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James Jones, Lebron James, the scourge of pro sports (w/poll), and a public apology to fatty (RIP)

Not having Jones is a huge factor in the current funk.

But in my opinion, the turning point was the last-second loss to the Cavaliers on our floor.

Up to that point we were still one of the elite home-court teams in the league.

No matter how often we lost on the road, we could always count on a successful homestand to lift us up in the standings and bring us within sniffing range of the playoffs.

But after Lebron single-handedly put Brandon Roy, and the rest of the team, in its place on national television, we have:

  • lost a home game we should have won in the last second (Denver)
  • barely beaten vastly inferior or heavily injured teams at home (NY, Chi)
  • lost four games in a row in convincing and embarrassing fashion on the road (Det, Ind, Hou, Dal)
  • The net result?  We have lost a lot of confidence and, more importantly, some of the trust and support of this season's TRUE MVP:  the fans.

    I, for one, can be counted among the ranks of the disappointed and dejected.  Not because the team has lost games, or because they are simply falling back down to the original and more realistic expectations most of us had at the beginning of the year, but because this team has lost HEART.

    They are young, and yet they cannot muster energy to box out, dive for loose balls, play defense, or run the floor.

    For people that get paid millions of dollars to play a stinking game, for Pete's sake, they OWE it to us to at least hustle.

    I don't care if they lose.  But at least ACT like you care.  During the Drexler era I never once booed or criticized my team at a home game.

    But since the Denver loss, I found myself actually SCREAMING sarcastic remarks at our players, tired and frustrated with the complete lack of commitment and energy when called upon to get a stop or pull down a board.

    Martell Webster was my favorite player on the team.  I met him after AI beat us at the last second.  It was cool of him to come out in a tired and frustrated state.  But in speaking with him and, subsequently being cut off by him mid-sentence with a handshake, I realized that I had more in common with fatty than I ever wanted to admit.

    Despite what you read on the internet or in the newspapers, our players, for the most part, don't care about us.  With the exception of Brandon Roy, who is a gift from above, and perhaps Outlaw or a few others, our players are no different than your average over-paid, over-coddled, over-hyped pro athlete.  The current crop of Blazers are just younger and more naive, giving off a false aura of innocence that I regretfully and admittedly bought into.  Yes they are head and shoulders above the likes of JR Rider or Bonzi Wells.  But is that really something to hang our hat on?

    Ungratefulness not only rears its ugly head in unpleasant encounters such as the one I had with Martell, but in a team's lack of effort on the floor.

    Until that changes, the Blazers get a piece of my heart & soul no more.

    fatty, consider this an apology and an acknowledgement.  this is soldier boy.

    you were right, and I look forward to your return.

    yeah, making my peace with fatty.  i guess every cloud does have a silver lining.

    PEACE OUT

    Poll
    The Blazers
    on average treat fans with more respect than most teams
    34 votes
    on average treat fans with the same level of respect as most teams
    5 votes
    on average treat fans with less respect than most teams
    1 votes

    40 votes | Poll has closed

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    i couldn't vote
    because I've never met one in person. However, it sounds like you couldn't have picked a worse time to meet one in person, and I wouldn't hold it against him. He's human, and was probably not in a great mood.

    by mark twain on Feb 13, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

    Chill out
    This is professional sports, and Martell isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. Come and talk to me after I had a crappy day in waiting tables and just want to get off my feet and drink a beer. THEN you will meet someone who isn't happy. I honestly don't care if they think of us as anything more than those who help pay the bills. I won't go anywhere unless a JailBlazer's relapse occurs.

    As for you not supporting the team, good, maybe I can get a ticket finally. Oh, and if you think this team isn't giving it there all, well, maybe you can try playing hurt and tired, night in and night out. I have never questioned THIS team's effort, but they are still raw. A lot of this will be assuaged when we get Oden back and another year of seasoning. Goodness man, we are lucky to have these guys, so take the bad now and you will embrace the good even greater in the future.

    They are like a vampiric Kobayashi - Classic Dave on the Knicks, 2/1/08

    by Rodendridge on Feb 13, 2008 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

    i agree
    I accept that professional sports players don't usually have the noble qualities we'd like them to. Probably not even Brandon (gasp!)

    Sure more hustle would be nice, but I think they're a simply dead tired, and they can't fall back on instinct or muscle memory to get the hustle plays completed.

    by Section323 on Feb 13, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

    so
    You booed the team for perceived lack of heart or effort for the first time? So you were totally on board with the 21-win team from two years ago, but it's the current team that made you jump off the bandwagon?

    I think if fatty were still around, he would have coined a new term: Winning Streak Only Fans.

    by abdelnaby on Feb 13, 2008 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

    WSOFs
    will that be the next perjorative du jour favored by the Blazers Edge cognoscenti?

    by knickfan on Feb 13, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

    And soon to be
    Banned By Dave (BBD)!
    Ball Don't Lie

    by bothteamsplayedhard on Feb 14, 2008 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

    Everyone is allowed to have bad days
    even Martell.  If i had heard of similar stories about Martell, i might give your story more credence.  Martell is no Sheed.

    How many super competitive people are chatty and happy after losing games? not many

    Travis Outlaw drops the sledgehammer on Daequan Cook for a dunk so vicious, it's illegal in 48 states.

    by BlazerBandit on Feb 13, 2008 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

    It is a long season
    There are ups and downs and streaks both of wins and losses.  There is the mental toll of the long season, of breaking a losing streak, of too much time on the road, of playing when you still don't feel 100%, of playing when your fans are whining about you.  We need patience, people!  I know it is more fun for us when things are going great.  I'm taking a drubbing from the L*ker fan dude at work. But, this is the game of basketball in the long NBA season. We need to roll with it. There is another great win on the horizon.

    by ladygonegrey on Feb 13, 2008 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

    The turning point
    Was the double over-time loss against Toronto @ Toronto.  Even though we trashed NJ the next game, you haven't seen any 4th quarter magic since the magic ran out in that game.
    I'm hip, I'm slick, and all the women want my phone number!

    by silkybrown on Feb 14, 2008 12:11 AM PST reply actions  

    C'mon Dude
    Martell at least came over and talked a bit.  He doesn't read your posts on here and know you're his biggest fan.  He lost a big game and was annoyed, tired, and was already nice enough to take some time to talk to some fans.  He didn't act like Rickey Henderson or sumthin'!

    Even if he cut you off with a polite HAND SHAKE during your first sentence, he had somewhere he needed to go dude.  Even a relative unknown like Marty has got a lot of fans who'd talk his ear off all day if they could.  I'd rather he get some sleep.

    I wasn't there, I don't know how it went.  How you tell it surely doesn't sound that bad.  I'm not quite sure what you were expecting after a hard game... maybe he'd want to hang out a bit?  See a movie?  You could hear the latest ditty he wrote on his piano?  Martell and players like him are in a lose lose situation there.  They come out and say hi to be nice, but if they don't stay long enough they're a jerk?  C'mon Broggerboy!

    This team hasn't won over the past few days, but they've won more than they've lost this entire season.  They're tired and down right now and being outmuscled.  This is eons better than most teams in the league, and an alternate dimension better than recent Blazer teams.  The last few games have been the anamoly, not the norm.

    I'm sorry you felt bad after your encounter, but I hope you re-analyse your approach to the team and your meeting with Martell.  As a kid I've had a lot worse encounters with athletes (Triple AAA minor league Beaver no name players even), and you gotta imagine how you'd be in that position.  I'm not sure if you're being entirely fair.

    Mortimer  

    by Mortimer on Feb 14, 2008 12:53 AM PST reply actions  

    So in a nutshell
    You're angry because Martell took the time to speak to you after a gut-wrenching loss but didn't treat you like you were the most important person in the universe while you were presumably rambling on about   why the team was struggling (which I bet he was thrilled to listen to) then cut you off in mid-sentence (presumably because he wanted get the hell out of there and shower) and SHOOK YOUR HAND.

    ...................

    How does Martell sleep at night doing these kinds of things?

    by jayseyfield on Feb 14, 2008 12:58 AM PST reply actions  

    I wasn't a fan then
    When I was a child, after a Blazers loss, Pippen ignored all the people requesting authographs in the parking lot.  I was filled with the naivety of a child, thought he needed a hug after a tough loss, and tried to hug him.  After a few nights in jail, and a signature on a restraining order, I learned my lesson.  I think you need a hug.
    "Darkness warshed over the Dude - darker'n a black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night. There was no bottom." The Stranger from The Big Lebowski (1999)

    by tominhawaii on Feb 14, 2008 1:59 AM PST reply actions  

    You are funny
    The Rose Garden is our House.

    by JTDuck22 on Feb 14, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

    passion
    i agree with you. these guys have played basketball for a long time. any player knows what it takes. it takes heart, and you just dont give up. you keep fighting at least on the defensive end to give you a chance to win when you are not shooting the ball good. you are not always going to shoot good so you have to show heart on the defensive end. i feel we do need a trade because nate has stressed to these guys i dont know how many times he has to tell these guys. these guys have been together for 3 years now,there is no more excuses.teams have their tired days but this is ridiculous.
    BILL MCGEE

    by BILLMCGEE on Feb 14, 2008 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

    Three years ago
    Roy and LMA were in college, not on the Blazers.  Martell and Travis were raw and didn't add much.  I don't even think Sergio was BORN 3 years ago.

    THIS TEAM, the one we currently have, the one we watch on our TV sets with our eyes and ears, has only been together THIS SEASON.  LMA is still technically in his rookie year.  

    Nate has been the coach for his 3rd season now, but I don't see what this team has to do with any recent former Blazer team aside from the same uniform...

    Why are we saddling these young dudes who have played better than anyone expected and have a bright future with the failings of teams they had nothing to do with?

    Mortimer

    by Mortimer on Feb 14, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

    slow your roll, broggerboy
    The stars didn't align the night you met your idol... don't ever quit dreaming, though. One day he may love you as much as you love him.

    I'd be lying if I said I didn't know at least a little how you felt. Been there, dude. Got Oden's autograph on a Blazer Beanie Baby (for my daughter, I swear... okay, that's a lie) and he gave me the wierdest look (and I know he has a semi-blase look all the time, but it was even a wierd look for him). Shook hands with Channing Frye as he tried to figure out why he was being introduced to a middle aged white guy who is nothing but a big ol' Blazer fan.

    Martell probably gets approached all the time by people he doesn't know who think that if they just had a few minutes together, they would discover how similar they were and then become best friends... almost like a John Canzano story. Keep being a fan, but have realistic expectations from these other people who just happen to be millionaire athletes... they make mistakes, too.

    The Portland Trailblazers... where dynastic happens.

    by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 14, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

    you can't
    expect the players to be able to go around and have meaningful conversations with each and every fan night in and night out.  they are regular people too that have moods and a lot going on with their careers and basketball players whether it be with traveling, practicing, working out, press, charity and all the things that are just required by you to play in this league.  they have way more than a 40 hour workweek to deal with.  and also it was touched on a little bit in the post above mine about people thinking a couple minutes will equate to a friendship. i will say that to the fan, it's a huge deal to meet a pro basketball player but it's not a huge deal to the player to meet another of many people they listen to either pour over them with compliments or criticize and analyze each and everything they do by telling them what they should do.
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    by avalonzero on Feb 16, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

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