Game 19 Recap: Blazers 104, Knicks 97
General Observations
I am glad we won this game. Losing it would have been a hard pill to swallow. That’s no knock on the Knicks, rather an admission that we spent most of the game outside of the optimal game plan. We were like a jet pilot making a sloppy landing on a carrier. The approach was brutal but at the last second we made corrections and brought it in perfectly. Our superiors will probably have a word or two for us but in the end the plane landed safely and well. That’s the important thing.
The Blazers started out the game playing like they had not seen this round thing… What do you call it? Bask-et-baul? It is for bouncing? Oh, and you toss it through that orange thing over there? I see! Is my proficiency within normative bounds?
The first quarter mostly consisted of jump shots peppered between turnovers, fouls, and a whole bunch of offensive rebounds. (At least that last part was good.) We weren’t running the offense as much as butchering it. Given the ratio of jumpers to penetration plays we were lucky to score 24. The defensive energy wasn’t there either. We committed way too many fouls and allowed too much penetration with the side effect of leaving perimeter shooters open. The net result was that we gave the Knicks life which they refused to relinquish until the final minutes of the game. It was a textbook example of how to make winning against an undermanned, less-talented team difficult as heck.
Seeing our jump-shooting ways got us down by seven after the first quarter we took the next logical step: shooting DEEPER jumpers. But they are worth three points, no? Three is better than two by a factor of point-five. Let us shoot them all day and our opponents will flee before our might, scurrying away like rats before an onslaught of other rats bigger than they by a factor of point-five! Cry havoc and loose the dogs of superior marksmanship! Predictably we missed those deeper jumpers. We shot 2 for 10 on threes in the period. We took 24 shots in the quarter. 10 were threes and 13 were from 20-feet or beyond. Did no-one read the game preview…the one about the Knicks having shot-blocking worse than a Jscot pick-up line? (“Once you’ve had the ruler of the universe, baby, you never go back. Well, almost never. Seldom, I’d say. Do you like asparagus?”) Brandon Roy kept the Blazers afloat with an astonishing array of drives and shakes for free shots. With a little help from the
In the third period the Blazers were back to shooting shorter jumpers. The rats did not run! Back to Plan A! Forward Squadron
That’s when the Blazers’ second unit woke up. Wait! Why have we been speaking like this? What? Somebody left the italics on? Oh crap! We’d better get playing. Joel Przybilla and Rudy Fernandez keyed the run and then all of a sudden Batum, Outlaw, and Sergio were on board. Sergio started us running. Joel locked down defensively. Rudy canned the threes. By the time Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge returned we were in the groove. The whole team started threatening offensively. The refs started letting physical plays go and Pryzbilla went to town on any Knick who set foot in the paint. When the shots started falling the rest was history.
Individual Observations
Our two main scorers both had good nights…a good indicator of success for the Blazers. Brandon Roy was all but unstoppable, getting to the rim at will and shooting 9-19 for 23 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 3 steals. The black mark on his record is his 6 turnovers but he had to carry the load and the ball more than is desirable tonight. That often results in extra turnovers for him. Lamarcus Aldridge shot 7-12, taking advantage of smaller defenders with his turn-around jumper, scoring 17.
Our second-unit forwards also had good offensive nights. Travis Outlaw shot 7-15 for 16 points plus 6 rebounds. Rudy Fernandez shot 5-11 and 4-8 from distance for 18 points. I wasn’t entirely infatuated with either player’s shot selection but when they go in it’s hard to argue.
Joel Przybilla provided the spark that turned this game around. He keyed the rebounding dominance with 4 offensive and 10 defensive rebounds. His defense insured that the team would not lose tonight. Nobody can play lethargically after seeing him block a dunk attempt. Major props to Joel for reminding us who we were.
Steve Blake came through with 4-6 three-point shooting and 15 points. He was a great outlet. It’s really impressive how he can go without shooting for most of a quarter and then can the next shot he gets. He had trouble containing Chris Duhon but then everybody did. His teammates weren’t much help. Blake added 6 assists and 4 rebounds.
Nicolas Batum played with energy but couldn’t connect with his shot tonight. He played some good defense out there though. He was one of the only frontcourt players who didn’t look like he was stuck in molasses.
Greg Oden had 7 rebounds and 2 blocks but he only played 19 minutes because he couldn’t figure out how to get position on smaller guys. I was begging, screaming at the TV, “Please just let Oden go down within three feet of the hoop and get a pass!” It never really happened. He got one dunk off of an interior pass. That was it. He wasn’t a liability tonight but he wasn’t as big of an asset as he could have been.
Sergio Rodriguez had 5 assists and 4 rebounds in 19 minutes. Once the spark was lit in the early fourth he blew the flicker into a flame by pushing the Blazers faster up the court. He hit a couple shots but his set-up game was the ribbon-winner tonight.
Channing Frye: 6 minutes, 2 ill-advised shots, see ya. Maybe some pressure coming back to the old stomping grounds? (Outlaw having a good night also could have had something to do with it.)
Final Thoughts
There’s not much time to regroup as we play
Don’t forget to check the Knicks recap at PostingandToasting.
Enter Game 2 of the December Jersey Contest here.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Love your post’s D4v3 you sir are very observant
by Shribby on Dec 2, 2008 10:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LoL literally first ehh?
Welcome to the Bedge, bruh.
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 2, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did that Blazers RULE fellow rub off on you?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Dec 2, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you talking about the Manifest Dynasty guy?
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 2, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, a different fellow
faith remembers
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tengo una pregunta
What do you mean by “D4v3”?
by CatMan2 on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
D4v3
means Dave in internet Trolling chat lingo :D
by Shribby on Dec 3, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No prolem ese'
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by Shribby on Dec 4, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good recap Dave
That is really hideous
--jscot
by prezofdeath on Dec 2, 2008 10:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
"I saw him in the face"
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Dec 3, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Until
Until Oden is more efficient down the post and his teammates have more trust in him, he will continue to struggle with small teams around the league.
by Balian on Dec 2, 2008 10:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't watch this game.....
can someone tell me if our guys were just throwing the ball off the backboard to themselves so they could get more rebounds?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Dec 2, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joel.Brandon and Rudy
were the reasons we won,its cool,we won
by southern oregon on Dec 2, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Observations
Nate was outcoached tonight. Felt like we didn’t have much of a plan b. Not surprising. D’Antoni knows his Western Conference and is a wily one.
Why can’t we defend the pick and roll? If you’re gonna switch, at the very least do not let the ball-handler have a straight line to the basket!
Recap is about right. Except I would say we won not because of rebounds (although that kept it close). We won because they only played 7 and ran out of steam.
Knicks look to me to be as athletic and skilled a team as we are. Would not expect to beat them easily next time, either.
by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought the coaching was excellent
got them to push the ball, though not frantically: enough that it the Knicks were worn down by the 4th. Went smaller when we needed it. Went with Travis for good long stretches instead of Frye or LMA when we needed someone who could shoot over their superquick defensive rotations. Paced Greg and Joel well.
All game long I noticed that our help defense STUNK. I could only assume the help defenders were terrified to leave 3-point shooters alone and help.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
game coaching was not so bad
it was more about preparation. Felt like we were stumped. But that is very subjective….
by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We didn’t play well, but we also didn’t get sucked into the Knicks new style of play.
If we had done that, then I could see someone saying Nate got outcoached. We made them play OUR game, and even when we’re playing that version of our game pretty poorly it’s still better than they can do it right now, with their roster problems.
The Knicks played well, we didn’t, and we sorta coasted to a win. I ain’t worried about next time.
I know the Knicks have had an EXTREMELY easy schedule, but I do enjoy seeing how drastically different (and more entertaining, and thus far, more successfull) they are under D’Antoni. Now THAT is a coach whose style is clearly reflected out on the court.
Skills wise, talent wise, everything wise, they just don’t have the same level of goodness we got. We just didn’t play well.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 2, 2008 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TRANSITION DEFENSE
we bit on their style somewhat in our halfcourt offense (I’m looking at you, 2nd Quarter Rudy), but how many times did you see them get uncontested threes in transition, fast breaks or delayed breaks? To me, that is the signature of the D’Antoni gameplan. I watched them twice in the past weeks, against GSW and the Clips, and sometimes it felt they were shooting in 3 seconds or less: quick outlet followed by long pass ahead and three-ball, or quick outlet and high screen by Lee and then dump to Lee in the lane. If D’Antoni turned Nash into a MVP and is turning Duhon into Nash, is he also turning David Lee into Canal Street discounters version of Amare Stoudamire?
We did a nice job getting back and sorting defensive assignments
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
Maybe transition d was more of an emphasis for Nate than the half court O.
by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact is
We held these guys under 100. Compared to GS, that’s not so bad. Somebody did something right on defense.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Dec 3, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get more excited about good play...
than W’s and L’s. Cause I got an eye on May.
by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you're saying
But we need every last W and L we can get just to make it to May…
We get these wins when we’re having an off night, and the rest will sort itself out. Just needs time.
M—
by Mortimer on Dec 2, 2008 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Errr
We need every last W, and not every last L.
L’s are bad. Boo L’s.
Morty
by Mortimer on Dec 2, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are your own best editor, Mortimus
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not when L stands for Ladies
Then L = Good
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 3, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Just go with ‘Women’.
Everybody wins!
by DonkeyShins on Dec 3, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol you're kidding right?
excellent snark 10/10
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 3, 2008 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I would have liked to see the Blazers go to a strict man to man, only switch when you have too off the pick, and when the PG drives don’t help out the defender, make the other players shoot with a hand in their face. Personally I don’t think that NYK’s shooters wouldn’t have shot so well had our defenders been there. It also would’ve wore down Duhon too. But we got a win so I cant complain.
by Shribby on Dec 2, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was frustrated during the first half.
We could have easily dumped it down to the post, spread the floor, and relied on ball movement to get good shots. We seemed so reluctant to run our offense efficiently.
In the end though, we won another game that we didn’t play well in. The good teams win these games. So far, Sacramento, NY, and Minnesota (twice) have been these kind of wins. Last year we don’t win these games. This year we do. It’s the difference between 13-6 and 9-10.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oden....
Oden. Oden. Oden. Oden.
I just don’t know sometimes. He’s lost? He’s not sure who or where he’s suppose to be. He’s not comfortable thats for sure.
I mean it’s no suprise that Joel is playing the season of his life right now, but I did hope for a more dominant dominant big man.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 2, 2008 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Oden looks like a 20 year old rookie coming off a year sitting out with microfracture
Sometimes he looks completely lost.
Joel has been huge this year! That guy saves our bacon over and over again. And by having Oden there to split time, how much more energy can Joel bring to his minutes and how much does that extend his career?
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 2, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, luckily the Greg's not 19 years old and coming from a different
country being inserted into a team with a different language and a different culture or he’d really be…. uhh… wait… nevermind.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 3, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to sound like Oden's agent but...
did NY get a single bucket straight up against Greg or Joel? My recollection is David Lee coming at Greg once on the left block and Joel once on the right block. Both times he was stuffed (and both times fouled a little bit). They both looked poor when isolated on a guard or a wing with room to operate.
Both were effective rebounders tonight. Joel looked more comfortable on the help defense tonight but Greg did a much nicer job in Detroit two nights ago.
I read a comment denigrating Oden’s rebounding, saying “he’s so big, he can’t help but get rebounds.” Exactly, and that was 7 in 19 minutes tonight.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is fine. He's running better, he's not getting injured, he's getting rebounds,
blocking shots and making his free throws. The Blazers have scorers. If he improves 1% per game between now and the end of the season he’ll be a monster. There’s no rush.
by raoulduke on Dec 2, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two missed dunks, lazy pick setting, lazy rolling, lazy movement, awful court positioning during penetration, just plain looking lost. It goes on and it’s not what I expected at all from seeing him for the first time through a whole game.
His athleticism is still coming back, remember summer league Oden, off the pick and roll from Sergio leading to the dunk from somewhere near the free-throw line? That Oden still sin’t around and that’s clear. I see a lot of Bynums points coming off lobs and alley oops, once Odens athleticism is back he could be doing similar things. But for a defensive monster, which usually requires a little knowledge of where to be on the court at any given time, he doesn’t seem to have a clue at times.
I’m waiting, he needs a lot of work but if he can get the basics he is going to be fun to watch.
by BeloHorizante on Dec 3, 2008 2:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The kid is 20
He’s got a lot of pure raw material to work with and good BBIQ – he just doesn’t have the same skill level as someone who went through 4 years of NCAA ball. Give him time.
Also, keep in mind his primary focus coach on the Blazers was out for an extended period with pneumonia.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 3, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree...
He needs Coach Lucas to help him fix his lathargic mental attitude.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 3, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is RAW. And it is not at all clear whether he has INTERNAL FIRE.
+1 for this
Two missed dunks, lazy pick setting, lazy rolling, lazy movement, awful court positioning during penetration, just plain looking lost. It goes on and it’s not what I expected at all…
I’m SO THANKFUL there’s Pryz…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 3, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying that these games that he's suppose to DOMINATE in...
he probably should once in a while…you know,…… decide to show up.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Dec 2, 2008 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that he should dominate this game
Dominate by chasing David Lee or Al Harrington around the perimeter? On offense, they were sagging like crazy. It led to good looks from the arc. The Blazers clanked those for three quarters.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if the Blazers could have hit the broad side of their backside in the first half
that would have opened things up more underneath.
And, you never know how Oden would have played down the stretch. He may have played like he did in Detroit (a game where he should have dominated and he did, by the way). But we’ll never know and don’t need to know, because Joel was clearly controlling the game down low for us and Oden was superfluous to us in the 4th quarter. Bottom line: we didn’t need him.
Maybe he wouldn’t have sucked in the 4th, but since he never had a chance, we shouldn’t judge him.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 2, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee played in the paint and looked like more of a center than Oden did... And Lee's not even a real center!
I don’t know that he should dominate this game
Dominate by chasing David Lee or Al Harrington around the perimeter?
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 3, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden did two things
1. Missed two dunks and basically sat the rest of the game. (I think it was Blake who got him a nice face-saving dunk in the second half, which was thoughtful of him.)
2. Switched on picks so he was defending guards on the perimeter. That didn’t lead to anything good.
by Kaboomm on Dec 3, 2008 7:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An exceptionally entertaining re-cap, Dave
But I think you may be overlooking the D’Antoni/ Nellie-ball factor. As in the Golden State game, the Blazers appeared to be out of sync because the Knicks refused to play in the normal NBA fashion. The Blazers were getting wide-open jumpers, but I think they were missing them in part because they weren’t getting those shots in their normal rhythm. It’s kind of like how a baseball pitcher who can’t throw a fastball 85 mph can still get hitters out by messing up their timing. Returning to hoops: the easiest shot in the world is hard to hit if you don’t get it when and how you’re used to.
The good news: the Blazers aren’t the only “conventional” NBA team that struggles when playing these odd-ball run & gun squads. Remember what the Warriors did to the Mavs in the playoffs a couple of years ago? At least the Blazers maintained their cool enough tonight to pull out a win. I hope the Blazers put this one out of their minds and move on—for now. The Wizards will be a completely different team and—the fatigue factor aside—should be much easier to put away.
But prior to the next Blazers game vs the Knicks or Warriors, I hope Nate pulls out tonight’s tape and makes some adjustments. Maybe he could have the team scrimmage against a team of running & gunning junior high school kids!
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Dec 2, 2008 11:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And One, to quote a tattoo
I was thinking of poor Dallas against GS as I watched this game. Avery never adjusted; Nate went to three guards in the 4th and it carried the day
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I 'member
Is that Avery adjusted before the series even started, sitting… who was it… Dampier? Norsktroll will know, that’s his other team…
Anyways, didn’t Avery change his lineup and starters to match with the Warriors, which everyone felt threw off his team and revealed that they were scared of how the Warriors played? The Mavs won 67 games that year after all, they should make the 8th seed play THEIR game…
If at all possible, you stick with your gameplan first to see which way the game is gonna go and if we gotta go small because our bigs aren’t taking advantage of their bigness, then ya go small. Avery making that adjustment before the series even started seems like a mistake to me, both in game and psychologically for his own guys and the confidence it gives the other team.
And haven’t we done the 3 guard lineup to close out games quite a bit this year? Rudy/Roy/Blake? I think it works even in ‘normal’ games, since Blake and Rudy are such great shooters and obviously can handle the ball if we get in trouble. They just can’t create their own shot like Travis can when we get in trouble…
Once Oden becomes Oden, I don’t think these small running teams will cause us as much trouble because he will be able to impose his game on them. Right now while he’s still thinking too much and getting his sea legs, small teams just discombobulate him even more.
If the Mavs had a post scorer to go along with Dirk, someone to take advantage of the Warriors smallness and punish the Warriors for sending 3 defenders at either him or Dirk, then maybe history would be different. If a team like that swarms the Grown Up Oden, there will still be LMA and Roy and open 3 point specialists like Blake to make the strategy not work consistently.
I think history won’t be repeated for us, should we some day find ourselves in the same scenario. I hope not, at least…
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 2, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are very right
He did sit Dampier (before the series? after the first game?).
Have we played 3 guards with Travis as our PF? That is what seemed novel to me tonight. And effective, because the only way we wanted to beat that deep sagging D was with good perimeter shooting. So the more shooters the better. One of them had to start making them. Sergio? Sergio!!!
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I _THINK_ it was before the series...
…but Norkstroll or someone else will have to confirm it.
It was after the Mavs had lost something like 4 straight to the Warriors in the regular season, giving the Dubs confidence for their upcoming series with the Mavs, and trying to play Nelly Ball against Nelly Ball almost never works.
Just seemed like such a scared move for a team so dominant… and yeah, I think you only do that if you have to or else you have a good chance of losing before you even play. If what you do has worked so many times before, suddenly changing it up to a style you never play for a series of important games seems like SUCH a bad idea.
And I ain’t the type to blame a coach for a team losing normally, but I totally see that upset by the Warriors to be Avery’s fault (and Nelly’s crazy style being what scared Avery).
We definitely ain’t a consistently “dominant” team right now, but I envision we will be, and I hope we always try to impose our will on the game and not just play not to lose by trying to match the enemy. Matching the enemy just gives the enemy the advantage unless you do what they do even better… and if you’re playing against Nelly or D’Antoni, you will never do it better than they do so you might as will stick with what ya do.
Remember the days when we had no one who could hit a perimeter jumper? We’re jumper rich now, and it’s lovely! Our tendency to shoot too many jumpers won’t be as bad once Oden is Oden…
We can’t be zoned, and we’re unselfish so our stars can’t be doubled to oblivion. I like us!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 3, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
B'oh
I know how to spell it, I just typo’d again… NORSKtroll.
Norsktroll Norsktroll Norsktroll!
—Norkstrollimer
by Mortimer on Dec 3, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't the Norks have a Troll?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 3, 2008 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaah! They are fused together!!
He who life can no longer surprise raises his eyes, beholds a planet unknown. - Peter Gabriel
by 22baylor on Dec 3, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes I remember when we had no one who could hit a jumper
an era (it seemed like forever!) that birthed Martell Webster instead of…gulp. Well we know who was in that draft.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 3, 2008 1:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have banned most memories of that series from my memory, if that makes sense
But yeah, Dampier didn’t play in some games of the series though he did play, but Avery went with Diop as the main big man who is no factor on offense.
Other keys to the series included that Nelly knows Dallas very well, and was able to crowd the best players constantly. Jackson went hot, recording franchise records for most threes in a playoff game (in game 6 I think), and also did a great job on defense. Davis was hot. The atmosphere in Golden State was great. All that contributed.
By the way, yesterday Dallas went super-small to beat the Clippers, finishing the game with Dirk at center, Williams at power forward, Terry at small forward, Barea at shooting guard (vs. Gordon) and Kidd at point guard (vs. Baron).
by Norsktroll on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points as always, Mort
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Dec 2, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sick burn Dave
Jscot will remember.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 2, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Dave was overly harsh on the Knicks shot-blocking ability.
There’s no need to denigrate hard working NBA players by comparing them to Jscot’s man-prowessness.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 2, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jscot could very well be quite the ladies' man
For a guy in a skirt – sorry, kilt.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought D'Antoni had a great game plan
*Use the man(mostly Lee) guarding Oden or Przybilla to double the post or ball handler off the pick and roll.
*Collapse the paint.
*Run out on 3-point shooters and dare the Blazers to drive.
I thought Blazers didn’t adjust their offense much. Sticking to the book to the very end. It was like someone hitting their computer until it started working again. In the 4th quarter, the Knicks lost a step on defense and offense, probably due to the short rotation. The Blazers took advantage of their superior energy and 3-ball to finish the game. They never did get into the paint much.
I think it’s the textbook way to stopping the Blazers’ offense. Mobile bigs, double off Oden or Przybilla, collapse the paint, run out on shooters, force drives, and repeat. The Blazer guards/forwards other than Roy seem reluctant to finish the drive when the opportunity presents itself. Oden needs to be more involved in the offense or the guards/forwards need to continue all the way to the hoop. I’m more optimistic about the former than the latter.
The Knicks didn’t execute their defensive plan completely. They were slow and tired near the end, and didn’t close out on the shooters very well. The Blazers also kept shooting jumpers regardless how the Knicks played them. Fortunately the shots dropped in the 4th quarter and the Knicks could not generate any offense.
I think Boston will employ a very similar game plan. This was a good warm up.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
by blzrfan on Dec 2, 2008 11:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What he said.
Preview/reputation aside, Knicks brought an effective defense tonight. D’Antoni will continue his playoff run in NY.
by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the guys dodged a bullet tonight
For one thing, as you point out, the Knicks ran out of gas. For another—and this is related to point #1—the Knicks didn’t have Nate Robinson. Remember, Robinson absolutely KILLED the Blazers last season in the Garden.
But I don’t expect the Celtics to be able to discombobulate the Blazers as much as the Warriors, Kings (in the last matchup), and now the Knicks have. The Celtics bigs aren’t as small, mobile, and adept at outside shooting as those other teams’. On the other hand, they’re an extremely good—and physical—defensive team. But their approach should be more conventional than what the Blazers faced tonight: their big, talented, deep squad vs the Blazers’.
One would expect the much more seasoned Celtics, playing at home, to prevail. But if the Blazers play like they did vs the Pistons, Friday night could be interesting…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Dec 3, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For every time someone says 'our opponent didn't have '
I’m going to remind everyone that we’ve been playing without Martell, who was torching preseason. I’m tired of all the asterisks next to each win because someone wasn’t playing. Injuries happen.
For that matter – we could say ‘well, the teams that beat us in 2007-8 only get an asterisk next to their wins because Oden wasn’t playing.
So there.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 3, 2008 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy has shown a bit more inclination to take it into the paint
the last couple games. If he continues that will be a nice added dimension.
by raoulduke on Dec 2, 2008 11:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I worry about him
when he has a clear path down the right lane, he goes, but does not finish that well. Unless he starts getting calls
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 2, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, tonight was much better I thought
On one occasion, Rudy was about to cram it when the Knicks hacked him. Two free throws & two points. On another occasion—during crunch time—Rudy penetrated, then finished with his patented floater. Nothing but net.
I hope Rudy attempts to finish more often from here on out. Sure, he’s a fine 3-point shooter with a very quick release. And he’s good at driving and dishing. But he’s also capable of finishing or drawing fouls. And the guy is deadly at the line.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Dec 3, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then there was the 5-point swing
Rudy drove to the rack, got brutally hacked and the Knicks got the bucket and one. I was shouting at the TV at that no-call.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 3, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy really needs to work on his shooting inside the 3 pt line
Distance FGM-FGA % %of total shots
Inside 6 ft 14-23 60.9% 14.4% of total shots
6 ft to 15 ft 1-13 7.7% 8.1% of total shots
15 ft to 3 pt line 8-22 36.4% 13.8% of total shots
3 pt shots 44-102 42.1% 63.8% of total shots
total 67-160 41.9%
Obviously he is having great trouble finishing contested shots inside the foul line (7.7%) unless they are lay-ups or dunks. If he routinely finished those shots in Europe the defense deep in the paint in the NBA must be considerably better than he has been used to before. Hopefully with experience he will develop better techniques to finish more of those shots.
It’s also a little surprising he hasn’t converted more medium range jump shots inside the 3 point line (36.4%). He often seems to be off balance after making a dribbling or spin move to get those shots. I’d bet he will improve at this range as the year goes on and he finds he can get these shots using moves with a little less degree of difficulty.
"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 3, 2008 1:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
He has to improve the things you say. Moreover each time his 3 shooter will be harder because defense will focus on that so he has to improve his medium range jump shot. As you say in Europe was not so difficult to him so he is struggling with the more NBA athletic players.
by cbp on Dec 3, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not terribly concerned about his medium range jump shot
I think he will discover that he is making some of those moves harder than they need to be, which sometimes leaves him off balance. Even so, he is shooting 36.4% while Brandon has shot 37.7% from that same range. I suspect Rudy could improve to about 40% from that distance, especially if he starts to get a few picks and learns to shoot off of screens from that distance.
The bigger issue is his inability to finish when driving inside the foul line (6 ft to 15 ft). He is only 1 for 13 (7.7) so far this year, while Brandon shoots 46.3. I don’t know if he can develop those moves, but it would be nice because they also often produce free-throws.
"But we need a center", Inman said. "So play him at center!" Knight yelled back. - Bobby Knight on Michael Jordan prior to the Blazers' 1984 draft pick of Sam Bowie.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 3, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this happening, children?
Chorus of young, high-voiced responses:
“Because he has to dwibble to get those shots, Uncle Dave!”
Am I saying Rudy has no handle, children?
“No, Uncle Dave! You awe saying he can’t convewt the same when he has to get his own shot as when he’s set up and just fiwes!”
And why is that, children?
“Can’t shake the defense! They awe all ovah him!”
That’s right, children. Here’s a cookie.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Though he hit one big three after a little crossover and back and forth dribbling, then just taking the contested shot :)
The exception confirms the rule. But I hope he learns to shake free in the NBA over time, which would make him so much harder to stop.
by Norsktroll on Dec 3, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was commenting
to Photographer Dave, who was watching the game with me, that the crossover fall-away three is his only bankable shot off of the dribble. Has been since the Olympics. I love that shot when it goes in but as soon as he starts missing it, it will become angry time. That’s a HARD shot!
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 3, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this could be Nate's system
that contributes to this weakness…Rudy is far more effective in the open court and free flowing play…the idea being,keeping the defense off-balance and therefore not having to be creative beyond your capabilities…In a set offense this could be, having a pick set , a slash to the hoop without the ball, back door cut, etc…..(No dribble necessary)…..It wouldn’t hurt this team to adapt it’s style to the players and take advantage of certain skills and assets they have…..For this team their greatest asset is youth (10 players deep)We should be wearing a lot of teams out (not just a depleted NY squad)….I don’t see that we have taken full advantage of that….I mean playing around the so-called big three has not proved consistently effective…so lets use that flexibility that Nate proclaimed we would do at the start of the season.
I saw a Rudy make a play (I think it was the Houston game) where he took his man behind a pick down low, didn’t get the ball the first time, but circled back around the pick (rubbed off another guy) and got the ball for a wide open 10 footer…..this is what Rudy is about…and when he doesn’t get the ball, he never removes himself from the play….total involvement and never a spectator…
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 3, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
put another way
Rudy has not trained or is not quick enough to score on the iso.
by Blazin' on Dec 3, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE Oden dunk
i really like the dunk he had in the 3rd with 4 secs on the clock. rushing the clock he grabbed the pass spun and dunked. when he can do that regularly that fast he will be unstoppable.
by riccc_l on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That dunk was better than his first two attempted dunks
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 3, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, those two attempts cost the momentum to the starting unit when they could have got a 9-0.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Dec 3, 2008 2:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The best part
Was that it was all business – no trying to rip the hoop off the backboard while bringing his knees up to the bottom of the net.
by DonkeyShins on Dec 3, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, guys
I didn’t have time to read this recap. Did Dave have anything good to say in it?
—-
We needed two wins on this trip, and we’ve already got them. DC, #3. We’re already into bonus territory.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Dec 3, 2008 12:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't waste your time
other than one bon mot about the Knicks’ shotblocking, it was the usual combination of rehashed wire service reports and quotes from GO’s Yardbarker page. Don’t bother.
I feel the same way about bonus territory. I feel like we’re already ahead. If only Brendan Haywood were playing tomorrow….
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 3, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Dave even watches the games
He just checks out the +/- stat and judges who did well accordingly, along with (like you said) some copy and pasting of the AP’s report.
Tomorrow we can see if JaVale McGee IS better than Oden or not!
Morty
by Mortimer on Dec 3, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is almost as toothy and travels as much, but didn't you as a rookie?
I saw two of their pre-season games and he was firing threes away like mad. that said, he has a wiff of marcuscambismo as far as shot blocking goes. In fact, I may have him and Camby mixed up in my head. I’ll have to get back to you after therapy
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 3, 2008 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna be happy with 2 and 3
With us winning the games we “should” win, NY and DC.
I am extremely confident we can beat the Raptors, so I have high hopes for that one, and I am not sure which Blazers will show up in Boston. Obviously, that would be a HUGE win, but I can’t say I’d be remotely shocked if we somehow lost it (or looked intimidated, young, and soft like we did last season in Boston).
Starting off with a great win in Detroit sure made the rest of the trip a LOT less daunting, didn’t it?
We take care of business tomorrow, and we’re going home with 3 and 2 and we can see the light at the end of the tunnel as far as the horrible early stretch of our schedule goes. What a start.
Morty
by Mortimer on Dec 3, 2008 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's heartening to me about Boston...
… is that this year, Brandon has made a point of taking it to guys that intimidated him/the team last year and ramming his game down their throats. Particularly Ron Artest, who shook Roy like a jar of dead sea monkeys last season. I think Roy has this one circled on his calendar too.
by zaruga on Dec 3, 2008 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’m already happy, even if we get called to the White House to consult on Iraq exit strategy and miss the game tonight. We could lose all of the next three and it will still have been a decent trip. That’s silly, to say a trip with a loss to Washington would be decent, but there it is. That Detroit win just makes everything so good.
We’re at .500 on the road, now, for the season. We are ahead of pace to win 55 games.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Dec 3, 2008 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless seems like he would be a good pick to deploy to the Middle East
and over on SacTown Royalty they keep talking about “Shock and Hawes”…
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 3, 2008 1:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I outed your asparagus fetish.
Sorry, it was an accident.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is off-topic but did you
finally decide on a HDTV, Dave? If so, may i ask what you settled on?
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 3, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Dave predicted such a thing
in a comment back on August 26th.
Best served cold, I think they say, whether it be revenge, asparagus, or garnished Cheetos.
Confession: I had to wipe the coffee of my monitor after reading that this morning.
But did you know when you wrote that:
Asparagus is also believed to have aphrodisiac properties
(from wikipedia)
And then, from http://www.british-asparagus.co.uk/superfood.php
Claimed to ‘stir up lust in man and woman’ by herbalist, Nicholas Culpepper, in the 1600s the debate has raged ever since over whether any foods actually contain aphrodisiac qualities or not. Histamine production appears to be triggered by folic acid and lack of histamines has been linked to an inability to reach orgasm in both men and women. Asparagus is high in folates so may boost abilities in this department. Traditionally eaten with the fingers, it is also a seductive eating experience!
Women might also be keen to learn that the levels of vitamin C and E present in this miracle vegetable make it great for skin, nails and hair!
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Dec 3, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Knicks newspaper websites
Don’t have ANYTHING on the game, pre, post-game, nothing. Everything is about Marbury, pathetic. I can understand that is the big story but how can you have nothing about the actual game?
by neutroticblazerfan on Dec 3, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
They are slow to post game stories...
though they sometimes (NFL, MLB Playoffs) will liveblog it. Did you check NY Daily News? They’re usually the first up. Or check the Jersey papers, especially Newark Star-Ledger (I think its njlive.com)
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 3, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Star-Ledger site
is njo.com (meaning NJ online), not njlive.
by Kaboomm on Dec 3, 2008 7:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Dave D’Alessandro (Sp?) is a great basketball writer, wherever the site is
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Dec 3, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to New York, baby
The game is merely an illusion to justify the gossip about Marbury, Lebron and Isaiah Thomas’ 14 year old daughter.
In New York, it’s all about whether you were invited to the party, who you sat next to, and what jewelry you’re significant other is wearing. They don’t care about the game of basketball. They care about a different game. They’re not small-minded in thinking that a silly basketball game matters. They have critical matters to attend to (that are even more artificial, ironically). Welcome to the Big Apple.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 3, 2008 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
For all the hype and self-congratulation, it’s amazing how much mediocrity there is in that town.
by Blazin' on Dec 3, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY! WHO ARE YOU CALLING MEDIOCRE?
I work for one of those New York newspapers, and I’ve had just about enough of your . . . oh . . . hang on . . . is that A-Rod with Madonna in public? Does he maybe have a gun in his sweatpants? . . . sorry, what was I saying?
by Kaboomm on Dec 3, 2008 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no such thing as a bad road win
I never worry about style points on the road— we’re up to .500 away from the Rose Garden which is AOK in my book. Let’s get the Wiz tomorrow and clinch that winning trip!
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 3, 2008 12:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time we were .500 on the road?
I can’t even remember.
by zaruga on Dec 3, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someday I hope to be included in one of Dave's recaps
a dog can dream can’t it?
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Dec 3, 2008 12:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He mentioned me
In a recap and a preview. I’m kind of a big deal :P
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 3, 2008 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My recap is up
If you get a chance, I talk Roy’s POW and the ugly but beautiful Knick win over at LoadedO. Another solid win-the-ones-you-should-on-paper, even-if-you-shouldn’t-have-based-on-your-play, kind of win! Different kind of challenge, but no less vital a skill in a championship (cough) season.
by torridjoe on Dec 3, 2008 1:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
GP and CWeb interview Rudy
Click on this link. Then click on the picture of Rudy with a headset on for awkward interview.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 3, 2008 2:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I <3 Joel
And the Blazers played fine, who would have ever thought I’d be mocking the concern trolls. It’s never easy to get up for an inferior team after coming off a big win. Good show.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 3, 2008 6:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You really have come over.
Isn’t so much nicer on the light side.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 3, 2008 6:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait til they throw up a stinker
It’s just that it’s hard to complain when the team is 13-6 and in first place and pretty much every player is fulfilling their roles well. Curse you Blazers!
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 3, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
we were lucky to win this game in my eyes we played terrible through the first 21/2 quarters but then the bench picked it up in the fourth quarter and got our starters the lead sorry if this has already been posted i did not have time to read all the comments
by BLAZERS#52 on Dec 3, 2008 7:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Posting and Toasting is awesome
I have no clue why they don’t get more traffic than they do.
by robrun2 on Dec 3, 2008 8:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain
why Chris Dudley was pictured on the game preview at P & T?
"I can foresee a fast-breaking second unit with Sergio, Rudy, Batum, Travis, and Joel doing a lot of damage. " - jscot. "That could be a starting lineup by itself." - Kaboomm. 12/01/08
by jorga on Dec 3, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was used to signify a glorious
time in Blazerland.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 3, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Sounds like it was a game that was good I didn’t watch. I’ve been very impressed with the help defense that past few games that i’ve seen and VERY happy with the blazers. I become frustrated, not at the winning and losing but at how we play some games. Of course, we are young and still adapting, as my gf likes to remind me that I said at the beginning of the season. I even still stand by it. It’s still a little frustrating to see that we get it some nights and others we completely forget.
I’m amused that I looked at the score and went “Cool we won!” Then I glanced at the stats that NBA provides and went “hmmm… we must have rebounded like crazy because there’s no way we won if we didn’t. that also must have been one crappy game!” I log onto BE and see “down by two” from ben and noticed that Dave said we rebounded like crazy and that saved us.
I was happy to see the W, but if I watched that game I have a feeling my gf would have been reminding me of what I said at the beginning of the season. They’re young, they’re a new team AGAIN, they’ll learn, they’ll get better.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Dec 3, 2008 9:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Joel cares,
but if he does he deserves to start. How important has he been to our success?
I can’t even begin to imagine how awesome the Blazers would be with D’Antoni at the helm. We have a team loaded with athletic thoroughbreds born to play a fast paced game but we have little idea how to even run a simple fast break.
I’m so impressed at what D’Antoni has done to this point with such an upheaval ed, broken team as the Knicks.
by TwoDeep on Dec 3, 2008 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm
glad to see that there are people out there that still believe a coaching style to match your players is an exceptionally important asset..
The Blazers have young talent on two units…this should be their most valuable asset……they could run most teams out of the building, just by continuing to be aggressive….. How many times have players been interviewed and have said that being aggressive was the key to turning the game in their favor …..So lets run an up tempo game and keep good concentration on defense….get turnovers and score some easy hoops…..Each time you have to run a set offense, it gives the defense the added advantage of being set as well….keep the defense on their heels, run the ball right up their backs…..,
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 3, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What you say exactaly!
I know there’s the saying that you have to "learn to walk before you can run’, and it may be apropos here. We are certainly only walking right now (aren’t we near to the slowest paced team in the NBA?). I’m troubled slightly that there don’t appear to be many signs that we will soon be gearing it up.
I’ve gotten the definite impression from a couple of Quickchats last year that KP does indeed envision a fast paced, running offense. Does Nate? Does that have anything to do with Nate’s contract not being extended awhile back? Probably not, but it makes me wonder.
by TwoDeep on Dec 3, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate
coaches like he played the game…..he had limitations as a player and he had to gear himself to do what he did best (slow tempo and controlled)….he has players that can do much more…yes you get turnovers, but you can offset turnovers by adding in the positives of good “D” and easy hoops……when you establish a good uptempo mindset you generally can reduce the turnovers over the long haul…biggest problem with us for up tempo (excluding good hustling "D") would be no mindset to push the ball and of course the big man outlet pass<——-doesn’t exist
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys not paying attention?
In more than one of the games I’ve been able to watch I’ve heard the announcers report that Nate is directing his guys to push it up the court and to pick up the tempo, particularly when Rodriguez is in.
The fiction of Nate being a grind it out, adverse to running style coach apparently won’t die. McMillan has nothing against running. He just insists that his players be smart about it. That they know when to push it and when to slow down, wait for the rest of the players to get down and then run the offense. Really good teams do that. The Spurs, the old Showtime Lakers, Boston during the Bird days. You don’t run just for the sake of running.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 3, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans see what they want to see.
Their favorite player can do no wrong and their least favorite player can do no right. The phenomenon holds true with opinions about coaches, opponents, refs, and fans.
by tominhawaii on Dec 3, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes a fabrication of the mind
gets mixed into a qualified opinion……it is always hard to determine how each human mind processes the data it receives…..the one thing we do know, is that everyone is unique, so creating categories is infinite …..So this thread has been lost in translation
All people that do comment in here, always have reservation on the right to second guess….And I also reserve the right to be a fan without being a fanatic……you know…the opposite of a H_ _ _ _ _
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 3, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Homer and proud of it
Chanting: We’re here, we’re homers, get used to it.
I think Shav is the best 14th man in the NBA.
I think Ike is the best 13th man in the NBA.
I think Outlaw is the best chucker off the bench in the NBA.
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
I’m not ashamed of liking all the players on my favorite team and wanting them to succeed.
by tominhawaii on Dec 4, 2008 6:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your the majority, so you don’t need that soap box to rally the troupes in here
If it’s me your after…calm down I was just teasing you…didn’t realize you were that sensitive….
I know negative comments are not well received in here, but preferring an up tempo/fast break style could hardly be deemed negative….and I have nothing against Nate….he is probably the right coach for us for now….
I never made reference to D’Antoni as a better coach, simply making a point, that sometimes you have to adjust your coaching style to fit the players you have….I think Nate is actually doing that some this year…..But he has been quite stubborn in the past….and maybe it is learning to walk before learning to run
After watching 2 Blazer teams of the past be successful with the running game, it validates that style as a successful one…So I’m still a fan of both past and present…and there is nothing wrong with wanting the team to keep progressing…..Teams will adjust to playing you, so you have to have many weapons and variations to keep from being too predictable…..
Did you ever watch Nate play the game? He coaches the way he played…and it’s perfectly understandable that he would inject that into his coaching style…He was not a marquee player, but he did his job and added value to his team……a tough minded defensive player …..But never played up-tempo
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 4, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was still kidding
I stole that chant from the gays. They say, “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it.”
I got nothing against you or other objective fans. My two pet peeves are the fans who irrationally hate a player (normally because he’s playing in front of their favorite player), and the fans who say they are a fan of the Blazers, but want to replace every guy on the roster.
I know I’m irrational but I look at the Blazers as part of my family. Shav is the cousin who dates cute girls with 90’s hair and smokes meth, Outlaw is the cousin who spends all his times with the pets in the back yard instead of with the family. Joel is the older cousin who is too mature to hang out with me, and Channing is the cousin that I think is cool, but he always leave early to go smoke pot with his friends. Even though they are flawed, they are still family.
A lot of fans think of players as commodities, and they are, but for me, having that perception of them cheapens my fandom. It’s a lot more fun for me to cheer for guys I care about, than to cheer for a bunch of mercenaries.
I don’t give a *&$% if Bosh is better than LA, LA is still the guy on want on the Blazers because I want continue watching him mature into a great NBA player. If being a homer is wrong, I don’t wanna be right.
by tominhawaii on Dec 4, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Raef is the best EC in the NBA
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's the best EC, then why get rid of it?
by tominhawaii on Dec 4, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because KP is the best GM in the NBA
I’m a homer, too, and I do it better than you.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 4, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a homer is not my role here.
Homer!
by tominhawaii on Dec 4, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not fiction
It’s history…………and it may be an idea of his to try and run more, but it doesn’t get translated out onto the floor…..So what we see in your definition of a fast break team is the actual fiction here……I have paid particular attention to variations off of Nate’s style and in no way is it a running style…..It is not even a controlled running style……It’s little or no running at all……
All teams push the ball up the floor when there is a sure fire condition that dictates they should….they would be rather foolish if they didn’t take advantage of a 3 on 1 or a scrappy defense that created turnovers and quick transition ….dribbling the ball up court at a fast pace or “pushing” is not considered being a fast breaking team
When you have a fast break philosophy it means you are looking to get the ball up court as soon as you get the rebound or turnover …….And then realizing that the fastest way to get it up court is to pass, pass, pass…this is what gets the defense on it’s heals and gives you the highest % of success….
And your right …we don’t run just for the sake of running….and because of that we don’t run…. I am not at all saying you can’t win games using Nate’s style, because you obviously can ….fast breaking or quick transition is a style we are used to seeing from successful Blazer teams of the past….and you relate that to winning a lot of games……..
it could very well be that we don’t have the players that fit a running style….so be it…..you do what you can do, and don’t try to be a fast break team, if it ain’t in the cards…..
But it is Nate’s system, so if he wants his players to stop and think before they decide to fast break…then that’s what they will do….slow it down , gather yourself and decide that the best option has already been lost ……..Instincts and gamble are part of a fast break philosophy…and you train in practice to refine it enough where the thought process doesn’t slow it down…..
'Liability on defense, is an asset on the bench" a quote from my basketball coach, who believed good defense won games and made the offense a product of it
by 67 on Dec 3, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets wait and see what happens ...
when Oden reaches his comfort zone and starts grabbing defensive rebounds by the bushell bucket. I think you will see plenty of fastbreaking by the Blazers.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 3, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni is a genius.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No more so than Nate.
Once again, the Blazers score out of a timeout, giving them just enough margin to keep Washington at bay. Portland wins another close game.
As far as I’m concerned, Nate’s record of scoring after time outs and the team’s record in OT and close games in the 4th qtr are a better testament to good coaching than D’Antoni’s ability to get team’s to run up and down the court, firing up a lot of shots. Let’s see NY’s record at the end of the season before crowning him a genius.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 3, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Donnie Walsh quote from ESPN's game recap
“The Portland Trail Blazers have a great team, it took them a long time to build it, and I can now understand all the wrath they went through on that road,” Walsh said prior to Portland’s 104-97 victory over New York, the Blazers’ fifth straight win.
by Norsktroll on Dec 3, 2008 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
interesting comment
from the guy who escaped Indiana before that rebuilding process was complete. – Elgin
He who life can no longer surprise raises his eyes, beholds a planet unknown. - Peter Gabriel
by 22baylor on Dec 3, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Seeing our jump-shooting ways got us down by seven after the first quarter we took the next logical step: shooting DEEPER jumpers.
Sounds like Congress and the bailout plans.
"I believe in [Joel]. I just love the way he plays." - Nate McMillan
by jamon51 on Dec 3, 2008 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Took the next step to shoot deeper jumpers:
It was a good step as we shot them at a 42% rate.
by TwoDeep on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not in the second quarter we didn't.
The percentage only picked up after we had gone back inside.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 4, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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