up for Raef) in Collins and a good SF shooter in Miller. If we don't want him, KP has all year to trade him, or trade him after the season is over, to stick to the '09 cap space plan.
Westbrook
Westbrook would fit well with Roy--I wouldn't want him running the offense on many other teams, but Roy's unique skill set would work well with his game. Also, the guy's a ridiculous athlete. Check out this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XGzllXpnBf8
Keep in mind he's 6'3"--imagine Jack or Blake trying to throw down like that.
by il serpente on Mar 20, 2008 11:24 PM PDT reply actions
Oh, check this out too
The guy can get up there. I'm really hoping KP has his eye on him...
by il serpente on Mar 20, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a prediction
It depends on who they draft
Just for fun
First off, under the current collective bargaining agreement there is somewhere around a 0.01% chance we're going to get a special PG through free agency. The likelihood of someone trading us that same PG is perhaps 0.02% given that you can count all terrific NBA PGs on less than 2 hands. I'm with KP, I think you need a very good to great PG to win rings.
We've got so much young talent at this stage, I think you've got to roll the dice and try to get that special PG at #3. If he doesn't pan out, you've still got a ton of young talent to continue building the team around and if he does, that's a huge step towards a championship. I think you've got to look real long and hard at one of these guys with good size and exceptional speed - I like Rose but there are several with big upside.
At 13 you could be a little more flexible and take the best available PG, try to fill that lockdown defensive 3, or address our lack of inside toughness and rebounding. Normally I would think BPA first with a lottery pick but a Hansborough may not be a bad option with a good motor, banger, and rebounder off the bench.
he's probably not coming out right now
guy could be a decent fit as well...
by DominicanAvenger on Mar 21, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions

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