Rudy needs to go
by R26 on Dec 28, 2008 4:29 PM PST
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PrintI'm sure most of you have realized it by now that it seems like his team mates don't like/hate him and whenever he plays with the first unit in the 4th quarter he doesn't touch the ball so it's almost as if the Blazers are playing 4 v 5 and completely ignoring him.
It's evident even with the second unit, about 80% of his points come from assists from Sergio and with the high possibility of him leaving, Rudy will have to take even less shots.
He really doesn't fit in Nate's system and is a waste having him on the bench, both the Blazers and Rudy would be better off separated, I'm sorry but I don't think he has a future in Portland.
What do you think?
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Please, no one waste your time on this post
He joined BE at 4 pm and posted this all of 30 minutes later.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
no it doesnt
what makes it not true is the pure idiocy of it.
get rid of one of the most promising rookies in the NBA right in the middle of his rookie campaign because he is going through a rough patch.
read that sentence, realize how unbelievably stupid of an idea it is, and then realize it is what you just proposed.
good day sir.
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
Rudy #3 Rookie PER - not counting last nights game.
It doesn’t matter how many comments this pulls in – it should pull in a few, couse he’s tying to get your goat. It’s the rec’s that I have questions about.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
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by Blazer1342 on Dec 29, 2008 2:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I’m just a guy who doesn’t know anything
‘cause I got ZERO recs on my first post.
What’s a first time poster gotta do to get a rec: Fire Nate, Oden is a bust,Roys sucks
But in my uneducated BBIQ analysis, I don’t see how a Rook can get to #3 in PER if he doesn’t fit in!!!
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
We should have drafted JJ Hixson and Maurice Spates, I guess
if you go by that measure.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 29, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
It may not be a perfect measure but it does have some merit.
Speights has 15 minutes a game, Hickson has 7.7, when they up their numbers to to what Rudy has (26) things will shake out a little more where supposed to be.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
agreed ignore
the Troll please!
by The Natural ala Mode on Dec 28, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Give him a chance
I don’t agree with his argument on its merits, but I’m not going to rest on the “he just joined BE” argument either.
Rudy is young. He definitely plays better with Sergio handling the ball, not B Roy. In a couple years he’ll be Manu and Roy will be Parker and will be winning titles.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 28, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ehhhh
The combination of just joining, making a short post that is the opposite of what 99% of Blazer fans would say and the matter of fact way he talks about both Rudy and Sergio just screams troll to me. Plus it’s just bad form to make your first post about getting rid of a beloved player no matter who you are.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
I'll I can say is you tried.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
my thoughts exactly.
With that being said, we should totally deal Bayless. That guy is gutter trash.
Rip City REVIVAL
He will be fine
All Rudy need to do is get a full offseason of work in and work on his inside the arc shooting. After he gets that down he will be one of the more dynamic sophmores because defenders will have to start backing off of him because he can already drive well enough, so that will open up his 3pt shot a lot (which he shoots 41% and everyone knows thats mostly his only weapon). He will be a fine player for years to come.
darn rooks
I think if we package him with J-Bay, that crazy french dude and that center that looks like he came from Easter Island, we could get something good in return!
Old man Kidd?
He has a point.
I don’t agree with him, but it’s not entirely crazy.
It doesn’t look like Rudy and Roy will be able to log tons of minutes together. Rudy is somewhat of a defensive liability and his strengths are a little bit wasted when he’s on the court with Roy. If Rudy actually turns into a top tier shooting guard the Blazers might be better off trading him for someone who fits the system better.
That’s still a long way off though so I wouldn’t be too worried about it.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 28, 2008 5:09 PM PST reply actions
I like how this guy is clearly a troll. Its been pointed out. People have asked that you ignore him.
This will have 300 comments by midnight.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
We should get rid of him if only for that silly Spanish lisp. Just because the King years and years ago couldn’t say his esses doesn’t mean the whole country should follow suit.
I mean he can’t even say his own name right “Rudy Fernandeth”
Boo, even worse than everyone not speaking fluent English is those with lisps!
There is no question Rudy would be a better fit on another team
You could also make a case that he would bring the best value to the Blazers via a trade. However, he’s also clearly a valuable asset to the Blazers on the court. He’s having a strong rookie season, and hopefully with time he will get better and McMillan and his teammates will get better at using Rudy.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2008 5:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Buy low, sell high
If LMA actually learns to become an inside force on defense, and Oden becomes a mix of Hakeem and Shaq and Russell, we could go with a three guard lineup. Barring that, you are right that Rudy might bring more value through a trade — but you don’t want to do that right now. Wait until he’s demonstrated just how valuable he is to us, and let other GMs start dreaming about how valuable he would be to them.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
Look, Greg Oden lacks the innate athleticism of Hakeem Olajuwon and natural brute strength of ...
Shaquille O’Neal; thus, it’s unfair to compare him to either one of those guys. Instead, Oden’s closest comparison stylistiically is that of Patrick Ewing. For Oden’s sake, however, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him being the second-coming of Ewing, although I can clearly envision how it could bother the big dude when folks heap far-fetched expectations upon him. Indeed, it’s got to be rough for Oden.
Furthermore, a three-guard lineup including Rudy Fernandez and Brandon Roy at the wings would be laughably abysmal on defense. Unless Fernandez watches a ton of tape on Manu Ginobili and stops frequently gambling on defense, his unique skill set will always be best utilized with the Portland Trail Blazers’ second unit rather than the starting five. The Fernandez to Ginobili comparison is an apt one, though.
This response seems a bit excessive
We’re pretty abysmal on defense anyway.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
I'm sort of like one of those television channels that's louder than the rest of the stations, ...
so it’s best to turn down the proverbial volume a bit when reading my posts—especially those that are about defense. That rings true for commercials, too, which almost always seem to be louder than the actual programs.
actually they are louder
at least in austrialia where a lawsuit was filed. I haven’t heard anything about the states but if the aussies are doing it we must be.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Hey, AK
Did you notice that little word at the beginning of my comment? It starts with an I and ends with an f.
I said IF those things happened, we could use a three guard lineup. I didn’t say it would happen, or Oden would become any of those players.
But Rudy is going to be too good to just backup Brandon for 15 minutes in the second unit, so we either need to find a way to play him alongside Brandon for significant minutes (and that probably means a three guard lineup for part of the game) or eventually trade him for someone equally as good who can play alongside Brandon.
If Rudy’s defense improves, there are a lot of teams that we could go up against with a three guard lineup, IF Oden becomes the defensive force that many anticipate, and LMA becomes a defensive force as well.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
Yeah, I realized that your post was based on hypotheticals rather than absolutes.
It, however, provided me with a starting point to lay down my stances on those topics.
Yet, while I don’t deny that there exists a slight, albeit exceptionally improbable possibility that LaMarcus Aldridge will someday develop a low-post scoring repertoire and become an above average defender, the assertion that Greg Oden has the potential to become the next Hakeem Olajuwon or Shaquille O’Neal is complete and utter lunacy. At the same time, though, anyone who compares Oden to busts like LaRue Martin or Michael Olowokandi are deranged fools.
Sure, Oden should eventually become a monstrous defensive force in the paint akin to Patrick Ewing — or, with regards solely to defense, Elmore Smith — still, he disappointingly lacks the inherently graceful athleticism of Olajuwon or brute strength of O’Neal to be in their class. Yet, that’s not a knock on Oden, since turning into the next Ewing — or Robert Parish, perhaps — isn’t necessarily a bad thing. All in all, my main advice is for folks to temper their expectations.
Channing came out during the summer and said Greg was the strongest guy in the NBA
He’s biased obviously, but it has some truth to it. Greg is one of the strongest centers there is, right along with Howard and Shaq.
And if you watched his freshman season at OSU, he had crazy athleticism.
by Cablinasian on Dec 29, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Greg Oden is definitely a strong, athletic player; nevertheless, Hakeem Olajuwon ...
and Shaquille O’Neal are rare, one-of-a-kind specimens. While Oden’s unique mixture of strength and athleticism is somewhat similar to that of David Robinson, it’s not fair to categorize him in the same tier as transcendent players like Olajuwon and O’Neal. No matter much effort Oden puts into refining his overall game, he’ll be unable to pull off the “Dream Shake” maneuver, move gracefully around the court like a figure skater, defend the passing lanes like a sleek guard, et cetera; likewise, the huge, lumbering pivotman lacks the gargantuan strength necessary to shatter a backboard like O’Neal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bByB5ZBNi_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jMOK87N7A
Oden is assured of having a thrilling, sensational career, but he won’t be a legend. The difference between a championship ring wearing Hall of Famer (e.g., David Robinson, Robert Parish, et al.) and a world-renowned transcendent figure (e.g., Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, et al.) may be insignificant to some folks; yet, it’s nevertheless there.
Be nice now
It’s not likes he wants us to trade for Marbury or somethin.
Look at Rudy's stats compared to Ginobli's in his first year.
Now look at Ginobli’s stats over the last few years. Enough said, have some foresight, and not so negatively reactive.
Rudy and Sergio are awesome for coming in and changing the pace of a game.
It makes scouting our team and getting a gameplan together quite a bit harder for the other team….we have so many options with them.
So yeh, I agree that Rudy + Roy isn’t working out all nice and shiny beautiful right now, but they’re already valuable as they are (rudy and sergio), and they are only going to become even more valuable to this team as they get used to playing in Nate’s system.
Wait you’re agnostic. That means you worship lawsuits. --TiH
I unrec all you guys that rec’d this
Is this guy for real, probably not – but I don’t know for sure
If he’s for real, he’s entitled to his opinion
But as for you that rec’d this post
Someone can put 10 hours of research into a post and maybe get a few rec’s
This post has about as much thought as a quick rhetorical reply in a thread that you would never rec in a million years.
i.e. you wouldn’t rec this if it was a comment in a thread, but because it’s in a post you rec it.
I’m totally lost here.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
by Blazer1342 on Dec 29, 2008 1:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A rec. for you sir.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 29, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Welcome to Blazer's Edge, R26!
Always a pleasure to see a new and thoughtful point of view posted by a die hard Blazer fan.
wtf
i hope your post was sarcastic. i dont know about praising a troll for his first post.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 28, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
it's good to be inclusive
then when they become your brother, you stab their back.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 28, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
lol
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
After scanning the users who commented
BustaBucket gave this post a rec. I wonder who the second came from.
honor rasheed wallace
B a B
= Anarchy?
;)
Let’s face it, we’re just bored!
it's time for a revolution Blazin'
time for anarchy.
As you can see, I rejected this argument on its merits.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 28, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Too many days between games
The Blazers may rest, but the fans are restive.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
you speak the dosh darn truth Jscot
you are wise beyond your (many) years.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 28, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Come on
Rudy is obviously a defensive liability. With that said he spreads the floor and can really shoot the 3 which i look for him to continually improve on. Hes will be great trade bait but at this point thats all he is.
Rudy>Travis
Travis is way more of a liability than Rudy.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 28, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
On the surface, this post is very troll-ish. That being said, sometimes I do wonder where Rudy fits into this team in the long run. When Rudy and BRoy are on the floor together, rarely do you see a great play where they are playing off of one another. When BRoy is making a play, Rudy’s greatest value lies in the fact that his defender is hesitant to come over and double team BRoy. If they can get this pattern down, and if BRoy can refine his alley oop passes to Rudy, they could be unstoppable. Hopefully that will be the case, rather than one where Rudy is just not meshing unless Sergio is at the point (as inferred by R26).
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 28, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions
Have you noticed that the energy that Rudy brings to the table is rubbing off
onto his teammates. Not only that but his BBIQ is being picked up by the other players also.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
Where do you people buy your Loco Weed from?
Rudy is a rookie from Spain, duh. He is used to what, maybe 30+ games a year, and now after playing through a heavy summer (Remember the Olympics?) he is playing a completely different style of ball and playing 3 times as much of it. Give that poor guy a freaking break!
If he doesn’t have an awesome season next year then you might be able to make the case that he doesn’t fit here. Until then Get Off His Case!
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LMA is LaMonster!!!!!
37:52 Mins 7-13 FGs 7-8 FTs +21 1 Off 9 Rebs 2 Ast 2 Stl 21 Points - LMA vs Toronto 12-27-08
by LaMarvelous on Dec 28, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh and BTW - 10,000 unrecs
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LMA is LaMonster!!!!!
37:52 Mins 7-13 FGs 7-8 FTs +21 1 Off 9 Rebs 2 Ast 2 Stl 21 Points - LMA vs Toronto 12-27-08
i dont know
whether to ignore this topic or comment on it….but i agree with you as usual.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 28, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
From Willy Wonka, of course.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Dec 28, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Nailed it
Rec’d. Even if one thought Rudy’s optimal use was as trade bait (and I don’t – the guy is a keeper) it’s 30 games into his rookie year, so even if for some reason dynamic offensive players who are potential 6th man of the year material/the best form of insurance if B Roy (who is irreplaceable) needs to miss some games with an injury (has happened before) aren’t your thing, trading him now when his value will only go up is counter productive. Besides, Rudy will be more valuable in red and black than any other color, unless somebody makes KP an insane (I’m thinking one of the Redeem Team key guys) offer, Rudy stays.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 28, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Trade R26 to Blogabull
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
This belongs in the Trade thread
but I forgive you.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Dec 28, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
haha, +1
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Dec 29, 2008 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm just going to go ahead and...
Say any conclusions drawn about any player after 30 some odd games in the NBA are totally useless. This includes Rudy, Batum, Oden and Bayless.
(( get a clue ))
for a rookie 30 games in rudy is doing just fine, he just needs to define his role more and use his basketball IQ better and he will develop into a great energy guy for our team in the future.
Next year, after he works on defense and a mid-range game, we’ll know whether Rudy is a NBA starter or just a solid rotation player. In the meantime, his outside shooting, hustle, and creativity make him a major asset on the floor. Dependable outside shooters allow Roy to do what he does best and prevent teams from effectivelydouble teaming Aldridge and Oden in the post. No one in their right mind would include Rudy in a trade now for anything less than an all-star SF or PG.
I doubt that Rudy will ever start ahead of Roy and they only start together if Rudy eventually takes over Blake’s role. (Rudy will be a better player than Blake). Neither Roy or Rudy are small forwards except for short minutes and certain situations. That said, Rudy will probably be traded . . . eventually . . . but I’ll be very surprised if Rudy isn’t a Blazer for at least another year.
by chemistrymajor on Dec 29, 2008 12:04 AM PST reply actions
welcome to all the newcomers
including pr26 and klym and all the rest whose monikers I have not seen before. Welcome to the human race. Your ideas are just priceless.
The question we should really ponder is not why al-Zeidi could be so impolite as to throw his shoes at Bush, but why the dozens of other shoes in the room remained on people's feet, why no foot odor ever purifies the air at a White House press conference, why a man who throws his shoes at our president is more popular than our president himself.
R26 Welcome to Blazersedge
I don’t think you are a troll. I imagine you are in Spain and you are a fan of Rudolfo?? You are possibly used to seeing the offensive plays run through Rudy? He is making some spectacular plays, but in the NBA he doesn’t have the “isolation” game needed to be a go to player. In the NBA he is a complimentary perimeter player which we need.
You are right,
I’m from Spain, I wonder what made you think that as I tried my best to not sound like a Rudy fanboy…perhaps the name but I didn’t think there’d be F1 fans here!
I know the fans like him, but his teammates? I don’t think so, correct me if I’m wrong but to me it looks as if they are ignoring him and playing 4v5 especially in the 4ths, Roy or LMA would rather take a shot while being double or even triple teamed than pass it to him while he is alone and I think that will start to frustrate him, he already has mentioned that he wished they would pass him the ball more often.
I understand what you are trying to say, but...
… you have understand also that Rudy is a rookie in the NBA, no matter if he was a star in Spain.
I would say the he is doing better than expected, he has the coach confidence and he is playing a lot of minutes being a rookie.
Rudy is new to the team, he doesn’t speak fluent english yet, and probably does not have a deep relationship with other payers except Sergio, players need to know each other well to have chemistry in the court, you can see this with Sergio/Rudy now, but will take some time until Rudy is fully integrated in the team.
If you are expecting BRoy passing him the ball in crunch minutes (like Bryant/Gasol in the last Lakers vs Celtics game) you are not being realistic. He needs to be a solid player first, give him time, at least the complete rookie season.
That kind of stuff will come around
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
You have a point there
but calm down, this is a young team and they need time to get their stuff together.
It’s not that Nate/his teammates don’t appreciate him, it’s just that Nate uses him mostly as a 3pt threat to open spaces for Roy, who takes almost every shot in the last minutes of close games. I don’t like it either, I think it’s the easy and not-so-good thing to do, but it’s a respectable tactic.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I don't mind that Rudy wants the ball more, but he can't be a primary option with Roy most of the time.
Last year when Roy was tired or was taken out by double teaming he would swing the ball to Outlaw particularly early in the fourth quarter. Roy would let Outlaw do his thing. If Outlaw is moved, this will be a good thing for Rudy. As a Rudy fan that is one thing you can hope for.
I’m from Spain, I wonder what made you think that
You just seem to be a fan of Rudy and not the Blazers. That is somewhat typical of some Spainish fans who visit here with a couple of exceptions, notably Amlmart1. Amlmart1 either came here to discuss sergio/rudy or to practice English I’m not sure which. Either way, Amlmart1 is now a great knowledgable fan of the Blazers and a delightful contributor to this site.
If you can get past the “Troll” comments and maybe be a little more constructive in your thoughts on Rudy as a Blazer I think you would enjoy the conversation. Amlmart1 endeared himself to Blazersedge when he first posted by giving us inside information and links from Spanish publications.
aye...amlmart is as vital to BE
as Ben and Dave. I would get excited everytime amlmart would post a new link to a rudy highlight or translate his stats. I wish the NBA would record stats like FIBA.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 29, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks, guys.
And I also walk over the waters and convert water in Gatorade ;)
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Wrong
There’s not enough minutes behind Brandon for Rudy. Eventually something has to give. The OP made some points that aren’t well-founded (his teammates don’t hate Rudy, and it was that comment that made people think this was a troll), but his overriding point is sound — it is hard to fit a talent like Rudy in when we’ve got a talent like Roy at the same position in front of him. It may well be, in the long run, that it would be better for both Portland and Rudy if he were traded for a player who fits well alongside Brandon.
I hope they can work it out, I love his game.
But it is silly to say that someone who recognizes the problem has written a dumb post.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
Needs to go is too harsh but he needs to improve fo sho
Defense and shot selection mostly
Blazer Fan
Plays, not Stats
Several games this season were won on a run sparked by a Rudy defensive play, fantastic pass or 3 pointer. He is definitely a run-sparker. Consistency will come. He’s not consistent to have the ball in his hands in crunch time, but keeps the Blazers moving when they might otherwise be stagnant. Don’t trade him. He’s on ESPN highlight reels every night this season. Trade him in a year or two, but not this year. He brings a lot to the team.
Rudy is amazing
He is a pro but it will just take more time for the trust to develop. Rudy is so different than the core of this team.. the big 3, Blake & Przy are all just pure fundamental players without much flash. You’ll even notice a few interviews with LMA and Roy where they’ll give high praise to Rudy but there are those occasional comments about “he just has to learn when not to push the play too hard when the game is on the line and we cannot survive another turnover”. I just think they are all trying to develop a little trust..
Plus I don’t think they are ever stuck playing 4 on 5 down the stretch due to Rudy anymore because no one leaves Rudy alone.. the other team is always sending someone to try and following him as his slithers through screens..
Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
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Hey let's get rid Roy...
LA, Oden, Rudy, Blake, Outlaw and try to get most of the OKC Thunder roster. But we have to start Frye. I think then we will win and the chemistry will be outstanding.
No this post is ridiculous Rudy has played 31 games with Portland and is still not used to the NBA schedule he is going to improve and will be one of the best 6th mans in the NBA. Rudy is awesome and for one thing if you have been to a Blazer game this year you see that whenever he steps on the court the crowd just gets ready to explode because of the excitement in his game.
Red Hot and Rolling
Nate has a system??
I thought they just dumped it into the post and then back out to the arch for a 3 point chuck. Sounds perfect for Rudy to me….
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