2010 Free Agency - Worth sacrificing for, or not?
After doing some number crunching today (spare time), I found it possible for the first time, that we might have enough money to sign a max contract FA during the summer of 2010. Before, I thought it was an impossibility, given the fact we have to sign both LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy to max deals. Today I did the math, and found out with a single basic trade (Przybilla for a $6 million expring contract), we could be in position to get one of the 2010 max contract FA's. This situation also assumes, we don't add anyone else to our salary for the 2010 season. We could also sign our 1st round picks for both the 2009 and 2010 drafts (so long as we're in the 20's) and still have room for the 2010 FA.
Here are the players we'd have around for 2010 and their contracts (In Millions)
- Brandon Roy (13.7)
- LaMarcus Aldridge (13.7)
- Greg Oden (6.8)
- Martell Webster (4.8)
- Jerryd Bayless (2.3)
- Rudy Fernandez (1.2)
- Nicolas Batum (1.2)
- 2009 1st Round Pick (1.2)
- 2010 1st Round Pick (1.2)
That puts us at $46.7 million for the 2010 season and $18.3 million under that years expected salary cap. Just for reference, each player in that stellar draft class of 2003 can make up to $16.4 Million for the 2010 season (gradually increasing from there). The issue here isn't so much the player to get (obviously LeBron), but its if you want to sacrifice all of our leftovers for the chance to get one of the 2010 FA's. Just for arguments sake, lets say we go the other FA route, and decide to pull the trigger on Hedo Turkoglu this summer (after letting RLEC run out). If we went this route, we'd be able to keep Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye (again just for arguments sake we give him what we gave Martell). We'd have one of, if not the deepest teams in NBA history.
PG: Blake / Sergio / Bayless
SG: Roy / Rudy
SF: Hedo / Martell / Batum
PF: Aldridge / Outlaw / Frye
C: Oden / Przy
We could have these players from that point going forward, making all sorts of trades and draft picks, but we probably wouldn't be able to make another signing above the Mid-Level Exception for the next 10 years. Everything would be static except for the draft picks and trades (KP is proven, I have no qualms with this).
In the other scenario, our 2009 summer would be much the same, only instead of being able to sign Hedo for the multiple year big dollar contract he'd want, we'd probably have to settle on a guy willing to come here for $15-20 million dollars for 1 year as a hired gun (old dude that wants a Championship). In this scenario, again, we could pick up the options of Blake and Outlaw (Frye wouldn't sign a 1 year deal) and still have the leftover capital for that hired gun (Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, Mike Bibby). In this scenario lets run with Kidd (oldest specialty player at supposed position of need). In this scenario we seem just about as likely to win a Championship.
PG: Kidd / Blake / Sergio
SG: Roy / Rudy / Bayless
SF: Martell / Batum
PF: Aldridge / Outlaw
C: Oden / Przy
The difference of course, comes in how we proceed after that important summer of 2010. In one scenario we have Hedo, Blake, Outlaw, Przybilla, Sergio and Frye and in the other scenario we have one of the big names (LeBron, Wade, Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Nowitzki). The question then becomes how much depth is really needed in this league. Even if we go the 2010 route, and pick up Joe Johnson for instance, we'd still have our 2009 and 2010 draft picks, as well as possibly bringing over Koponen and Freeland for the tail end of the bench. So when all is said and done, if KP doesn't solve our problems through a trade this season, he's got two distinct options. I'll list what our A and B teams will look like, and I'd like to get some feedback on which team you'd all prefer going forward with in the long run.
Team A - 2009 Long Term FA w/ all current Blazers included (Players age in 2010)
PG: Blake (30) / Sergio (24) / Bayless (22) / Koponen (22)
SG: Roy (26) / Rudy (25)
SF: Martell (24) / Batum (21)
PF: Aldridge (25) / Outlaw (26) / Freeland (23)
C: Oden (22) / Przy (31)
Additions:
1 Long Term 2009 Free Agent: (Hedo Turkoglu (31), Lamar Odom (31), Shawn Marion (32), Ben Gordon (27))
2 1st Round Draft Picks (2009, 2010), 6 Total 2nd Rounders
Team B - 2010 Superstar FA w/o additional Blazers included
PG: Bayless (22) / Koponen (22)
SG: Roy (26) / Rudy (25)
SF: Martell (24) / Batum (21)
PF: Aldridge (25) / Freeland (23)
C: Oden (22)
Additions:
1 Long Term 2010 Free Agent: (LeBron (25), Wade (28), Amare (28), Bosh (26), Joe Johnson (29), Nowitzki (32))
2 1st Round Draft Picks (2009, 2010), 6 Total 2nd Rounders
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I'm too timid to believe you.
becuase I asked and asked if it was going to be possible to maintain the cap room until the 2010 free agent crop became available, and EVERYONE I talked to said it was not possible…..
without butchering our roster.
I’ll wait for the troops to storm this post but, I’m skeptical….
and why turkigloo? I mean if he’s the best we’re gonna do in 2009 then heck yes we should do what we can to trade for our guy. (dispite myself not really wanting to lose anyone of the current roster except for raef ike and shav.) (bayless too, but he’s a rook so he get’s a pass this season, but next season I’ll be on him like syrup on walffles.)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 5:30 AM PST
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the general talk I've heard has said no...
which is why I didn’t investigate it myself for so long. It is butchering the team to an extent (Blake, Sergio, Outlaw, Frye, Przy), but if it is LeBron that shows up, IMO that is the most no-brainer decision in the history of no-brainer decisions. The numbers work. I think a lot of what stopped me from looking into it further was looking at max contracts around the league. The problem with doing that, is there are plenty of guys that make 20+ million dollars per year, and assuming every one gets those #‘s. There is a limit based on how long you’ve been in the league on how much you can make. The 2003 draft class will make under 17 million dollars for the 2010 season. That might not seem like a big difference, but it was enough to make this thing an actual real life possibility.
I went with Hedo, because he seems like an automatic. He’s the guy that will be a FA, that we REALLY can get. I can say Boozer, but there isn’t a real life chance we get a guy like him, with his other options. Its not like Hedo’s a bum either, he’s currently a top 10 FA for this season IMO.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 5:43 AM PST
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BUT HE'S SO UGLY!!! (turkigloo)
LOL… lebron will do…..s/I guess/s :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on
Dec 4, 2008 5:48 AM PST
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That's why his momma named him "Hideo"...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on
Dec 4, 2008 8:39 AM PST
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You must have a lot of spare time on your hands ...
… to spend so much of it on such a useless exercise.
But as long as you enjoyed doing it, more power to you. It’s your time afterall.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 7:30 AM PST
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hold up
This is a pretty negative response for a post that actually had some time, effort, and thought put into it. There has been a lot of complaints about the negative tone of BE lately and these are the kind of responses that are both off putting and add nothing to the conversation. I can see being a bit caddy on some of the 2 line trade posts that have popped up, but it is not very cool to be caddy on a well written fanpost.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 10:04 AM PST
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Disagree, totally
I generally hate trade posts. In general, I like the team the way it is and I think most aging stars are way overpriced.
This post seems like thoughtful strategic thinking.
If your sarcasm font was on, my apologies. If you really think this is useless I would like to hear why?
by upper left corner on
Dec 4, 2008 10:22 AM PST
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That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on
Dec 5, 2008 12:18 PM PST
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That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on
Dec 5, 2008 12:22 PM PST
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It was meant as an observation, not a criticism.
If I had intended to criticize the guy, I might have said something to the effect of why take up BE space with stuff like this.
I have no problem with as11osu doing this. That’s why I said more power to him. I just thought it represented a lot of effort on something very ephemeral (sp?). Pretty much akin to doing a detailed analysis of weather patterns in the NW in order to pick what week two summers from now you plan to take your vacation at the beach. In either case, I’m impressed by the amount of time spent, but uncertain as to what effect it is for.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 2:32 PM PST
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Doesn't this comment characterize nearly every post on this site?
One could even argue that Dave spends far too much time running a—in the grand scheme—useless site. But we all spend time reading and writing here because we love the Blazers. And as11osu spent time writing this because he loves the Blazers.
Posts like this are the stealth booger of this site. They must go.
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by bfan on
Dec 5, 2008 1:39 PM PST
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I will plead mea culpa ...
… and apologize to as11osu.
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by timg56 on
Dec 5, 2008 2:53 PM PST
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Food for Thought
And what will we all say if the existing team takes us deep into the playoffs this year, and comes back stronger next year? What if Oden, Fernandez, Webster, and Batum keep getting better, and Roy/Oden turn into true stars? Fernandez and Batum may not be “superstars”, but they may be the perfect complements to Roy/LMA/Oden. Then what?
Other than the Blake/Sergio/Bayless question -(will Bayless be given playing time and become our combo PG w/Roy of the future) just what are we trying to solve here? A stronger bench may win as many games for us as that superstar.
This is all a little like playing pin the tail on the donkey right now. Futhermore, we have decisions we have to make this year that have nothing to do with 2010. We have to deal with LaFrentz and Frye and Diogu’s contracts with their potential cap holds now – not next year.
Granted, how KP sets that up could then deal us back into that superstar reality – but that list of players does not “solve” anything if we look at need. Granted, Lebron takes the SF position – freeing up Webster/Outlaw, but there are no PG’s available in either of those years that I could see KP having any great interest in. There’s Kidd and Nash on the downside going lower, but that temporary help is exactly what Dallas has tried – and it didn’t work. And, it’s also what Phoenix tried with Shaq, and that’s not working.
by Eben Calder on
Dec 4, 2008 7:37 AM PST
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Regular Season VS Playoffs
Although you’re right about our current unit going to through the rigors of the regular season, that has very little bearing on the future moves I’d make for this team. This team should have one goal in its future, and thats to win a Championship. You’ve got to build your team for the playoffs, meaning heavier minutes for your best players, and shorter benches. I think the better playoff team is the one that holds off on a FA until the 2010 season.
I did a minute distribution chart for the playoffs for each team.
Although these lineups seem uneven, through sheer volume on the 2009 team, when you think about come playoff time, when the minutes start to get distributed to your best players more heavily, I think I actually prefer the 2010 team.
Playoff Minute Distribution
2009 FA Team
Roy (40)
Aldridge (40)
Oden (36)
2009 FA (34)
Rudy (30)
Webster/Batum (30)
Blake/Bayless/Sergio (30)
2010 FA Team
2010 FA (40)
Roy (40)
Aldridge (40)
Oden (36)
Rudy (30)
Webster (18)
Batum (18)
Bayless (18)
When you get into the playoffs you don’t need to be 12 deep, or even 10 deep. I’d be perfectly cool to roll into the playoffs with that particular 8 man squad.
Also, if that FA were to be LeBron James, we’d have what could potentially be the best starting 5 to ever take the court together.
PG: Brandon Roy
SG: Rudy Fernandez
SF: LeBron James
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
C: Greg Oden
I would call that unit: Game Over
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 7:46 AM PST
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Besides a championship
why would a guy so focused on marketing want to go to a small market? Also, I think there may be an easier path to the finals through the east for the next few years and LeBron probably recognizes that. We may see some scenarios where west teams play so hard to get through the west that they are more gassed than an east team who could coast through nearly 2 rounds and we get some weaker teams winning the title (this is my unpopular opinion about what happened with the celtics this year.)
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 10:09 AM PST
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That West - East thing is no longer true...
take a look at the overall league standings… I think the East might actually be ahead right now.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 10:19 AM PST
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The east is still worse when it comes to the contenders (playoffs),
But overall they are obviously better.
by staylost on
Dec 4, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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That is a bit decieving
as when you are in the east you play the east more and thus you play weaker teams more often, which in turn boosts your record. Besides the Celtics your next best teams are Cavs and Magic, which just doesent compare to what you have out West.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 11:59 AM PST
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I agree a little on the Magic
But the Cavs are for real.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 12:03 PM PST
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maybe
I was just looking over their record and nothing pops out at me as a statement win to let everyone know they are great team. Their offense is less anemic, but I want to see them play some good teams at full strength.
Also, the basketball jones agrees that the west is the best and the east is merely not as bad as it used to be.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 5:13 PM PST
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I'd rather be in the West right now
As its stands now, if were in the East we’d have to go through the Pistons then the Cavs then the Celtics.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 5:17 PM PST
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you wouldnt have to go through
all 3. Also, the Pistons are not the Pistons of a few years ago. If you are in west the first round will at least feature teams with winning records. If you get a 1 or 2 seed do you want to face a team like the Hawks, Miami, or NJ or a team like the Mavs, Nuggets, or Blazers. Then it just gets tougher from there.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 7:07 PM PST
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Actually yeah
you wouldnt have to go through all 3. Also, the Pistons are not the Pistons of a few years ago. If you are in west the first round will at least feature teams with winning records
Right now we’d be the #3 seed in the East (as opposed to a #2 seed in the West), meaning we’d have home court against the #6 seed Pistons, then we’d be road bound against the Cavs, then road bound against the Celtics. That would be be far tougher than anything the West has to offer.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 7:12 PM PST
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that seems pretty apples and oranges
as we are not in the east. To stay on track we are talking about whether or not the east is stronger than the west. I still contend the east is not as strong. Look at the playoff rankings right now and argue that a top seed coming out of the east will have a tougher road than a team in the west.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 11:17 PM PST
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As I said below, I think this is an outstanding post and I rec'ed it. You have put your finger on the most important strategic question.....
…. going forward. That being said I am reluctant to “roll the dice” on your proposition.
What happens if we cut a bunch of players free and then LeBron goes elsewhere?
That seems like a huge risk.
I would be more inclined to take that risk is a top five PG, who I thought would be a good fit with BRoy. As it is I an reluctant…..
I am willing to hear your argument but I am very nervous……
by upper left corner on
Dec 4, 2008 10:42 AM PST
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Plenty of room on both sides of the debate if you ask me.
Its a risk, and you don’t necessarily have to take a risk with this team. Its really not a huge risk however, because worst case scenario would remain that you have have 20 million dollars in salary cap room for 2010, and the FA is ridiculous, even outside of the huge names.
Here’s the list:
http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2010/
Notice a couple attractive names on it, that aren’t superstars? Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Josh Howard, Carl Landry, Tyson Chandler, Andrei Kirilenko. If you ask me, even if you’re not among the crowd wanting a superstar, wouldn’t you rather be in 2010’s free agent crop with your 20 million dollars than the 2009 crop?
I also think 7 returning players from 2009 to 2010 is enough to keep the continuity. Especially since they’d be getting bigger minutes.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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Thanks for laying out your thoughts.....
Like I said, this is a huge strategic question. I wonder is KP has been contemplating this set of options. Losing Pryz would be a big hurt, but the potential upside, as you say, is ENORMOUS. The fact that Freeland and PK both seem to be evolving helps soften the blow of letting so many players go. Chemistry also seems like a huge variable. Letting the trade deadline pass w/o using RLEC seems like a pretty gutsy move. Then, if the current roster continues to play at a high level and advances in the playoffs it would be hard to justify taking the risk of cutting so many players loose…….
I have to go to work now. I will be contemplating and looking forward to further discussion. I hope your post makes the Rec list.
by upper left corner on
Dec 4, 2008 11:09 AM PST
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He isn't a guy you risk losing just to prove a piont
Aldridge is borderline right now, but he’s also just 23, and is clearly the second most important player on this team. When he’s not on the court, we’re actually worse off than we are when Brandon isn’t out there. He’s got such a broad skill set, and he’s the only player on the entire team, that we have a negative number when he’s not on the court. Its a pretty substantial negative number too.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 9:52 AM PST
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I agree strongly here
Aldridge is an outstanding defender and always warrents a defender on him. His position defense is great and even though I hope he becomes our #1 scorer, his defense is why I will never question him.
by staylost on
Dec 4, 2008 10:05 AM PST
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I don't want a 2010 superstar.
Everyone says that in the playoffs you shorten your rotation, but perhaps this is the team that uses its bench in the playoffs with good results.
by twggyy on
Dec 4, 2008 8:33 AM PST
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That isn't how you win in the playoffs.
All great players play 40+ minutes per game in the playoffs. There just aren’t any leftover minutes after great players get through. Don’t you want in our most important games of the year to have Brandon, LaMarcus, Greg and Rudy on the court for as long as you can? This kind of thing doesn’t become conventional wisdom by sucking. It sticks and people adopt what works. In the playoffs, short rotations, and heavy minutes for superstars works. Take a look at LBJ’s +/- numbers in the playoffs last year. In his 550 minutes on the court his team gained 66 points, in just his 72 minutes off the court his team lost well over half of that (38).
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 10:02 AM PST
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That is because
teams have a significant drop-off from starter to sub. That is the only reason.
If you don’t have that significant drop-off, you can use your depth to prevent fatigue, and induce fatigue in the other team if your backups come in and run, run, run, and move, move, move in the half-court offense.
Which would you rather have at the end of the game, a player who has played 40+ or a player who has played 32? You know which will have the extra step.
On this team, as currently constructed, we do not have a huge drop-off in talent at any position except PF and, arguably, SG (but if Rudy is hitting 3s, not there, either). The loss in talent is made up by fresher legs at the end of the game.
Perhaps the conventional wisdom is only true because no one has constructed a truly deep team.
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:08 AM PST
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thats not true
both the Lakers and Celtics were and are incredibly deep, and their superstars still logged major minutes. They also had rotations that consisted of 8 or 9 guys. Are you really trying to tell me in the playoffs you’d rather have Channing Frye logging that extra 5 or 6 minutes instead of LMA getting his 40? Or Sergio getting extended duty instead of Brandon getting his 40? Superstars play 40 in the playoffs, and its because it helps. The playoffs are also more half court oriented, so not as much running up and down, and each possession is more valuable (even more reasons for the shorter rotations/longer minutes).
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM PST
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The other factor is the longer turnaround
at least in the early rounds, you have a minimum of 2 to 3 days between games, whereas in the regular season you have to deal with back to backs, 3 games in 4 nights, and that kind of situation, so it’s a lot bigger deal for guys to log big minutes when they have less rest. Not as much in the playoffs.
by Royster on
Dec 4, 2008 10:20 AM PST
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That is definitely true
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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I said that PF was the one point we have significant dropoff
It’s not Sergio or Brandon. It’s Rudy or Brandon, and Sergio or Steve. If Rudy’s 3 ball is dropping, neither of those is a huge drop-off, and I would be glad to see 15 minutes out of the bench guy and only 33 for the starter.
As currently constructed, you would want LMA to get 40.
The playoffs are more half court oriented only because teams choose to play that way. The rules don’t change. I would love to have Kobe have to chase Rudy around for 10 minutes while Brandon is resting, with our second team running at every opportunity, and Rudy running of 15 picks on every half-court possession. There is no reason you can’t bring in a second unit with fresh legs and push the ball hard, and make the other team work really hard on defense.
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST
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There is no reason you can’t bring in a second unit with fresh legs and push the ball hard
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by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 10:59 AM PST
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What would be nice
Would be to get Przy and Greg used to playing together, and use them in a 3 big man rotation with LMA in the playoffs
(of course you still would need to add a 4th big man to back them up, someone who can rebound/bang in case of injury/foul trouble…)
by two4larue on
Dec 4, 2008 3:43 PM PST
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the last playoff team to use a 10-man rotation
consistently was the Hubie Brown/Mike Fratello Grizzlies. They have yet to win a playoff game.
by kickbrass on
Dec 5, 2008 1:46 PM PST
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I don't think a max free agent is in the cards for the Blazers in 2010 or any year...
………………….. This is a team that has been built internally, via the draft and a small number of careful trades. It is powered by youth, athleticism, team play, and chemistry. Going outside the core for an aging mercenary (the max deal unrestricteds are all older guys who are free agents because they’re chasing a huge payday) would screw up the works.
So UNLESS somebody like LeBron suddenly decided that the key to happiness was winning back-to-back championships with a first rate athletic team, I really don’t see it.
Far more likely that KP shimmies and shakes and bakes his myriad of draft picks into a Rudyesque new international player…
Far more likely that the bucks are committed to KEEPING the guys like Pryz who contribute rather than dumping salary to shoot the moon in 2010…
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by timbo on
Dec 4, 2008 8:37 AM PST
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+1
I can’t claim any special evaluation skills here, but what timbo says seems as obvious to me as the nose on timbo’s face. (I hear Cyrry is his knickname.)
It is why I’ve never quite understood the fascination with wanting to trade for this guy or that, or trying to out-Kevin Kevin Pritchard. I’m not slamming those who do. I just don’t understand it.
It is sort of the same as folks who start talking about the 2009 draft and who they think their team should select. For one, there are two many unknowns and for another, there is still most of this season to play. What if, for example, Martell comes back and shows he’s taken a giant step forward from last year? Or Steve Blake continues to shoot 3’s at the same percentage as last year? Or Channing or Bayless end up getting significant minutes due to an injury?
So I am not saying “Hey stupid!” “Pay attention to the road and quit daydreaming.” I’m saying “Experience and enjoy today.” “Tomorrow will come soon enough.”
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST
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I'm the closest thing we've got to KP among this boards fans...
I’ve correctly picked the same 1st round player as Pritchard with 7 out of our 9 first round picks the last 3 years.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 4:13 PM PST
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Since KP has stated
that he posts here sometimes, I doubt that you are the closest thing we’ve got to KP.
But who will we get this year?
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 4:42 PM PST
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That's pretty good.
I’m betting most mock draft boards don’t hit at that percentage.
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 4:58 PM PST
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Oustanding post ......
Instead of another stupid trade post, this is a bit of intelligent strategic thinking.
I need more time to think about this and I would like to see the math to be certain that your calcs are correct, but I salute you for your effort. I think there are risks either way. I am not sure I could make a decision until I see how Martell plays, and how Batum and Oden develop over the season.
Very thought provoking …..
by upper left corner on
Dec 4, 2008 8:47 AM PST
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Agreed
I don’t see us trying to wait until 2010, but this kind of thinking outside the box is excellent, and it appears it is something that could be done. I’ll be surprised if it happens, but it appears to be possible.
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:09 AM PST
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Here's the thing
We all know Brandon is great, and this is his team, he is the Alpha Dog and every team mate understands and accepts this. Brandon has already said he doesn’t want a PG like Chris Paul on the team because it would take the ball out of his hands too much.
The same can be said for LMA, he needs his touches to be effecitive on the court, one of the main reasons Batum is starting is so both Brandon and LMA could still get their touches. I also believe this is why Rudy will always come off the bench for Portland, this gives him the ability to establish his offense so later in the game he can be in rythem(sp?).
So with that in mind, if we aquire a big time FA like James, that upsets all of the Chemistry we have on this team. It would no longer be Roy’s team, as James is also an Alpha Dog, and you can’t have 2 in the house. Roy’s production would fall off the charts and James needs the ball to be effective as much as Roy does. The same can be said for LMA and even Rudy. Look at the Cleveland roster, it gets alot of crap, but all of those players do one thing really well, they play off playmakers. Besides Mo Williams, none of them excel at getting their own shot, they need James to help them get that open shot. This is the same thing Brandon does for the Blazers, so his skills would be duplicated, making him expendable.
Sure in a perfect world we could sign the dream team and win the next 15 championships, but this ain’t that world.
Instead lets see about signing a good roleplayer to help us win more games next year than we win this year, and get to the championship game. Someone to do what Mo Williams has done for Cleveland, or Posey for the Hornets. We have our stars, Roy, LMA, and Oden, let them grow and develope, Oden will soon be on par with Brandon, Think about that for a moment, what will this team look like once Oden regains his full athletic ability? This injury could have been the best thing for him, as he now has to learn footwork, and positioning to compete night in and night out. If he never had the micro, he would just be getting by on his athleticisim instead of learning how to be great. Once he his fully recovered and can put the footwork, positioning, and other fundamentals he learns this year with his limitless physical tools……wow, scary.
That is the Blazers future, not LBJ. We are the team that will keep him from ever winning his title.
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 4, 2008 8:56 AM PST
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Ha! I like that last line.
This team wasn’t assembled for the purpose of eventually being annointed by The King’s presence to usher him towards his HOF stats and a gold plated statue in front of the RG.
Instead it will be the asterisk by his eventual career stats that says:
Lebron James *
- would have won many titles, if it wasn’t for the emergence of the Portland Trailblazers.
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I probably expanded on that thought way too much. It made me smile though.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on
Dec 4, 2008 9:45 AM PST
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I liked it.
Almost the reverse of what Jordan did to Portland, Seattle and Utah.
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 2:52 PM PST
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Do you notice the difference there?
The BEST player took the better teams (arguably) out. LBJ is the best player. I’d rather have him on my side every night than play against him every night. WE should know better.
by as11osu on
Dec 5, 2008 4:53 PM PST
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My understanding of Mo Williams
is that he is there to be a guy to take pressure off of LeBron as he can create his own shot and specifically not be a guy who needs a playmaker, so he will be taking touches away from LeBron.
I dont know if you can say that you cant have 2 main guys on a team, I think it is probably more important that the 2 main guys have different skill sets, like Duncan and Parker/Ginobilli. That would not be the case with LeBron and Roy, but it does seem to be the case with LMA and Roy.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on
Dec 4, 2008 10:17 AM PST
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I agree about Williams
which is the point I was trying to make in my post. But do we really want to “Waste” Roy’s talent by turning him into Mo Williams by bringing in LBJ?
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 5, 2008 1:04 PM PST
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Playing like LBJ and Roy do in the 4th
is exhausting. If were able to keep that kind of play and that kind of talent on the court 48 minutes a game, we’d be the favorites right now. Brandon plays that way for 10-12 minutes per game, while LeBron probably does it for 14-18 minutes. If you play each of them separately for the 12-14 minutes the other player is off the floor, it makes this team much more efficient as a whole. Of course having them both on the court wouldn’t be a problem because both are completely unselfish, and they’re able to create problems (especially LBJ) even without the ball. Add in Rudy to that mix, diving in and out of screens, and we’d completely exhaust our opponent. The complaints to getting a guy like LBJ or LBJ himself aren’t winning. I think everyone and their mom understands that you’d be a better team if he were on it, the problem it seems to me, people are having is that they want to win with what they have now. The problem I have with that problem, is that making this team better, and better and better, should be the goal of the team. Championships, in the end, are by far the most important thing a franchise can achieve. LBJ IMO delivers 1 championship for every year he’d be on the team. I really believe that Game Over unit would be possibly the best in the history of the league.
PG: Roy, SG: Rudy, SF: LBJ, PF: LMA, C: Oden
by as11osu on
Dec 5, 2008 1:23 PM PST
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Since you asked
Option A
Superstars like LeBron leave teams destroyed in their wake.
We may win a championship (or three) but then we will just dive back down when he sees more money or gets old.
Jordan and Shaq were the same. Maybe I’m not seeing some counter examples, but even Drexler did that to us before.
That is why keeping Brandon the leader on this team is VERY important. He knows he is good, but he is not ego first.
by staylost on
Dec 4, 2008 9:25 AM PST
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Okay first off
no matter what, sign me up for 3 Championships. Secondly, even if LBJ did leave after that, we’d still have a 29 year old Brandon Roy, a 26 year old LaMarcus Aldridge a 25 year old Greg Oden and a 28 year old Rudy Fernandez. As far as Brandon goes, I’m sure he’d be very comfortable with multiple Championships no matter how they were derived. And again, in your scenario, he’d have plenty opportunity after LBJ left to get his 4th 5th and 6th titles. You don’t turn down players that make you win Championships. You suck it up, and make it work… and reap the benefits. Also, LBJ like Rudy, like Oden, like Roy is a supremely unselfish player. Thats part of the reason everyone is going to want to play with him in 2010. Hopefully thats also a reason he’d want to come here.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 9:33 AM PST
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I think LBJs
Comments on his future are enough to make me wary.
If you were right about his personality/drive you would be absolutely right.
I remain unconvinced about this:
“Also, LBJ like Rudy, like Oden, like Roy is a supremely unselfish player.”
Although I disagree that he would upset our game chemistry as much as others have suggested.
by staylost on
Dec 4, 2008 10:03 AM PST
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Let me be clear here... I'm not saying do the 2010 thing
But if for some reason you know you’d get him, you can’t not do the LeBron thing.
LBJ has the highest assist per minute rate of any forward in the entire league by over an assist per 48. If you’ve watched the Cav’s and LeBron at all, you’d know he IS unselfish, occasionally to a fault (remember Barkley ripping him for passing to a wide open Donyell Marshall, instead of going 2 on 1 towards the hoop?).
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 10:12 AM PST
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Your assist/minute stat seems irrelevent since
No forward handles the ball as much as him.
I don’t disagree with his decision to pass so that isn’t to convincing to me personally either.
But maybe I should watch him more carefully.
Or maybe I’m just subconciously hating on the chalk dance.
by staylost on
Dec 4, 2008 10:53 AM PST
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Great Post
I actually posted this possibility (think it was in a thread someone started about getting LBJ) about a month ago, detailing out the numbers of how we could get/keep cap space for that summer.
My ending point then, as it is now, is that we would essentially be taking a big risk by essentaially letting a bunch of current assets in the hopes we can sign LeBron or another top guy, but if we don’t, we have significantly weakened our team. Although that was before Martel’s extension and Batum’s development, so it seems like a less risky propositioin now.
Worse case – you don’t sign a big name guy, but you still have the space to sign a bunch of veteran role players to stick around the nucleus listed in the OP.
In the meantime, you can easily play out 09/10 with the current roster, minus Ike/Frye, and end up exactly where you indicate.
If I was GM, I’d do it. Maybe this is KP’s ultimate deceptions. He’s got us all focused on 2009 all along, but maybe this is the secret backdoor plan.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on
Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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Here’s the 2010 FA list:
http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2010/
Notice a couple attractive names on it, that aren’t superstars? Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Josh Howard, Carl Landry, Tyson Chandler, Andrei Kirilenko. If you ask me, even if you’re not among the crowd wanting a superstar, wouldn’t you rather be in 2010’s free agent crop with your 20 million dollars than the 2009 crop?
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 11:47 AM PST
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yes, absolutely
I actually think this idea is getting less and less risky all the time. Assume the following:
1) We let RLEC expire at year’s end (or move him for someone else who expires by 2010 – doesn’t matter which
2) We add NO contracts that go past summer 2010, other than A) rookies, or B) LMA/BRoy extensions.
3) We keep Steve and Travis for the final year of their contracts (09/10 for each)
4) We let Channing and Ike walk away
Our 09/10 roster is essentially the same as now, minus the backup 4s mentioned above. We get a new cheap backup 4 in the draft or on a 1 year contract. Then, summer 2010, if we want to clear room, then Outlaw and Blake can be renounced, we can clear Sergio’s 4.6 cap hold by not offering him a QO. Assuming we have a couple of late 1st round picks at around $1 million each, then our cap is sitting at around $53.5 million, or about $10 mill under. And that’s with this roster under contract:
Oden, Joel
LMA
Martel, Batum
Roy, Rudy
Bayless
plus 2 as yet unkown draft picks, 1 of whom will have a year experience, plus the rights to Freeland and PetKo. If Joel opts out, add $7.4 to the capspace.
Whether it’s $10 mill or 17 million, we could do some serious shopping, and that roster is still looking darn good. How about a point guard?
Also, keep in mind that renouncing bird rights on Steve or Travis, or not offering Sergio a QO doesn’t mean we can’t sign them later if we wanted to, we just have to use cap space or another excpetion to do so (such as the MLE or biannual)
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on
Dec 4, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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Re: shopping for a PG in 2010
There is only one name on that FA list (maybe two) that would be worth going after – Tony Parker (w/ TJ Ford being the maybe).
Anyone want to give odds on Parker actually being a FA in 2010? Off the top of my head, 50 – 50 at best.. He might want to try the market, but SA can offer him the most and he’s their top under 30 asset. In fact 50% is probably being very optimistic.
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 3:03 PM PST
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If you want TJ Ford, we can trade for Conley (or wait for 2010). Same player, less injury risk.
by Norsktroll on
Dec 4, 2008 3:28 PM PST
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I don't want him. Or Conley.
The only PG not currently a Blazer (and not a remote possibility for acquiring) that I might be interested in is Sessions. And right now I’m not really interested in getting him. I happen to like Blake and Rodriguez coming off the bench has been exhibiting good results.
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 4:02 PM PST
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LaMarcus Aldridge does NOT deserve a maximum-level contract extension next year.
by AK1984 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:07 PM PST
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Aldridge is borderline right now, but he’s also just 23, and is clearly the second most important player on this team. When he’s not on the court, we’re actually worse off than we are when Brandon isn’t out there. He’s got such a broad skill set, and he’s the only player on the entire team, that we have a negative number when he’s not on the court. Its a pretty substantial negative number too.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 12:15 PM PST
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Regarding LaMarcus Aldridge, I attribute his extremely large on-court/off-court +/- production on ...
the offensive futility of his two main backups, Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw, who’ve been a major hindrance to the Portland Trail Blazers this season. Indeed, Aldridge should thank those two for their ineptitude on that end of the court; otherwise, he wouldn’t be posting +17.3 net points scored per 100 possessions or an on-court/off-court +/- production stat line of +12.3.
by AK1984 on
Dec 4, 2008 12:40 PM PST
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LMA will be handsomely paid, rest assured. Whether it's a "max" deal or not is moot -- it will be lots and lots and lots of money...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on
Dec 4, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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When looking at statistics for Aldridge...
… I liked the one jakesnake posted. Correlating Blazer wins to LaMarcus’ FG %.
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 3:05 PM PST
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He isn't a guy you risk losing just to prove a point
Aldridge is borderline right now, but he’s also just 23, and is clearly the second most important player on this team. When he’s not on the court, we’re actually worse off than we are when Brandon isn’t out there. He’s got such a broad skill set, and he’s the only player on the entire team, that we have a negative number when he’s not on the court. Its a pretty substantial negative number too.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 12:15 PM PST
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During the next off-season, I'd offer LaMarcus Aldridge a five-year, $55,000,000 contract extension, ...
with a non-escalating salary, an early termination option for the final season, and a 15% trade kicker.
That seems like fair value, y’know.
by AK1984 on
Dec 4, 2008 1:29 PM PST
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He's the second best overall player in his draft class...
he could do better on the open market (everybody these days is saving their cap space (the years he’s a FA is 2010).
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 1:42 PM PST
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if we let him get to the open market
some team would offer the max max, and we’ll have to match that. If you’re going to undercut him, do it gently. Maybe 75 million instead of 85 million.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 1:43 PM PST
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On point, I’ll refer to my comment in the last post, we don’t need LBJ, Kobe, Wade, or Bosh, infact they would hurt this team more than help it.
Seriously? Getting 1 of the 4 best players in the game would hurt us as a team? I’m growing fed up with stupid Blazer homers. Guess what… LBJ > B-Roy. Thats the flat out truth. Those of us that don’t just watch Blazer games know it. The fact that people around these parts would rather lose with what they got, then win a Championship using the tools all NBA teams have (signing FA’s) is beyond ridiculous. When will people around here get brains enough to see the obvious upgrades a team can make.
LeBron would cost us Blake, Sergio, Outlaw, Frye and Przybilla… and guess what.. all 30 NBA Gm’s would take LeBron. Its a no contest. And that’s without a supporting cast. Take a look with what we’d be left with after 2010.
Positions: Player (Minutes Per Game, Age in 2010)
PG: Brandon Roy (36 minutes, 26 years old) / Jerryd Bayless (12 minutes, 22 years) / Petteri Koponen (0 minutes, 22 years)
SG: Rudy Fernandez (32 minutes, 25 years) / Martell Webster (12 minutes, 23 years) Jerryd Bayless (4 minutes, 22 years)
SF: LeBron James (12 minutes, 25 years) / Nicolas Batum (24 minutes, 21 years) Martell Webster (12 minutes, 23 years)
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge (24 minutes, 25 years) / LeBron James 24 minutes, 25 years) / Joel Freeland (0 minutes (23 years)
C: Greg Oden (36 minutes, 22 years) / LaMarcus Aldridge (12 minutes, 25 years)
Also, we’d have our 2009 1st round draft pick our 2010 first round draft pick, and 6 2nd round picks over the next 2 years to make things happen.
Lebron James (36 minutes)
Brandon Roy (36 minutes)
Greg Oden (36 minutes)
Lamarcus Aldridge (36 minutes)
Rudy Fernandez (32 minutes)
Martell Webster (24 minutes)
Nicolas Batum (24 minutes)
Jerryd Bayless (16 minutes)
No one is getting too many minutes, and we could still divvy up minutes to those other 1st round picks, if need be. This is the best possible team IMO that we could have by the 2010 season. The Game Over crew of Roy, Rudy, LBJ, Aldridge and Oden would be as unstoppable a lineup that has been in the NBA for quite some time (if ever).
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 4:37 PM PST
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No need to flame people
Seems to be getting to be a habit with you.
People who disagree with you aren’t necessarily “stupid”, and they aren’t necessarily “homers”. They might just think that the talent upgrade will be overcome by damage to chemistry.
Think they are wrong? Fine, make the point. “Get brains” is beneath you. You have enough brains to make your point without flaming people who disagree. If you are getting “fed up” with “stupid people”, you’d better get a life, because people who disagree with you are going to be an affliction you are going to have to put up with for the rest of your life.
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 4:50 PM PST
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Ya...
too often I’m the message board jerk. I try to muddle the jerkiness with facts and evidence, but somehow all the ends up shining through is jerk.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 5:04 PM PST
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Nope
The facts and evidence shine through, too. That’s why I said the flaming is beneath you. You don’t need it.
Take 3 breaths and two gulps of coffee before every post, and ask yourself, “Is the jerk going to shine through again?” If so, rework.
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:41 PM PST
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I have a different take than jscot.
You see, I don’t care that much if someone calls me stupid or an idiot. I know I’m not one (most of the time) and when I go and do something stupid, well, I figure it is appropriate to be called stupid.
Where I find fault with you argument is in it’s basic premise. That Portland could acquire LeBron James for the cost of Blake, Sergio, Outlaw, Frye and Przybilla. Now that is what I would call “interesting” thinking. Definately outside the box. (See, no reference to idiotic. I want to stay on jscot’s good side. I’m angling for a job and so far Tom is my only serious competition.)
If I have it right, you are saying we would trade those guys for James, just allow them to expire and use the cap space to sign him. I see two critical flaws with that reasoning. The first has already been mentioned above – the low probability of LeBron wanting to play in Portland rather than NY or LA. The second has to do with dollars. In today’s Truehoop there was a mention about the net worth of the Cav’s and how having James on the roster might account for a $200 million increase. That’s the sort of leverage that can have him asking for the moon. Without checking out one of the CBA sites to see what the most a team can offer him, I would think it would be at least the $17 + million he’s due to get from the Cav’s if he doesn’t. Why else opt out?
I believe the answer to that last question is that the CBA is expiring. There is a possibility that LeBron could get more than $17 mil for 2010. If he can, Portland would have cleared cap space and still not have enough to get in the game. If the rules don’t change, what does Portland offer that NY doesn’t? Multiple championships you say? More so than a revamped Knicks team that has added Amare Stoudimire or Chris Bosh? Remember that Michael Jordan’s basketball salary was pocket change to what he earned in marketing income. That’s what James has his eye on. And if he can take a Cav’s team to the Finals at least once and almost there a second time, he has every reason to believe that with their financial resources, the Knicks will do their best to surround him with enough talent.
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by timg56 on
Dec 4, 2008 5:23 PM PST
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I understand the negatives as much as anyone, in fact I brought a lot of it up.
First off, I understand the likelihood of that player actually turning out to be LeBron if we got the cap space would be 10%ish. But the likelihood of us getting a star player that fits a need and is somewhat young IMO would be rather high. I believe Tony Parker, Joe Johnson, Tayshaun Prince or Carl Landry could all be very realistic possibilities for us. Also, regardless of the situation, keeping all those guys is going to be overkill in the first place. Lets take a look at that Team A box again (minutes/game).
PG: Blake (34) / Sergio (14) / Bayless (?) / Koponen (?)
SG: Roy (34) / Rudy (14) / 1st Round Pick (?)
SF: Hedo (34) / Martell (14) / Batum (?)
PF: Aldridge (34) / Outlaw (14) / Frye (?) / Freeland (?)
C: Oden (34) / Przy (14) / 1st Round Pick (?)
That would just be a complete overkill on depth. As you can see there, there are already 3 players overkill, that wouldn’t even warrant minutes in that scenario. You get rid of 0 minutes with the first 3 players you lose. Frye, Sergio (Bayless takes his minutes) and Outlaw are gone, without effecting in a single noticeable way the depth of the team. The next 3 are a little harder, but each of them being a backup, we’ll take 42 minutes away from them. Those players would be Blake, Przybilla and Hedo. In return for those 42 minutes we’d get 36 minutes of a superstar, or perhaps just a star, that fits our team to a T. Then with the extra 6 minutes divide it up amongst the remaining 3 bench players (Bayless, Batum and Webster).
Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Rudy and Player X all get 34 minutes. You then divide up the remaining 70 minutes among our 3 young guns (23 minutes each), Batum, Bayless and Webster. If you still don’t think thats enough depth, the 1st round picks would be available to go, as would numerous veteran players wanting to win a ring (P.J. Brown, Robert Horry, James Posey etc). I really believe this would be the best use our assets for the long hall.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 6:38 PM PST
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I don't want to take away from your enjoyment of extrapolating ...
… what some future Blazer team might look like.
I just see big holes in most of the arguments that people put forth. Most of those are due to making assumptions about unknowns. For example:
1) The crunch for minutes you allude too.
Without getting into the debate of whether or not a team can have too many players or not – the lineup you project may or may not come about. Turkoglu isn’t a Blazer. That’s assumption 1. Why sign him when we have Webster and Batum? Koponen and Freeland are no certainty to be with Portland in 2 years. In fact it’s almost certain that Koponen won’t. That’s assumption 2. The draft picks can be traded or Pritchard could select players overseas. And if the current level of play continues (or improves) those picks are likely to be in the bottom third of the draft. No big deal if they don’t make the team.
A more accurate projection would be this: ( I left your projected minutes in)
PG: Blake (34) / Sergio (14) / Bayless (?)
SG: Roy (34) / Rudy (14)
SF: Martell (34) / Batum (14)
PF: Aldridge (34) / Outlaw (14) / Frye (?)
C: Oden (34) / Przy (14)
Sure, a couple of those guys will likely not be there in 2010. But then again, they all could be.
2) The availability of top grade FA’s:
Just because they will or can be FA’s in 2010, doesn’t mean they will be available. Take Parker for example. He looks (on paper) like he’d be an excellent addition to the Blazers. But what is the likelihood of his being available? The Spurs are going to want to lock him up. They can offer him the best deal. Duncan should still be one of the best low post players and George Hill is proving that the Spurs brain trust is still alive and kicking. I wouldn’t bet anything I value that he signs with another team. The same holds true with most of the other names you list. They either can get more money from their own team or there are other teams that can offer as much as Portland and where they can be the top dog. (Which brings me to my final point.)
It is my opinion that far too much weight is given to the argument that top players are going to want to come to Portland in order to win multiple championships. The theory ignores too facts.
The first is player egos. Players at the top of their profession usually believe very strongly in their own abilities. That translates into them thinking that they are good enough to carry a team into the playoffs and to a title. It’s unlikely they are saying to themselves that they want to be a role player in order to win it all. This would apply to even top notch veteran players looking for their ring. They might be willing to come off the bench, but they’d want significant minutes. Don’t be fooled by the example of Malone and Payton with LA. Both of those guys got major minutes.
The only way Portland could attract a major caliber FA is if the guys currently playing the position are gone. Wade or Joe Johnson – say goodbye to Brandon. Amare, Bosh, Dirk – bye bye LaMarcus. It comes down to possibly adding a SF or PG. I’ve already pointed out that the only FA PG that is a sure upgrade is Parker. And he’s unlikely to be available come 2010. Is it worth all this time to figure out that TJ Ford is the guy Portland has to concentrate on getting?
What about SF you might say. What about it. Sure, I love guys like Prince and Josh Howard. But considering everything else on this Blazer team, do they bring a level of improvement over Webster and Batum that is worth spending $10 million or more a year for? In my opinion, that is a very hard argument to make.
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by timg56 on
Dec 5, 2008 7:20 AM PST
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It is... but the season after 2010
I believe the answer to that last question is that the CBA is expiring.
Players can ask for whatever they want, but the NBA has a max salary, which is why it really comes down to team. We’d be on 1/2 of the short lists because we can offer both a max contract and a very very good shot at an NBA Championship. I’m sure we’d be a very attractive team to a guy like Tony Parker, that loves to win, and will be out of practice, after what will have been 2 straight disappointing seasons by the Spurs. That is of course if LeBron didn’t come a knockin first.
by as11osu on
Dec 4, 2008 6:49 PM PST
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Oh
Was it timg56 you were calling stupid? Well, that’s a little different.
Actually, it isn’t. Not even him.
It is legitimate, if borderline behavior and almost never necessary, to call an argument stupid. It isn’t appropriate to call the person stupid.
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by jscot on
Dec 4, 2008 10:43 PM PST
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Thanks for having my back jscot.
I think.
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by timg56 on
Dec 5, 2008 7:40 AM PST
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When a Scot has your back
Expect the knife to be twisted after it goes in.
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by jscot on
Dec 5, 2008 2:43 PM PST
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Campbell's are Scots, are they not?
My materiarchical (sp?) lineage goes back to Campbell at my great – grandmother. She married an Englishman however (Townsend).
I’m pure Slovene on my Dad’s side.
And wouldn’t that be a dirk?
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by timg56 on
Dec 5, 2008 2:51 PM PST
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Usually when talking about a back-stab
people just say “knife”, because it could be any kind of knife.
You’re a Campbell? They know more about back-stabbing than anyone. Ask the MacDonalds of Glencoe.
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by jscot on
Dec 5, 2008 11:16 PM PST
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I must not have inherited than gene.
I prefer to set up with a scoped rifle or better yet, the MG and greet them as they come towards me.
If it’s to be a blade, facing them with a sword is fine. I think I still remember most of the techniques from my days fencing.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on
Dec 6, 2008 11:41 AM PST
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First of all
Why would James be only playing 12 mins? That is just weird.
Second, you are making a ton of assumtions(sp?) like Rudy, Roy and James being able to start and play together. That starting line up you gave is like a fantasy line up, 5 guys who can score, (eventually Greg will) but all 5 of them need the ball to do so. Unless at least 2 of them are willing to take a back seat and focus on Defense like the US Olympic team did this summer it won’t work. So we can make more assumptions and say both Greg and Roy would be willing to do so possibly, but again that is asking lot, and ideally James may be better suited to play the defensive stopper role, more than Roy, if that was the case do we think he would accept that? I don’t think he would, and I don’t think Roy would either.
by usmcr3049 on
Dec 5, 2008 2:35 PM PST
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I wasn't talking about James playing just 12 minutes...
Assuming over the course of a season LeBron and Roy both play 36 minutes a game, that leaves 12 minutes that Roy could be in there without LBJ and 12 minutes with LBJ in there without Roy. Meaning, the team as a whole, would have 0 lull minutes during a game. The problem with your argument that assumes everyone on the team needs to score ignores a big fact about 4 of those 5 guys. Roy, Rudy, LBJ and Oden are all good to very good passers for their positions. And LaMarcus probably wouldn’t get the ball unless he was wide open anyways. The other problem with what you’re saying is scorers need a different mentality to play defense. Did you notice last year when the Celtics played… they all play defense. Then they have their roles on offense. So long as our players know how to play team defense (which they all do), we’ll have a good defense. The fact that you don’t think that defense would be good, is beyond me. Greg Oden by himself equals good defense. If you’ve noticed in the last couple years in big games LBJ can also be a great defender (remember the game last year when he shut down Roy in the 4th quarter?). Roy also, if he didn’t have to shoulder ALL of the 4th quarter burden, could be a very good defender as well (do you remember what he did to Joe Johnson and Josh Smith last year?). LMA is a solid versatile defender, that fits in well playing next to GO.
by as11osu on
Dec 5, 2008 5:02 PM PST
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I was thinking about this exact thing just now,
and I believe the important value of this is perspective is not to sign a big time FA (although that is a major perk), but to dissuade the thousands of trade posts that flood the site right now. If KP doesn’t like how the team looks at the end of this season and next season, then he has all the options for restructuring the franchise as needed in 2010. The biggest thing is that FA signings in 2010 won’t affect our ability to resign Oden or Rudy since they aren’t RFA’s till 2011 offseason, which means KP can play with the rest of the roster (minus Webster) as he sees fit to get the ideal collection of players he feels will keep Portland in title contention for years. That is the real benefit of having all of our young talent, as it allows KP to correct the course of the franchise in 2010 if needed. It’s almost like playing a videogame and you come across one of those vials that can be used for anything. If you’re about to die, you can get boosted back to full health. And if you are already at full health, it will unlock some super power or something..
by premthegrem on
Dec 4, 2008 4:39 PM PST
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there is another way
We can trade RLEC for a 2010-expiring superstar. If Bosh sends signals that he’s planning on ditching Toronto, we could take advantage and them RLEC, Sergio and LMA or something for Bosh. Henry Abbot posted this kind of scenario on TrueHoop a few days ago using LBJ as the example:
by kickbrass on
Dec 5, 2008 1:59 PM PST
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No need to trade RLEC for a 2010 EC
If we don’t use the cap space for a player we want, we will have cap space and can trade for Bosh without worrying about salary matching.
But you only trade for Bosh if he’s extending, you don’t want to rent him for one season at the cost of a lot of talented players.
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by jscot on
Dec 5, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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I would rather we sign Rondo after this season.
Then use the bird rights on our stars to resign + Sergio if KP deems contract worthy.
I want Rajon Rondo
by TheGreatDane17 on
Dec 5, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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