Oden and Quick
Normally I don't listen to 1080thefan much anymore, I don't always agree with Canzano, but I find him more interesting to listen to as the topics he discusses are more interesting to me. The guys at the AM station talk too much about their own lives and what not for me.
However last night I was on my way home from work and when I got into the car the radio was on 1080 because at lunch I was listening to the DP show. J. Quick was on because it was a game night, and he was giving the guys the "inside" stuff on the Blazers. It was the normal run down except for when the topic turned to Greg. Quick basically said, he doesn't even want to talk to Greg right now because Greg is a "downer". He said that Greg has removed himself after games from the rest of the team and doesn't talk to the media for the most part. Quick's opinion was that Greg has not be able to "let go" of all the pressure and attention that comes with being a #1 pick. That mentally he hasn't been able to enjoy playing basketball and that if he could Quick believes that Greg would choose to give back his contract and go back to OSU to finish school.
After the "insider" segment, Big Suck and Issac continued to talk about Greg, and they don't feel it is right that he doesn't talk to the media. They think that he is not being accountable for himself by doing so. They said that when you have a good game you talk, so when you have a bad game you need to talk as well. (not sure I agree with them here about Greg, because he appears to not talk to the media regardless of the type of game he had.)
My reaction to listening to this was two fold. 1) I was kinda mad that Quick would just give up on trying to talk to Greg, as he is a big story, weather he is talking or not, and as a fan I want to hear what he has to say. So as the main reporter I want Quick doing his best to talk to Greg. I also wondered if Quick's "underwelming" comment back in the preseason has really stuck with Greg, and if he is just "freezing" Quick out, I wanted to know from Joe Freeman, Dwight Jaynes and the rest of the media if Greg was treating them the same way. And 2) I didn't really agree with the studio guys that Greg has to talk to the media after every game. I can put myself in his shoes and say I don't want to talk to you guys. Most of the media has driven the Bowie comparisons and that talk hurts when it is about you. Greg is young (only 20 still) and will learn how to deal as he gets older, but I don't see too much wrong with it. Part of me has always felt that when the media complains about a player not talking to the media is has more to do with them being annoying, and therefor throwing dirt on that player for not talking, than anything game related.
Audio from the Fan on 12/3/08. Tell me what you think.
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I know nothing.
But I think that if I were heralded by some twits (I’m one of the twits) as the Bringer of Justice and Protector of the Paint, and I believed even 1/4 the hype, I’d be a little down on myself too….
I give him alot of slack becuase I remember Zachs first year back after micro.
But I also take nibbles out of him for his apparent lack of enthusiasim. cuz if I was 7 feet tall, I’d kill to run with this team. (but you don’t want me to, I suck)
So I’m kinda on the fence despite falling on the “gosh darn it greg” side more often than not.
A few things I’m afraid of ….
1. greg does crack under the pressure and never reaches his potential ceiling.
2. greg is OK during his tenure in portland, but makes a rash decision to test the water elsewhere due to his bad…“hype/media” exposure/experience.
3. He becomes full blown reclusive (not sure if that’s the right word) and goes all wallace on us here soon.
best case…..he learns to deal with it, and starts to enjoy himself and snaps out of it soon.
WE’LL STILL LOVE HIM FOR HIM no matter what….. but it’s his own expectations that I think that are driving him a little stir crazy….
1st year back from micro and everyone kinda putters down the stip right?
(me being a fan though, I forget that alot.)
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by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 10:44 AM PST
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Not talking to the media is not a sin
There’s a double-standard there in my eyes.
On the one hand media folks will claim it’s not only their right but their duty to report anything and everything you say or do. Not what you mean or intend, not with your input on what’s important or crucial or weighs most, not even with consideration of your interpretation of events or context necessarily…when you talk to them you give that power of disclosure and interpretation to them completely. They will defend the propriety and necessity of that until the day they die.
On the other hand when you won’t talk to them it’s painted like you’re abnormal, as if you’re refusing to talk to some regular, friendly guys from your block. Regular, friendly guys from your block don’t usually report everything interesting or odd you say to the whole universe and you usually have recourse against them if they do.
I haven’t listened to the audio clip but if the definition of “downer” is based solely on not speaking to the media I’d take it with a grain of salt. I’ve known people who won’t talk to me in my job but they’re fine with their friends and family…not down at all. They’re not avoiding me, but my profession. I love Quick and Freeman, but making assumptions about Greg’s overall personality from what he’s doing professionally with them is probably a mistake.
I believe speaking or not speaking to the media should basically be an athlete’s choice. If the disadvantages outweigh the advantages for him it’s fine in my mind not to. I understand that there are some mandatory appearances and I’m cool with those, but I also understand when we get nothing but canned responses during them.
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by Dave on
Dec 4, 2008 10:48 AM PST
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I agree with you here...
They have the assumption that you mention above built into their “ethos.”
Funny thing is I talked briefly with Greg last night and he seemed like a normal 20 year old, nothing unusual one bit.
In fact, Greg setting boundaries with Quick is actually quite mature of Greg.
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 10:54 AM PST
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It may even be mature to set boundaries
with us crazy and obsessive fans. Greg, why won’t you let me park my car on your block any more?
Seriously, though, I wish the media would treat athletes with the respect, criticism and esteem they deserve. These guys are fawned on or frowned at. Treat them like anyone else. Respect their space when they need it, be serious and honest, but don’t over-respect them (or you get LBJ).
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by hobobob on
Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM PST
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Greg might be down ...
… but Quick better watch that he doesn’t get a big head. Quick is not supposed to be the story. Quick is supposed to tell the story.
If Greg is down, Quick’s job is to find out why and report on it.
He can do that by talking to Greg or not talking to Greg. He must, however, realize Greg’s job is not to be in a good mood, but to play basketball.
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by Y5k on
Dec 4, 2008 10:52 AM PST
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I don't think Quick is trying to be the story as much as he can't get the story from Greg
if Greg won’t talk to him. If radio guys ask Quick about Greg and he answers honestly, then that’s fine.
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal overall. Greg may not be enjoying himself right now, but he’s getting paid $5 million a year to play basketball. Once he improves and starts dominating, hopefully he mental well being will return to normal.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 11:01 AM PST
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I think it's a good thing
that Greg is trying to forget the hype and focusing on b-ball.
I really don’t give a damn if he gives interviews or not.
It’s called free speech and not mandatory speech. He’ll speak when he wants to do so.
Having said that, I’m a little bit worried about Oden. Not basketball wise.
There is some truth in what Quick says, he does not seem to be enjoying himself.
by Falcao on
Dec 4, 2008 10:53 AM PST
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Maybe Oden is tired of the same ol' questions asked of him
He gets asked more personal questions than team questions. The guy had to endure countless interviews about his health for a entire year and now has to be accountable for the absurd media hype(Quick included) he did not ask for. Frankly, I’m glad he’s not talking to the media. Maybe he’s focusing on the team and doesn’t want to bring more attention to himself. Oden is a good kid. I’m sure he feels some of that pressure, but I have no doubts he is working hard to improve and I don’t need the media to speculate on Greg’s “mood”.
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by blzrfan on
Dec 4, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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Time heals all wounds
This will all get better. Sooner of later, everyone will back off Greg a little (in Portland and nationally). Greg will also get older, and his game will keep improving over time. All these good things will happen together, and they will take a while.
If not opening up to Jason Quick helps Greg throught this time, then I’m all for it. I don’t blame Quick for writing the “underwhelmed” piece (though I think he needs a little perspective on how hard it is for a rookie who hasn’t played any competitive basketball for 12 months to start playing at an NBA level), but the obsessive focus on Oden from Quick and others certainly hasn’t made his life easier.
And let’s have a little perspective. If Greg’s miserable, well, he’s not the first rookie to have a miserable first year. (Read what T-Mac has to say about his first year in Toronto sometime). For that matter, rookie doctors tend to have tough years…and lawyers..and teachers…and chefs…and longshoreman…he’s a kid learning a new profession. Most people get through it, and he probably will too.
We fans (and the friendly media like Quick, too) need to chill. Collectively we’re like a teenage boy who asked his dream girl out, and she said yes…then got sick and rescheduled…then rescheduled again….and now we’re 5 minutes into the date, and we’re obsessed about whether it’s going OK. “Are you having fun? Is your popcorn OK? Are you having fun now? How about now? Did I tell you that you look pretty? Well, you do. Really pretty. Are you having fun?” We need to shut the hell up and watch the movie.
by Hawthorne Wingo on
Dec 4, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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Does greg ever really get a day off?
Over the past Year and a Half, has he ever had one day where he’s alone?
I mean, rehab, season….did he take a vacation inbetween there or has he been all go since getting drafted, cuz, really I don’t remember him getting a break…
right after the draft kp swooped him up and drug him here to portland, then down to vegas, then to micro, then ….rest, rest, (this time don’t count cuz it couldn’t have been fun), then. rehab rehab, travel with the team, rehab, rehab,…then debut, and injury, rehab…..then now. so was there like a break in there for greg?
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by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 10:59 AM PST
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His only break afaik was a trip to Hawaii for some very light training, and the time he spent at OSU summer school with Conley
by Norsktroll on
Dec 4, 2008 11:18 AM PST
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You mean TOSU....
OSU is the new name of Oregon Agricultural College, in Corvallis…
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by timbo on
Dec 4, 2008 12:22 PM PST
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The Cowboys?
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by Honka Playboy on
Dec 4, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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i’ve written this multiple times in game recaps. greg is not available after games. he is the only player consistently not available. it’s not just quick.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST
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yeah, but you didn't call him a "downer" ;) ( cue: givin quick the stink eye)
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by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 11:02 AM PST
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There's no doubt about that
The question is whether he has that right, I think. And how much it shows about him that he does so. I would say yes, if it’s important to him, and relatively little other than he’s not the type of person that enjoys being put out there. That may cost him endorsement deals and such in the future, but that’s his choice.
—Dave
by Dave on
Dec 4, 2008 11:03 AM PST
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i was just answering his question about whether quick was being frozen out. he’s not.
but…
this speaks to maturity. talking with the press is part of the job. look at martell’s interview. we praise him because he gets it. greg doesn’t yet. i don’t think i would have gone on the radio to say that but when your head coach and 11 of your teammates are available postgame, and 99% of the league is available postgame (including stars like kobe bryant, etc.), you are placing yourself and your personal needs above the standards of what’s expected. occasionally there will be a “the locker room is closed tonight” after a tough win but to consistently not take questions after a game is out of the ordinary. take jack last year, even after his worst stinker, would man up and take the questions, knowing he would get it tougher than anyone else. there’s a level of professional respect involved in taking questions, in caring about the reporters that are asking them. say what you want about any of our beat writers but they are professionals who work dang hard.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:10 AM PST
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should say tough loss not tough win
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:10 AM PST
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also the portland media wants to love greg. its not a ravenous group looking to kill this guy. i can tell you that first hand. they want to write the positive columns when he plays well, as he has multiple times. i mentioned that once in a game recap that it was a shame he didn’t show up because there was so much positive to talk about. it’s tough for the newspapers to write that column when the subject isn’t there to give his own analysis.
it’s an issue of maturity and character. greg can continue to duck the press if he wants but it only negatively impacts his public perception. he should follow the path laid by KP, Nate, Brandon, etc. look how well it’s working for them. no one’s asking him to bend over backwards….
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:14 AM PST
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i couldn't agree more...
Portland media from my perspective, unlike other joints, loves the Blazers…I would go so far to say that the media here are also rabid Fans…it just comes through that way and i’m glad it does.
as for GO…i just hope Broy talks to him on the side and takes him under his tutelage.
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by broyposse on
Dec 4, 2008 11:20 AM PST
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But the fact
That he doesn’t want to talk to the media even after good performances lend credance to the fact that he is just a shy guy who would rather not talk to strangers, not that he is trying to “duck” the media because he is afraid they will ask him hard questions or tell him he is no good.
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by OBF on
Dec 4, 2008 11:40 AM PST
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A shy guy who displayed an amazing personality before he got injured
and did an ESPY skit with Justin Timberlake last summer?
I don’t think it’s just that he’s shy or that’s his personality.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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i don’t know what his motivation is but i do know it’s not as simple as “he’s just a shy guy.” there are plenty of shy people in the nba. they all take questions. look at nic batum, who comes off as much shyer than greg. he takes questions… in a foreign language. even if greg was THE shyest guy on the team it would still be in his interests to take questions. he has the ability to cut off questions at any time he wants.
ive seen greg take questions before and come across as not very shy at all. i dont know why he chooses not to now. hopefully it’s temporary.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:47 AM PST
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Perhaps it is similar to the SI cover
Keep in mind I’m talking completely out of my sit-upon here, but given his behavior WRT the SI cover earlier in the year, perhaps he doesn’t feel like he should be attracting attention until his deeds (in his mind) warrant the attention? I’m fine if he doesn’t want to talk much with the media, as long as he’s enjoying himself on the court and with his teammates.
And I would guess that the whole ESPY thing had more to do with the actions of his agent than any preference by G.O.
by DonkeyShins on
Dec 4, 2008 12:28 PM PST
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I agree
All Greg needs to do is produce on the court. If he’s does stuff off the court that is reported, I want to hear about it, but I won’t judge him by anything other than his PER.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:40 PM PST
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I agree
My only concern from Greg is this, Remember his personality when he was first drafted by the Blazers? This guy was over the top, very funny, very engaging, even Quick wrote an article about how Oden was going to own Portland because of his personality. We don’t see that right now, and I wish we could. My feeling is that once Greg is able to be Greg again on the court, (meaing 100% healing physically and mentally from the Micro) we will see him come back out of this shell he seems to be in.
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:40 PM PST
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That's what I think
He wants it to be about the team and not about him, at least until he feels like he is contributing as much as some of the other guys. The media constantly asks him how “he played” not necessarily how the “team” plays or how some of his fellow teammates played. I think he would rather have that versus the constant dissection (sp) of his game. I think he feels like he is letting his teammates down and isn’t worthy of all of the attention.
So then he just stops giving interviews until he feels he deserves them. I can’t blame him.
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by blazermaniac32 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:56 PM PST
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BEN!,
I remember reading a story put out by the oregonian about lamarcus and roy, kinda …..both playing the cool guy roll, and not ever speaking to one another until the other one broke down and approched the other first….
does it seem like that with oden and roy, or oden and lamarcus? are they givin oden the cold shoulder until oden mans up and tries to be their bff (you know what I mean)?
or are they all fairly…..talkitive with one another? are they including oden in the herd so to speak?
if ya don’t mind takin a wack at it.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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dont think i can say that definitively. ask again after the long homestand in two weeks.
general thoughts: this team has a very friendly, tight-knit overall demeanor. some teams you can see that the nba is only a business. that’s not the case with this team. it’s an inclusive bunch — i would be shocked to find out he was being excluded.
i have also noticed greg is interacting more with his teammates on the floor though. which is a very good sign.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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yeah, that's the vibe I get too,
I was just asking cuz I think it was the home sac game, that I think I saw lamarcus and roy chit chatting on the bench, and greg kinda leaned over and both lamarcus and roy’s smile kinda went away as they both looked over towards oden….and the article came to mind then, and I was like…hummmm?…strange. I did think that was a strange article to put out though, I mean I always thought lamarcus and roy were always fairly tight, but yeah, I didn’t think they would be too hard to get to know, but after that article, I started to wonder how the two of em were around greg n whether or not they extended him a better invitiation than they did each other(per the article)….
anyway thanks.
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by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 11:57 AM PST
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Thanks Ben
That adds alot to the subject. I am not concerned so much about Greg talking to the media. Can you tell us if what Jason said about Greg is true though. Quick said Greg is not having fun, he is “down” emotionally all the time, and is really feeling the weight of being the #1 pick still. Maybe as a blogger you can talk to Greg vs the newspaper guy that Quick is. Or talk to his team mates about his emotional state right now? When he is playing he looks good to me, but on the bench he seems unattentive. Get the inside scoop Ben!
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:12 PM PST
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ive put in a few game reports that i thought greg was down during games and introductions… after games he has not been available so it’s been tough… during pregame workout sessions he has been very focused and hardworking, not talking much to anyone, but not seeming down that much… just when the lights are on he seems to hole up a little bit… i think he’s been playing pretty well, which is why i wish he would talk more…
with the homestand coming soon i’ll have a much better chance to provide meaningful assessment. sorry about that
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by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 12:24 PM PST
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thanks Ben
for your perspective on the whole thing. You are so much closer to it than we are. – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on
Dec 11, 2008 1:45 PM PST
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After reading Quick's comments, what I'm wondering is
how is Oden getting along with his team mates? Does he have close “friends” on the team?
would acquiring Conley help Oden’s transition to the NBA and improve his overall mood?
Normally, I would recommend that the young giant “deal with it” and “grow up” but Greg is too important of a piece for the future of the ballclub to watch him slip into a depressed funk
(Remember, we fans didn’t know that Brandon and LMA weren’t really “close” last year, until the Quick article a few weeks ago)
by two4larue on
Dec 4, 2008 4:35 PM PST
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yeah, I don't fault Quick at all for giving his opinion.
If Greg or Greg and his agent, or Greg and the team decided it was better for him to avoid the media during this period, then fine.
I don’t think we should be reacting too much to either Quick or Greg. If they are both doing their jobs, then that’s fine by me. And in a few months, hopefully this discussion will have been forgotten.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 11:04 AM PST
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I think there is a role for a journalist in sports, but it does have
defined lines… I think Quick giving his personal opinion on this type of topic is outside the lines… it now creates more questions about both Oden and Quick in our minds… As a reporter, Quick should try to get answers from Oden, but if Oden doesn’t want to answer reporters, reporters shouldn’t draw conclusions from “non-answers.”
Personally, I think Quick attaches himself too closely with the team, and perhaps tries to get inside player’s minds too much.
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:32 AM PST
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Yeah, Quick has blurred the lines between Beat Writer and Columnist
but the reality for newspapers is that they are a dying breed and have to maximize their talent.
A true beat writer shouldn’t go on radio shows and inject his opinion like that, but that’s not the way the print media works any more. They have to do radio, blogs and etc. in order to compete.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 11:40 AM PST
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Yes,
if Greg was to mirror Quick, Greg would go on his yardbarker blog and inject his opinion on Quick, which wouldn’t accomplish anything… there is a higher-ground here in something like this…
There are 2 issues:
1- why is GO not talking to the media?
2- why does J. Quick take his matter public?
IMO – both need to grow up.
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:46 AM PST
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Greg's job isn't to report things about journalists
His job is to rebound, block shots and dunk the ball.
Quick’s job is to report on the team. I would rather have the knowledge that Greg is a “downer” than not knowing at all.
If Quick is giving his honest opinion (and he is closer to the team than any other journalist) and Ben seems to agree with that opinion, then I think he’s doing a great job.
Was it harsh? Perhaps. But I’d rather know the truth about what’s going on than not.
Why does J. Quick take this matter public? Ben Golliver actually got the scoop before Quick in his game recaps on Blazers Edge. Ben reported to us that Greg was dodging the media before I heard it from Quick.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 11:50 AM PST
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yes and no
… I think the NBA requires players to speak with the media – somebody can verify this; also i believe the blazers or nba fined rasheed wallace back in the day for not talking to the media
For my second question, I think Quick could’ve handled his answer much better on the talkshow… just my 2 cents
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:57 AM PST
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If Greg is dodging the media
Then why is there a video on Casey’s blog that has Oden being interviewed post-game (about 2/3 the way through the video)?
http://trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com/2008/12/video-mcmillan-oden-postgame.html
by DonkeyShins on
Dec 4, 2008 12:36 PM PST
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Whoops!
Just read hotstuffdb22 below. Sorry to steal your thunder, dude.
by DonkeyShins on
Dec 4, 2008 12:39 PM PST
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"I would rather have the knowledge that Greg is a "downer" than not knowing at all."
I dunno. I sometimes think our obsession with sports personalities and their lives and what they think is unhealthy.
I just want to watch the games.
I’m here, so I guess I’m as guilty as anyone, but I can’t imagine anyone in any job who would enjoy and thrive under the scrutiny that he’s getting as a new rookie.
When I was a kid I wanted to turn on the radio and hear Richie Allen belt one out of the park. I didn’t need to know if he was depressed or how much his team mates liked him.
by raoulduke on
Dec 4, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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I like it when Quick talks about Roy being the leader in the locker room,
I like hearing stories of LMA and Roy’s friendship that wasn’t always and stories about Travis fishing and going to the park in Mississippi…
I like to hear all the good stuff about the players…
And if guys are struggling, I want to hear about it as well.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 1:25 PM PST
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Agreed
There are a million things that could be happening in Greg’s life right now, including things that are totally unrelated to basketball. It bugs the heck outa me that Quick is extrapolating from Greg’s behavior that he’d like to give back his contract, go back to college, etc, etc.
That’s gossip, not news.
by Corvid on
Dec 4, 2008 11:50 AM PST
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maybe i shouldnt mention it
(and im not going to go into detail) but i have had dealings with the media, and for the most part they were dumb and despicable. even the friendly ones who thought they were doing you a big favor might portray you unrecognizably, quote you out of context etc… it was just stunning.
not every single experience was bad, but enough were that you could become “difficult” — oh my god when i start thinking about it i just have to stop. im talking about tv, radio and newspaper. it would have been a nightmare at the vulnerable age oden is.
you feel like like your skin is burning when you have to walk around after you feel youve been unfairly made to look like a fool.
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by ignacio on
Dec 4, 2008 11:11 AM PST
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Are you Longfellow Deeds?
reminds me of the way Deeds got treated by the paparazzi in that flick
by two4larue on
Dec 4, 2008 4:50 PM PST
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Greg is Fine
Frankly, I would not be talking to the media right now if I was Greg Oden. You have bloggers taking pictures of you with the slightest of frowns, critiquing him to be underwhelming, and asking the same question over and over. How is your knee holding up? Blah Blah Blah.
Let him concentrate on playing however he likes. He will catch on. Until he proves something in his mind, he will open to the media. Then he will have something to talk about.
by Balian on
Dec 4, 2008 11:16 AM PST
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A moody 20 year old?
I’m shocked. The dude’s gone emo. No biggie. He’ll grow out of it.
by Jumbo on
Dec 4, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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Yes, just look at Martell
Remember two years ago how moody he was? Now look at him. Sometimes you just need to learn how to cope and everyone is different.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on
Dec 4, 2008 1:00 PM PST
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Work sucks
and it’s hard. Everybody wishes they could go back to college. It’s a part of life.
by Jumbo on
Dec 4, 2008 1:54 PM PST
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I find it amazing how little credit Oden gets for what he is doing, as opposed to criticism for what he is not doing
The guy is top 3 in Rookie PER. He is doing better than DHoward’s rookie season in projected P/40 and R/40. He has made enormous strides in conditioning and is getting better at staying out of foul trouble. I think he is up to 7 double doubles in 13 games……
I mean jeesh, give the guy a break. Quick is adding to the problem by going public with this stuff. He would do well to try to build some report with the guy. I can see that as a journalist he has a responsibility to report what he knows, but using the term “downer” seems counterproductive. Just say, “Greg is sticking to himself and is not currently talking to the press.” No need to use subjective terms like “downer.”
by upper left corner on
Dec 4, 2008 11:28 AM PST
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like i said above, rapport is difficult to build when someone makes themself unavailable. i guarantee that quick has tried. he is a grat reporter and has the best relationship with the key figures of this organization — he got there by hard work.
also the media (quick included) wants to give oden credit but it’s difficult when he’s not available to help shed light on what’s going well. newspaper stories are built on quotes, you take away the quotes, you take away the story. dave and i can write in our recaps about how greg is playing because we have more freedom to go in every direction simultaneously…JQ doesn’t have that luxury. he is often on deadline after the games and if he can’t trust that greg will give him a quote, he simply can’t write a story about greg. he has a limited time to file his story with his editor — the rest of the team and coaching staff understand this.
as for using the term downer publicly — i agree that’s a tough one. but from what i’ve seen at games and practices, it’s not inaccurate, although maybe a little bit strong.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:33 AM PST
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thanks for the insider opinion here...
I wonder though why Quick goes so deep emotionally with the team… I mean sometimes on podcasts he’ s been almost crying about some decision, other times he’s telling Nate who his starting 5 would be… Quick’s primary role is to report, not give advice…. isn’t there some sort’ve line between business and friendship?? I sense Quick is more into the friendship of this whole thing than the business side. While he’s trying to capture the heartbeat of the team, he’s becoming too involved with it. Perhaps he should keep things more simple?
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:43 AM PST
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that’s one of those eye of the beholder things… i love that he can get so close, that he’s so invested, etc. the opposite — dreary columns, simplistic opinions, etc. would be far, far worse. it’s a fine line to walk but JQ is incredibly impressive to watch in person. the organization has incredible respect for him — it’s clear.
if JQ crossed a line, then you would be reading someone else’s name on the scoop when it comes to trades, etc. that hasn’t happened.
don’t underestimate the changing media landscape. JQ went from being a beat reporter to a full-bore media personality — radio, podcasts, blogging. that’s A LOT of snap judgments on what you say publicly and what you don’t say publicly. with the access he has to these guys, i guarantee you there is A LOT that he doesn’t report. only someone with his experience knows where that line is. does that mean he gets it right 100% of the time? no — but JQ is pretty dang close.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 11:57 AM PST
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I also love J. Quick's closeness to the team
I have heard him in recent weeks talk about how great Brandon Roy is with teammates, how Portland has the best locker room in the NBA… something like “Writers from other cities always come up to me and say, ‘Are the guys always like this in the locker room? What a joy.’”
If Quick gives his honest opinion about Brandon Roy and we all love to hear it, then we should also want to hear his honest opinion about Greg Oden. If he only gave the positive opinions and withheld the negative, he’d be nothing more than Mike Barrett or another paid staffer of Vulcan Inc.
Quick is a reporter and does a great job reporting and I hope he keeps bringing us the inside news, good or bad.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:06 PM PST
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I agree
Warts and all I’m a blazer fan, but I like to know what the warts are.
Does it make me question greg a little? Yeah. Am I concerned? Yeah.
My hope is that the blazer organization will help Greg out. Maybe, as suggested, it’s his choice. It WOULD be nice if Greg would say “hey, I need to pull away until I meet my expectations here. This fine team I’m in is amazing and I’m just helping out. I’ll come back if and when I deserve to be the story. Later.”
Greg probably is being emo. Sucks. I loved the joking greg. Still, he rocks the boards, rocks the blocks, effects the shots, gets in some scoring, is pretty dang good at passing. Frankly… I’m finally happy with what I’m seeing and he’s meeting the blazer pre-hype expectations I had. He also has 8 more games to go where I think he’ll finally have all the rust off.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 9:55 AM PST
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For A Guy
Ben,
For a guy so fixated on analyzing the psychological makeup of Greg Oden, I am surprise you have not come to the probable and obvious conclusion as to why Greg is avoiding the media right now.
The “I have done nothing yet” answer that he gave to one of the millions of media questions should tipped you off. He thinks the media is focusing too much on him and not on his teammates. His thinks his action on the court does not warrant all this media hype. He does not want to take the limelight away from Brandon Roy or other players who he thinks deserve more recognition. Greg Oden is a humble guy and has high standards for his play. Until he is comfortable with what he is doing on the court, he will avoid the media and let the spotlight shines on others.
Not everyone is good at talking to the media. Some prefer to avoid the media. Different strokes for different folks.
by Balian on
Dec 4, 2008 12:03 PM PST
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I love his humblenss
but also wish he would answer questions.
I’ve heard Greg give excellent interviews in the past, so I know he’s good with the media.
But if Greg doesn’t want to talk to them right now, that’s fine. Be that way. And if the media (Quick and Ben) report that to us, great—that’s their job.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:09 PM PST
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i guess that’s one explanation. that’s not the conclusion i would draw and that’s not the conclusion i have heard from any media member who has been around the team for an extended length of time.
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 12:18 PM PST
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My only issue with Quick
Is that he said, he doesn’t want to even talk to Oden at this point, or something really close to that. He said he doesn’t attempt to approach him anymore. And I do believe that Greg holds the “underwelming” comment against Quick, the way Jason discribed Greg’s reaction tells me so.
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Dec 4, 2008 12:04 PM PST
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there may be bad blood there. it’s definitely possible. i haven’t seen it but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. especially below the surface.
just wanted to be clear that JQ is not being frozen out exclusively… the rest of his comments, they are what they are…
keep in mind: for someone like JQ who has followed the team for a decade, this is THE BEST OF TIMES. part of his criticism probably comes from the fact (in his eyes) that oden doesn’t realize how good the team has it right now. there is a real excitement around this team. you can sense it from kp, brandon, nate… it’s a calm, confident excitement but it’s there nonetheless. for JQ, greg’s sadness (whatever you want to call it) has got to be confusing because of the success and path this team is on. hopefully that makes sense…
Draft Kyle Singler.
by Ben. on
Dec 4, 2008 12:13 PM PST
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that's true
Quick did say something along the lines of, “his team is 13-6 how can he be so sad?”. So maybe he just doesn’t understand what Greg is going through, after all who can? (especially if Greg won’t open up to anyone). I think Jason might just be frustrated with Greg not talking, after all I am sure his bosses are wanted stories about Greg just like we are.
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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didn't oden only lose like two games in his life?
Losing six must be a HUGE blow!
/sarcasm
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 9:57 AM PST
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If there wasn’t bad blood there before there almost certainly has to be now.
by Scorcho on
Dec 11, 2008 10:36 AM PST
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I thought the 'underwhelming| remark was out of line
And so is this,,2 strikes JQ,one more and you go on my Canzano,Screaming A Smith ect list of full of themself media celebritys/personalities that I ignore
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Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST
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I think this remark is more callous actually
To say you think a player is not performing on the court “underwhelming” is one thing. To say that someone is a downer and then go on to speculate that he wants to go back to college and reneg on his contract is a whole different ball of wax. Gotta say I’m not much of a quick fan when he rips on Oden for not meeting JQ’s needs. I think Quick needs to grow up more then Oden I mean how old is JQ? 35? 45? Oden is 20 and adjusting to the NBA and relentless media scrutiny and criticism. Quick is just airing his negativity about a sports figure not meeting his needs.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:33 PM PST
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I haven't listend to the quote
but if he actually said downer… yeah, I could be going callous. He’s exiting the reporting world and entering into personal expectations, feelings, and projections.
He probably should back up a little on that one. It’s one thing to report it, it’s another thing to speculate and create rumors. Greg may be down, but until he talks about it I would personally prefer that Quick report it as fact instead of the speculating.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:02 AM PST
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I didn't
he was based on the expectations the blazers had built up.
that was NOT greg’s fault. That was the organizations fault for hyping someone that was not at the level of the hype.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 9:58 AM PST
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oh, and frankly
I was underwhelmed too.
when I went back to my pre-hype expectations, greg has been on the money. Actually, he’s been dominating a little more than i thought he would, although his moves are a little stiffer than I thought. He’s been shaking the stiff off quickly though.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:00 AM PST
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agreed
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
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Dec 5, 2008 1:15 PM PST
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rapport is also hard to build with someone
when you tell them with your unsolicited opinion that you’ve been “underwhelming”, when all the kid has done was busted his hump over the past year to get ready for this season. Seems to me that JQ is trying to fit into that John Canzano jerk role
"Smile! You're on a poster!!" - Mike Rice
by lefty6283 on
Dec 4, 2008 2:17 PM PST
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Some people take criticism better than others...
for instance, J Quick told Roy and Aldridge they were slumping at the start of the season and they gave honest responses and agreed with him.
Oden is younger though, and less mature emotionally and mentally and doesn’t know how to deal with that criticism yet.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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Also, the whole "overwhelming" thing was blown out of context by the fans
and other media.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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"under" not "over" lol
I don’t know if it has been. That is a pretty big blow to call a guy out after he just spent a full YEAR recovering from the worst injury a bball player can have. I thought quick was way out of line at the time and I still do to this day.
Greg will learn and mature when it comes to taking criticism that is true, but J.Quick can also learn how to deal with players coming off injuries better. Maybe he needed to adjust his expectations instead of heaping them onto Greg.
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 4, 2008 2:32 PM PST
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Exactly
It’s Quick who is creating these phantom problems. You can say Oden looks depressed such as Ben has and that is fine and probably accurate. To say someone is a “Downer” and speculate how they want to flee back to college is just kind of a cheap shot.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:35 PM PST
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Why is giving an honest opinion a cheap shot?
Maybe Quick is pissed off because he’s covered the Blazers since Greg was in middle school or elementary school and the team and the fans have never had it so good.
In addition, Quick has never been around a better group of guys—they are great with each other and with the media.
So it comes as a surprise that Oden is in depression-ville while the team is compiled of great guys like Brandon Roy, Travis Outlaw and Lamarcus Aldridge… if everything is so good for the Blazers, why is everything so bad for Greg?
I think that’s a legitimate concern to be having. I would rather know about it now and see the Blazers deal with it so Greg doesn’t bounce out of town at the end of his rookie contract. I’m sure Indiana would love to have Greg come back home and play for them in a few years. If Greg hates his life right now, I’d rather know about it than be blindsided when he has an “accidental” overdose or do something crazy down the road.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 2:39 AM PST
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I agree
It is worth reporting.
Frankly, I’d like to hear some commentary on this from the blazers. It’s this grumbly rumor that keeps popping up. If it keeps up for a couple more weeks I think it’d be incredibly remiss of the blazers to not address.
If it’s something that they’re addressing, cool. Just give the fans a quick heads up, no further comment, and I think most of us can respect that. then just give us some updates on whatever it is or isn’t. Doesn’t have to be greg.
In the mean time, I’m going to cross my fingers and hope that I’ll get to see the greg that was welcomed by a large throng of people. That guy who was joking around and happy to be here. I miss that greg. Frye isn’t blowing us away stat-wise, but we love him for him. I’d like to love greg for greg. His stats rock, I’m happy… how about some love Greg?
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:09 AM PST
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well
actually WE were also talking about how depressed Oden looks. Ben asked a trainer about it and the trainer said it was flat out not a problem.
It’s either not a problem or it’s an ugly bruise the blazers don’t want to show off.
either way, it’s not just quick talking about it. Greg projects that appearance even if that’s not what’s going on.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:05 AM PST
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expectations?
KP and the rest of the Blazers brass created those by raving about Oden’s performance in workouts over the summer.
That’s why Quick was underwhelmed in the preseason, but the team itself has built up such high expectations. Quick didn’t build the expectations, he was tricked by them (and became frustrated by that).
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 2:34 AM PST
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i think that maybe you just want to be quick
and thats why ur haveing such a hard time seing that quick calling oden a downer is likely just born out of quick being but hurt that hes not getting the access that he feals hes entitled to. if he really was entitled to it, he would really be getting it. the access is up to gregs discretion, and no amount of media credentioals, or deadlines change that.
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
by maid tu rek on
Dec 5, 2008 1:09 PM PST
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likewise, we should applaud Quick for his great work
Two great and super positive articles on the Blazers today.
I think we should lay off Oden and lay off Quick. If they both continue to do their jobs, I don’t care about this superfluous nonsense.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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You Reap What You Sow
Underwhelming Jason Quick.
by Balian on
Dec 4, 2008 11:41 AM PST
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It's like the book, Think and Grow Rich or the book The World is as You Dream It
J. Quick called Oden underwhelming, which was accurate when taken in context, and now Oden is underwhelming the media with his demeanor in the locker room.
If you think it enough, it will happen.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 1:29 PM PST
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I do think its a bit of a concern
that Greg doesn’t seem to be enjoying himself.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:00 PM PST
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I agree with that
and that is a humane and reasonable way of phrasing things and examining the issue. Direct character attacks are not.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:36 PM PST
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character attacks?
I don’t think Quick was saying Greg is a bad person. I think he was saying that Greg has not been showing that great personality he used to have. It’s not a “direct character attack”… he’s just pointing out Greg’s mood. We all have ups and downs in life and Greg is in a down right now. Do you think he actually listens to Quick on the radio? No. So it’s not like Quick is making him more depressed.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 2:43 AM PST
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he called him a downer
or at least that’s how this post started out. (haven’t listened yet)
If he DID call him a downer, that is name calling as opposed to just saying he seems down.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:11 AM PST
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certainly, and maybe Quick could have chosen a better phrasing to his words
but I think people like to take one thing that is said, grab onto it and take it out of context, and villainize the guy who said it.
I’m just tired of people hating Quick to two words he has said in the last year, when he is constantly giving us great information on a daily basis. If you read he articles, listen to his podcasts or hear him on the radio, he’s giving thousands of words of info, mostly positive. And while it’s nice to hear from Barrett and Wheels and such, Quick is the person closest to the Blazers that isn’t working for him. I really appreciate and can trust his opinion that much more because he is independent of the organization.
For how much content and analysis he provides, I’m not surprised he would slip up once in a while and use bad wording. But if you take what he has to say in context, you can understand what he means, and it’s great info.
Instead of doing that, people have crucified him since his piece in October and probably quit reading all the great stuff on Brandon’s leadership and etc. he has written since then.
People have long done that with Canzano. I don’t agree with everything he writes, but occassionally he writes a very stellar piece. People will hold a grudge for years it seems based on one article. With Canzano there may be a pattern of stuff people don’t like, and that’s fine if people don’t like him. But I still want to get his perspective and J. Quick’s good stuff far outweighs these rare snafus.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 11:55 AM PST
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speculating that greg would trade his rooky contract to go back to collage?
Travis please save us
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Knicks on Blazer's Edge
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Dec 5, 2008 1:30 PM PST
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I didn't hear that part of the interview...
maybe it was there, I dunno.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 2:24 PM PST
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We dont know how he feels
If i were greg i wouldnt talk to the media also. I would feel you you made a star and now you want to tear me down. Look the guy is playing good for just coming back from a major surgery. I get sick of the media and some fans analyzing everything the guy does like were all dr. phil
by blazerchamp on
Dec 4, 2008 12:03 PM PST
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Big Concern
Does anybody worry (I know it is early in his “rookie” season) that if even if our team is a playoff team and Greg has good to great success, that he still may not like playing in a small market. Maybe a larger market, with less pressure, would be more appealing to the big man. Here on BE, we have been talking non stop for months about each player on this team. At least in a larger market there are other sports teams to take the burden off being in a “fish bowl.” I am a little afraid that the allure of championships, and Paul Allens money, it still won’t be enough to keep an unhappy, top 3 center, in Portland.
by bad karma on
Dec 4, 2008 12:12 PM PST
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A larger market does not necessarily come with less pressure. There are more faces, but he would have to answer the same questions over and over again.
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Dec 4, 2008 12:15 PM PST
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Agreed
If Greg can’t handle J Quick, then the NY media would eat him alive like they did Randy Johnson and countless others.
J Quick, Brian Hendrickson, Kerry Egg-on-my-face-ers, Ben Golliver, Dwight Jaynes… Ok, I haven’t met them in person, but they seem like typical Portland dudes and good guys.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:18 PM PST
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I've met a couple
(and you forgot Casey. He’s Blazer now, but he was outside of that box before. I suppose he’s still outside of it in my mind.)
and they seemed like good guys.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:14 AM PST
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i wouldnt think there is less pressure in new york or L A probaly more
by blazerchamp on
Dec 4, 2008 12:16 PM PST
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Not NY or LA
But what about Dallas or Clevland. Maybe somewhere Basketball is not the #1 sport? I hope not, but lets be honest, Portland is unique, and we like it that way. But in saying that, maybe its not for everyone. I have NO real reason to think that GO does not absolutly love living or playing here, Its just something that has crossed my mind.
by bad karma on
Dec 4, 2008 12:41 PM PST
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You know...
Maybe greg just hasn’t found his groove here yet. The big guy just may be homesick.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:15 AM PST
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Oden Speaks!!!!
Watch this link for Coach Mac and Oden (2:07 mark)….. Unbelievable!!!
He’s actually talking to the media, we can all rest now =)
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Dec 4, 2008 12:16 PM PST
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Oden speaks really well here about the win last night in DC...
I noticed J. Quick was in the background when Mac was talking, but unsure if he was there for Oden… let’s all speculate !!!!
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:19 PM PST
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speculate?
Oden stole Quick’s gf and he is bitter.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:24 PM PST
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Oh Snap!
Mr. Quick – SNAP!
Ball Don't Lie
by bothteamsplayedhard on
Dec 4, 2008 12:30 PM PST
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ok
so that video was short, but obviously Greg was talking to the media, (although we can’t tell if there were any PDX media in that crowd, we would have to assume right?) at least on this night. He even started to crack a smile! O.o
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:36 PM PST
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SMILE?
I took that as a little snarl. ;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 12:38 PM PST
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if you look at my username picture of oden,
he’s smiling in it…. YES, Oden does smile… he does talk to people – was talking with a lot of folks last night – seemed all fine and dandy as of 10:18 P.M EST
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:42 PM PST
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everyone is so critical of every step Oden takes...
now Quick is in the same camp… I bet Quick just saw this video in Boston and is now getting ready to go talk to oden
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:39 PM PST
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Greg makes himself available to the media
only hours after Quick calls him out on 1080…
That’s how much this organization respects Quick. If you main media man is frustrated, then maybe you ask Gregory to speak to the media.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:44 PM PST
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ha ha ha...
GO pays no attn. to 1080…
by hotstuffdb22 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:47 PM PST
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you mean he doesn't listen to the Ropp and Big Suke podcast on his iPod
before games?
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 12:59 PM PST
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who the what?
are those on air names? Seriously?
Those names are silly!
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:16 AM PST
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yeah, I don't listen to them since 95.5 started
They are sort of the crazy.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 11:59 AM PST
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just because he wont speak to the media doesnt mean that he is folding under the pressure
by blazerchamp on
Dec 4, 2008 12:22 PM PST
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I don't know
he was doing pillates and yoga… he should be pretty flexible by now!
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:17 AM PST
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Have you guys read truehoop today?
There is a really surprising (for me) talk about how many players in the NBA are depressed.
I’m gonna quote the paragraph:
"The other day I talked to a guy who is close to several NBA players. I asked him to estimate the percentage of NBA players who are depressed. I guessed 60. He said more like 95. It’s probably a topic for another post, on another day, when I understand that better. But it occurs to me that one who is not is Martell Webster. "
That can’t be serious. 60% is way higher than I could ever conceive. 95% is obviously wrong.
by Falcao on
Dec 4, 2008 1:19 PM PST
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Probably not percent, but out of roughly 450 (30 × 15). Which would still be quite high. Though there are similar numbers for college students who are under pressure.
by Norsktroll on
Dec 4, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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I guess money doesn't buy happiness...
except for the millions of starving people around the globe. But at least NBA players can spend money on nice cars and fancy houses and be depressed.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 4, 2008 1:58 PM PST
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That sounds like a casual conversation between two people who (probably) don’t have training in counseling or psychology. In other words, take it with a big fat grain of salt. I’ll pay more attention to this kind of info when Henry starts quoting shrinks or studies instead of “someone close to several NBA players.”
Abbott’s bullet is really about Martell and his amazingly positive attitude.
by Corvid on
Dec 4, 2008 2:03 PM PST
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Oden hasn't done jack that's worth talking about
I’m glad he ditches out. Roy can put the team on his back and win the game and they want to talk to Oden about his 20 minutes in the game. He’s not the story most nights but the media wants to make him the story. Przybilla is outplaying Oden, but the media wants to talk to Oden after the game. This situation is pretty silly.
by tominhawaii on
Dec 4, 2008 1:56 PM PST
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+1
Hit the nail on the head.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on
Dec 4, 2008 2:15 PM PST
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No, leading the team in double doubles in limited minutes is nothing
Disrupting opposing team’s offenses so that they don’t want to go in the middle— that’s nothing. Blocking out the best rebounder on the opposing team every single time—that’s nothing. Drawing double teams and passing effectively out of them, thus distorting opposing defenses—that’s nothing. Causing teams to employ a “hack-a-Shaq”—one that doesn’t work because GO can hit his free-throws—that’s nothing.
Sure, Roy is the leader of the team, Przy is playing great (if partly because he doesn’t have to worry about fouls anymore), Rudy is lighting it up, etc. But to say “Oden hasn’t done jack that’s worth talking about” is a major overstatement. Even coming off of a lost season and microfracture knee surgery, he’s contributing to this team. And as he continues to shake off the rust and get in shape, he’s only going to get better. LOTS better.
Yes the media needs to get off Greg Oden’s back. They also need to notice that he’s not the only story on this Blazers team. But don’t say he hasn’t done anything.
By the way, GO will be much more effective once his teammates learn to play with HIM. Contrary to popular belief, basketball is a TEAM game, and most of the Blazers still have no idea of how to utilize a weapon like Greg Oden. That’ll come with time, though. Then everyone will marvel at how much better GO is playing.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on
Dec 4, 2008 5:16 PM PST
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Wow.
Beautiful summation Hurryup09. Great post as is so often the case with you. Well said my friend well said!
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:43 PM PST
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Er, um
Great post, well written, all that stuff.
But do you realize how many words you just went to the trouble of typing in a serious response to a TiH post?
You’ve been had.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:53 PM PST
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lol
Travis please save us
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by maid tu rek on
Dec 5, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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Good point
honestly… i want more vanilla stories. The guy has been INCREDIBLE.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on
Dec 5, 2008 10:18 AM PST
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Kareem
I may be treading into dangerous waters, among Trailblazers fans, but here goes. I think Greg is probably a lot like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in personality. He is not your typical athlete, and not just because he’s still a kid. He is a bit more thoughtful, reserved, etc. I always thought that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar these characteristics were misportrayed by the media, who wanted to peg him as brooding, arrogant, and angry. The name change had something to do with it because I think he was viewed as an “angry black man”. (Muhammad Ali was treated differently because he was colorful with the media.) I sense that Greg may be heading down the same track.
The media wants everyone to be Charles Barkley because they need stories to write about to feed sports addicts like ourselves in need of a fix. There are much greater sins than not talking to the media.
by keephopealive on
Dec 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST
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Interesting take
thanks for posting it. Walton was similar in PDX.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on
Dec 4, 2008 3:48 PM PST
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Interesting, but I think GO has a much more "fun" personality than Kareem
Remember those UTube videos of GO clowning and dancing with friends? I challenge you to visualize Kareem acting like that—even at the same age.
If GO has gone into a shell, it’s because the relentless pressure applied to him by fans and media alike have driven him there. Everyone needs to just back off and give this 20-year-old some space. As he continues to play better and help the team win, all the negativity will be forgotten. Hopefully.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on
Dec 4, 2008 5:00 PM PST
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The Oden Story right now is painful to read.
It appears that Greg is stuck in a media mess. I hope that he avoids these sites for the moment. There isn’t much comfort in reading this stuff. I do know that 20 year olds can get easily overwhelmed and so it makes sense that he would avoid the media but the reasoning is personal. We cannot get in his head, so why try? He’ll figure it out. Give him some space. Go Blazers!!
by Lu on
Dec 4, 2008 3:54 PM PST
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Because Dave and Ben
are only tangentially related to the media and because they are virtuous paradigms of blogger citizenry it is therefore safe on this site to state that professional journalists should be viewed from behind shaded eyes. Imagine the analogies of mass media ethics to legal system ethics, to political ethics or high finance ethics. Oxymorons all. The next case of creeping rot is always right around the corner; not that J. Quick is the carrier of that illness, just that Greg should always wash his hands after answering questions from the press. Rasheed was always the most interesting Blazer to watch interact with the press. From a distance it was always hard to see if he was noble or childish. Maybe he was the exemlplar of JJ Rousseau’s noble savage virtues. Rasheed could take care of himself even when we didn’t like like it and so will Greg. Don’t forget to wash your hands after.
by oregonslee on
Dec 4, 2008 3:59 PM PST
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If GO isn't talking to the media, they have themselves to blame
He was perfectly open—an interviewer’s delight—until the media started piling on him. And Quick was a prime offender with that “underwhelming” story. I think that we as Blazer fans need to pressure the media to get off this kid’s back. Otherwise, he may want to get out of Portland the day his rookie contract expires.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on
Dec 4, 2008 4:55 PM PST
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Again
hammer to nail on the head. Bam. Well said Hurry well said.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:45 PM PST
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How does that story make Quick an "offender?"
Quick was underwhelmed by Oden, and he wrote about it. That’s Quick’s job.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Dec 4, 2008 9:01 PM PST
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And the justification for
Quick calling Oden a downer – a non-play related character insult – and extrapolating that to mean he wanted out of his contract?
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 10:57 PM PST
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I have no problem with Quick calling Oden a downer...
… Quick is well within his job description to talk about off the court thins as well. I also have no problem with Quick engaging in speculation on the radio, as long as he’s clear that it is just speculation.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Dec 4, 2008 11:37 PM PST
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piling on him?
So Oden goes out and gets drafted #1. He gets the $5 million a year contract. He goes on the ESPY awards with Justin Timberlake. He gets to endorse the crappy Portland-area car dealerships. He gets to meet the first lady and pimp Oregon Mentors. He gets to endorse Obama and do radio ads for Obama in Ohio and Indiana.
And you say the media is “piling on him”?
Poor little Gregory. Why is the media so unfair?
Are you kidding me? What kind of a hero worship state do you live in? N. Korea?
And then you say J. Quick is the prime offender? This is the same guy that lavishes praise on Brandon Roy and the rest of the team on a daily basis. Quick is like a high school newspaper reporter compared to the real meanies in NY and LA.
Blazers fans “underwhelmed” me when they blew J. Quick’s story out of context back in October, and they are underwhelming me again with their response to a 30 second answer in a radio interview.
Lighten up and get a life Blazer fans. Oden doesn’t need volunteer media censors on every fan website.
by Bust a Bucket on
Dec 5, 2008 2:54 AM PST
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Everyone who wants to support Greg
should get a Yardbarker account and give the man some props for being a great guy. We need to support him as fans to make sure he realizes that the media does not equal the fan base. I know he reads his Yardbarker comments because he responded to me and other folks on there.
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by Idog1976 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:47 PM PST
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I think Quick is great.
I think he has found a balance between the newspaper and the players. He has cultivated a good relationship with the players. The players have allowed him enough rope so that he has come up with some fascinating and revealing stories about them.
- Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on
Dec 11, 2008 2:05 PM PST
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