How not to end a game
There are all of our offensive possession, from the 4:00 mark onward in the 4th quarter against Orlando (time left on shot-clock in parans)
3:51 Roy makes 22ft shot (6 seconds left)
2:58 Roy makes 18ft shot (1 second left)
3:34 Roy 2-2 FT's (16 seconds left)
2:20 Aldridge makes 19-foot jumper (4 seconds left)
1:40 Outlaw misses 3-pt shot (7 seconds left)
1:15 Blake misses 3-pt shot (8 seconds left)
0:41 Blake turnover (5 seconds left)
0:05 Roy misses 3-pt shot
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I didn't see the play which Roy got his free throws on, i'll just assume for argument it was a layup/close-in shot. What I do see is last years maddening tendancy: to abandon all offensive execution and jack up three pointer after three pointer. This time it happened at the end of the game.
8 possessions; 7 attempts; 8 pts. From 2-minutes on, 1 turnover, and 3 missed 3pters. Any one point would have pulled this game from the fire.
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Blazers offensive execution
often ends in a 3 pointer when it goes well.
Several of those attempts were good attempts that we missed. The shot clock violations were not possessions, of course.
by rmcdougall on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
fine to get good looks
and just miss, not okay to have two shot clock violations in the final minutes.
by lethaldose on Dec 10, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And now the same thing on defense
There was more than one breakdown there in the final minute(s). And the failure to inbound the ball, costing us the last timeout with about a minute to go.
Viva la Rudylucion
by Norsktroll on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blazers were in full stall mode instead of trying to score the ball.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 9, 2008 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when teams do that
Just run the exact same plays you’ve been running. Most of the time it uses up 18-20 seconds anyway and you get a good shot most of the time. Plus, it’s a lot harder to defend a full fledged play then it is to guard 1 guy on the perimeter.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the prevent in football
all it does is prevent you from winning. I was hoping they could get this one after the road trip, but it’s always good to see LaMarcus put some work in.
by blazeraddict on Dec 9, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate went small, jumpshooters went cold. Ballgame.
This game reminded me of the Toronto game, completely. Pryz had 11 pts. and 11 rebounds, yet he was riding pine as Nate pulled his goalie to go for more offense (i.e. the Outlaw mismatch) with A LEAD.
Foolish. Nobody is going to call him on it though, and he’s gonna do it again because he doesn’t even realize that he got burned…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 9, 2008 10:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Meaning the infamous Toronto game of last year, not this year's.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 9, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Przybilla wouldn't have made a difference
On any of those last three three pointers.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 9, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was in the game for the last one
In fact, he ought to have doubled Turkey when Howard set the pick, hard.
If Howard flashes to the basket with 3 seconds left and Hedo actually manages to get him the ball, foul him.
In fact, I say foul the crap out of Howard the second the ball in inbounded.
by baduk on Dec 9, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
absurd.
Timbo, when Joel left the game for LMA, the score was Portland 89-Orlando 87. Portland proceeded to push the lead to 8 with 2 minutes left. You are now going to blame small ball for 3 made threes (not dunks or layins- threes) in the final 2 minutes?
Simply absurd.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 9, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smallball = Brandon at the 3 = Brandon doubled up in the corner in isolation mode
Instead, a REGULAR lineup would have Brandon at the 2, isolation drive down the key, WITH A CENTER IN THE GAME TO POTENTIALLY REBOUND AND PUT BACK ANY MISS.
Would Pryz have stopped Turkoglu at the end? Of course not. That is absurd. The point is, THAT SITUATION NEVER WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED IF NATE HAD REINSERTED A GOALIE ONCE HE HAD THE 8 POINT LEAD YOU ARE SO PROUD OF…
Small ball is like pulling the goalie in hockey. It creates OFFENSIVE MISMATCHES (points) at the cost of DEFENSIVE POROSITY (points). Once you have the lead going down the stretch SMALL BALL MUST BE IMMEDIATELY TERMINATED. Just like in last year’s Toronto game, Nate got all cutesy with his New Revelation Basketball For A Glorious New Age (3 guards plus OUTLAW as “Power Forward”).
Gee whiz, that didn’t hold up down the stretch. What a surprise.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando scored 19 4th quarter points prior to the three 3 balls at the end
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon was isolated because he made a poor decision
and Pryz was in the last play. In fact he blew the play – followed Howard out top (!?!?) instead of doubling Hedo
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with timbo here
We got the lead by playing small ball and by playing with speed and intensity. Thats the team we had on the floor. The we tried to slow the game down with the same exact team. The team that was built to go fast…
by lethaldose on Dec 10, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Small Ball Stall" = FAIL
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont get it
if we were to go into “prevent defense mode” why wasnt pryz in the game? why play with an offensive group who were playing not to lose rather than a defensive team if that was their strategy?
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hes the same size as blake
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 9, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Pryz was sitting for the best part of the 4th Quarter that got the Blazers the lead, right? This going small strategy worked well in Orlando just a few weeks back. It was working again.
And as mentioned above, Pryz blew it on the last pick for Hedo. The play was for Hedo all the way, Mike and Mike knew it, anyone who has watched a Magic game knew it. The best thing that could have happened was for Howard to get the ball. I was screaming at my tv for Joel to double Hedo. Big lapse on his part
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Hedo was the 3rd option as reported by either espn or J quick.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from the game
I just want to say, it was a really fun game to be at, even though we lost. I am not a sergio fanatic, but I have to say, tonight when he was in the game we just worked way better. The offense flowed, and even the defense seemed better. I like blake, he had an abnormally bad game. Everytime he was in the game it stalled for us. I do not like that in the last two minutes blake went back in after everthing was going so well. He missed a shot, and had a critical turnover. I don’t blame him for the lose, it’s never just one persons fault. We should have never been at a point where one of their threes would win the game for them. But I really feel like if sergio had played the last two minutes or so we would have won.
by twggyy on Dec 9, 2008 10:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
agreed. Sergio should have been kept on the floor. It allowed Orlando to just key in on Brandon at the end.
by lethaldose on Dec 10, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked to see...
Sergio ( played great +11 ) and Rudy inbounding ( +7 ) , Roy, LaMarcus and Zilla on that final pocession. We wasted a timeout and got a horrible shot because they shadowed Roy to the far end and left Outlaw. Also if you didnt notice, and Outlaw had a great game btw, but when he came in for Rudy were outscored 9-0! Why not leave Rudy on CamelManalow because he knows his game play so well. I blame this on Nate and Roy’s freethrow shooting and Outlaw’s perimeter defense.
by TheOdenator52 on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That lineup would have been acceptable. Three guards plus Travis plus LMA was not.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't watch any of the game, but I saw that lineup on the GameCast and thought, "what the heck is Nate thinking?"
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Dec 10, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was using The Force or something... I hope we never see that again. I bet we will. Nate is a secret Small Ball fan, being a former guard...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things..
1) Why was Blake getting those minutes down the stretch when Sergio has masterfully led our comback and put us into the lead?
Blake clanked a 3 ball and then committed a horrible turnover.
2)Rudy needs to box out Bogans on the 3 ball.. instead, he let BOgans gather his own board, and Lewis hit the three to cut it to two
by Rudy4three on Dec 9, 2008 10:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blake had good season karma going for him while Sergio only had good game karma
Nate is predictable. He likes stability.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 9, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio had been fantastic in this game 14 points, 7 assists, 0 turnovers..
I just hated that move.
by Rudy4three on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When the opposite team is playing full court pressure
you just have to play your best ballhandler, it’s a no-brainer, and our best ball handler is Sergio
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
by DaniBCN on Dec 10, 2008 2:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Similar situation early in the year
Where sergio was playing good, and got pulled for a few seconds in the fourth. It made absolutely no sense at all…Sergio was asked about that in an interview and said that nature called. Did he run into the tunnel tonight?
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 9, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Recap of the last minutes
Orlando 20 Sec. timeout
3:34 97-103 Brandon Roy makes free throw 1 of 2
3:34 97-104 Brandon Roy makes free throw 2 of 2
3:21 Jameer Nelson makes 24-foot three point jumper (Hedo Turkoglu assists) 100-104
2:58 100-106 Brandon Roy makes 18-foot jumper
2:42 Travis Outlaw blocks Dwight Howard’s 5-foot two point shot 100-106
2:40 100-106 Brandon Roy defensive rebound
2:20 100-108 LaMarcus Aldridge makes 19-foot jumper (Brandon Roy assists)
2:15 Orlando full timeout
1:57 Jameer Nelson makes 25-foot three pointer 103-108
1:40 103-108 Travis Outlaw misses three point jumper
1:39 Rashard Lewis defensive rebound 103-108
1:31 Jameer Nelson misses driving layup 103-108
1:31 Orlando defensive rebound 103-108
1:31 103-108 Steve Blake enters the game for Sergio Rodriguez
1:15 103-108 Steve Blake misses 26-foot three point jumper
1:10 Rashard Lewis defensive rebound 103-108
1:02 Brandon Roy blocks Hedo Turkoglu’s 8-foot running jumper 103-108
1:00 103-108 Steve Blake defensive rebound
0:53 Portland full timeout
0:53 Portland 20 Sec. timeout
0:41 103-108 Steve Blake lost ball (Jameer Nelson steals)
0:33 Keith Bogans misses 23-foot three point jumper 103-108
0:32 Keith Bogans offensive rebound 103-108
0:29 Rashard Lewis makes three point jumper (Keith Bogans assists) 106-108
0:05 106-108 Brandon Roy misses three pointer
0:05 106-108 LaMarcus Aldridge offensive rebound
0:05 106-108 shot clock violation
0:05 Orlando full timeout
0:00 Hedo Turkoglu makes 25-foot three pointer 109-108
0:00 109-108 Brandon Roy misses 73-foot three point jumper
0:00 109-108 Portland offensive rebound
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter
0:00 End Game
Viva la Rudylucion
by Norsktroll on Dec 9, 2008 10:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thats just rude... someone take this down
by as11osu on Dec 9, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Small Ball Sucks, Part 1253...
0:33 Keith Bogans misses 23-foot three point jumper 103-108
0:32 Keith Bogans offensive rebound 103-108
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 10, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
long rebound- caused by a failed boxout for Rudy
you would have a case if Howard had grabbed the board or something.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly - Rudy slept
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said, the Blake turnover at 41 seconds and the subsequent
lack of a box out by Rudy on Bogans is what killed us
by Rudy4three on Dec 9, 2008 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What killed us was
the same thing that killed the Rockets and Raptors, so far we are ahead on the last second game winners, and ill take that stat all day
65.....
by JWise on Dec 9, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
125.6 offensive efficiency for the game
The last 2 minutes were filled with offensive mistakes, certainly… but its defense that was the problem most of the game.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 9, 2008 10:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Our gameplan
was to shut down Howard…which we did. It was at the expense of all those 3 pt shots tho.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 9, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe we lost
to a team we’re better than, that just played a road game the night before, then had to come to the rose garden, and play a tough game into the 4th quarter. This game you expect to win 9 times out of 10. Unfortunate….
by as11osu on Dec 9, 2008 11:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are we better than Orlando?
I don’t know. We are deeper, but when Rashard Lewis has his stroke, when Jameer Nelson is aggresive and hits his jumpers, they are a very good team.
They won a few games last year, didn’t they? The core unit is more or less intact from last year isn’t it?
The difference between this game and last game is that they shot a ridiculous three-ball this time and we did last time.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are 8-2 on the road
I don’t think you expect to win that 9 out of 10. Some of us were warning beforehand it would be a dangerous game.
You should win 6 or 7 out of 10. Give Hedo that shot 10 times and he’ll make 2-3 of them.
Some bad mistakes down the stretch, no doubt about it, and it never should have come down to a last second shot. But even then, more times than not, we walk out of that with a W. That’s the breaks.
Learn from the mistakes, sure. But no need to get freaked out over it.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
will he bank it two or three times?
Outlaw’s defense was outstanding by the way
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never try to predict the path
that miracle shots take on their way to the bottom of the net. They just get there somehow.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 4:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we allow Roy to be double teamed early, especially at the end of a game?
When a team sends an early double team against Roy, all we need to do is instruct the man that he was guarding to go with to set a pick on him to free Roy. If they are in a zone defense then instruct the nearest player to this double team man to go and set the pick.
by roy2rudy on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sending another offensive player allows them to send another defensive player, even if we send the double-teamer's man
by rmcdougall on Dec 9, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If a defensive team would actually send a 3rd player near midcourt.....
…..I would Iike the always desirable 3 on 2 chances near the basket.
The thought is for us to control the offense, i.e. to have a high % plan B ( with Roy handling the ball or a real advantage near the hoop), rather than give into their defense scheme of forcing us to a late clock scramble..
by roy2rudy on Dec 10, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's quite easy
If someone is double-teamed, there’s one player left undefended, get that free shot!
Going 1 on 5 is useless
Let yourself get trapped in a corner is quite a bad decision
Being unselfish isn’t about giving 4 assists, being unselfish means doing what’s best for the team, and if teams know you’ll take advantage if they double-team you, they’l think twice before doing it
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
by DaniBCN on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Brandon's fault
Travis was supposed to make himself available in the middle and didn’t.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 10, 2008 4:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight being what it was
if, instead of taking those last two 3 attempts, we had just held the ball and waited for 24-second violation, we would have erased 15 seconds from the game.
and won.
not that it would have been a good strategy, but . . . .
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 10, 2008 12:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In his postgame reaction Nate was especially talking about the last blown possession when the Blazers couldn't get a shot up
Apparently the plan was to bring someone in the middle (didn’t say who) when Roy gets double teamed to create a 4 on 3. That failed, and there was no clean shot.
Viva la Rudylucion
by Norsktroll on Dec 10, 2008 12:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just re-watched that sequence
and it looked like Rudy was supposed to come out but got hung up in the far corner
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently it was Travis, but Rudy would also have been a good call (depending on which corner each was supposed to be at the start of the play)
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/12/blazers_slip_down_stretch_agai.html
Viva la Rudylucion
by Norsktroll on Dec 10, 2008 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah - Quick gets to the bottom of it
but anyone out there would have done the trick: Trout, Rudy, Blake. It was a zone trap, so we probably would have needed two to come to the ball anyway
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its good to have..
Star studded Team, full of [all]star caliber talent and you have a lot of choises.
But you know what?
LA LAKERS one season got Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe, Shaq and lot of very good supporting cast BUT………… They never win Championship that FINAL…
So, its better to have one RONDO (Boston) and no one else, so that in Win or Loss Situation you have nothing to choose, just one..
Stop whining and crying for trade and axing coach, remember that is your COACH of The DECADE [ i’ve seen than post somewhere here].
by spoiled on Dec 10, 2008 8:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
my bad not coach of the decade [it was GM of decade] but still your coach is the one who created this great Roster.
Unless if your asking for a coach name Isiah Thomas?
by spoiled on Dec 10, 2008 8:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lost in love with our slow ball movement.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon's FT at 3:34
were during a pass from under the rim to Outlaw in the corner where he nailed a threeball that was negated by the foul. It was so loud in the Rose Garden we never heard the whistle (on TV). WE lost a point on that possesion.
We dominated the final two minutes af the first three quarters only to be dmoinated in the final two minutes of the last quarter. This was a tough loss, but one that will give many lessons learned; first of which is defense wins games.
by NWfan on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
perfect point guard for this team would be Nate himself
in his prime. He was a serious defender, had some range, played three positions, and was a serious floor general. He used to piss me off when he guarded Drexler.
Whoever he takes a shine to, and coaches up, will be a superb player. – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
speaks volumes
Whoever he takes a shine to, and coaches up, will be a superb player
Can we please have that sometime in the next 2 years?
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