I think we need to trade to get Randolph back

by Scorcho on Feb 26, 2008 10:54 AM PST

Big men that can create their own shot off the dribble are a valuable commodity in the NBA. The sweet crossover, the ability to go after loose balls, the basketball IQ to know and sense when the shot clock is under 9 seconds... it's all tough to find in one player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tc

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If we gonna get a tough nut...

...I think John West is a good prospect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOpKFPEah3E

"You, my friend, are an enigma" (einman77)

by amlmart1 on Feb 26, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions

Naaah.

Trade Freeland!

by rockingharder on Feb 26, 2008 1:40 PM PST reply actions

This cracked me up

and to think I almost rolled my eyes and didn't even read this diary.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 26, 2008 2:24 PM PST reply actions

You're kidding, right?

"Ime caught the guy in mid-air with a fist and calmly continued his dispatching of oncoming people." -Gabe Muoneke

by hurryup09 on Feb 26, 2008 4:00 PM PST reply actions

Create his shot off the dribble?

This link begs to differ.

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/02/zach-randolph-and-worst-possession-i.html

Brandon Roy is so good, even when he tries to miss a free throw, he makes it.

by GustyJ on Feb 26, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions

Should have watched the video

before posting my reply.

That last post was the BE equivalent of Zach's possession. Ugh. I feel like Yao Ming's foot right about now.

Brandon Roy is so good, even when he tries to miss a free throw, he makes it.

by GustyJ on Feb 26, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions

Don´t worry...

You still can do it worse.

But you shouldn´t be either too optimistic.

Because I do always the worst.

"You, my friend, are an enigma" (einman77)

by amlmart1 on Feb 26, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions

Zach Randolph is the worst thing that's happened..

to Portland since Walton got hurt.

by jamesjonesismyhero on Feb 26, 2008 4:54 PM PST reply actions

CHEAP SHOT...

............ Compare Randolph's stats and the Knicks' record to Frye and the Blazers at the end of the year and get back to me, will ya???

Frye is a horrid trade for Randolph. OBVIOUSLY he has no reason to be even touching the ball outside the arch, let alone shooting... But come on... KP traded a borderline all star for a guy who is now out of the rotation, more or less, with the LOWLY Blazers. Give me a break!!!

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Feb 26, 2008 5:05 PM PST reply actions

Hahaha!

I was wondering where your rabble-rousing, demagogic self had gotten off to, Timbo.

Let's say the Blazers stay in the tank, keep playin' real bad, and finish 8-18 to end up 37-45. Do you realize that the Knicks have to go 20-6 over the same span to even match the Blazers? That they could win TWENTY-FOUR of the last twenty-six and still only end up with a .500 record? And that's not even addressing the disparities in competition and the advantage the Knickers have playing in the Leastern Conference. I'd love to get you on record as to what you prognosticate that each team's final records will be. Your reasonable, intelligent basketball fan side prediction won't jive with what Bad Timbo is promulgating here. It'd be an amusing fight to see which side comes out on top to make the predictions.
Z-Bo isn't a borderline All-Star. You know it, I know it, and everybody who knows anything about NBA basketball knows it. Claiming otherwise is folly.
Why did you act like you know nothing about getting rid of burdensome contracts, improving team chemistry, and creating opportunities for other players by framing Frye-for-Randolph in terms of a pure talent swap? I suspect you DO know about these things, which leaves me confused as to why you ignore their obvious influence on that trade decision. Nobody's saying Frye for Randolph is a good trade talent-wise. Knickfan posted a good diary about this a while ago. It's called addition by subtraction, and it's had a positive effect on the Blazers this year.

P.S. Channing Frye is the statistically best midrange shooter on the Blazers. Dunno why people keep bashing his jumper....nobody's is better on the team.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 26, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions

I think Timbo was Timmay for a few games

Timmay is Timbo with a good attitude. You'll notice they rarely post on the same days, never on the same game threads.

But I digress. . .

Great response, BOB. Nobody thought for a minute that this trade was about talent (although I like Frye). And as you point out, Timbo is not stupid, and for him to ignore this fact is to be contrarian for no good reason. But that's his schtick, so why not.

Knick fans HATE Zach. I saw someone post that the only good thing to come out of that trade was never having to watch Channing fiddle with his mouth guard again. But I don't think Channing does that here, so we totally win!

by Section323 on Feb 26, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions

Everyone forgets

that the Z-bo trade was essentially Zach for Frye, Jones, and Rudy.

Without the trade exemption created by the Zach for Frye trade, we would have never got James Jones. If we never took on Jones's contract, we would have never got the 24th pick(used on Rudy Fernandez).

Would you have taken Z-bo back at the expense of James Jones? We are 22-8 when Jones plays ya know. Can we please stop second guessing the trade!

Well if you still want Z-bo back, would you do it at the expense of cap-space in 09? We bought out Steve Francis specifically so his 17 million dollar salary will come off the books after next season. We dont do the Z-bo trade and we might not have gotten the freedom to put "icing on the cake" in 09.

So was Zach Randolph, Fred Jones, and Dan Dickau worth Channing Frye, James Jones, Rudy Fernandez, and 10-15 mil in cap space in 09? Even if Rudy never plays a game, the answer is yes, absolutely it was worth it...

Rudy > MJ

by myemic23 on Feb 27, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions

oops

My mistake, sorry for posting a joke on here. Didn't realize this should be taken as seriously as a burn unit as a hospital. :)

by Scorcho on Feb 26, 2008 7:45 PM PST reply actions

I've made the same mistake

Not everyone follows links or even drags their mouse over the links. If your punchline requires them to follow the link, things can go bad. Real bad.

by tominhawaii on Feb 26, 2008 10:15 PM PST up reply actions

But but but

I thought the "create his own shots off the dribble" would have been a dead give away!

Are there really that many half-cocked opinions around here that people actually thought I was serious when I mentioned that? :)

by Scorcho on Feb 26, 2008 10:56 PM PST up reply actions

No, it's just that we skim.

able to sense when the shot clock is under 9 seconds should have given it away, too!

by Section323 on Feb 26, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions

That's the thing with these things

By the time I'm done reading the comments, I don't remember what the diary was about. It is like jumping into three different conversations, all under a diary, that has nothing to do with the various conversations. In your case, a serious discussion broke out in your joke. I think people cope in different ways, by either skipping over or joining.

I read everything, but hardly ever comment in the stat diaries, because the only stat I care about is the W baby. As long as at the end of the game, the Blazers score is higher than the opponents score, I'm happy. Besides, I think it would be rude to start talking about gerunds in a math conversation.

by tominhawaii on Feb 26, 2008 11:18 PM PST up reply actions

It was a good post.

We are lazy.

by Section323 on Feb 26, 2008 10:41 PM PST up reply actions

What I don't get

Is why someone would see the link, not click on it, but still write a post refuting what the diary writer is saying. I get not feeling like clicking a link (I don't click on many in diaries, depending on my mood), but I definately don't think I'd post without knowing what the link is about or even what the point/joke of the diary is.

That's what I, me, found funny. The diary was funny too.

That clip is a perfect example of why Z-Bo doesn't wear red and black anymore, no matta what his numbers are. He was shooting that no matter what and just wanted the shot clock to run down so he could shoot a 3 (his life's ambition is to get Sheed-like clearance on shooting threes).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 27, 2008 1:37 AM PST up reply actions