Blazer Team Stats (through 20 games)
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 9:47 AM PST
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I've compiled a set of statistics for the first 20 games of the season and hopefully will be updating in a similar manner throughout the season every 10 games. Numbers come from the team summary on nba.com. These have been drastically reformatted, hopefully making things a little easier to read as well as documenting the numbers at this particular moment in time.
The numbers here were taken from the Blazers team page at nba.com, with one correction made (correct sum of TO = 250, not 275 as stated on the page — there seem to be 25 "team turnovers" of some sort that I don't know about that are tallied...).
I have also calculated weighted averages PER 40 MINUTES PLAYED for Points, Rebounds, and Assists to help compare the relative production of part-time players with the starters and bench players like Rudy and Travis that see heavy action.
Since the software shrinks the table beyond the point of legibility at the top, I will post it again immediately below, along with a link to the actual file on my server.
From Left to Right, the statistics here are:
G - Games Played
GS -Games Started
MIN - Minutes Played
MPG - Minutes Played Per Game
PTS - Points
PPG - Points Per Game
PP40 - Points Per 40 Minutes Played
FGM - Field Goals Made (including both 2 point and 3 point shots)
FGA - Field Goals Attempted
FG% - Field Goal Percentage
3PM - Three Point Shots Made
3PA - Three Point Shots Attempted
3P% - Three Point Shot Percentage
FTM - Free Throws Made
FTA - Free Throws Attempted
FT% - Free Throw Percentage
REB - Rebounds (Sum of Offensive and Defensive)
RPG - Rebounds Per Game
R40 - Rebounds Per 40 Minutes Played
AST - Assists
APG - Assists Per Game
A40 - Assists Per 40 Minutes Played
TO - Turnovers (total)
ST - Steals (total)
BLK - Blocks (total)
I will make observations about these numbers in the discussion area below and hope you will as well.
timbo
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And here's the graphic again, along with another link...
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 9:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Incredible... especially from 3
Of our 10 regulars, 7 of them are hitting a good to very good percentage from deep (even Sergio).
by as11osu on Dec 4, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
Thanks. Just a quick edit. I don’t know if this is your bias or not (kidding), but Sergio’s FT % is showing up as zero….
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 4, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, defect in my spreadsheet. Thanks.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, right
We ALL believe that.
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's because he was shooting 100% after 10 games and I couldn't fit that in the column and had to axe the formula from that cell. Don't hit me, Dane and SergioForTheWiz...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*whack*
Thanks for showing Sergio has as many assists as Blake does for the season despite averaging half the minutes(2 more TO). Only 5 less rebounds total… Blake definitely has the shot advantage thats about it. But most importantly, his defense. This is why Sergio has been getting crunch time minutes in some situations. I am so happy to see McMillan getting Sergio to play good defense.
Nice chart, you and al gore should hang out.
by TheGreatDane17 on Dec 4, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We already do. I call him "Alfalfa" and he calls me "Timboroni."
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like the people that give Travis the hardest time are new to this team
He holds a special place for me – when KP was coaching and playing all those youngsters Travis stole my heart. I’ve been rooting for him ever since. I’ll be sad to see him go eventually – love the 3pt %, he’s lights out from the corner . . . James, who?
by Over Analysis on Dec 4, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
on the other hand
he’s 48/125 in 2 pt. FG
by Falcao on Dec 4, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Timbo may be an evil, puppy killing, apple pie hating liberal...
but he’s da MAN on the stat sheets. : )
Thanks, man. Good work.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I eat puppies and kill apple pies, but you've got the idea...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some comments...
1. Team scoring is edging up towards the century mark. This team may have a non-running, grinding half-court offensive style, but they do put up points at a decent clip.
2. Oden continues to rebound at a higher clip than Pryz per 40 minutes. This is EXCELLENT. I still believe that this is a statistical anomaly In Oden’s case; Pryz consistently works for better position and over the long haul I think he’ll probably edge Oden. But it’s nice to see.
3. Sergio continues to dish assists at a double-digit clip per 40 minutes; and to shoot right at The Rodriguez Line™ — .350.
4. Pryz has managed to come back from a horrific start at the free throw line to bring himself up to the .633 mark. I’ll bet somebody ONE AMERICAN DOLLAR that he finishes over .700 — he’s in the best rhythm I’ve ever seen him in these days…
5. Roy at 21.1 with growing national recognition and the strong start of the team is looking like a back-to-back All Star, which is saying something for a 2 guard out of the West.
6. Rudy, Travis, and Blake are all off the charts with their 3 point shooting. This team needs to take MORE 3s, not fewer, the expected value of one of their shots from behind the arch exceeds the expected value of any other play.
7. Both Rudy and Blake are sinking FTs at a National Superstar clip — 95.3% and 93.9%, respectively.
8. Look at the scoring balance per 40 minutes! This team is DEEP.
That’s all for now…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
rebounds
I would say Joel works harder to get rebounds outside his immediate vicinity, and is generally craftier than Oden right now.
However, that stat is not an anomaly. While Oden doesn’t get as many rebounds outside his immediate vicinity as Joel, said vicinity is HUGE. The guy just occupies so much volume in the post that the area where you’d consider a rebound bouncing right to him is like twice as big as Joel’s.
If anything width Joel playing seemingly at his peak and Oden still figuring things out, I expect the disparity to grow as the season moves on.
Another observation: Roy has to take better care of the ball! Yikes! The last few games he’s been turning it over like crazy.
by matthewcc on Dec 4, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One if the reasons 3pt % is up is because they are getting good catch and shoot threes with their feet set......
More attempts are fine as long as they are quality attempts. Part of this is more inside out play. We need Oden to continue to score enough so that he is a legitimate threat down low who draws the double team. Don’t start chucking.
by upper left corner on Dec 4, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that bet
If you’ll agree to 75 cents canadian,,,,,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by Dragonage on Dec 4, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could combine Sergio's passing and defense with Blake's shooting
He’d have to change his name to Jose Calderon… we wouldn’t have to worry about our future PG… and all would be well.
Damn Sergio, why weren’t you working on your shooting before this last summer? Imagine if you had and were good now? … arg.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 4, 2008 10:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some people can hit a baseball, most people can't...
……………………………. Some people can hit jumpers, most people can’t…
You can pretty well judge a baseball hitter by the averages he has put up throughout his career and I think the same thing is true with perimeter shooting. Sergio is a .350 shooter. The key is to figure out how to minimize the damage inflicted by the defective part of the game (i.e. severely limit the quantity of shots) while allowing him to maximize the benefit of the great part of his game (passing the rock).
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just get him to stop
shooting inside the arc. 35% is decent on 3 pointers. He just shouldn’t shoot any jump shots unless they are open 3 pointers or unless there is like 0.3 seconds left on the shot clock.
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, I think.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Confidence Is Key
His confidence is just starting to grow. From being a youngling 19 year old, pass only ACB player… He has had to transistion into a defense oriented(best PG defender on the team) half court(getting so much better at running Nates offense) point guard is tough. I have been seeing major strides. He now has to continue to work on shot confidence & decision making. If he improves that at the same rate his defense has improved then I will be a very happy man come the start of next season.
by TheGreatDane17 on Dec 4, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is correct
I’d like to see a little more improvement on defense, too, but he’s come a long, long way there. All in all, he’s earned his spot as a rotation player, and is showing he could be a starter. If he bumps up his 2 pt percentage to, say, 45, and gets near 40 on 3s, Steve might be sitting….
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shoot, 40% will do it
if he can hit 40% from inside and outside the arc while maintaining his assists production and assists-to-TO ratio that’d be plenty to get the starting role. 40% is a loooooooooong way away though, and he has dug quite a hole.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 4, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd better get some layins
which means 40% inside the arc is pretty pathetic.
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, it's not as good as it could be
but it’s enough to beat out blake. Sergio leads him in all hustle stats by a factor of almost two: steals, rebounds and o-rebounds, and that will make up for a few % points difference shooting, combined with twice as many assists per minute.
of course all this is very speculative, and assumes sergio can improve his shot and maintain all the other aspects of his game with more minutes and against better competition—which is anything but a given.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 5, 2008 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you are definitely seeing something no one else is seeing
i don’t have access to practices, so i haven’t seen anything from Bayless to back-up your assured assertions. If only someone had access to practices . . . . hmm, I guess Nate does, right?
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 5, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this was responding to timbo somewhere?
I’m very high on Bayless as far as the future is concerned, but I’m not making assured assertions about him right now, and certainly didn’t in the comment above this one.
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by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, it was timbo, I see it down below
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by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget JBay's ability to get to the rim.....
by upper left corner on Dec 4, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rex is the guy, long-term...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
................. or so it is widely anticipated.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Bayless will be our starter even before I rule the world.
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you have a date set for that?
by Norsktroll on Dec 4, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I do have a date
why would I wait?
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly enough, our beloved Rudy has no better percentages than "chucker" Travis ;-)
by Norsktroll on Dec 4, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Except for free throws, of course. He is already All-NBA in that category. And this is not to say he is not exceeding most expectations and some rookie records, while over time his offense could even improve.
by Norsktroll on Dec 4, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis takes a lot of stupid, turnaround contested 2s... He's money shooting corner 3s though...
There is NO WAY that guy is getting traded this year unless the Blazers are getting someone super good…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw
Needs to learn how to drive with confidence.
by TheGreatDane17 on Dec 4, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because as it is right now
They are expecting him to do those turnaround jumpers. I have noticed he is passing it much better this season.
by TheGreatDane17 on Dec 4, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the Wizards commenters said something interesting yesterday
To the effect of “it’s rare to find a player in the NBA who gets such high elevation and can still release a good jump shot when he is up there”.
by Norsktroll on Dec 4, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can GET his shot against anyone. MAKING the shot is another matter, not to mention the whole question of whether the contested midrange jumper was the most desirable play...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#1 lesson from this chart
Travis should always take the open 3. ALWAYS. Nate and co. need to pound this into his head. at least 20 times this season, he has caught the ball behind the arc with lots of space for an open-3 and instead dribbled 3 feet closer into tight coverage from his man and shot a very difficult 2.
anyone shooting above 40% from the 3 should be taking every open look they get.
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 4, 2008 11:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Outlaw rocks the three ball. And with his height no one's close out should effect him much.
It’s hilarious how bad his % gets over the line.
Dunks and threes Travis. After people are scared of you there you will get wide open 2s too.
by staylost on Dec 4, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blocks
Oden Blocks per 40 = 3
Pryz Blocks per 40 = 2.3
Onlu three guys in the league have better blocks per 40 (Howard, Camby and … Turiaf?!?!?!)
Just imagine the shot vacum that Oden will be when he is fully recovered and comfortable!
Go M's
by OBF on Dec 4, 2008 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blocks 1.1
Turiaf has 41 blocks and GSW leads the league in blocks per game (7.22). Can you believe such a small team has that many blocks?!
Portland is 10th in the league with 5.50 blocks per game.
Dwight Howard is a beast with 76 blocks already. No one else is even close.
by portlandpete on Dec 4, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I know you don't like Sergio but 0% in free throws is too much
Did all of you notice how similar are the numbers of Serigio and Blake apart of points and %?
Sergio has 33 reb, 84 ast, 28 TO, 15 st, 0 blk while
Blake has 38 reb, 84 ast, 26 TO, 15 st, 0 blk.
Funny. They are competing not in PT of PG but also in stats.
by cbp on Dec 4, 2008 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
First one to get a block wins!
How can we subtract out the points and % in terms of comparing the two players? A large part of Blake’s value is his ability to hit catch and shoot jumpers.
Also, Sergio’s numbers go up as a result of the players he’s playing with (though he’s doing it with far less minutes). Not to denigrate his playmaking ability, which I do think is higher than Blake’s, but the freewheeling style that the second unit employs is more conducive to assists. In the first unit with Roy handling the ball or LMA/Oden posting up assists are far harder for Blake to come up with.
With that being said, the plodding pace of the half-court offense also cuts down on the number of TOs that Blake might make in comparison to Sergio, so their Assist to TO ratio may very well end up being similar with the style of play taken into account.
First Unit AP40
Roy 5.8
Blake 5.7
LMA 1.8
Batum 2.5
Oden 1.6
Total 17.4
Second Unit AP40
Sergio 11.1
Rudy 3.0
Frye 1.9
Pryz 0.8
Trout 2.0
Total 18.8
Obviously, this comparison is flawed in that there isn’t mass substitution going on, but I definitely think that the quicker pace, movement heavy offense helps the assists numbers go up (and lack of post up players in the second unit).
by portlandpete on Dec 4, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is very clearly the starter this year, and Sergio very clearly the "2nd base," to borrow a phrase from our Spanish friends...
…………………………… Ultimately, the decision is going to need to be made whether Sergio or Rex is the backup guard. There is no way that either of those guys is going to settle for 0 minutes as a 3rd stringer much longer than this season…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 4, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless = Eventual Starter
I think the hope is that Bayless turns into a better defending/slashing Blake. Sergio is stuck on the second unit (which he might end up preferring seeing as Rudy is probably always going to be coming off the bench as well) and Blake is let go after Bayless gets his NBA legs under him.
For clarification’s sake my original post was just trying to point out why, statistically, Sergio benefits from playing with the second unit. I wasn’t trying to sell either Blake or Sergio in it.
by portlandpete on Dec 4, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I suspect that Sergio’s emergence this year and Bayless’ next year means that Steve ends up third string or gone. As much as I like Steve, and am convinced you could win it all with him, it appears that Sergio may reach his potential after all, and his ceiling is higher than Steve’s.
And I’m about 95% certain that Jerryd will surpass Steve by the end of next season, if not sooner. Which means Steve is almost certainly on his way out of the rotation. Too bad. Maybe we’ll win it all this year so he can get a ring and some glory before it happens.
That’s a good idea, let’s win it all this year. Win one for the Blaker.
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by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are seeing something I'm not, I reckon...
I don’t see Blake going anywhere, which leaves Sergio…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 5, 2008 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you are definitely seeing something no one else is . . .
i don’t have access to practices, so i haven’t seen anything from Bayless to back-up your assured assertions. If only someone had access to practices . . . . hmm, I guess Nate does, right?
"I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team."
by sergioFTW on Dec 5, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched a season of Mike Cameron and knew he wasn't a valid clean-up hitter...
………………………. After watching a year and a quarter of Sergio, I know he’s not the long-term PG answer.
Is Rex? Can’t say.
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by timbo on Dec 5, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm seeing Sergio
is without a doubt a better passer than Blake. I’m seeing that his defense has taken a major step forward, and is perhaps comparable with Blake. He’s getting more steals and rebounds (much higher per minute than Blake on both, not even close), which tells me he’s more of a hawk for loose balls than Blake. He is better running the break than Blake, and better at connecting with Rudy.
I’m seeing three main areas where he falls short of Blake — overall shooting, 3 point shooting, and instincts for running the offense alongside Roy. The first is still a weakness, but the second has improved dramatically, which indicates to me that the first will as well. Sergio is still just a kid, in NBA terms. If he shoots 35% from 3 this year, I see him reaching the 38-40% range this year or next. And a guy who can do that just needs to learn shot selection to bump up his 2 pt percentage.
You and I agree, timbo, that Bayless is our future starter, though we aren’t necessarily agreed on how soon that happens. But if Jerryd is the starter, then who do we want at the point on the second team, running the break, finding Rudy, making steals and grabbing loose balls to start the fast break, etc?
I think Sergio is arguably already this year, even without any further improvement, a better PG for our second unit than Steve is. He’d flop as a starter, he’s not ready for that (though that day may come). But if Steve loses his starting job to Jerryd, he’s our third PG, I think, not our second.
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by jscot on Dec 5, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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