Reminder from Dave
by Dave on Dec 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST
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PrintThere's still too much "this should be a fanshot" commenting going on.
I appreciate people trying to help keep the site organized. Helping people understand the difference between fanposts and fanshots is part of that. But if you're going to do that, do it in the context of other feedback. Reply to a person's posting first, then if you want to include a, "By the way, you may want to consider making shorter things like this into Fanshots" I have no problem with that. This is especially important for people new to posting who are just getting their first feedback from the site and its community.
I dislike "This should be a Fanshot" in isolation because:
1. It appears to dismiss the person's post, as if where it's filed is the only worthy thing about it.
2. It appears to denigrate Fanshots, making them lesser than Fanposts. That's not the purpose. Fanshots are supposed to be quick-hitting and interesting, like a good short story. Fanposts are supposed to be more in-depth and interesting, like a good novel. One is not inherently better.
Please find a way to help people understand the purpose of each section without cutting them short or skimming over their contributions.
--Dave
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I'd rec this Dave...
But I think this really should have been a Fanshot.
by robrun2 on Dec 4, 2008 2:51 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
this should really be a fanshot
(sorry couldn’t help it)
by matthewcc on Dec 4, 2008 2:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Can you guys switch the locations of the Fan Posts with the Fan Shots
Hell, could you make an entire new column called Fan Trades? Or do Ben/Dave not know how to do it?
by TheGreatDane17 on Dec 5, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Quick ?
Fanshots are 75 words or less correct? Fanposts are 75 words or more correct?
I thought fanshots were links mainly to articles, still a little confused with all the rules here,,,,,,,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
That's because the rules aren't hard and fast
and that’s because the two formats are different (not my fault).
In general:
Fanshot = simple themes, quick links, pictures, usually 75 words or less.
Fanpost = complex issues, deeper discussions, usually 75 words or more.
—Dave
So, in summary:
General Rules:
—Don’t swear
—Be respectful of each other and don’t make ad hominem attacks
—Make sure what you say benefits the overall discussion
—Fanpost/Fanshot distinctions listed above
Easy-peazy fo’ sheezy.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 4, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I want you
I need you
But there ain’t no way
I’m ever gonna love you
but don’t be sad
cause 2 outta 3 ain’t bad
On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"
... and if the post is exactly 75 words... it goes in both?
… and if the post is exactly 75 words… it goes in both?
Don't do that!
It’ll fall into a vortex and pull the whole site into another dimension! Please, not when the Blazers are just starting to win!
—Dave
I should edit to say
I’m not arguing about the validity of people’s assertions as to Fanpost/Fanshot material. Most of the time when people say something should be a Fanshot they’re correct. But ease us into it a little more and acknowledge the post too.
—Dave
Is it possible....
To put this info under the headings? like:
Fanpost
Complex and deep discussion issues..usually 75+ words
Fanshot
Simple topics, quick links, and pictures…please 75 words or less
by blazersrock on Dec 4, 2008 3:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Great idea.
Simple and to the point.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
ugh, FANSHOT!
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
Thanks Dave
I appreciate you noticing that. Shows a deep understanding of the psychology and flow of your blog. That’s why you’re the Man.
p.s. I posted something yesterday that got a majority of “this is a fanshot” responses, and was ready to break other site rules telling people how I felt. But I just deleted it instead.
Just kidding, you should see if a description of "fanshot" and "fanpost" can be put into the sidebar.
Also, Just a lil outside perspective. My friend at work here admitted to me yesterday that he is a Blazersedge.com lurker but never has created an account “because it’s like the blazersedge club” and apparantly our lil’ community is “snobby”. I then asked him if he only reads my posts and we both laughed. So seriously, I think we should all be a lil more nice to newer posters. I think a fair amount of rookie hazing is appropriate but nothing really mean or “snobby”.
Also, dont think I let my friend insult this site though. I stated that “it’s not Blazersedge fault you are scared of a lil intelligent conversation and have a really weak chin!”. He didnt get it, whatever.
Sophia
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
that's pretty interesting...
but I’ve been to a lot of these sites, and this one has the most polite and intelligent members of them all – by far – don’t you think? I don’t even bother to go to any of the other ones any more (one of which you’re on my friends list, Sophia… I noticed you don’t go there anymore either). BE is the GREATEST!
yea
Some of the sites have some good things about football, NBA, etc. but a lot of them are just weird. Cussing like crazy, pictures of half naked people, etc. I can relax here.
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
Just tell him to come in with comments
like I like to make:
“Brandon is awesome”, “I like Greg’s dunks”, “RUDY!”, Man, Joel can rebound", and “I hate the L@kers”. Stick with that kind of stuff. Not many people get offended by it! :-)
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
That's pretty unfair IMO
I joined in April after lurking since BE’s inception. I finally had more time and took advantage of it. I never did a “Hey look at me! I’m new!” fanpost or anything… I just kind of started joining in. Gameday threads were a great way to ramp up, and they may be my favorite part of the site.
When I started posting, nobody took my opinion any more or less seriously than anyone else’s. If I was taken to task, it was because someone disagreed with me, not because I was “a n00b” or something. You’re only as credible as what you write, so write well (actually type out words and make coherent thoughts) and people will be happy to have interesting, deep basketball conversation with you. Even if you’re new.
The only time I really see someone treat a new poster poorly is when someone joins BE and, without any real experience here, writes a fanpost that probably shouldn’t have been their first post. Maybe it was a little undereducated. Maybe it was something we’d already discussed 10 times. Maybe it was a trade idea. Or worse yet, all of the above.
Even then, people will generally treat that person well, and say “hey, just fyi we’ve covered this before”. But when a community is this big, there’s always going to be a few people who say “you moron!” instead of actually being helpful. That’s the nature of the internet, not BE.
For me personally, I get frustrated when a newer BE member brings up the “Nate is great because of the timeout study” thing. We’ve covered repeatedly that it doesn’t imply any causation, and historical correlation hasn’t even been established. But I get that we can’t expect new users to basically read the history of BE, and I’ll take a second to cover the basics again (and will nicely note we’d covered it before, and will try to link up the previous conversation).
I challenge any new user to stop by this thread, reply to me with a link to their bad experience, and talk about how the regulars made them feel unwelcome (I say “regulars” because we can’t predict the response of one-off posters). At least then, we can discuss how to fix those issues instead of having people just acting like we’re snobbish and dismissing the site.
by Timmay! on Dec 4, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Second that
I’ve gotten my news from here for awhile, but only started posting lately, no intro.
People have judged me by my content and are usually friendly when they disagree.
I’m not really one to take an argument personally though…
I though you were a new guy...
Give me your lunch money or I’ll give you a virtual wedgie.
by tominhawaii on Dec 4, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And I though you could spell
but maybe they don’t teach that in Hawaii…ohowww……stopit……DAAAAVVEE!!!
by staylost on Dec 4, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
REC
BONUS
click above if you are winner,
by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Be quiet, noob
um, oh, yeah.
rec
Do you like asparagus?
wut u say is true
but its only half the truth, becouse of the unusually high standards, that maney longtimers hold dear, and are in general, the basis for attraction to newcomers, its easy to let a fealing of supiriority settle in. i find it refreshing that a constant stream of discution hear has seamingly allways been maners and ettiqutte, and how we can best enjoy the sight, intergrate new members, and expess and represent ourselves elsware as BEdge members.althow the song kan get tiresome at times, its a vigalence that kant be lost, less we find ourselves bemoaning our collective loss.like Broy sais, we have to constantly work for it, we cant rest on our lourals and expect to secceed.
dave for whatever reason has chosen to share his love of basket ball, his insight, and his time with us. theres stiff competition, baby point guard, his other calling may require varering amounts of time, and you kan rest assured that his vocation is truely a labor of love, and ill bet his wife even likes him, and he might even like spending time with her too. these are priorities that easily trump anything that we as a comunity offer, and the list could likely go on. yet hear we are,enjoying the fruits of is passion for the drama of the game. dave long ago said that he would rather the conversation be quality over quantity, and i for one believe him. the day this “thing” becomes more headache then smiles is not one im ever looking forward to. its a fresh read everytime and the conversation is real. insight IS GAINED from this, i see it hapen all the time. perspectives have been changed, and collectively we all educate each other, even Dave is not exempt from this i suspect. so dave shares with us and we share with dave.
now althow we as a comunity have done a wondr ful job, that hardly absolves us of further effort. would any of us tell the team that since youve done so well far exceeding expectations, that you should be fine to coast the rest of the way? not me. i see this blog mirrering the team pretty well in that respect, growing and improving the right way. dave, like roy is our unquestioned leader, with ben kinda like lamarcus, a little iffy at times but dependable nontheless, and with a ton of upside(lol). we dont just get to pack it in just couse daves got the rains, we need to do our part to. i have my settings for the side bar showing the top fifty, and now a post is gone after only 1 day. THATS FIFTY FANPOSTS IN LESS THEN TWO DAYS!!! UNREAL!!! theres no way that he can read it all, or anybody else hear for that matter. we have to do a part. to be a part of a comunity, you have to BE A PART OF THAT COMUNITY.
i rekt your post cuz i think it represents a majority of this comunity well, but ive seen rude and snide comments, inflamatory and unwelcoming coments hear as well. its not youtube bad, and comparitevly, it like “wow, who cares, its better hear then anywhere else still” but thats not good enough. good is often enemy of the best.
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
by maid tu rek on Dec 4, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
in short form
the less “attention” Dave has to give to “moderating” the sight the better for us
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
recc'd
and that was the least headache inducing of your posts I’ve read—not because of the content, but because you actually kind of made an effort to spell things relatively normally, and I appreciate that.
"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan
I'm feeling the sting from that slap across the face.
"For me personally, I get frustrated when a newer BE member brings up the "Nate is great because of the timeout study" thing. "
Actually not. I’m pretty good at frustrating people. I’ll just add you to the list.
Joking aside, I’m one who has pointed to the Blazer’s performance coming out of TO’s, along with other things as their record in OT games and close scoring games, as indication that McMillan is in fact a very good coach. I guess I’ve missed the discussions where this has been proven to be false.
hakkaa päälle !
Timmay has proven it to himself mostly
On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"
And nobody has disproven this with any numbers what-so-ever :)
IF you have a historical context for Nate’s timeout success besides a non-causation study, please let me know.
(92 and I have gone back and forth on this one!)
lol....hey buddy
I knew that would draw you out.
On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"
Heh heh no worries. :)
I kind of enjoy showing new folks that even in a thread like this, we can calmly say “I think you’re wrong!” “No you are!” but there’s no hard feelings. :)
Precisely
I wish I had more time today to have another go at it. I’m kinda slammed here at work though
On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"
I seem to recall seeing a stat posted last year
that showed percentage of plays in which a team scored following a timeout possession. I believe the Blazers had the best number for the league.
That is not proof by itself that Nate is a great coach, as the players are the one’s who have to execute, but it is certainly seems like a good indicator. I’ll acknowledge that seeing a Nate team regularly be in the top 5 or so in this catagory every year would be better evidence.
hakkaa päälle !
there are a lot
of additional stats cropping up each season…sometimes they are actually created for fun ……fun stats or fan/media=stats that probably have little or no significance except for comparisons or debate…
Some stats actually get started at the request of the coaching staff
Stats that are used by coaches, GM,s and scouts usually have the qualification of comparing them to the actual play of the game and their sums….without this qualification stats lose their value significantly….in other words they give you a quick snapshot to certain parts of the game, but they do not give you the entire picture after all the footnotes are tallied up……especially in a team sport…..IMHO
It would be good to get some qualified input on what stats coaches deem significant….I would think team statistics would be of more importance to them than individual ones…..
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 5, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
In response to the responses
I would just like to say that I would never allow anyone, ANYONE disrespect my favorite website/webcommunity by calling us snobs. I think the point that he was attempting to make or rather the point I extrapolated from what he said is this place can get overwhelming at times. He most like sees a ridiculous fanpost go up from a troll or a pretend troll (boomdizzle) and doesnt know the context of the situation therfor interprets the comments and /or response in a more negative way.
This site is getting more and more recognition. Blazersedge.com is on pace, in my not-so-humble opinion to becoming the DailyKos or realclearpolitics.com of the Basketball community. It’s a blog but doesn’t have the “blog” stignma attached to it thanks to Dave and Ben (def. the best bball and maybe all of sports reporting and writing tandem) .
So in conclusion, I think that all of the responses are correct and some of the mock affronted and feigned offense reactions are funny and sarcastic, even if the poster didn’t inted them to be.
Much love to all the BE SNOBS!
Sophia
(joke , that was a joke).
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
What you say has merit, Sophia
as does your friend’s comment.
Part of the reason I mention this is the impression that the “Fanshot” comment leaves on new folks. For them making a first Fanpost means dipping their toes into a new community and contributing something. That’s a risk. It’s like you walk into the potluck with your famous Cheese Munchies that your family loves. Hearing “This should be a Fanshot” first thing without any other context or support is like hearing, “Oh. That is not Gruyere cheese. What is it, cheddar? How…provincial.” Whereas hearing the Fanshot explanation in the context of comments about the post is like hearing, “Great Munchies! All the cheese stuff goes on that table over there! Welcome!”
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 5, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I suspect you have some story about bringing green Cheetos to some family St. Patrick's Day gathering?
and getting some pushback from the family?
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 5, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Good analogy
+1 for somehow pulling a valid comparison between cheetos and potlucks to the Bedge.
That is really hideous
--jscot
You wouldn't ALLOW anyone?
Snob.
Do you like asparagus?
coming from someone that wants to rule the world
"Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcreaft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. [speech at GOP Presidential Convention 1992] Rev. Pat Robertson
That's a lie
I don’t want it. I’ll just do it because the world needs me.
I’m nice that way. It would be snobbish of me to refuse.
Do you like asparagus?
and anyone with the audacity to think he could rule the world all by himself is a snob...
so in either case, what does that make you?
jsnobscot?
That is really hideous
--jscot
By myself?
Didn’t you know I’m building an administration? Jorga is air force, bfan is “re-education” (sounds like he may need to visit YOU when the time comes), etc.
Do you like asparagus?
Administration?
Ahh now that’s what I wanted to hear.
So, what’s my position?
That is really hideous
--jscot
SBN needs to build you a whole new format.
Are there any othere SBN sites that get close to this much traffic? These days even the fanshots disappear within a few hours, replaced by new stuff.
Maybe subcategories, subheadings, page tabs, hidden doorways, reams of paperwork…I dunno. I used to browse several sites, but now you can pretty much count on it winding up on BE if it’s out there.
Oh, and the main page needs to be highlighted somehow better once you click into a fanpost…it just sorta gets lost in it’s little red box.
I could go on, but that would use up more electrons. Electrons which can be better spent elsewhere, by folks who know how to use them properly.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
BE could definitely be expanded
We have such a huge community that it’s really inundating SBN’s services.
I’m pretty hopeful that Dave’s fully aware that the load here is pretty high and what the effects are though. :)
I agree
it may have outgrown the current format. And we probably know that Fanshots do disappear in a couple of hours, probably why those nasty “should be Fanshot”s appears in Fanpost.
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
Don't
forget the sections for snobs, bullies, grandstander’s, egomaniacs, blinded homers,stupid trade people,common sense people, jerks, the lost and found, and the just kidding section…..
The world is full of many categories of people….(most don’t prefer to be categorized) it’s all about respect for your fellow man/woman and having your point of view conveyed with the idea that many will have a different opinion…..It’s a debate and discussion format and lends itself to tolerance of other people’s points of view…..
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 6, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking of categories strictly for organization, not to pigeon hole folks. I actually prefer no categories with everything simply in chronological order…the “box of chocolates” approach, but the traffic has increased so much we might need to add a few paragraphs, maybe a chapter or two, plus a great index.
For example, this thread is only a few days old with lots of good info and possibilities for discussion…yet it is already lost to oblivion.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
I think the fanshots have really started to come around...
I paid them no attention for a while… but now check them out regularly.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 4, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions
You gotta' check em' quick lately.
They scroll by in just a few hours. They’re fun!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
lol
i have my frontpage and side bar set to fifty, and ive never seen the fiftieth post read 1 day ago, lololol. this sight is rediculous. thers just no way to keep up with it all, at all, no way, and im currently unemployed with a rediculous amount of free time on my hands. i have to wonder dave if at some point in the near future, you might consider adding another mod or two to help out. you have a welth of inteligent posters, that are mindful and display the ettiquette that youve allways used as your template. there are a few off the top that i kan think of that even if they didnt allways agree with everything you say, would employ your style as part of the game plan. wonderful sight.
i just read staylosts comment in another thread
and his idea was for an admin or mod, for shots, and another for fanposts. that would relieve the masses from the responsibility. and i kant imagine any of daves first round draft picks not accepting the role. yeah, i like that idea. i would nominate Mortimer, or TiH, or Norsktrol for fanshot admin, and Timbo, or prezofdeath for fanshot admin. or something like that. obviously it would be hilarious for timbo to be made fan SHOT mod, but really, i think he would do well. side note, in my opionion prezofdeath would really have to be a frontrunner for either as hes allways been an example of the spirit of this blog and has never in my memory imposed his constitution onto other posters who obviously dont share his view. hes well balenced. toms snarky but well balenced, and mortimer is one of the few BEdge posters that ive seen consistantly walk into hostil blog teritories and bring peace. he kan find the commen truth. just my 2 cents
by maid tu rek on Dec 4, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, it would be hilarious, all right...................
obviously it would be hilarious for timbo to be made fan SHOT mod
……………………………………… I’d be the first banned moderator in blogging history inside of 24 hours…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Someone said
it is possible for a mod to ban themselves.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Everything I post
is pure genius.
Everything, I tell you.
Questions?
Do you like asparagus?
akshually timbo
i think it would be funny cuz youve done a great job of consistantly pointing out the difference in fanshot and fanposts to help educate others. ocationaly, there may have been question of just how diplomatic you were in your delivery, and its a known fact that youve never thought highly of the fanshot formatting, but i truely think you would make very simple work of it and things in your power would run smoothly, for your ruff edges, your very no nonsence. i think there would be an immediate drop in duplicate fanshots and you would facilitate well. but thats just my two cents. i thought i should better explain the joke.
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
Your check's in the mail.
I knew I could get someone to spread false rumors about me.
side note, in my opionion prezofdeath would really have to be a frontrunner for either as hes allways been an example of the spirit of this blog and has never in my memory imposed his constitution onto other posters who obviously dont share his view. hes well balenced.
Seriously, thanks dude. That was beautiful.
That is really hideous
--jscot
your good people
i think youde be fair
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
Indeed
I’d be the fairest maiden in the land. Nobles and peasants alike would swoon…
That is really hideous
--jscot
They swoon
when TiH walks by too.
Do you like asparagus?
Thanks for that
I knew it was the smell. I didn’t know why it was there.
Blazers Edge. Where you can always get the facts you need.
Do you like asparagus?
Ok I admit
This fanpost is directed at me, so i will take the hit for everyone else. I’m sorry Dave! PLEASE don’t banish me!
I will reform my ways and be a good boy from now on, and save my corrections for my last sentence instead of my first sentence.
Not just you
but for most of our posts we just need to switch the order of our posts.
We always try to add something to the discussion, we just post “is this a fanshot?” as the title. Just say it at the end of the post instead. Thanks for keeping this site respectful Dave, even if you have to reprimand me.
Here's one way to play it:
1. The name of EITHER “Fanposts” or “Fanshots” needs to be changed. It doesn’t matter what you call the second one, but it should have a distinctive name so that users won’t have to decide between “yellow-green” and “greenish-yellow.”
2. The idea of a moderator for the sideboard is a good one. Someone less grouchy than me to steer the noobs to the appropriate area without making them cry — but someone cold enough to wield the blade on the 15th “GET STARBURY NOW” post…
3. The interface for what are now known as “Fanshots” is HORRIBLE and the systems people need to obliterate it.
a.) Links should automatically open in a new window if they are not user specified. As things now stand, the default is to open the link in the same window.
b.) There is no reason not to use the same toolbox that “Fanposts” uses. The current toolbox is a confusing mess.
4. The Daily Trade Thread akin to the daily Junk Drawer is a GREAT idea. As one person stated today, it’s far easier for those of us who hate reading Fantasy Island-type posts to dodge one thread than it is to dodge 5 separate ones. (Or 7 or 9 or 12, I add…)
Once things are named properly and the 2nd section of the sidebar is as easy to use as the 1st section, things will fall into place pretty quickly, I think.
t
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I have two pet peeves with fanshots
1) You can’t post a link to an article and then throw a block quote teaser after it.
That’s journalism 101, people aren’t gonna read your article just cause of the headline. You gotta let ‘em know what it’s all about. And often times the best way to do this is by giving a sampling of what’s to come. I usually just solve this problem by using regular quotation marks, but that just doesn’t stand out as much as a good block quote.
2) There’s no preview button. I guess that’s because there’s not supposed to be any super fancy formatting in there anyway. But I have a suspicion that I could do blockquotes with HTML, but without a preview button I don’t know if it’d work without throwing it out to the wolves.
Also, if there was a preview button, people could play around with fanshots more so we could know what its true limitations are.
I pretty much know for a fact
that this is a blog that’s watched closely from SBN’s point of view. Your suggestions do get heard. It takes a while to implement things but go ahead and offer ideas to make things better. Eventually you’ll see the kinks worked out as the format evolves and you guys will have been a part of that.
—Dave
That's good to hear
I love the format in general. It’s kind of surprising how they have made a cookie cutter blog format that is flexible enough to accommodate the needs of any and all fan bases. You can tell someone up top is monitoring the blogs because when a problem arises and people start complaining about formatting and such, it doesn’t seem to take long before a solution magically appears.
I’m also very impressed how we as a community have found ways to become more organized. First the junk drawer, then our adaptation to the more streamlined fanshots, and now our venture into the trading post. I think all of the ideas continue to help create more space for the meat and potatoes of the SBN, the fanposts.
The fact that people keep a level head around here due to your rules has allowed us to think rationally and put our heads together to create some wonderful solutions. So thanks Dave for keep this site classy, and holding us all to a higher standard.
Good to know
I think a “Trades” section all to itself would be great. Perhaps even a general chat section. It seems a shame that two of three “recommended” slots need to go to these, while at the same time I think they’re both important to the community. Trades seem a no-brainer for a sports blog, since there will always be people that want to play GM (and even more like myself that don’t want to hear it, so a separate section makes sense) and a general chat section is pretty self explanatory.
Basically, if something is regular enough that people have to say “okay, everyone rec this so it can go up where we can see it” on a daily basis, it deserves it’s own section.
And I second that “fanshots” needs a more contrasting name. Or maybe “fanposts” could be “soap box” or “shout outs” or something. I mean, let’s be honest here. The “fan” part can be safely implied and not stated.
Incidentally, on the SBN service topic, I did find myself noticing last game thread that
the page seemed to be loading better, without the nasty “lock up” problem which had almost driven me from even trying to follow it in real time. I am hoping they have fixed it somewhat. Any word on that ? It has seemed like we overwhelm their expectations. We are the system “stress test” specialists.
Right
and I haven’t found a way to post a fanshot that isn’t a link or a quote or a picture or a video. Sometimes something doesn’t need a lot of space but since there is no way to format it without it being one of the above it will end up a fanshot.
FWIW (directed at ALL not Timbo) – I’ll choose fanpost if I think it is going to result in a discussion but fanshot if it is just something I want people to see/know/whatever but don’t expect conversation. Of course just about anything elicits conversation these days ; I was amazed that my fanshot about Corey Brewer’s ACL tear (just a piece of information because I knew he had fans here) would evoke 47 comments…
"That's what Prizzy do." - B.Roy 12/02/08
What I want to know is...
What’s this Dave character doing in the sidebar? He’s already hogging the main page. Now he’s in the fanposts bumping our valuable posts off! What the rip?! He’s turning into the blogger version of Stephon Marbury!
Ok, that’s a little harsh. Maybe just the Allen Iverson of blogging.
That is really hideous
--jscot
yeah!
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Some idiot
did a fan post a few weeks ago about getting AI. So maybe there’s people around here who want Dave to stay.
Do you like asparagus?
yeh
some other idiot named bdizzleistheshizle wanted to pick up some guy named….uh….boom dizzle, interestingly enough.
Or something like that…and get this—-he wanted to give up broy to do it!
Talk about a bunch of doofuses….I say me and you split this joint and start our own doofus-free blog.
That is really hideous
--jscot
small print disclaimer:
the above post is not insulting anyone (except myself). No Bedgers were harmed in the production of the comment. I recognize that no blog is doofus free, especially if me or jscot is there. Continue reading my comments at your own precaution. If you encounter loss of appetite or sudden dizziness, please seek professional help immediately.
That is really hideous
--jscot
What a doofus
You should have said, “At your own peril.”
You also should have said, “Especially if jscot or I am there.” Rule of thumb for native Spanish speakers and prezofdeath: If you are joining two individuals with a conjunction (in this case "or"), you should use the form for each that you would use if only one individual were being named. Since you would not say, “Especially if me is there,” but rather “Especially if I am there,” you should use “if I am” in the sentence with the conjunction.
It is “I am” instead of “I are” because “or” makes it singular, rather than plural. If you had wanted to include both of us, you would use “and” and then then verb would be “are” — “Especially if jscot and I are there.”
Note also that I reversed the order. This is for two reasons. First, you should always put the other person first, out of politeness and thus proper grammar. Second, you should always put me first because, well, I’m ME.
Now, the beautiful thing is, you know all this stuff. So by posting it all, I am demonstrating who the real doofus is, and it ain’t you (see, I can do doofus grammar, too).
All of which goes to show that if we start our own blog, it will be doofus free, because even the doofuses will be too smart to go there.
I’m encountering loss of appetite, and this whole post is dizzy.
By they way, if you did not insult anyone besides yourself, and you called bdizzleistheshizle an idiot, was this a confession?
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 5:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i heart fanshots
I remember back in the olden days, I would get something like 5-6 fanshots in a row cause NO ONE posted down there. Now it’s a crazy party 24/7, it’s hard to keep up, and I feel like I’ve aged 70 years.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 8:30 PM PST reply actions
Yeh, me and you were the only ones
You may recall I had the FIRST fanshot ever on the new format and you had the second.
Boooooyaaa! High five!
That is really hideous
--jscot
oops...i lied
sabonis4ever had the first and I had the second.
but you have the most rec’d ever, so that has to count for something
That is really hideous
--jscot
lol
I was totally just gonna go with you on that one as I didn’t really know, now I will let that pride go.
Nevertheless I remember when it was just the three of us, and Tom was there.. and some others. Memories…
BONUS
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
We had a back and forth fanshot competition
During the off season of youtube Blazer highlights. But you quickly overwhelmed me with video goodness.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 5, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
I can go off-topic no matter how many people are around
What’s your problem?
I think you might want, in future, to add this comment to a fan-shot instead of a fan post, it really fits better there.
(How’d I do, Dave, how’d I do, how’d I do?)
Do you like asparagus?
Only because
you do not want to be dethroned as the world record holder of off-topic comments.
"That's what Prizzy do." - B.Roy 12/02/08
man...
that link goes back to the 300’s!!! there have been 984 fanshots.
BONUS
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
I remember
I had the first one and totally messed it up. Here it is.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 5, 2008 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
I love SBN
It’s an excellent host for a collection of blogs, and really brings the NBA blogging community together. However, it is planly obvious that this blog is growing at a very rapid pace, and will only keep growing as the team grows and improves.
Somebody mentioned that BE might be outgrowing SBN, I believe this might be true, but I wouldn’t advocate leaving SBN in anyway, it’s just too good of a fit. I wouldn’t want us to turn into a ClutchFans type forum board either.
Lets get Blazers Edge sponsored by the NBA’s Trail Blazers team, that would be cool., their site can surely handle our massive postage.
BONUS
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 8:41 PM PST reply actions
I really like SBN's format
How you can reply to people and it is easy to post….really a smooth ordeal. Definitely one of the best-formatted blogs I’ve encountered.
And certainly the best in terms of content, both from the head honchos and the community.
I like the idea of the Trailblazers buying us out though…hmm….how about each poster gets a buck for each comment, five for each fanshot, and 10 for each fanpost. Dave and Ben each get a cool 2 million dollar bonus on top of theirs.
That is really hideous
--jscot
That idea sucks!!!
I would be getting shafted for my 35 comment Junk Drawer
On drowning my daughter before she becomes a teenager (to my son)-"You know how when you want to drown someone, you first tie something heavy to the their foot?" My Son: "Yeah?" Me:"You're the something heavy"
by 92wastheyear on Dec 4, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
i really think you deserve a trophy, it will never be beat!
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 4, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
I almost had it the other day....
until everyone showed up and bumped it to over 100+ comments.
That is really hideous
--jscot
My first junk drawer ever
got 243 comments
HAHAHA
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 5, 2008 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Ha! Talk about poetic justice
Dave ups the rec requirement from 5 to 7 and then look what happens! He does all this work to make a post, and only gets five recs. Ha!
That is really hideous
--jscot
Gee, you'd think people like Dave more than me or something!
Talk about injustice
That is really hideous
--jscot
"Like" and "justice"
don’t go together. Liking someone or something has nothing to do with justice.
I guarantee you that when I rule the world, the fact that I like someone will have nothing to do with who is targeted by my executioners voluntarily reformed.
Do you like asparagus?
Hey Dave,
Could you make a stickied post (similar to the Site Conversation Rules) that explains FanPosts and FanShots, as well as the Junk Drawer and trade posts? I think most errors are made just because people don’t know what to put in each category.
Actually, it could be part of the Site Conversation Rules 2.0, if such a document were to be written.
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