Game 21 Recap: Blazers Not Enough, Celtics Too Much
(That means a 93-78 loss, if you don’t know already.)
General Observations
The Celtics are the Celtics.
From moment one of this game their defense was spot-on and active. Even when the Blazers kept the game close they were struggling for every bucket.
If you’re looking for technical reasons why this game flopped outside of how good
--The guard defense was poor all evening long. It started in the halfcourt with Rajon Rondo doing whatever he wanted but the real backbreaker was when our guards and small forwards didn’t get back in transition. We got burned by more unnecessary fast breaks tonight than we did all last month. The
--The Blazers gave up a TON of offensive rebounds tonight. I was just as shocked about this as about the transition lapses. It was bad. Sure, part of it was Oden’s foul trouble but you didn’t see anybody besides the centers grabbing boards or even boxing out that well.
--The Celtics prevented the ball from moving which hurt our offense. This was exacerbated by our usually steady three-point shooters missing everything they threw up. I feel pretty safe saying that any game in which Portland shoots 2-11 from distance is a game the Blazers will have a hard time winning. Once we started missing we started hesitating. Once we started hesitating we were done. The ball moved slowly. Players were forced into awkward, one-on-one shots. Some of our usual heroes tried to bail us out but they faced a defensive swarm every time they made a move and they couldn’t get enough help to ease the strain. 11 assists on 29 shots is well below the norm for a good
--When an opposing team’s fifth leading scorer scores as many as your leading scorer you’re going to lose.
--The Blazers disintegrated psychologically in the latter part of the second quarter and they never got their equilibrium back. We got beat mentally and emotionally as much as physically and talent-wise.
Individual Observations
I have a long-standing practice that on a night like this when the game totally falls apart nobody gets individual accolades. Anyone disappointed because they thought their favorite player did something nifty should also note that this means nobody gets lambasted either. Until the game went completely beyond reach I had a huge collection of notes about the shoddy performance of our individual players, including some that are fan favorites. No need to dwell on them at this point, I think.
Instead I will offer this observation:
We saw tonight not only that as a team we’re not ready for this level of competition, but that the same holds true of many of our individuals. I’m not trying to pin too much on this game. I am saying, though, that one of the penalties of having a bunch of young players like this is that when things start falling apart--or even deviating from the norm in some ways--they don’t know how to compensate. We saw that clearly tonight from many players who have had otherwise good seasons. All of the guys that people have been screaming to see more of in different situations got a chance tonight. None of them made a difference and hardly any of them came through. This is one reason people should be cautious when speculating that a player should be given more playing time and responsibility than they’re getting. Players exposed before their time don’t get better, they get slaughtered.
This is a point people often miss. Once of the great strengths of this coaching staff--and this has been true ever since they got here--is that they know how to put players in situations where they can succeed. Our coaches never, ever get credit for that. It’s horribly ironic. The better the coaches do their jobs by making sure their players are getting time in optimal situations that make them look their best the more they get yelled at for not playing them in other situations. There weren’t any optimal situations tonight. A game like this shows the readiness, or lack thereof, of our players to face that condition. Many weren’t ready. But this highlights how well we’ve seen these players used so far that little of that has showed up or affected the team and its record.
Final Thoughts (and there are a bunch of them)
1. This was playoff-level basketball. In fact I’m not sure the Celtics came as hard tonight as they would in a playoff series. The Blazers can learn from this for their own post-season ventures. We are more than ready for the regular season. We are ready to take a place in the playoffs and we will. But there’s a long way to go before we’re confident that we can succeed there. Fortunately there’s also a ton of season left.
2. Kevin Garnett had his bag of tricks open again tonight. The crowning moment came when he got down like a dog on all fours after Jerryd Bayless on an inbounds play late in the fourth. (I don’t know if the local TV cameras caught it but the ESPN cameras did.) The national announcers were flabbergasted, saying they’d never seen anything like that. I am not into giving Garnett credit or attention for his antics but that grandstanding, combined with the drubbing we took, needs to be enough. I will tell you that should that ever be repeated I would have zero problems with Bayless or anyone else turning and kneeing Garnett upside the head when he’s down there like that. Either that or fire a bounce pass hard off the floor and up into his face. I know a suspension would follow, but how long could it be after provocation like that? The guy was down on all fours crawling across the court in a game where his team was up by 13. If this were the old
Were I the Blazers--and I’m talking the players and not the coaches--this would be part of what I’d be talking about in a player’s only meeting on the plane or in the hotel tonight. I am not suggesting the Blazers start anything. But for their own good they need to respond if anything like that is repeated. This has gone far enough now and it’s starting to affect the reputation of this team, if not the team’s perception of itself. That cannot be allowed to happen. They need to show
3. The Blazers need to make a very good showing when
4. Beyond that, I will repeat what I said in the game preview. This really doesn’t matter that much. It’s one loss in December to the Celtics on the road. That’s it. What matters is what happens on Sunday in
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Here are my thoughts
I thought Nate’s decision to play the bench the entire 4th quarter was the right choice. The starters put the team in the hole in the 3rd quarter and the bench played well enough to cut the lead. The bench deserved to continue to play even after the Celtics put their starters back in the game because the Blazer starters played terrible most of the game. I was glad to see Bayless get extended playing time.
Observations
- The Blazer guards not getting back in transition really hurt the team. Especially Rudy and Sergio.
- LMA and Frye were non-existent on the glass. This is not very surprising, but it should give the team some pause about committing to LMA. I don’t think he will be very successful in the playoffs due to the physical nature.
- Blazer PGs were exposed for their limited skill set. Blake can’t do anything but shoot a set jump shot. Sergio can’t do anything except pass. Celtics scouted the PGs and did an excellent job of forcing them to do what they don’t do well respectively. Blake and Sergio also played Rondo entirely wrong. Don’t guard Rondo 40 feet from the basket, sag off on screens and force him to dribble all the way to the baseline. Rondo will make poor decisions by jump passing. To me, this was a coaching error or the players did not follow directions
- Bayless looked 10x better in his stint than before. It looks like he can and is willing to drive all the way to the basket. Something this team desperately needs.
- Oden and Przybilla were both caught out of position off the ball and the Celtics took advantage. I’m not sure if this was a scheme problem or just mental breakdowns.
I thought this was a good game. It exposed all the flaws on the Blazers roster and the Celtics exploited it. I’m sure KP watched this game and took plenty of notes. I can’t be too disappointed because the Celtics deserved to win this game. They played more physical and played with more hustle. The Blazer brass should use this game to evaluate the talent on this team, I think this game said much more than any 40 point win.
On to Toronto!
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: the bench in the 4th
Is this even in question? The game was dead by then…never got closer than double-digits. At the end of a long road trip with another game on Sunday plus Roy already having tweaked something and Greg fouled out, what were the options?
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like some people thought Nate gave up
The game was over in the 3rd quarter in my eyes.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NATE gave up?
Holy chickens dipped in alfalfa! What game were they watching?
Besides, Bayless did OK out there. And Frye SORELY needed the confidence boost after that horrific first half. And we outscored Boston 27-19 in the quarter as it was.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Were people waiting for the dreaded
41-19 quarter?
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave
My main issue with Nate in the 4th, was putting Ike in for Oden when it fouled out. The game was at 11 pts, and Joel should have got the call. Ike is terrible, (although not as bad as frye was last night) and as soon as he came in, he gave up an easy bucket on a simple screen and roll.
by usmcr3049 on Dec 6, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The game they were watching certainly wasn't the same game
Celtics were the far better team in this game. Not even close. I was just happy to see Bayless get some minutes.
As for Frye, I think he’s a lost cause.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been a fan of Frye
For all of the reasons that many in the media and fan ranks alike enjoy him. He’s pithy in an interview and an amicable guy in general, but sadly it isn’t his job to spearhead fan relations. If it were he’d be a failure anyway due to his poor showing on the floor. Again, nice guy, glad he wants to keep Portland weird, glad he wants to help me recycle, to bad his game is weak weak weak. I hate to him go, but I love to watch the Blazers win.
it's kind of hard to keep your composure when you're down 20 -Oden
by pxilpooshr on Dec 5, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously???
You hate a tenth man?
Dude… that’s all i can say to you is dude.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 6, 2008 3:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Frye too
But he seems to be going through a crisis of confidence right now.
There are too many players on this team who are bringing more with their minutes than he is right now for him to get much time on the floor. He’s making Nate’s job easy though, when Martell returns. If he’s not shooting the ball well, he’s a liability. He made several mental mistakes last night that were very troubling. He wasn’t playing with intensity (he wasn’t the only one, but he was the most egregious), and despite people coming to his defense on this count here in the past, he is not an active rebounder all the time – he seems to get most of his boards then he’s playing at the center, which he’s not going to be doing anymore. Last night, no boards in 14 minutes. If they kept a stat called “offensive rebounds against” he’d be near the top of the league in the per 48 minutes stat.
That said, it’s a long season, he could just be going through a bad patch right now. The Blazers have been pretty lucky in terms of injuries to key players (no thanks to cheap shot artists like Garnett, with his “innocent” undercut on Roy), and we may need Channing to step up. If that happens, I hope he’s ready again, like he was last year. Right now he’s looking like an unlikely signee come summer.
by baduk on Dec 6, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave, I respect your opinion...
but your flat out denial of Nate’s having thrown in the towel is ridiculous. After Bayless scored at the 5:35 mark, the Blazers were down just 11 points. According to Bill James basketball deficit calculator, even in a college game, with 35 second shot clocks, the trailing team still has a 22% shot at coming back.
http://www.slate.com/id/2185975/
A one in five chance to take the game, only none of our starters saw the court. The Celtics starters went out there. Did their coach know something our coach didn’t? Like that it was still a game? This wasn’t just the players piss poor effort, Nate had a legitimately bad night out there. And the giving up part at the end, IMO was the most inexcusable.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that put the BlYou want Nate to play the playersazers in that terrible position in the first place?
The bench got the team back in the game, albeit with a little help from the Celtics bench. What would cause you to believe the Blazers starters could muster anything better against the Celtics starters?
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
it starts with Brandon Roy. The things he’s able to pull off in 4th quarters, and even in 4th quarters of games where he has sucked for the first 3 quarters. We all know how clutch he is.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
the celtics are better.
And frankly… i like the starters watching while the second unit pulls them close. I want their egos bruised. I also want them rested, healthy and TICKED when they take on toronto.
There are two teams in the league that will own the blazers. Lakers and Celtics. Both are flat out better right now. Sorry you can’t see that.
Nate made the right call for a number of reasons.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 6, 2008 3:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would probably add the Cavs to that convo with the ball they are playing
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 6, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because they had played them closely for the first 15 minutes?
by LetsBlaze on Dec 6, 2008 5:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then proceeded to get blown out
The complexion of the game changes over 48 minutes, there’s no point in running your starters ragged if the Celtics aren’t going to take their foot off the pedal defensively.
"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 6, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how many times have you seen a star have a bad game...
and then pick it up down the stretch?
There is no way we had a better shot to come back from 11 down with Roy on the bench. No way. As soon as Doc put his starters back in, Nate should have countered by putting Roy in at the very least, and probobly Joel and LMA also.
Very unlikely that this cost us the game, but I agree that Nate gave up. If he was sending a message to his starters, then I’m ok with this, however.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 6, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
makes you wonder if he was waiting for one of em to ask to be put back in....
speculation of course, but….ya never know.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen this done year after year
I’ve seen lots of blowouts where the scrubs get the team back within an unlikely comeback and the scrubs get to stay in. The only time I’ve seen the scrubs get taken out was when they were tired. The scrubs were playing better than the starters so they earned their playing time. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp. Every starter was ineffective except for Roy, who was hurt. Nate didn’t give up, he is a fair coach with common sense.
by tominhawaii on Dec 6, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Unlike the people that think Nate gave up – the coaching staff is seeing the big picture. The injuries, the game in Toronto, and the dire situation of the game.
Get real.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I ain't tryin to say that nate gave up,...just that nate was giving brandon and the rest of the starters the opertunity to take their lumps and get back out on the court...
by demanding to be re-inserted into the game.
AND that none demanded to do so….the team was beat and gave up, not nate.
again, just a speculation and a pretty far fetched one at that. ;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You keep bringing up the 22% thing
And it had no relevance whatsoever in this game. Maybe against Toronto or Golden State. But not against the Celtics or Lakers. Not happening. Not with where there heads were and ours. Never
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 6, 2008 5:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Nate spared our Starters from the most embarasing moments of their lives...
All of em were giving a little jaw to the Devious Green jersey’d guy’s….roy, aldridge, shoot, even oden (who gets a pass as he fouled out and left it all there despite it being little)…
And if you’ve ever talked a big game and then fell flat on your face….it’s tough to get up the next morning…. Anyway, I think maybe nate was protecting the starting team from their own emotions…cuz I swear if roy was put back in, he’d have punched someone…..
he’s the leader of this team, and when he can’t get crap rolling in the right direction and it don’t even get a little better…..it get’s stressful…then throw in a kg and a peirce…. down right unbearable…
nate maybe saved us from a 3 player suspension for a few games…ya never know, we’ll certainly play brandon 45 min come the portland meeting.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only Ike had punched out K.G.
That would have made the whole debacle of a game palatable. At the very least, he should have kicked K.G. in the sack when he was doing his whole dog imitation.
I’m seriously wondering why K.G. didn’t get an automatic ‘T’ for unsportsmanlike conduct for his behavior.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how bout one
for being a jerk……That would have been 2 and out…..He’s was a jerk when he walked onto the floor at tip off….Come to think of it, he wouldn’t finish many games…….Pierce is not much better…..the NBA could use some work on it’s image …I mean I guess young kids watch this game…..this stuff is so immature…..If nothing else they should give them a public spanking…..shake the letters off their jersey’s and make them stand in the corner with a Blazer ball cap on…(next to Oden)…..
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 6, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With two relatively evenly matched teams
Such as you typically find in College hoops games, then you might have an argument. The other reason College games can turn on a dime so quickly is that most collegians play very poor defense, with a lot of zone. Put that together with a shorter three point line and you’ve got yourself a 22% chance.
Seriously, there was less than 1 half of a percent chance the Blazers could have come back from an 11 point deficit against the world champs on their own court, not too mention the suffocating style of defense they play. That eleven point lead might as well have been fifty.
by nikolokolus on Dec 6, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The people questioning it
In, like, 3 fanposts or so, are the WE SHOULD WIN EVERY GAME OR EVERYONE SUCKS crowd.
If you aren’t allowed to lose to the Celtics in their own building, when are you allowed to lose? I don’t understand ’em.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Fine to lose.
Hard to be totally dominated.
by lethaldose on Dec 6, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
They seem to totally dominate a lot of games.
If we made it to the Finals, and got blown out by 40 in the last game, it would be hard to be totally dominated.
But it still would be an incredible accomplishment and a great season….
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 6, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, if under the above criteria
Oh well, we were due a whipping, hopefully we can learn from it. I am sure the coaching staff will make sure of that. Maybe the best thing that could have happened to us.
by lethaldose on Dec 6, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
We’ve played some bad games and got the win. It is good for a team, in the long run, to occasionally pay a price for a bad game. Especially if it happens on national TV. That leaves a taste in your mouth that you never want again.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 6, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a total misrepresentation of most of us
Allowed to lose? I don’t even understand that concept. Its not life or death, the problem wasn’t that we’re allowed to lose, its that Nate gave up. He had apparently thrown in the towel 5 minutes earlier so he either didn’t realize how close the game actually was, or he really thought Bayless and Frye gave us a better chance to win (c’mon really? we know thats not true). It was a flat mistake on his part, and even though most of us are fine with the loss, and quite frankly expected the loss, it hurts that not only some of the players gave up, but the coach gave up. On a team like this, the coach CAN NOT give up.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a blowout
Our starters sucked.
You think of tomorrow, the next game, the next month. You don’t put in a hurting Roy and other ineffective starters to try to come back from a double digit deficit against these Celtics.
That ain’t giving up, that is smartness. We lost. Play for the future.
Not every game has someone to blame, aside from not being as good as the other team. I think our talent will match theirs someday soon, but their experience and defense just trumps ours.
The coach playing guys who haven’t played much in game 4 of a 5 game road trip, or guys actually doing decent, is not quitting. You don’t burn out your best players (who ain’t playing their best) when the game is clearly lost and the trip ain’t over.
I think there are groups of fans who, at least immediately after or during a loss, find such a thing unacceptable and not allowed. They get too upset over reasonable losses that are totally expected, and try to assign blame for the loss. In a game like tonight, there is a reason we lost: they are better than us. There’s often no reason deeper than that.
It isn’t the coach (what else could he do?), the individual players, or anything else. We lost to a better team.
And just so everyone knows, we’re gonna lose 20-something more games this season. Those won’t be a big deal either.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 6, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
This game wasn't over by any stretch.
As the numbers indicate. 20% with a 35 second shot clock.
The thing about it was, in their half court sets, we were doing a mighty fine job shutting them down. Throw in a Roy drive or two, and a bomb from Rudy or Blake, and we’re down 5 with 3 minutes left. Not having Roy in that game down 11 with 5:35 left is inexcusable in this kind of game. Again, I reference Doc Rivers. Why on earth was HE putting in his starters? He clearly didn’t think the game was over. Nate should stop thinking half empty with this roster full of talents, and start realizing this teams potential. We are one of the best teams in the league at 3 pointers… we should’ve at least taken a shot with the players that would’ve given us the best chance to win.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers
were not accumulated against the Celtics, who are not only World Champions but the best defensive team in the league both this season and last.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And if they're measured by a 35-second clock
they weren’t accumulated in the NBA either.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you're trying to say, but...
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was possible at 8 min left and were down by 11, but I only thought that way until I seen travis
look up at the clock/scorboard and shake his head in defeat….he did too….he glanced up…did the math in his head (it was cool cuz you seen the numbers in the back of his head) and then once he had the figure “down by 11” he looked at the clock and shook his head as if saying, “not possible”…and then I turned down the t.v. and admired jerryd….(I was mad libbing his lips) and I esspecially liked the little shove he gave perkins and garnet to get through their little fun baracade after jerryd made his layup…..he was like ,,,“get the $*%&#^ out of my way” and they were like…who’s this short dude….then he shoved his way through em….it was great……AND HE DIDN’T BOUNCE A BALL OF HIS FOOT!!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 6:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They just kept us on a string
They put their starters out and scrubs in with a 25 point lead. Then but the starters back in with about 13 or 11 for a few more minutes, incl. the setup of KG for the alley-oop. Then the scrubs came back in for the last two minutes. If they had wanted to not rest their starters, they could have kept and probably increased the 25 point lead. There was nothing to be won in that game after three quarters.
B-Rex bandwagon begins
by Norsktroll on Dec 6, 2008 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.: This is not to criticize faith’s comment, more in the general direction of the “we could have won this game if Nate didn’t screw it up in the last quarter” camp.
B-Rex bandwagon begins
by Norsktroll on Dec 6, 2008 7:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh no...
not me man, I knew at the end of the first half that we had our mojo stolen.
I kinda like toms comment down below, we learned from last year, but apparently only learned enough for 1 quarter…we still need to learn the other 3 quarters from the celtics…
or something to that effect….my repsponse was…great!! that sucks!
or something like that. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats aren't completely representative of the game situation
also. There’s a huge difference between hanging around close all game and finding yourself down 11 with 5 min to go vs. getting blown out and then having a team’s 2nd string ease up on the gas a little bit. If the celtics and blazers had both played a normal rotation (all starters playing normal minutes and sub patterns), the game would never have gotten that close to begin with.
by Royster on Dec 6, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That and
what were the chances of a full comeback? The margin would have had to be 41-19 instead of 27-19. That’s not too far off of our once-in-a-lifetime “Perfect Quarter” against San Antonio back in ’91. Besides Greg being out and Brandon maybe not at full strength (so who are you putting back in?) how many minutes do we get to see guys like Bayless and Frye play lately? You want to take them out when they were doing well in order to make a basically impossible comeback try in a game you were never really in against the World Champs at their place?
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize most here were ALSO in the business of giving up
Are you really trying to feed me the story of getting to play guys like Frye and Bayless at the expense of a potential win in the standings? It would’ve been hard, but we’ve already had a less improbable thing happen this year (Roy’s Rainbow). The Celtics are great, but make them finish us off.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're looking in front of your nose
and you can’t see the horizon.
REasons to bench:
Injuries: What would you say if roy came back in and then was out five games due to making his injury worse?
Pride: The blazers got killed and the BENCH came in and pulled the blazers back. How do you think they’d feel if benched? How do you think the starters feel WATCHING that? The second unit has the pride that they started coming back and forced the starters in. The first unit has the bruised ego. That’s motivation for the future.
Rest: Blazers have another road game. I don’t know if you know it, but we just rested players for that game. We rested simmering ready to pop players.
The long haul: This is about winning multiple games, not just one. In chess you lose a piece to gain a bigger advantage. We would have lost that piece anyways. If this were the play-offs, I’d be much more likely to agree, but this is one game and that means a much longer view of things than you’re taking.
Celtics are better. Flat out hands down. That will change, but not likely this year.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 6, 2008 3:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ok
Injuries: Are part of the game, you can’t coach because someone might get hurt.
Pride: Maybe the bench used up all its energy in their comback? They had been on the court most of the 4th. Besides putting Ike in after Oden fouled out was the white flag, Joel should have gone in.
Rest: The team has a day off today, and they stayed overnight in Boston, which means they should be rested enough for Toronto, it is not that long of a flight.
The long haul: One game at a time my friend. You can’t look ahead, you have to play the game in front of you to win it.
In the end, YES the Celtics are better. I don’t think we would have won if we put even all the starters back in, but putting in Ike instead of Joel was a mistake as right after that move, we gave up 3 layup/dunks, which Joel wouldn’t have allowed, or at least put someone on their butt.
by usmcr3049 on Dec 6, 2008 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just FYI
Joel is hurt also, just like Roy.
In an effort like this, I don’t think Joel woulda’ helped. Hell, we needed to outscore them by a HUGE amount and we kept them to 19 points… Joel wouldn’t have been able to help THAT much.
Some games, you need to keep fighting. Some games, you need to show their players that they got work to do. We got work to do.
Morty
by Mortimer on Dec 6, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel's ankle
Has not been right for several games. Best not waste the troops in a massacre.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously guys,
Do you really think you are more capable of making the correct decision in that circumstance than McMillan? Do you think he likes losing?
So what if he determined that the game was lost by at the start of the 4th quarter? As11osu’s supposed 22% chance aside, Nate’s played in and coached more NBA games than all of us combined. I’m betting he knows when to throw in the towel and prepare to fight another day.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and The Thunder would also have 22% chance winning against the Celts.
Roy got hurt by KG, and if Nate would put Roy in and he got season ending injury, everybody would be saying “what was Nate thinking”, since this game was lost at half time.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 6, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but
Getting down 25pts in the third and 20pts entering the 4th quarter is a close game since… when exactly? You have a weird definition of “close games.”
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by damir on Dec 6, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if he did?
There are more factors involved than than just what’s going on that moment on the court.
aAs Mort points out, Nate is looking at a bigger picture. So ask youself – who is likely to be better at evaluating the situation? You or Nate?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I could rec your comment a hundred times,
then Mort, I would do so.
by champs2011 on Dec 6, 2008 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe you
since you CAN rec it once, and didn’t. ;)
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by jscot on Dec 6, 2008 1:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im glad Blazers didnt loose to NY or Wizs but to the Champs.
If you loose to a bad team, its a lack of effort, and you cant learn to much from that. If you loose to a better team, its a lack of developed talent, tricks, and experience, and you can learn from that.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 6, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i had switched over to channel 8
and so i missed the garnett provocation you mention. i can’t really picture it, either. down on his hands and knees? i don’t get it.
ignacio
by ignacio on Dec 5, 2008 11:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Boston dunks the ball
Portland goes to inbound from the baseline. Garnett sneaks up on Bayless by going down on all fours and crawling behind him. I don’t think he got that close. The camera view switched away. But he did it. The announcers said they’d never seen anything like it. They also commented how Garnett had a thing for point guards.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wasn't that a technical foul?
Oden’s dunk and tap on the backboard is way less demeaning than being on all fours barking.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he barked
I think he was just showing us up.
But you’re right…if you’re not going to let the players solve it at some point the officials need to.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him do this to Jose Calderon...
and i think barking was involved or something to that effect. i think Nate needs to have Maurice Lucas run 1 practice sessions solely based on “toughness” and “response” to these antics…
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers need to make noise about this with the league,
if he’s done it before he’ll do it again. Someone does need to pop him hard with the ball right in his face they cant ignore that. Watching the ESPN game you heard alot of cuss words. Did anyone see the ref step between Brandon and Pierce when Brandon was shooting that freethrow. He yelled something like “are you guys done yet?”
by lethaldose on Dec 5, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
priorities straight
I strongly disagree about doing anything that would result in a suspension. Just do what it takes to win. Garnett’s antics don’t matter.
by cantdunk on Dec 6, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that means Shavlik and Raef needs to be the ones doing the hurting...
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Irregardless
it’s garbage, if Garnett were anybody but Garnett, he would have gotten straight tossed for that. I watched Sheed pick up enough techs for merely looking at officials after a foul to know how little it takes.
If the league is going to make Dikembe not wag his finger “at” a player without giving him a straight tech for taunting, at least have some consistency. I have no problem with players reacting passionately, but give me a break. You have to draw the line somewhere.
by Royster on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
please choose one or the other:
Regardless,
or,
Irrespective.
“Irregardless” is not a word.
"I would be in favor of trading LMA and Oden for a reliable starting PF at this point."
MT Suit, 11/25/08
by MT Suit on Dec 6, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it.
Not sure why, but that’s one usage that I always feel compelled to correct.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have to use real words on this site now?
Gosh, I miss the good old days.
In all seriousness, though, my bad. It looks pretty ridiculous seeing the post title the morning after now.
by Royster on Dec 6, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
worry not
perfection is in the eyes of the beholders……but most of us don’t care….we got it, as is…… I figured it out, only .0003% cared (well maybe some cared, but didn’t feel it necessary to comment)
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 6, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Bayless has been such an integral part of this team. Somehow i think we could do without his services for a couple of games. Blazers can cover his fine somehow.
by lethaldose on Dec 6, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....
I say do it, and don’t think twice about it….
this remindes me of a cartoon back when clinton was in office,…
clintons standing there big chin and all. ….. the dearly departed sadam walks up and wacks of clintons tie with a pair of sissors, ….they chill for a second…then sadam gets a cup of tea….and throw’s it in clintons face…….they chill for some more, then sadam goes and blatently smacks bill across the face……
the final frame has sadam standing there with his arms up screaming “How much more of this do I have to take!”
I don’t know why that came to mind, but it did and I thought I would share.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
regarding the dog act
What KG did transcends all the crap written above about the league should do something, nate threw in the towel, etc.
At some point you can’t rely on anyone else taking care of your problem. You’ve got to deal with it. The blazers cannot rely on the league, Nate, the officials taking care of garnett, or any other f-*&^%g punk/thugs out there. They have to do it themselves and damn the suspensions! First and foremost they are men living in a very macho world. They wouldn’t take that crap on the playground and they shouldn’t take it on an NBA court. Kicking, punching, throwing a ball in garnett’s face or nether regions would have won them many games the rest of this season and in the playoffs. Now, they will just be challenged again.
They needed to man up and didn’t.
by rburg on Dec 6, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden needs to cut that out
If he focused less on the windup and follow through, he’d likely get a lot fewer dunks blocked.
He could take a page from Roy or Aldridge here, go up quick, power through, turn and defend.
by baduk on Dec 6, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT question!
He seems to be able to taunt at will and it’s okay. Just “part of his game”. disgusting.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 6, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody wonder why Garnett wasn't called for a tech...
… for hanging on the rim after his dunk, as Greg was?
I’m curious as to what the process is by which a team starts getting the ref’s to look at them differently and give them the benefit of doubt? Boston has a rep (backed by the stats) for being a tough defensive team. I can’t help but believe that this translates into a mindset by the ref’s that keeps them from blowing their whistle on a lot of contact.
I’m certainly not blaming this game on the ref’s. But it looked to me that Roy was getting mugged, held and grabbed nearly everytime he touched the ball. The play he was injured was a direct result of Garnett purposefully backing into him as he went up for the rebound. On the play they called the charge on Roy – a good call – he was grabbed at the top of the key as he went by his defender. You could see his jersey pulled away from his torso. No call. I realize that Brandon’s starting to get more calls as people realize how good he is. But apparently it’s not enough to trump the current version of Celtic mystic that has the ref’s a bit entralled.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm???
They also commented how Garnett had a thing for point guards.
When did we switch from discussing ESPN to Oz?
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KG is a vampire.
He needs to suck others energy and confidence out, to feel good.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 6, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How'd Bayless do Dave?
I was driving home from the pub, didn’t wanna buy a beer if I felt like throwing it…
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by HurraKane212 on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mostly I liked his toughness
It’s hard to measure his play in garbage time, because who knows who is playing hard against him? But he didn’t let Garnett take him out of his game and he hustled. Those are good signs to me.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if blake or sergio ever sprain an ankle look out
ignacio
by ignacio on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless is in impossible spot
With Sergio’s trade demands and everybody worried that his departure will upset Rudy, and McMillan’s tendancy to stick with a proven vet like Blake over a rookie, Bayless isn’t getting a chance to show what he can do.
He will never be a Steve Nash or Chris Paul type PG. However, he is a MUCH better offensive player than Blake or Sergio could ever dream to be. I think Rondo did expose some weakness in Bayless ability to guard the “really quick” PG in the league, but he should be more capable than either Blake or Rudy.
McMillan’s in a tough spot. They really need to start looking at a line up with Bayless and Roy on the floor together. It would be one more problem for defenses to worry about. Honestly, I think with some experience, Bayless will just as deadly with the WIDE OPEN three’s that Blake is currently hitting, and is way more explosive taking the ball to the basket.
Finally, this team is missing some toughness. Tonight, even Brandon showed some weakness. Based off what I’ve seen of Bayless, this is not in his personality and he will NEVER back down to any NBA player including KG!
My hopes is McMillan starts cutting Blake and Sergio minutes and starts trying to get Bayless some regular minutes every night!
by RIP CITY on Dec 5, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Bayless raises the team’s ceiling, pure and simple.
I trust Nate and company to make the right decision for both the team and for Bayless’s development, but if it were up to me, it’s worth a few losses to get the kid on the court and see what he can do.
The team has proven this year that it’s a contender – for a top 5 seed in the West. But not for a championship. And until Bayless gets more time, I think WCF is the ceiling for this team. No way Portland has a realistic chance of getting past LA with Blake starting at the point.
Clearly, thinking in those terms THIS YEAR is more than a little premature. But what about next year or the year after? Is a year or two of experience going to change the dynamic? I don’t think so.
This team doesn’t seriously challenge LA for the next FEW YEARS until Bayless (or a player to be named) is running the point.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 6, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like more than his toughness
I thought B-Rex looked GREAT.
I don’t think you can call it garbage time down 11 with 5 minutes to play. I don’t necessarily agree that you need to throw all the starters back in, as debated above, but there is SOME possibility of erasing that deficit, clearly.
Either way, Bayless looked decisive and comfortable out there, and he obviously has physical skills that most PGs (especially Blake) simply don’t have. That crossover off the pick-and-roll is lethal when he controls it. His explosion to the bucket and ability to rise up and knock down the pull up J remind me a little bit of a young Devin Harris. Given Devin’s recent play, that’s obviously a very, very good thing.
I thought Bayless looked for the first time this season like the confident, physically dominant player who owned summer league. It completely salvaged the game for me.
Losses happen, and bad losses happen, especially on the road to the 18-2 defending champs. But I think Portland may have gotten its first glimpse this season of the PG of the future, and it’s not going to take RLEC to acquire him.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 6, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Comparison
Harris has a lot of the same attributes Bayless possesses, I think he could put the Blazers over the top if he develops over the next couple years.
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
Just a couple of months ago everyone was saying that the Greg was the one to put Portland over the top – passing the torch over to Bayless so soon are we?
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Parker/CP3/Nash stopper
I would help us a lot if we had a PG who could match up on the defensive end with some of the quicker PGs. Obviously, you can’t “stop” any of those guys 1 on 1, but Bayless has the tools to give them problems/make them work for everything they get.
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's passing the torch...
Oden (for all the criticism he gets) has already made a HUGE impact just by being out there. The Blazers were a bad rebounding team last year and now they’re fourth in the league in rebound rate. The Blazers were a bad defensive team to start the season (second to last in D efficiency) and now they’re back up near the middle of the pack.
Most of that is attributable to Greg’s presence (the change, I mean – Pryz does just as much for the D and rebounding, but the key is having them both).
Upgrading the point to an offensive weapon and a non-liability on D is just the next step, that’s all. It’s not meant to diminish Greg’s impact.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 6, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harris was also
Widely considered the best defensive point guard in the league when he was with Dallas, on top of being a great great scorer (obviously) and a good passer. Bayless hasn’t shown two out of those three. He’s just quick, and Devin’s quick. Comparison over.
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by maxmillian on Dec 6, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats the best comment I've read all day
I gave you one rec and if you were here, I’d give you the best #$^ #$^ you’ve ever had in your life.
by tominhawaii on Dec 6, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he played well
he was tough and gritty…of course the game was well over and it was against Celtic scrubs, but he was one of the lone bright spots on a bleak night
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in other words...
what Dave said.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of his time was against KG
Re: KG’s junkyard dog antics
I wouldn’t call KG a scrub. A toilet-scrubbing brush of a person, yes, but not a scrub. I mean, the dude made his own teammate cry for pete’s sake!
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought he looked pretty decent.
He certainly wasn’t intimidated by the Celtics. For that reason alone it might have been interesting to have seen him get some court time in the first half.
It was obvious though that his PG skills need a lot of work.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does the game mean nothing?
Certainly in terms of expectations, and the W/L columns, it’s just a drop in an 82 drop bucket. But I remember last year. I remember a very similar situation, with a streaking young team hitting the road as the hottest team in the NBA, losing a demoralizing game (but putting up exponentially more fight) and then wilting for the remainder of the season.
Will that happen again? Or have we grown enough to rise to the occasion and learn from it? I don’t think we can discount the potential psychological effect of taking it to our bully and losing again, and in a humiliating manner.
by zaruga on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We've grown enough
And we have more talent. The bond is too tight. I’m not saying we won’t lose more, but that may have happened anyway. But we’ll overcome this.
Last year it felt like we HAD to win this game because we were on such a supernatural roll you knew it wasn’t real and the first downer was going to break it. This year we’re winning solidly, for repeatable reasons. That won’t disappear.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been focusing on that aspect too.
Last year, a large chunk of our wins during the streak were either last second coin flips, or against poor teams (sometimes simultaneously). We had some great wins, but there was some luck involved. This year our wins have been more solid top to bottom.
What bums me out most I guess (other than the fact that my self esteem is tied to the successes of this team in an inextricable way, and living in Laker land means several more weeks of abuse for this loss) is that all year long, Brandon has been experiencing this awakening. He’s taken the challenges of last year very personally. I mean, did you see him taking it to Artest, the guy who was his poison all last year? Or trading buckets with D-Wade? I thought of all the affronts from last year, the Celtics provided the most egregious. I was eager to see what magic Brandon had in store.
Of course, in the first act of every great sports flick, the good guys have to get spanked by the jerks, so they can rise up, come together and beat them in the finale.
…
I said the same thing to myself last year when this happened though.
by zaruga on Dec 5, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on the ESPN
broadcast, did you see ROY jawing with Pierce, then blow by him for the easy jumpshot? ROY is maturing, and growing up as THE all-star of this team. I didn’t have much of a complaint about Roy in this game. He was 3-11 but almost all of his shots were at the rim, and he was hit on most of them but only got 3 foul calls. Your not going to get many of those calls though against the C’s, so maybe more mid range jumpshots were in order. However I have a huge problem with LMA in this game.
1) He floated toward the 3pt line on almost every drive by our guard, when he should be diving toward the hoop. The c’s were helping off him to cut off the drive, but their rotation was so quick that they could get back to him before he got off a shot if he was passed to. If he would have dived to the rim it would have been a dunk, layup, or foul. I am tired of watching him constantly go away from contact.
2) He didn’t help rebound at either end of the court. He was flat-footed many times and let smaller players take rebounds away from him, Rondo did it twice!
3) His rotations on defense were even slower, he seemed caught trying to think about where he should be, and that is a death sentence on defense against a team like the Celtics.
4) There were many more times I was yelling at my TV because of LMA, but I can’t remember them this morning, which is a good thing. Before the Blazers even think about giving him a big time deal, they need to see an improvement on his toughness. His floating toward the 3pt line is the worst, he does that on almost every play.
by usmcr3049 on Dec 6, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Liked the Roy stepped up on that one play, but...
Seemed like overall he let Pierce get in his head. Brandon’s game is not to get into a one-on-one deul with Pierce or anyone else.
That play was just before the 20-0 run that wiped the Blazers out. Part of the reason was that Brandon killed a few possessions dribbling the ball around gearing up to rob Pierce of his manhood.
That is not the Blazers game. Ignore Pierce. Tell him to shut up, but don’t let him influence you to get into a pissing contest. That’s what he WANTS.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 6, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You must have been watching a different game?
And exactly how can you tell that one player has let another get into his head?
USMCR’s observation on Brandon getting mugged is more on the mark than the assumption that Roy was taken out of the game mentally.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying Roy was taken out of the game
I’m saying there’s a fine line between not backing down to crap-talkers like Pierce and getting caught up in a one-on-one battle that distracts from what you normally try to do.
I think Roy, at times, went back at Pierce in a good way. Let him know there’s a changing of the guard on the way.
Other times, though, I just thought Brandon tried a little too hard to put it back in Pierce’s face.
That’s different from saying Pierce “got his head” or dominated Brandon or something. Sometimes getting fired up at a trash talker can cause you to be more aggressive in a way that disrupts the gameplan. A few times, I thought Brandon seemed to be playing mad.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 6, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could be right.
The problem I have with this is that Brandon is probably the least likely guy on the team to do this. His maturity and unflapability have been a hallmark of his short time in the league.
For me, some of the things you point out are exactly what Brandon does every game. When Portland seems to be stuck on offense or not playing well, it’s Roy that looks to get his shot, drive to the rim, or break down the defense to get an easy assist. He usually does this against the other team’s best defender.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 7, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with you Dave
I feel this type of game shows the talent gap in the rotation especially at the PG and PF position.
With the PG position, I think everyone understands that Blake or Sergio cannot be the starter on the Blazers as a contending team. They both have limited skillsets and their strengths don’t compensate enough to mask their weaknesses. At least there is hope in Bayless as a potential starting PG.
Regarding the PF. I think this comes down to how you think about LMA. I’m not afraid to say that I don’t like his game. He’s soft, doesn’t rebound, defend, or finish well around the hoop. I think the Blazers should think very hard about committing to LMA, he’s not a playoff power forward in my opinion. He’s strengths again doesn’t offset the variety of weaknesses in his game. I think his strength and motor will be an issue throughout his career.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you about the PG position.
I think LaMarcus will be fine. I don’t think you could trade him for someone who would produce equal value, know what I mean? It’s not like you could upgrade him for Bosh, Boozer, Duncan, or Stoudemire.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It comes back to youth for me.
I mean, Drexler was drafted in ‘83, but we didn’t contend until ‘89. That team was already a playoff bottom feeder, but our ascension curve is on a much steeper incline. I’d rather wait and see an actual playoff series or two before proclaiming any of our players playoff flops.
Cliff Robinson was a playoff flop. We didn’t know for sure until he disappeared in the playoffs four years in a row though.
by zaruga on Dec 5, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you see the same thing with LMA?
His game is not for the playoffs. It’s for the mediocre teams with no big man to push him around. He’s not physical and backs away from it. Starts shooting 20 footers and doesn’t get to the line. I don’t care how hard he dunks when no one is around him.
His game has playoff failure written all over.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA is fine. They just need a backup 4 that plays a TOUGH style -- Frye is a joke and Travis is a half-competent 3 that plays at the 4 so he can exploit slow defenders.
It’s just a matter of Point Guard Pritchard and Point Guard McMillan figuring out that THEY NEED MORE MUSCLE IN THE PAINT.
Pryz is FINALLY getting his due this year. It’s not too much to hope that the little light bulb will blink on…
Frye should be gone FAST and FAR AWAY.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 6, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 Rebounds is fine? Letting the Celtics control the glass is fine?
Averaging 6 Rebounds for PF playing over 30 minutes is fine?
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND TRAVIS!!!! NO GO COME PLAYOFFS!!!!...
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nope it is not
He needs to improve it, or not only will he not get a max money deal, he might just be traded.
by usmcr3049 on Dec 6, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA's shooting efficiency stinks
flat out stinks. He’s a pretty good 3rd wheel, but we really need Oden to develop so that he only has to be the 3rd wheel and not the 2nd.
Frye is bad and today he was worse than bad.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Some nights, LMA looks like a great second option. But that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. The problem is that, when LMA isn’t scoring well, it heavily impacts the other areas of his game like rebounding (already a major weakness even when he does give it 100%) and defense.
Learning to keep your motor revved even when the shots aren’t falling is part of the maturation process.
Unfortunatly I don’t think my boy Oden is going to become that type of offensive force this season or next. His abilities will steadily increase, but he shouldn’t be the offensive focal point for probably 2-3 years. At least.
I think the more likely option to add firepower is to get B-Rex into the rotation. He has the offensive skills to alleviate the pressure on LMA and company.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 6, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Lucas!
Anyone have a spare time machine in their garage? I mean, we’d have to wean his 1977 version from wearing short-shorts, but he would have taken out Garnett like the punk he is.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another truism
to stick in your Big Book of Dave Sayings:
It’s hard to know whether someone is a big-game player when they’ve never played in a single big game in their NBA career.
This is something those who are hoping for post-season success this year have to remember. There’s a psychology and intensity to big games that it’s hard to prepare for. Not everybody fares the same. Not everybody picks it up at the same pace. What the Blazers will be trying to do this spring in the playoffs will be akin to trying to fly a plane having read about it and spent a few hours in the simulator but never having actually done it. How many people on our roster have even played in a single playoff contest? Meanwhile they’ll almost certainly be going up against teams who have spent a fair number of hours in flight already.
Can talent overcome that? It can, perhaps. But not unless it’s pretty dominant and even then probably not easily.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I see your point
Wouldn’t you agree this was a big game for the team? It seems like the fans, coaches, and players saw this as a significant game.
I expect LMA to shoot 20 footers and fadeaways. I’ve accepted that part of his game. I don’t like it, but I accept. But what the rebounding? 3 rebounds? He’s a terrible defensive rebounder throughout his entire career. I don’t have any confidence this will change in a big game. It’s not psychological. Rebounding is position, hustle, and strength. LMA is missing all three of those things and a big game can’t bring it out if you don’t have it in the first place.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say about the Big Game thing
I think this was a noticeable game for them, yes. But who knows how they were prepared or how they assessed the situation. Truth be told they could have been thinking as much about how tired they were after an ungodly number of games on the road in the last month as they were about the ramifications (or critical importance) of beating the Celtics. In a playoff atmosphere that wouldn’t have happened.
We know this wasn’t a big game for the Celtics, so at least that part of the equation was missing. I guess part of my definition for a true Big Game is that everybody knows it and prepares for it. And I don’t think any of them happen in December, unless maybe it’s the winner and runner up from last year’s Finals facing each other on Christmas or something.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it, but I disagree a little
at least about it being a big game for the celtics.
They were on a 10 game win streak coming in, we’ve been riding high as the challengers to their, Cleveland and LA’s “dominance” and are sporting are own 6 game win streak, and it’s on their own floor. Maybe it wouldn’t have been the same as them playing LA or Cleveland, but I definitely think the circumstances made it bigger for them than just about every regular season game outside of matchups between the aforementioned teams. I mean, I know that’s nothing compared to a playoff elimination game, but on some level, I think the celtics saw this as a “big game”, at least.
by Royster on Dec 6, 2008 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's raised his game plenty of times
I don’t worry much about LMA, since he is gravy— we aren’t relying on him to carry us like we do with Roy and eventually Oden.
He’s stepped up in games against all Texas teams, the Lakers, Hornets, anyone we’d face in the playoffs. He has sucked against KG, but that’s ok.
I like how (besides his slump this year) he has always bounced back HARD from bad games in the past, and works to improve his PF play. I think his defense has been instrumental in our successes this year, and he’s a perfect match for Oden and Roy (and Oden and LMA really haven’t learned to play with each other yet, always getting in each other’s way… it’ll only get better).
If he was “the man” for us, I’d worry… but he’s brought it when the it needed to be broughten plenty of times.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aldridge
Guys in his third year. I’ve been disappointed in his year this year, but people are seriously expecting insane things from the guy. Wait and see if Aldridge recovers by the end of this year. If he doesn’t, I may agree, but he’s right in line with what Chris Bosh has done and that guy became more and more dominant.
I too would like to see more post and more dominance though.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 6, 2008 3:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh is a year older than LMA.
LMA is not close to being in line with what Bosh was doing last year. Or how Bosh was his third year, if you want to compare years in the league (which is a less legitimate comparison). You could maybe equate LMA’s production at age 23 in his 3rd year with Bosh’s at age 20 in his 2nd year, but I don’t think there’s a good justification for that as the baseline.
by howlingfantods on Dec 6, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
people are expecting him...
… to have more 8 for 15 games and less 5 for 15 games. They are expecting more 9 rebound games and less 2 rebound games. I don’t think those are insane expectations.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 6, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LaMarcus Aldridge is nowhere near the level of Chris Bosh.
Anyone who thinks otherwise should check their sanity in at the door.
by AK1984 on Dec 6, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA is near Bosh
Bosh is tier 1 and LA is tier 2, they’re practically neighbors.
by tominhawaii on Dec 7, 2008 3:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toront game will be the measuring stick...
We played 4 great quarters in Detroit, sub-par in New York and Washington…and 12 ok minutes in the Boston game…at least OUR players didn’t physically cry on national tv…(hahah had to put that in)
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what will toronto measure?
that we can beat bottom to mid level teams? we already know that. boston was the measuring stick and we’re like a foot short dude
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto measures
whether, like the great golfers, we’re able to put this past us and just play our game or whether we let it stick with us and lose two games for the price of one. A loss in Toronto wouldn’t necessarily show that’s what’s wrong but an abnormal loss (as tonight’s was) would cause suspicion.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I mean, if we recovered from the LA game (not right away but our record looks great)
I would think we’re past something like that. but you’re prob right, it would be nice to see them turn around and smack the crap out of toronto
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
If you lose, it need to be because Toronto beat you, not because you left your brain and heart in Boston.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"needs" not "need"
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a tight word to throw down to the cousins!!!
thanks jscot!
n,..no I don’t like asparagus.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the great quotes from
Buck Williams (at least I think it was Buck) back in the day was that the Blazers were good because you’d see them lose one every now and again, but never two in a row. These Blazers aren’t THAT good yet, but the same general principle applies. Win or lose, a good game in Toronto would be a good sign of this team’s stability. I think we’ll see it.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well i do wanna see some carry over from this loss
our guys should be pissed off. I hope they can harness that and use it. take it out on those unsuspecting raptors
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll be angry, too
They’ve just had some really bad blowouts on the road, and this will be their first home game after those blowouts and a coaching change.
This game could determine their season, possibly. If we whip them bad, then the bad times have come home, and the coaching change didn’t help — it can destroy a team’s confidence. If they come out and put a pasting on us, it can turn their whole mindset around.
This one could be very easy, or it could be very tough. I hope we come to play from the start, and get them in a hole — we might be able to win it in the first four minutes.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 6, 2008 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Utah had no big problem beating Toronto
So a win or close loss would at least show we are still in discussion for the NW division. And I expect the Blazers to be fired up for this one to show that Boston was a misstep.
B-Rex bandwagon begins
by Norsktroll on Dec 6, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one challenge with the Toronto game...
I think it’s at 10 am. That’s gonna suck since our new ritual on the road is for everyone to sleep in.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
10am PST
I think Toronto is on EST, maybe CST. So it would be Noon or 1pm game.
by mannyfresh1 on Dec 6, 2008 2:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but the team stay's on pacific time...
right?
so it’s still a 10 am game for them…meaning they’ll be up at what…7-8 and they’re still in boston right? flying out today it’s what like a20 min flight? k, maybe 1 hr.
still early. but toronto just took a little butt romping at the hands of utah, so…..they could be feeling a little frisky too.
this toronto game will be difficult too….given toronto got beat on utah’s court, and are returning home to try and dispatch us. we got beat on bostons court, and now got to go play on toronto’s court, after a tough road loss for toronto….
it’s going to be a heated game again….I expect the team to lay into em early and for toronto to come out in the 2nd with a new attitude…
we need to stay on our toes. I think.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
time zone means nothing
they should come out with fire in their eyes and blow toronto away. that’s the perfect response to last night.
by rburg on Dec 6, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
toronto...
bosh, oneil, caulderon they’re pretty talented.
I agree that we should come out and physically show we’re not weenies, but don’t underestimate toronto. D fence D fence!!!
AND GREG NEEDS TO QUIT KICKING HIS FEET OUT!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
@ stop slapping the backboard please. ty
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 6, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should always do it
I’ll take 15 dunks a night and 15 technical foul free throws a game just so Oden can mark his territory. It’s kind of like the USC and the home jersey thing.
by tominhawaii on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thot that's what urinating
on the home team’s lockers before you leave the arena was for. :(
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 6, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Nate for keeping the starters on the bench.
What in the world is wrong with Garnett? Someone needs to do something about that. Remember when he slapped Tim Duncan in the back of the head? I don’t think he ever got suspended for that. The music on the link is NSFW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpgB7cN12i8
Take away Blake’s 3 point shot and he’s pretty worthless. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but there’s a big difference between a playoff quality PG and one who does pretty well in the regular season. The fact that Derrick Fisher couldn’t contain Rondo is part of the reason Boston won that series. Blake is going to get absolutely killed on defense come April.
Playoff Teams
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups
Chris Paul
Derron Williams
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash
Steve Blake
That’s not going to work.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow that list of point guards really makes blake stick out like a sore thumb
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fisher doesn't count.
We aren’t playing LA in the first round. Jordan Farmar would kill Blake anyway.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 6, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, I really tried to prepare people for KG's Doucheness
yet still there are surprised people amongst us. when freaking DAVE is talking about a player deserving to get kneed in the head, you know somethings up. I can’t believe there were people on blazersedge defending this guy and talking about how great his emotion and intensity is. there is no freaking way I would want that guy on our team. I’ll take his production, but not that attitude/personality/mouth.
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love him on our team
But I would also understand if somebody from another team kneed him in the head and started a bench-clearing brawl for something like that.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha I could imagine being in the stands for that one
hey thats a blazer getting his butt kicked! ah, he had it comin.
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the enforcer!
and luke walton’s namesake (or is it the other way around?).
michelle you look good tonight.. ANYTHING IS POSSIBAAAAAAAAAAL!
by hossticles on Dec 6, 2008 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
that was supposed to be under your next comment about an assistant coach.
i’ll go climb under a rock now.
michelle you look good tonight.. ANYTHING IS POSSIBAAAAAAAAAAL!
by hossticles on Dec 6, 2008 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What happens in a bench-clearing brawl?
Does the entire team get suspended?
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Which is why you don’t have them. Which is good, I guess.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe a certain assistant coach
could just come off the bench…
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want him
He has no class and never shuts he mouth. like I said in another post They (Celtics) can still be that intimitating, tuff team without all of the talking and stupid antics. I really think they can get there message across with there physicall play and the occassional comments at the right times. Kg is the worst of them all, followed by PP. The Sadest part of all is it looks like they are starting to rub of on that nice kid rondo. :( If jesus shuttlesworth starts being a jerk then I will give up on the NBA.
by jcoop85 on Dec 6, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
that’s pretty much where i’d be coming from too. At least we’d finally have someone tough.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 6, 2008 3:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KG
Ought to be fined and suspended. He needs to be hammered the first two times he gets the ball in Portland.
No cheap shots, no injuries, just a hard enough foul to knock him on his rear end.
—-
Toronto got hammered in Utah in Jay Triano’s first game as coach. They aren’t going to be happy, and this will be their first game home after the change. A major test for Nate and the team, to get their heads into this game. The talent is there, the teamwork is there. The problems in this game were largely mental. We need to get mentally cranked up, fast. This is the NBA. The Raptors will want to come out hard and hammer us.
This game could have happened to LA or anyone else. These kinds of games happen when you play away to a team that is going to win 65-70 games. It doesn’t mean much unless you let it.
We’re better than we let them make us look. We’re not good enough yet to keep them from making us look that way. Maybe in Portland….
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 11:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anything IS Possible!!!
Just play this over and over on the big screen when they come to portland just to show how ignorant he is.
by jcoop85 on Dec 6, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Questioning Nate's Coaching
did nate call a single timeout in the second half? did he call more than one in the first half? his team was hauling for him tonight, yet he and his assistants didn’t seem to be doing much on the sidelines. seriously, we’re down by 12…13 with four minutes left and he has no – NO – words of encouragement for his young players who have played a collective 10 minutes for the season?!?! doesn’t think his starters can dig out of this hole with four minutes left? against any other team i think the coaching is different. plain and simple, nate got psyched out and out-coached. the onus is on him. period.
by amitrain on Dec 5, 2008 11:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can see why you would think that...
but it’s probably not the case. You can’t be sure what was said on the bench. Who knows what words of encouragement he had for his players.
Plus, come playoff time all records become equal. It’s just one game and Nate has to be looking long term.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
but you can think/coach long term and still recognize that you’re playing in a game that’s actually happening presently. really? a timeout when we’re in the midst of going scoreless for 5+ minutes wouldn’t have done anything at all? REALLY?
by amitrain on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it wouldn't have helped at all.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 6, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is ironic.
Because Nate called a timeout a few minutes into the third quarter.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 6, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and it didn't help.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 6, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
timeout wouldn't help...
we had the whole half-time to recoup and we came out with a 5 min drought….when you are in the dessert, hard to find an oasis no matter what you do.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dave you made a great point
mentioning a players only meeting. man the guys could use one of those right now because I don’t know what else nate could tell them. at some point someones gotta grow a spine and do something,
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 5, 2008 11:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does Garnett lay it on extra thick to the Blazers?
I’ve watched other Celtics games in the last year and a half and he’s never as amped up (smack talk, etc) as he is against the Blazers.
Is it that we’re young and he knows his games will work?
If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!
by Arby on Dec 5, 2008 11:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
definitely..
because you can see Pierce was adding to it too…he doesn’t typically do that so KG must have said something to him about the ability to get into our heads.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
brandon and oden are young and have received a lot of hype
ignacio
by ignacio on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon earned it...no hype there...
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
brandon is underhyped if you ask me
Greg is overhyped. Rudy is normal hyped.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and LMA is a hypeless wonder.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It strikes me that two teams were mentioned in connection with KG tonight
Toronto, long known as one of the softest teams in the league, and Portland…also not exactly known for tough guys who want to go at you. I would bet KG is always annoying but saves his biggest displays for select teams.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right,
you wouldn’t see him doing that against LA. Truth is we still haven’t proven anything yet. So what if we have a good record. We are just not an elite team yet we sure didn’t prove it tonight.
by lethaldose on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll prove it by 82 games...
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think KG talks much against Chris Bosh...
Predator is pretty tough…I take him in 2010!!!
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 76ers are struggling.
Maybe we could trade for Reggie Evans. He knows how to hurt a man’s pride.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 6, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Celts only play the Blazers twice a year, ONCE on their home court...
…………………… This was THEIR ONE AND ONLY chance for them to send the Blazers a message about what playoff basketball is all about.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so timbo predicts a home town rompin of the celts?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict a narrow Blazer victory, subject to change closer to gametime.
……………. Hawks squeaked by them at home x3, got blown out in Boston x4 in the playoffs last year.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 6, 2008 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical bully
Garnett will try to take as much ground as the opponents give him. He’s the epitome of a paper tiger – if you step up to him, he backs down like a little punk. I mean, how much of a tough guy can you be when Za Za Pachulia can walk you down (I love how KG waits until there’s about 15 guys between them to start talking again. We need to toughen up, and it needs to come from one of the frontcourt guys.
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My dad's advice on bullies
Punch ’em in the nose.
Ike? Shavlik? We’ve got a job for you…
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Link to clip
Sorry, forgot the link to what I was talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6JNQHZSkfE
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure would like to see Buck Williams added to Nate's staff.
He could be assistant coach for on court enforcement. No yapping. No stupid theatrical attempts at intimidation. Just the development of tough, you’re either stupid or a fool to mess with me, manliness.
Buck is and was a gentleman at all times, on the court and off. But he didn’t get messed with and generally, the rest of the team didn’t either, as few in the league were willing to take on Buck.
Speaking of manly toughness, anyone else miss Ime from time to time?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
It would be great if someone on this team fills the role Buck had in his era. Closest thing we have to that right now is Joel.
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buck is a great example of someone that was tough without being a jerk.
It bothers me that some people think toughness is synonymous with jerkishness.
by zaruga on Dec 6, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i read the Celtic's Blog and comments...
and most said the young Blazers look “leaderless…” i hate to say it, but I couldn’t agree more…Joel looked like our leader out there today but he too was flabbergasted by our defensive rotations and their guards constantly breaking us down.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
even Broy has off games
He’ll come back. I think he was hurting from the hammy a lot more than he let on.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we panic...
we went to the Broy 4th quarter ISO, post players on the block, in the 2nd quarter.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh way too much iso tonight
definitely not enough of our usual screen and roll and good ball movement
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, what happen to the "Roll" part of the pick and roll?
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh for sure
you can’t get our offense rolling without it (lame pun intended)
seriously though, that is key. I just was doing some “scouting” (playing NBA LIVE 09) and it seemed like i scored every time I ran a pick and roll. Isos with Brandon and Rudy and LMA failed consistently.
It’s basic fundamental basketball. You pound them inside, wait for them to over-correct, and shoot outside. Pick and roll, pick and roll, pick and pop, pick and roll. Pass, pass, bucket. Back down, pass, pass bucket.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you should play 2k9...
and when they dump it into Oden or LA, where’s the cutter??? Martell is the BEST at it on our team.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeh I'm guessing Rudy does a pretty fine job as well
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 6, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We did this to open the game. I wonder if last night was another case of Nate changing things up when going against a top team. He did the same against the Lakers to start the season and we have been killed both times.
Brett Pill - Lord of the double.
by malarky on Dec 6, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not that that's any excuse
but I do think it was bugging him. Of course, on a night like tonight, I don’t think anyone was very explosive
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the bad guard defense really stuck out to me
ignacio
by ignacio on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't listen to other fanbases analyze your home team
They have no clue.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just an observation that i agree with...some of us have no clue either...
myself included.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well if anyone from boston is reading this, I have an accurate assesment of your team
You guys are big and prideful, and one day you will fall. Hard.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that day is the 30th.
mark it down. we will run an uptempo game and sneeze them by 30. hopefully its on national tv.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough teams win, wimps lose
After Brandon got knocked off the court by KG without so much as a hard foul at the other end, the game was decided. KG went doggy-style to show how little respect he has for the Blazers toughness.
Portland’s Tall Forwards (not power forwards) in 48 minutes LMA – 3 rebounds, Frye – 0 rebounds. KG in 31 minutes – 11 rebounds. KG could have out rebounded both of them while crawling on all fours.
"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
uh, we're 14-7. most of it on the road.
ignacio
by ignacio on Dec 5, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true, but you have to admit
we were abominable against KG. We played scared.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 5, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't show up against LA or Boston
I can forgive the LA game because it was the opener. But Boston kicked our butts twice last year in the same way and we learned nothing from that experience. Tonight they just continued to embarrass us.
"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are the guys to play against Boston: Rex, Roy, Marty, LMA, Pryz.
Guy who should not even be in uniform for that game: Frye.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The team learned a lot from last year
They just didn’t apply it for more than 1 quarter.
by tominhawaii on Dec 6, 2008 3:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so we got 3 more games like this comming from defending champs?
that sucks.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I’m not sure it will take that long to learn. I think they learned a lot last night. I bet they They won’t be pushed around that much again.
by tominhawaii on Dec 6, 2008 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
But I said that after the first Boston game last year… and then after the second… and everyone was talking about it before this game. I have no reason to believe we will be able to compete with Boston on the 30th.
There is no reason to believe we can compete with them, at all, on the 30th.
by TimG on Dec 6, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no reason to believe the Blazers cannot compete with them as well
Martell will be back by then so the Blazers won’t be starting two rookies. The Blazers will probably have more favorable calls from the officials, and the entire roster got a wake up call as to what it is really like to play the Celtics.
by tominhawaii on Dec 7, 2008 3:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that stunk
I’m not shocked we were bullied and beaten on the glass, but I’m surprised it was that bad. I’m not surprised we struggled to score. The transition D was just appalling though. That was a really bad effort and I was surprised they didn’t show up for this one. I expected a competitive ballgame.
I’ve put it behind me now, though, and I’m ready for Toronto.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
next time...
hopefully we can eliminate some OFF boards and run on these guys…that’s our best chance of getting open looks versus their set defensive schemes.
i think we (coaches, fans, players) over-hyped this game to our detriment.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the hype is fine
There’s needs to be expectations on the team so the players don’t feel complacent and happy with where they are.
I rather there be hype and fail miserably then no hype and fail miserably.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess hype is not the right word...
more anxious…i had an anxiety attack before the game.
"I'm pooping a win for the Blazers too!" - my 1yr old.
by broyposse on Dec 6, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...it looks like the players felt the same
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers confuse me
I want all of the Blazers in rotation to learn to catch and pass. Not catch and dribble and pass. Catch and pass. And under pressure…This enables the whole group to develop a sense of rhythm and learn how to move without the ball when the pressure is on.
And I hate 20’ fall-away jumpers.
Go Blazers!
by Blazin' on Dec 6, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
this stuck out to me in jason quick's recap article in the oregonian:
The Celtics entered the game as the toughest team in the NBA to both shoot and score against, and the Blazers quickly realized why. The Blazers said the Celtics pushed, nudged and grabbed all night, taking away two of their strengths — their ability to drive and kick to shooters outside the three-point line, and their ability to get offensive rebounds. As a result, the Blazers made a season-low two three-pointers and were outrebounded 43-31.
This great defensive strategy the celtics employ is nothing more than a whole lot of pushing, nudging, and grabbing. So why can’t the blazers adopt this “style” of defense? would they not get away with it? where are the refs in these games? why would they call it in 80 games out of the year but let it go whenever we play boston? I wonder if our guys consider this dirty defense. would they not stoop to their level? I mean, really, why don’t we do some of this grabbing/holding/barking at people on all 4s…
Brandon Roy: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, drives us to a win. I don’t have to say anything else. You already know the story. The way he gets to the hoop is poetry. How he gets that open is a mystery. He’s the leader and heart of this team and it’s translating into wins right now. That’s all there is to say.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 6, 2008 12:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Everytime we actually do it
We get called for it. I know the refs didn’t lose this game and I know there’s some star treatment for teams of that caliber, but I got frustrated watching some of those calls. Especially that technical on Oden. How often is that actually called?
by Jerb on Dec 6, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When we can go deep in the playoffs
we might start seeing some respect but until then….
by lethaldose on Dec 6, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the veterans
who make up the core of that team wanted to send a message to a young team, and they did.
Just like the big brother who take on one on one for the thousandth time. But it been a long time. Yet this time you finally feel like your faster, better, and sure to win. Well he just does what he’s always done. Kills you yet again….
by lethaldose on Dec 6, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect
the Celt’s defense is a little more than that, but to the extent the assessment holds, a true story:
I am a guy. I grew up with a reasonable amount of physicality as a routine part of my life. Sometimes, as a guy, I give other guys a punch on the arm or whatever in fun. I’m generally decent at gauging how much is the right amount to be noticed but not to hurt or be rude.
My wife did not grow up with said physicality in her background. Sometimes she will go to playfully hit me on the arm in reponse to teasing or what have you. 99% of the time she either misses entirely or cracks me so hard it nearly leaves a bruise. She just doesn’t have the innate sense of how to do it well. (Eventually I just kind of asked her to, you know, stop doing that.)
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense. If they try to do what Boston does (or old New York, Miami, or Detroit did) they are either going to have no effect or do it too obviously and get whistled.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't thought of it like that before.
That would really make sense why we’re always called for it. But I still hate watching our players drag theirs around while they grab our jerseys. It’s like when going through a crowd you grab your biggest friends shirt and have him drag you wherever you’re going.
by Jerb on Dec 6, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I wonder
is how much the Blazers can learn. These guys are athletes. Some of it has to be there. But in general I think there are guys who can get away with crap and guys who can’t. The Celtics have a lot of guys who can, including the guy who’s pretty close to the King (assuming Shaq is the Emperor). The Blazers, I think, have a lot of guys who can’t.
However there is something to reputation and winning record that makes it easier. I agree that once this team has been to the Conference Finals or at least the second round it will become easier to get some of these things by.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly some of this is teachable
The Celtic players weren’t exactly this stiff defensively until a certain coach was on the bench.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
You have to admit some that defensive grabbing and holding is taught. I see all the players doing it.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am waiting for that guy
to come to the Blazers who teaches them all to be semi-nasty cheaters and get away with stuff. I can just imagine the chorus of, “Wait…you can DO that?”
Of course with enough games against annoying vets like KG they’ll begin to pick it up on their own. And I think Nate probably tries to teach them a thing or two. He wasn’t considered a great defender just for his pretty smile, you know.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 6, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it if Nate was a sly dog and keeping some awesome coaching tactics in his back pocket
Like you think we’re good now, wait until I really start to coach.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This was just the sort of thing...
Danny Ainge, and later, Scotty Pippen brought to the team. It’s exactly why a few of us were agitating for a “wiley veteran” a couple of years ago. I think it’s hard for so many young guys who are really just learning the NBA game to learn these little things from each other.
At this point, though, I guess that’s a bridge we have mostly already crossed.
"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma
by -ken on Dec 6, 2008 3:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RODMAN RODMAN RODMAN RODMAN RODMAN!!!! DENISE RODMAN!!!
1000 times over….cut raef, and sign RODMAN!!!!
I swear, all we would have had to do was put him in at pg, and let havoc be laid…..k maybe not pg, but really,
DENISE RODMAN!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that would bring us on the front page of every major news publication for a day ;-)
B-Rex bandwagon begins
by Norsktroll on Dec 6, 2008 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think Bowen would like a change of venue?
Maybe he can be a big brother / mentor to someone on our team…
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we bring back Ime Udoka
… after he’s had three or four season’s learning from Bowen’s bag of tricks.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 6, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
certainly think...blah...I'm getting tired
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 6, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense"
That is all the recap you needed for this game.
"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 6, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
After watching what Rondo is able to do out there defensively...
did any of you have a hankering for a Ricky Rubio in the future? I know its tantamount to treason around these parts, but I’d give up LaMarcus straight up for the kid.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If your left leg was lost in an accident would you trade your right arm to get a new leg?
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It is Official! LMA is BACK!!!
39:33 Mins 11-19 FGs 5-5 FTs +23 3 Off 4 Rebs 2 Stl 1 Blk 27 Points! - LMA vs Det 11-30-08
by LaMarvelous on Dec 6, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UH?...mmmm....well.....
YEAH?
I like being able to move…but now I’m thinking about typing….mmmm, k I can get a prostetic for a leg, and it’ wouldnt’ get too noticed except for the limp…..but if I lost an arm,…..
NO!!! I"M KEEPING MY ARM!!!!.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 6, 2008 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA for Rubio is too much.
Rubio probably isn’t even going to be in the top 3. Guys like Hasheem Thabeet (7-3) and Blake Griffin are just going to be too tempting. I don’t think you give away a future all star for a top 10 pick.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 6, 2008 1:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love Rubio however.
If the Blazers can’t find a PG on the market I think there is a good chance KP will just wait and try to find one in the draft… again.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 6, 2008 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We already found him
He’ll be starting instead of sitting within two years, max. A few glimpses in this game of what he’ll be.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 6, 2008 1:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA hater
hahaha you’ve made an absurd amount of comments on this page, all of them about dumping Aldrich for someone. Look I’m not sold on the guy either, but you wanna just toss em for Rubio? You could get better than Rubio.
The Odenphant is true king of the jungle.
by maxmillian on Dec 6, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You must have me confused with someone else...
That’s the first time I’ve ever stated anything about any type of LMA trade. I just happen to like the things Rubio brings to the table. Also he’d be much cheaper, and that would leave us enough room for a 2010 Max Free Agent.
by as11osu on Dec 6, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Bayless out there tonight.
Not his play necessarily, but his attitude. Once he starts getting regular minutes he seems like the kind of player that can spark our team. He’s really aggressive and he doesn’t back down and at the same time he doesn’t needlessly jaw with the opponent. How can a team not get inspired by watching him take it right at guys like KG and act like it’s nothin’? All of our players have shown flashes of aggressiveness and toughness but they don’t bring it on a nightly basis. Bayless seems like he could set a standard when he’s ready to play more minutes.
I’ll stop my ramblings there, sorry if it became incoherent.
by Jerb on Dec 6, 2008 12:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This game was kind of expected, wasn't it?
1. We played the Celtics. The Champs.
2. The game was in Boston.
Doesn’t that summarize it?
I liked Bayless, not because he played well against their second unit, but because he wasn’t intimidated by the Celtics. He was unfazed. We desperately need that kind of mentality.
And… he didn’t look terrible running the point. His skill set definitely fits our team… Sergio v Bayless will be decided soon. Or Rex will eat Sergio. Either way, a resolution is coming.
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