Outlaw's Potential Value

probably a player near their 30th birthday, but if we package multiple players (which is the most likely scenario should we make a trade), it wouldn’t surprise me to see us get a solid starter in return

He is great off the bench.

If we were to trade him I would expect something really good. Otherwise we are just kicking ourselves in the foot.

I’m talking at least a starter.

At this point, trading Travis will be addition by subtraction…

Just like the Z-Bo deal, and just like the Jarrett Jack deal.

Name any player one for one that is reasonable that would be better for the blazers.
I am so flabbergasted as to why we drop our best 3pt shooter just like that. He is worth a ton even if he just sat in the corner and waited for passes so he could drain open threes. Except he is even more than that!

I keep coming back to it as what entices a LeBron-chasing team to give up a borderline all-star for the RLEC.

Give up a good (but highly paid) player, get back 2010 cap room to chase that free agent class . . . not enough.
Throw in Trout for $5mil a year? Doable.

So I’m not sure how to equate that on a stand-alone basis.

it is not worth it

He’s worth a good starter, but Portland doesn’t need a starter, so basically I agree with what Quality Pie said.

First off I understand that Travis may have the highest trade value among our tradeable assets, but what we have to do is look at what the difference between what Martell and Travis may bring and what Martell and Travis bring TO the team.

Yes some will freak out at Travis’ “crazy” fadeaway jumpers but the statistics show that even though it looks bad, this year Travis has a .500 efg% good for 6th on the team and ahead of Roy, Oden and Aldridge, so even though it does not look good it is effective.

“Well his PER is below the league average” well ok he is right around 15, the league average and his career per is 14.9 so by that definition Travis is an average player.

Webster by comparison had a 12 per last year compared to Travis’ 15.7.

If we look at this years PER Travis is still at 14.9 and is better than Richard Jefferson, Thad Young, Jeff Green and Peja’s and close to Stephen Jackson, Hedo, and Thorton.

Now if Webster brought his 12 per to this season, he would be around players such as Kleiza, Jared Dudley ,Quentin Richardson, Jarvis Hayes, and rookie Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&qual=true&pos=sf&seasonType=2&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics3fsort3dper26qual3dtrue26pos3dsf26seasonType3d2

Notice Batum, our starter, has the highest per of any Blazer sf in a long time and we are going to sit a 16 and 15 per/game player for one who has a career average of 12?

The only way i would do that is if I got a comparable increase in our pg per, as in I am ok losing 3 on our sf per ONLY if we trade for a starting pg that has a +3 per over Blake. Blake is at about 15 right now so that would mean the starting pg would have to have a per of 18 (Webster 12 and PG1 18= 30 compared to Travis15 and Blake 15=30)

Here is a list of pgs that have an 18 per

Nash=18.87
Rondo=18.73
Calderon=18.16
Nate Robinson=17.88
Kidd=17.86

now 4 of those are close to untouchable and why would we want Nate Robinson? If we can get one of those pgs for Outlaw and RLEC then I am all for it but we are not going to get one of those guys save for a miracle.

Some may say that Webster has a lower per due to the fact that he plays against the starters and Travis plays against backups. Well ok that may be true for a while but lets take a closer look at the situation.

True Webster does start and play against the starters at the beginning of the game, but Travis plays the end of the game once the players are heated up and ready to go, having an entire game to get into rhythm, making that point moot.

Some may point out that “Webster plays better with the team and he plays within the team game,” yet Nate has enough trust in him to let him play when the game is on the line and even call the final play for him as in the Atl case and he nailed it FTW.

“Well Webster is still a better 3pt shooter!” Up until this season, you could say that, but in fact Travis is on pace to hit as many 3pters as Webster did all last season while taking far less.

“OK well he brings D better than Travis”, well that is debatable but this is not, Batum is a better defender than Webster will ever dream to be and we can all agree with that and that is why has has an invaluable place on this team.

Travis did make some noise in the summer about wanting to be a starter someday but around friends and family, it is always fun to think of what may be, the only unfortunate thing is that Jason Quick was there taking down everything he was saying. He has been here when the losses piled up and this is his first taste of winning he has had, sure he could go and be a starter on say OKC or Mem but with our crowd, atmosphere and the chance to be an integral part on a championship team would be enough for anyone who had to go through the J*ilblazers past of losing, He will be fine as a backup sf/pf and we need to remember that titles here do not mean a whole lot and just because Batum or Blake are starting means that they are the best overall, but rather the best fit.

If we can get Nash, Calderon or even Kidd for a combo of Outlaw and someone else then go for it but it should be nothing short of one of those players to take that big of a hit in talent. HE IS NOT A ZACH CASE and in fact he is the exact opposite, humble, quiet and one of the most popular players on the team. We need to recognize that and embrace that. If you read this all you are a trooper cause I was feeling inspired, blah, blah blah, yakkidy-schmakkidy.

Look I view Batum as the starting sf for this team now and in the future and travis will be the backup sf/pf and switch back and forth, unfortunately this will mean an end to the Frye era which will be sad as he is a great guy. Webster seems to be the odd man out and i am interested in what other people see in him. On the offensive side he is not better than Outlaw and on the defensive side he is not better than Batum. Where does he fit on this team? I dont think he does.

if they are a cohesive group of fun guys who love to hang out with each other and work with each other to make each other better, and sacrifice their own personal interest in favor of the team.

And that’s what I’ve been led to believe by every report I can voraciously get my hands on. – Elgin.

Either a good prospect or a quality starter

I think Travis is well thought of around the league and could bring back a high level role player if traded, or a young prospect with good quality.

I saw some games last year, but wasn’t as fanatical as I am now. Is Martell ALOT better than Travis? Or do they just sorta negate eachother?