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Another NBA Coach Fired

The Minnesota Timberwolves, as somewhat expected, have fired coach Randy Wittman and replaced him with...General Manager Kevin McHale.

Money quote from the article:

“There were certain goals and expectations that we had for this team at the start of the season, and we have not lived up to them,” Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor said in a statement.

Certain goals and expectations...yeah.  Like fielding a competitive team with six power forwards after getting rid of the only one who mattered?  And then throwing in three shooting guards and Sebastian Telfair to complete the rotation?  Oh well, I guess this is a case of "you made the bed, you lie in it" for McHale.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Hope they don't try

to steal any Blazer assistants!!!

by hotstuffdb22 on Dec 8, 2008 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

I love McHale

Maybe not as a great GM or coach, but he’s an awesome person. My favorite episode of Cheers was the one he got distracted counting the bolts in the garden floor.

This coach firing is getting ridiculous. The CBA needs to be re-arranged so that players can be fired. They have much, too much, job security. It’s to the point that guys like Vince Carter play like they do. Blaming a coach may work poltiically, but winning works much better. Destabilizing player contracts would do a lot for the game by motivating players. Then, coaches might actually get listened to before they get fired.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Dec 8, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

It's not the players' fault.

It’s the front office executives’ fault.

by AK1984 on Dec 8, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Does this mean...

that Minnesota will forfeit it’s remaining games against Boston? because I don’t think that’s fair at all.

formerly fromagnon

by The Arkitect on Dec 8, 2008 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

indeed

McHale is the one who made this roster. Let him coach it. Peee – yew. – Elgin

Cat's foot, iron claw - LaMarcus Aldridge screams for more. At paranoia's poison door, alley oop slam throw it down big man. - Variations on a theme by Peter Sinfield.

by 22baylor on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

goodnight, KevinMchale . Sweet dreams

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

Celtics will hire him after the 'wolves fire him

They will ax Doc Rivers and Ainge will coach them. – Elgin

Cat's foot, iron claw - LaMarcus Aldridge screams for more. At paranoia's poison door, alley oop slam throw it down big man. - Variations on a theme by Peter Sinfield.

by 22baylor on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

why would the Cs

ever hire McHale ? He has never been a particularly savvy front office guy. Glen Taylor brought in McHale because he is the most recognizable Minnesota basketball figure. In an interview with Taylor he stated that McHale had to be talked into working with the Wolves and was promised he would have plently of hunting and fishing time.

As far as Ainge being a coach that seems like some speculation as he only briefly coached the suns.

I guess the obvious reason this will not happen is the Celtics just won a championship and have not let up. Why would they change anything at this point?

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone should post a photo collection

Of McCales vast and incredibly lame sweater collection with a poll

by southern oregon on Dec 8, 2008 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

Huckstable-esque

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Dec 8, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I like sweaters and I don't have any good ones

I wish someone would send me a nice sweater for Xmas.

"I would be in favor of trading LMA and Oden for a reliable starting PF at this point."

MT Suit, 11/25/08

by MT Suit on Dec 8, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

My Mom gives me a sweater every Christmas

On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"

by 92wastheyear on Dec 8, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave

Minor typo in your link. Whittman = Wittman

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 8, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks

I knew it looked wrong but I couldn’t figure out how. I was counting t’s when I should have been examining the uninvited h.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 8, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

McHale is the new Isaih

He’s a terrible GM, and now he thinks he can coach as well. Pathetic.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Dec 8, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

The Knicks were better with Isaiah as their coach.

However, they are much better with him out of the mix altogether.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Dec 8, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it that he thinks he can coach

or is Glen Taylor looking for a good way to get rid of McHale? I hope that is it as it seems like Minny has good fans, but nothing to root for.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Dec 8, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

This is extremely disheartening to me

because i really like their team colors.

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Dec 8, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

All These Years

All these years with McHale at the helm and the lack of success they have, you think the owner would be wise enough and fire the GM instead of coaches? Is Minnesota following the successful blueprint of the Clippers …have a GM on for 22 years despite the yearly lottery appearance?

by Balian on Dec 8, 2008 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Dont forget

that they werent always in the lottery as they lost 5 draft picks due to their misdoings in getting Joe Smith.

Also, they made the plays offs a lot with KG around.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Dec 8, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Some owners can be taken in

by a sweet-talking, ash-kissing GM. The only thing that will end the GM’s career is a better ash-kisser somewhere else in the organization.

McHale is one example—Glen Taylor loves him, and nothing will get McHale fired—except for perhaps a coach who is more politically skilled and ruthless. The example of this is Mike Dunleavy undermining Elgin Baylor down in Clipperville.

by EngineerScotty on Dec 8, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

Canis Hoopus is not happy

Not that they thought Wittman was OK, but they feel that the problems are all McHale’s. As Dave said, “you made the bed…” Lots of stories here.

Mama said there'd be days like this - and she was right. Get used to it.

by jorga on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

Soo happy i'm not a wolves fan

That franchise has taken a beating in the last couple of years.

Actually to be frank i’m sort of happy i’m no longer a sonics fan, considering the total mismanagement of that franchise as well.

by moflow on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

They have taken a beating. As had the Sonics.

Two mismanaged franchises the Wolves and Sonics. I feel better dumping the Sonics for the Blazers.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 8, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Self-fulfilling prophesy

When you start firing coaches for not improving terrible rosters, it keeps any good coach from signing on. You’re always going to end up with a mediocre retread or an unproven.

by Lance Uppercut on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Yep. Very true. Gotta change from the TOP -- front office.

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Dec 8, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

actually...

… the fact that he stepped down from the front office could be great for Minnesota— by the end of the year, they’ll realize that he either can’t coach or is a bad front office guy, and they’ll get someone else. What they really absolutely needed was to get him out of the front office, and it sounds like they did.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

I bet that Glen Taylor will hire VP of Baksetball Operations Kevin McHale's eventual replacement ...

from within the Minnesota Timberwolves’ organization, with Assistant GM Fred Hoiberg as a possibility.

by AK1984 on Dec 8, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is

what would it take to chump these fools out of their lottery pick?

by southern oregon on Dec 8, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

Funny thing is, they could have not just one but four (three likely) first round picks.

B-Rex bandwagon begins

by Norsktroll on Dec 8, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Love for OJ Mayo

still shaking my head over that one.

I hate bears

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 8, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

And at Canis Hoopus

they always cite the Roy for Foye deal too. (And Telfair …. )

Mama said there'd be days like this - and she was right. Get used to it.

by jorga on Dec 8, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Bummer

McHale in the MN front office was a truly wonderful gift for the rest of the league. With someone else in charge, they might not continue to be a great place to dump problems, may not skip over quality draft picks, and could even stop making stupid trades.

I’m particularly grateful to him for sending us Brandon Roy.

by hoopla-pdx on Dec 8, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks Minnesota.

At least they sent us Brandon. We did well with that move.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

McHale and Isaiah both gone?

I miss bad GMs.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 8, 2008 8:01 PM PST reply actions  

dwayne casey was coaching them and they were 20-20

i think….then for no good or clear reason they fired him and the descent has been headlong ever since.

casey was good friend of nate’s.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 8, 2008 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

I'll never understand

How team’s with clearly flawed rosters feel like they are accomplishing something when they fire the coach.

Maybe the coach was awful, I dunno. I DO know that the roster is awful and mismatched though, so just starting right there no coach could make it work. It is inherently flawed by having no one over the height of 6’9" who plays and also being a halfcourt team (so, no running around being crazy like a no-one-over-6’7"-Nelly-ball team), 1 good wing player in Mike Miller and an average wing player in Randy Foye (but mostly playing out of position at PG), no defenders (Brewer is KNOWN for defense but in real life he is too weak and not that good), not much shooting aside from Miller, no interior defense… it goes on and on, and none of it involves coaching.

It’s just dumb.

Well, maybe they are putting him out of his misery and trying to force McHale out the door… but I think the only way McHale leaves is if he wants to. Man, he’s an awful, lazy GM. More reason not to hire someone based on their name and only hire those who deserve the job through hard work and smarts (like, say, just a random example, KP). If your GM would never be hired without being a former star player, your GM sucks.

I said it back in the day, but most anyone could see the Love trade biting them in the ass. It’s a curse to be drafted by McHale or to be traded to Minny on draft day, and any questions I had about Mayo’s game were obliterated when McHale traded him. That’s all a player needs to become a good one.

How are Love and Jefferson supposed to play together? Each are undersized PFs. Each are too slow so they gain no advantage in the quickness category like most undersized PFs. Jefferson CAN play center, but for a career? That ain’t right. If they didn’t intend on trading either player, why would you pick Love when you have Jefferson?

In my talks on the Wolves blog, some of their main posters said Love will become a great backup PF… for which I replied, why would you use the #4 pick on a backup? It makes no sense.

The move for Love and Mike Miller is something a team on the brink does; get a potentially good ROLE player in Love and a solid consistent vet in Mike Miller. Like Rudy Gay for Battier (which Houston did in 2006). For a team that is already awful and needs as much young talent to build around as possible, to take a guy who not only plays the same position as your best guy but is incapable of playing another position… unless he is clearly BPA, it’s a dumb move. And if you thought Love was BPA, you might not have the best talent evaluation skills.

Oh McHale… I hope he doesn’t go anywhere. We need one GM like that in the NBA. I feel awful for Minny fans, but too many defend what he is doing anyways. He just needs more time!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Dec 9, 2008 1:21 AM PST reply actions  

Canning the Front Office is what TRULY helped

But yeah, aside from Curry and Marbury, the Knicks team is basically the same and they are playing much better with D’Antoni over Isaiah. The coaching was the problem because the same dude was the GM, and that’s gonna be the same as the Wolves…

That’s a whole messed up scenario that is mostly unique to them. EVERYTHING needed a change.

With the Wolves, I have no idea whatsoever how Whitman is as a coach, but it’s clear the front office is the problem… not the coach. And now the front office is in charge of the team, and the same thing will happen— bad mismatched players playing bad.

If they get Nelly or D’Antoni, who both seem to be able to do what they want offensively with ANYONE, then that’s another matter also. The Wolves aren’t gonna get any namebrand coach like the Knicks could, and any young coach who might BECOME good won’t seemingly get a chance to stick with the team if they’re blaming dudes like Whitman and Dwyane Casey for the team’s failure.

Like I said, Whitman might be a God awful coach. I just don’t think most any coach could win with that roster.

Morty

by Mortimer on Dec 9, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup

I think it was the Basketball Jones (You probably already listened too it) that had two theories. One it’s an opportunity to save money by not having to pay for a coach. I’m not sure about that, because it always seems like the coach gets to keep his money. Their second theory was that the owner is setting up McHale to be fired. Basically if McHale can’t win with the team he built, then it is his job to lose.

by tominhawaii on Dec 10, 2008 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

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