Simmons posits Blazers trade suggestion
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons&entryDate=20080220
Go read it. I insist. Just make sure that you have a trash can handy, cuz I just projectile-vomited all over my computer screen and I wanna save you, my BE friends, from the same fate. For a guy who calls himself an NBA expert and the Picasso of the trade machine...paint-by-numbers maybe. This trade is awful. Awful.
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That's Awsome
by tominhawaii on Feb 20, 2008 4:46 PM PST 0 recs
PS
by tominhawaii on
Feb 20, 2008 4:49 PM PST
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Why Portland doesn't do it?
- It was suggested by Simmons
- LMA is a much better player than Conley and will fit perfectly with Oden
- If we trade Rudy he'll end being the Jermaine, except without the injury woes
- Raef will be a great piece for us to work with next year, why would we trade that piece for........Mike Miller of all people
- The only person we could possibly want from Memphis is Rudy Gay and he is not involved in the trade
by Zaron5551 on
Feb 20, 2008 5:15 PM PST
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Smoking chocolate, probably.
by amlmart1 on
Feb 20, 2008 11:04 PM PST
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hahaha
by BlazersOrBust on
Feb 21, 2008 1:44 AM PST
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Hahaha
Aside from the Blazers trade which was ugggh!!!! None of the trades that he puts forward look any good.
Just a blatent "Look at me I have nothing to write in my coloum today how about I chuck around a few trades that I would like to see."
by Bairdy on Feb 20, 2008 4:47 PM PST 0 recs
Good lord
And I'm not even a Hater. I will even listen to his podcast if it isn't about football. This is just a dumb, dumb trade and shows he hasn't really watched LMA-- or even knows about his faults, such as playing too far from the basket and relying on jumpers instead of a post game. If he knew at least the LMA stereotype, he'd think that LMA and Oden fit very well together.
Mike Conley and Oden together is not a good thing.
Ugh. This is dumb.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 20, 2008 4:48 PM PST 0 recs
haha... here it is for those who dont know
Keep ya head up ... ooooh child, things are gonna get easier ... keep ya head up ... ooooh child, things will get brighter.
Is this really happening?
Ooooh child, things are gonna get easier ... keep ya head up ... ooooh child, things will get brighter.
And just like that, he drove away.
by WALKING on
Feb 20, 2008 4:50 PM PST
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That's it exactly
Simmons is usually better when talking basketball, but I don't see why anyone does most of the trades he offered up. So because LMA is averaging 17/8 as a second year player (which is mostly an extenstion of his rookie year), he'll "end up" as one of those guys who only scores 17/8? I think some forget (us too) that LMA is a very young big man and those guys only improve with age and seasoning.
And adding Fernandez for long contracts and Mike Conley? Uuuuugh.
"Oooh child"... what a cheese weiner.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Feb 20, 2008 4:57 PM PST
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thats horrible
Portland trades Brandon Roy & Greg Oden to Boston for Glenn Davis and Gabe Pruitt!
Why: Because I'm a huge homer, and all I ever write about is how great Boston is.
by WALKING on Feb 20, 2008 4:48 PM PST 0 recs
I would have a hard time...
...doing Rudy for Miller, straight up.
OK, maybe not--Miller's a proven NBA guy, Rudy isn't yet. But Simmons is probably still getting over the Super Bowl.... HAHAHAHAHAHA
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2008 5:01 PM PST 0 recs
but wait guys...
He's just confirmed that he is a total moron.
wow.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 20, 2008 5:01 PM PST 0 recs
Bill Simmons
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 20, 2008 5:06 PM PST 0 recs
What about that rule
by amlmart1 on
Feb 20, 2008 11:11 PM PST
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That Has to Be
by blazerprophet on Feb 20, 2008 5:10 PM PST 0 recs
Think, bp...
Think of all the idiots you know (or know of). Next, think of all the sportswriters you know of.
I'm sure that the intersection of the two sets is far larger than just one certain Boston homer...
by EngineerScotty on
Feb 20, 2008 5:13 PM PST
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I would like to see
by Kampeska on
Feb 20, 2008 10:12 PM PST
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i sent him a message...
by soulja2boy on Feb 20, 2008 5:12 PM PST 0 recs
One thing that Bill Simmons does know how to do
by MiledAnimal on Feb 20, 2008 5:13 PM PST 0 recs
Speaking of trades
Maybe Josh Howard will score more than ever now? Kidd is good, don't get me wrongish, but I dunno if he helps the Mavs.
Oh well, I watch and see.
Simmons isn't a dumb guy but like all people who gotta fill columns and have deadlines they tend to fill it with lazy baloney. There, I don't feel like I hijacked the thread.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 20, 2008 5:15 PM PST 0 recs
Speaking of Trades part II: Electric Boogaloo
If Shaq is suddenly healthy and in game shape (he looks skinnier, but that doesn't mean he's in game shape), it kinda makes him look like a damn liar who just didn't put his all in for the Heat. Or, the Suns doctors really are the best. They've held Nash up after all, and Grant Hill has played TERRIFIC this year.
Shaq on the Suns is more intriguing than Kidd on the Mavs. To me at least.
I dunno if Simmons' silly trade ideas are less interesting because of the blockbuster deals that have happened daily lately, or just even sillier because of the REAL DEAL trades. He's always complained about GMs having no balls, but I think he really wishes they had ADHD and prone to tinkering. Simmons misses Trader Bob more than anyone!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Feb 20, 2008 5:27 PM PST
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I'm going
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0810042kobe1.html
by tominhawaii on
Feb 20, 2008 5:36 PM PST
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That sounds fun
by Mortimer on
Feb 20, 2008 5:45 PM PST
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Me neither
by BlazersOrBust on
Feb 21, 2008 2:43 AM PST
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I regret what happened.
by amlmart1 on
Feb 21, 2008 4:17 AM PST
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You sound like
by hobobob on
Feb 21, 2008 10:14 AM PST
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Now I must confess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAcrIr84OdQ
We are not all privileged to do as we will with our words.
May I do anything more to help Your Mercy?.
by amlmart1 on
Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM PST
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Sword fighting
by tominhawaii on
Feb 21, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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I only have 2 friends and BE
by tominhawaii on
Feb 21, 2008 11:19 AM PST
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San Antonio
by preacherman on Feb 20, 2008 5:26 PM PST 0 recs
That's pretty bold
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html
The guy won two championships starting and playing significant minutes after Duncan's arrival, so it wasn't like he disappeared off the map.
by BlazersOrBust on
Feb 21, 2008 1:55 AM PST
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The first was the strike year
Number of San Antone championships in the 9 years DRob had without Duncan = 0. Number of San Antone championships in the 4 years Duncan had without DRob = 2. Yeah, Duncan made DRob expendable. He won with DRob, he won with Nazr/Rasho/Oberto.
by howlingfantods on
Feb 21, 2008 7:45 AM PST
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Duncan grew under
by hobobob on
Feb 21, 2008 10:17 AM PST
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"not irrelevant"
by howlingfantods on
Feb 21, 2008 7:56 PM PST
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lol
by OregonDuckworth on Feb 20, 2008 5:29 PM PST 0 recs
I might consider
I'd need to watch them a bit and get a feel. Gay puts up nice stats and Conley may or may not be overrated, but if he fits with Oden...
by ratbastird on
Feb 20, 2008 5:57 PM PST
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lol!
by Dheepan on Feb 20, 2008 5:37 PM PST 0 recs
Not just "better"...
The "Oden walks old" bit will go down as one of his worst lines, as well.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Feb 20, 2008 5:43 PM PST
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So you're saying...
Maybe that's KP's secret strategy?
by ratbastird on
Feb 20, 2008 5:48 PM PST
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My Response
1.) Rudy. This is the best player in europe right now at 22 years of age and you just told the blazers to trade him?
2.) Aldridge is an EXCELLENT YOUNG big man. Big men take a few years to develop and he will get better. Also Aldridge does not duplicate Odens skills but compliments them because he's an outside in player while Oden is a post player.
3.) There's no way the blazers want that pile of crap you're sending from memphis. You said it yourself:
"Everyone agrees that Fernandez would be a top-10 pick if he was in this year's draft, and Aldridge is one of the better young forwards in the league"
Blazers need a point, but Broy plays the ball handler and Rudy acts as that second scorer you're talking about. Additional, Outlaw has shown that he knows how to play in the fourth. PLUS aldridge will only get better and is currently the second leading scorer.
4.) Blazers have TOO MANY PG's. We'd be emptying out a position we're empty in (PF/C) and soon to be strong (with the return of oden) and accepting another freaking PG which we already have a VERY good one stocked away in Finland.
I'd be intrigued by Conley and willing to give up Frye who is a poor man's aldridge. Rudy is a no go because he's too talented. He may or may not fit with the Blazer style of play, but there's no way I'd toss him without finding out because he's too good.
5.) Blazers aren't looking for projects and Conley would be a project. The blazers are looking to start position to challenge in two years and for their championship in three. Conley has yet to prove he's elite, he's not a sharp 3 point shooter and the blazers will need that with oden in. Jones fills that, but you're watching how the blazers do without Jones on these losing streaks. Blazers need a second 3pt specialist option and again, rudy fills that.
by ratbastird on Feb 20, 2008 5:47 PM PST 0 recs
laughable
by myemic23 on Feb 20, 2008 5:52 PM PST 0 recs
What a dumb trade.
hold on... What are we getting?
by JTDuck22 on Feb 20, 2008 6:02 PM PST 0 recs
bad gas
and a neat little sticker that says "SUCKERS!!!"
by ratbastird on
Feb 20, 2008 6:08 PM PST
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What are we getting?
by LaMarvelous on
Feb 20, 2008 10:12 PM PST
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laughable
by Addicted to Quack on Feb 20, 2008 7:16 PM PST 0 recs
Well, I guess it all depends on how good
He's had flashes that made me think he might have Paul's upside, but honestly I think he's just a slightly smarter Ford. Bad trade I think, but I could be wrong -- lord knows I don't watch the Grizzlies all that much.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2008 7:49 PM PST 0 recs
Actually
We don't know and the blazers are done with projects. They're ready to start moving forward. Conley is a project and fingers crossed. We know what we get with Rudy and Aldridge.
by ratbastird on
Feb 20, 2008 9:12 PM PST
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Known versus unknown?
Rudy's a euro. I think we're still far from assuming that success in the euro leagues always translates to the big leagues.
by howlingfantods on
Feb 20, 2008 9:40 PM PST
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I know a heck of a lot more about...
by LaMarvelous on
Feb 20, 2008 10:18 PM PST
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Another reason Simmons isn't a GM
Trying not to be biased here, I'd say 30 out of 30 GMs would take option A without batting an eyelash.
by douglast on Feb 20, 2008 7:58 PM PST 0 recs
What an idiot.
by bfan on Feb 20, 2008 8:16 PM PST 0 recs
Good idea...
by LaMarvelous on
Feb 20, 2008 10:21 PM PST
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Not completely ridiculous
His take on Aldridge might be dead on. Could he develop into a 20/9 guy? Sure, but Simmons might be absolutely right.
I wouldn't do it because I like Aldridge and Rudy but its not nearly as ridiculous as some of you guys are saying.
by jksnake99 on Feb 20, 2008 8:26 PM PST 0 recs
Dito
If Conley were Chris Paul, I'd do it.
by PoliSam on
Feb 20, 2008 8:36 PM PST
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perfectly put
by jksnake99 on
Feb 20, 2008 8:42 PM PST
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Which
by ratbastird on
Feb 20, 2008 9:11 PM PST
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I dunno...
- David West in his 3rd season: 17.1 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 51.4% FG, .9 BPG, 34 MPG. LMA in his second season: 16.9 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 48.4% FG, 1.3 BPG, 34.3 MPG. They play very similar face-up, jump-shooting styles, so I feel like it's a valid comparison. West was just an All-Star and LMA's ahead of his development curve. I think this deal undervalues Aldridge's potential, and I think he'll be better than West.
- Why do we need an elite shooter? Here are the three-point percentages of the top shooters on our team: 48.3, JJ2; 43.5, Blake; 39.7, Outlaw; 37.6, Webster. Rudy has NBA range and will get lots of open looks with doubles being thrown at our big three. I'd be shocked if out of those five, four of them aren't shooting 40% or above from deep next year. The only other team that can stake that claim currently is Toronto. The last thing we need is another jump shooter who plays questionable defense.
- Both Miller and Cardinal's contracts run through 2010, and the latter one is awful: more than the MLE for a guy who wouldn't sniff the court for us. Goodbye to 2009 cap space and KP's master plan; equally important would our severely curtailed ability to make smaller adjustments, not just a big FA splash.
- Do we really need a point guard? Within the last ten years, teams led by Avery Johnson, Derek Fisher, and Jason Williams/Smush Parker have won titles. Blake can't play the AJ/DF "veteran who gets the ball to the right spot at the right time and knock down an open three" role? Really?
- Let's remember who our GM is. Do we really want to give away a 12.8 million expiring deal and a lottery pick in this deal? I think Prich has already proven himself to be a draft maestro; I'm not taking his little composer's baton away from him to make THIS trade. Let's ask AI for his thoughts. Allen? "We're not talkin' 'bout a second-rounder, man, we're talkin' 'bout a lottery pick. A lottery pick." So it appears that Allen and I agree.
- So to recap: we're giving away a guy who's ALREADY one of the best young bigs in the league today and hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential, a "consensus top ten pick in this year's draft", another lottery pick, and contract with excellent trade value in the very near future in exchange for a jump shooter who doesn't play defense (hey, THAT fills a need on the roster!), an unproven and very young point guard (good thing we don't have any of those!) and a cap-killing albatross contract through 2010. Oh and Memphis's No. 2. That's the pot sweetener right there! Where do I sign!
by BlazersOrBust on
Feb 21, 2008 2:36 AM PST
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I like the deal
What a freakin idiot!
Bill Simmons is a hilarious writer but that trade is not funny, its appalling.
by courtsideerrandboy on Feb 20, 2008 8:54 PM PST 0 recs
my problem with his 17-8 statement
by Jason3123 on Feb 20, 2008 9:32 PM PST 0 recs
Wow.
OK, I've processed and it makes perfect sense: You've got to agree we just grab too many rebounds so could use a couple of less bigs finally making room for a 5th point guard, ohh, and yes, we really need a shooter. We can't shoot the ball at all, if there's one thing the Blazers are weak at it's jump shooting. Plus who wants that chain smoking Euro forming some sort of Spanish Cartel with Sergio? Jailblazers indeed. Finally, we don't have to worry about how much less effective Lamarcus will be once Oden arrives, I stayed up at night worrying about what Lamarcus was going to do... how would he deal with so much attention being paid to Oden all the time. (In my best Jan Brady voice): "Oden, Oden, Oden!" All that perma-mediocre 18/7 talent was about to go to waste. The Blazers just need to make one more adjustment, let's finally cut out the fat, KP your time has come, Bill Simmons for GM, then NBA title here we come!
by drawingjeremy on Feb 20, 2008 9:33 PM PST 0 recs
Too true
by Sabonis4Ever on
Feb 20, 2008 9:54 PM PST
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Oh, and while we are at it...
(Dang it! I just strained my sarcasm muscle! Man that hurts.)
by LaMarvelous on
Feb 20, 2008 10:31 PM PST
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You're right
by drawingjeremy on
Feb 21, 2008 11:05 AM PST
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The best part is
by einman77 on Feb 20, 2008 10:03 PM PST 0 recs
Many young players developing
by amlmart1 on Feb 20, 2008 11:42 PM PST 0 recs
Clearly.....
Agreed, I think this trade is something that Sergio would describe as "caca" in his native tongue.
by WarEaglePDX on Feb 21, 2008 12:37 AM PST 0 recs
Sometimes..
I wish I could get paid for whatever the hell he does.
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 21, 2008 3:44 AM PST 0 recs
No love for Udoka
And trading Shane Battier and a 1st round pick for Artest? Batteir is better than him and you'd give them a draft pick?
Bill Simmons is my favorite sports columnist but some of these trades are dumb. I don't think I need to explain how stupid the Aldridge trade is.
by terryisntbald on Feb 21, 2008 9:45 AM PST 0 recs
His contention...
&nbs



