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Broussard on Bayless Transcript

With the firestorm created by this discussion yesterday, I felt it was important to transcribe the conversation that Chris Broussard of ESPN had with Gavin Dawson of 95.5 The Game this morning.

Broussard: The good thing for Portland is that this is it gives them a lot of trade bait.You know, Jerryd, he's clearly not happy, but he has to realize that he's a rookie, he's a young guy, he's got a bright future in this league. But, there are a lot of people... he... my sources tell me, and watching his game as well, that Portland's realized that he's a 2 guard. He's not going to be a guy that looks like he can convert to the point. And he's kind of a volume type shooter, like a Monta Ellis, not quite Allen Iverson, but that type of volume shooter. He's a scorer, and I don't think that... you know, they're feeling that that's not going to fit into the Blazers' plans because of the personnel that they have. So, Jerryd could be a guy you see on the move, and people differ around the league on whether Portland wants to move him. Some tell me they really like him a lot, even though they realize he's not a point. Others tell me they're a little down on him, so I don't know exactly what the truth is there, but you could hear his name in trade rumors as time goes on. And obviously, with Martell Webster on the way back soon, you're going to have a logjam at the small forward spot. So, the good thing for Portland is that it's a lot of trade bait with some young talented players. But you're going to have to make some moves at some point, because you don't need this many guys who deserve minutes.

Dawson: ESPN's Chris Broussard, a knowledge bomb for you here on 95.5 The Game, so, one way or another, the decision the Blazers come to, if they decide he's a scorer, you have Brandon and Rudy, that would indicate that maybe Bayless would be one of the more likely Blazers to be on the move as they consolidate the roster and eliminate some of those logjams?

Broussard: Yeah, I would think so.When I saw the draft, and the Blazers get Jerryd, I thought it was a great move because I thought he could play the 2 next to Brandon, with Brandon playing the point, eventually. But again, you're not going to need a volume type shooter to come into that lineup with LaMarcus and Rudy and Brandon, and Oden eventually is going to be a guy getting some more shots. So, that's the thing: Jerryd may not fit. Now, again, some people around the league say the Blazers really like him. So, he's developing, he may change his game a little bit. So it could work out. But again, that's a guy a lot of people around the league think is talented, and I think he's got a bright future in the league. So he could bring you something in return. Remember, you're gonna have to give up something to get something. So, you're gonna have to give up some of this talent to bring back what the Blazers feel like they need.

here is the link to listen to the podcast.

Seems like there haven't been any trade demands, there are just rumors that Portland doesn't think he can be a point guard. I think this clears up a lot of yesterday's confusion.

[edit: During transcription, I elimininated verbal pauses from the conversation. They were abundant and unimportant to the actual content of the interview. I would recommend listening to the audio if you want the entire interview verbatim.]

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We need to run faster just so there are more shots to go around ;-)

Even Rudy, Travis, LMA stand around a lot. So he has a point that Bayless can’t reasonably expect to see the number of shots a Rose, Mayo, Ellis, Arenas is getting even if he would play much more than now.

by Norsktroll on Dec 19, 2008 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

We need a defender at the PG slot who doesn't demand many shots.

I hear there was this Westbrook kid that was pretty good at D.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 19, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

can we swap fo him straight up?

Bayless was projected to go 4th overall but westbrook went 4th. but i think now bayless won summerleague mvp they might reconsider

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Dec 19, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

My trade proposal with OKC

Is Frye and Diogu for Chris Wilcox (the salaries match) Maybe this deal can be expanded to include Bayless and Westbrook?

If the Thunder needs a “sweetener” KP’s got draft choices and PA’s got $$$

by two4larue on Dec 19, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

bayless was a great pickup and we're lucky he fell the way he did

but I think KP’s first 2 choices were westbrook and then DJ. We just didn’t have the draft position or the assets that he was willing to part with in order to jump and get them. Both of those guys would have fit so much better with this team (not to take anything away from bayless’ game cause I think he’ll be great.

The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave

by chrischa on Dec 19, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well.

Memphis was willing to trade us 5+Cardinal+extra for Outlaw + Lafrentz

Maybe Westbrook was unreachable at 4, but reports were we turned town the trade for 5.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 19, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

Seem’s KP put a lot of effort into collaborating w/ Indiana…I think KP targeted Bayless. We could have had DJ if we had really wanted him. Westbrook, maybe not so much. Why would Seattle/OKC deal with us, being a division rival?

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Dec 19, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha

I laughed when you said rival. I mean, they are, but…

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

tehe

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Dec 19, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

but indy had the 11th pick and

dj went 9th to Cha.

Everything i have heard said that kp did not think that Bayless would be there at 11th, but by moving up to 11th, he was sure that he would get ahead of sac who would of picked a PG and gotten the last good one. I think that kp saw the situation, what everyone was projected to draft, and top top players at each position and said that if I can get up to 11, I can get one of Gordon, Westy or DJ, but probably not Bayless or Mayo, and certainly not Rose.

This draft was so kooky going in with no one having a set order, people were throwing trades around for pretty much every pick and among the confusion, KP comes out a winner.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Dec 19, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

you cant forget the "fake" trade

with Chicago as reported by ben. That was a masterpiece if true.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 19, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Also KP

said that he picked each and every pick down to #13 correctly. That means that Bayless was his target after Mayo and Rose were off the board. It’s POSSIBLE he wanted Westbrook but I doubt it. If a penetrating guard who would compliment Roy can’t get off the bench, then Russel would be gathering cobwebs. Bayless is who KP wanted did you see that grin? If Blake wasn’t playing his head off we would have seen Rex in there with big minutes by now.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 20, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It's POSSIBLE

that KP only said that so Jerryd would think he’s the guy we wanted all along, and that really KP expected, and would have been very happy with, DJ. If Charlotte takes Jerryd, KP would have probably said some of the same things about DJ when we got him. You don’t let a draft pick know that you really wanted the other guy.

I kind of doubt that KP expected Jerryd to fall so far, and I suspect he was ecstatic that he did. Another draft steal.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

YOu can't understand how happy I am (as a Kings fan)

That the Blazers snatched Bayless. The KIngs getting Jason Thompson was a coup for the franchise, and I’m always thankful of good breaks when a team like the KIngs gets them. So, in otherwords, thanks.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 21, 2008 2:55 AM PST up reply actions  

ehhh

Bayless was better than westbrook then and still now can be better

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Dec 19, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

bayless!

what’s wrong with your face dog?

by 50backflips on Dec 19, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

rare photographical evidence

of an alternate Bayless face?!?!?!?!

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Dec 19, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

must be photoshopped

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Dec 19, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

the only person he smiles for is his mama

someone musta stole into her house and jacked it

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Dec 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey

Jerryd was all smiles during the 4th quarter last night. He was the first Blazer to greet Roy during timeouts. He didn’t look like an “unhappy camper” to me

by two4larue on Dec 19, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

LIES LIES AND MORE LIES!!!

;)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Dec 19, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

here's the transcript on that pic:

photographer: ok, smile….
smile….
smile….
you know, with your lips….
sort of stretched?
can you smile for me?
(squeezes binky toy)
smile?
can you show your teeth?
there! (snap)

by LicketyBrindle on Dec 19, 2008 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

simply for the phrase…(squeezes binky toy)

by SalemORguy on Dec 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree.

There wasn’t anything concrete on Jerryd being unhappy. I just felt that after the confusion of yesterday, it would be helpful to know what Broussard is actually saying.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 19, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Mirrors what I would have said.

So much idle speculation on Broussard’s part. No information, no facts, just a reporter talking off the top of his head.

A problem we have with so many media outlets is that reporters tend to become the story, rather than reporting it.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 19, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

This post should be the color of B-Rex's jacket

Make it so

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 19, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

This interview is a bunch o' Broussard BS

This is how Broussard imagines things may be

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Dec 19, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I will be so mad if we trade Bayless. He needs to play. He is perfect with Roy.

by neBo503 on Dec 19, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

That has yet to be shown.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t.. In the limited time we’ve seen him on the court, has he even played along side Brandon?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 19, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You talkin' 'bout practice?

Bayless has been learning from Roy, during practices.

If I was KP, I’d ask Brandon if the kid has game, and keep him around if Roy gives Jerryd the thumb’s up

by two4larue on Dec 19, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I would not be pleased with trading Bayless (for anybody) unless he’s gotten some decent amount of gametime. I think that would be a big, big mistake.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 19, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless should not be traded unless he is a distraction in the locker room

Which I’m sure he isnt…bc if he has been we would have heard it by now.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 19, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

He is just working hard, practicing constantly…

We can’t keep him on the bench for years and years, but there is no need to rush to trade him at this point.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 19, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Broussard is hoping to take over for Sam Smith

good find, Cablinasian.

CB sounds like he’s talkin’ out his… umm, you know. I heard, er, he said, uh, my sources tell me, um…. if you watch him play… he isn’t a… I don’t think…

Do you actually have any factual information, CB?

Anyone have a clip of that SNL guy… I think it’s Fred Armesson, where he goes on the Weekend Update and attempts to tell his story but all he spits out is a bunch of sentence starts? Insert Chris Broussard here.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 19, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

It was very annoying to transcribe

“you know.. i think… that, you know, in the end, uh… bayless is a good, you know, talented type of not, you know, AI type, you know, but Monta scoring, you know, small guard.”

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 19, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

If anybody is making baseless, unsubstantiated comments on this issue, then it's you.

Chris Brousarrd’s sources probably ask to be remained anonymous when discussing information with him, which’d explain why his report regarding Jerryd Bayless may seem vague to ill-informed outsiders.

by AK1984 on Dec 19, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh good grief. I guess you believe everything you read or hear in the news.

Read Silkybrown’s comments above. Manipulating language as Broussard did is a time honored tradition of politicians and the media.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Dec 19, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Girl

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Dec 19, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Bluooby. Love, Annie.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Dec 19, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon, really?

What baseless, unsubstantiated comments am I making? My opinion is that CB is attempting to make a story out of nothing. To me, it sounds like he (maybe) heard some gossip, and decided to air it due to a lack of anything better to talk about. My take on it is just as likely as yours for all you and every other “ill-informed outsider” knows. What is that even supposed to mean?

This guys job is all about two things: being first and having spin.

If you want to believe that he’s having a hard time spitting out his “story” because his “source” asked to remain anonymous, that’s your naivete. His take was weak. He stuttered about as if he didn’t really know anything. He had no platform from which to truly speak as all he managed to say was what he “heard” and his opinion on it. Even if he did hear something like this from some “insider”, it’s such a non-issue that it is not news. Would you pick up an US Weekly magazine and believe that Jessica Alba and Warren Cash are splitting just cuz they wrote it? That’s exactly what this is… sports tabloid material.

If you watch SNL with any regularity, you know the skit I’m referring to, and you know it’s spot on.

I choose not to believe everything I hear and read, especially if it’s coming from paid “experts” or “professionals”. If you want to, so be it. Don’t be negative just to be negative, it’s not good for your health.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 19, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The homerism on this site is hilarious sometimes

All he really said is what we all already know: BRex isn’t a PG and there is no room for him in the lineup ATM. It also might make since to move him for an SF or actual PG.

This has been discussed hundreds of times. What is so inflammatory about that?

by AndrewD on Dec 19, 2008 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

Where's the homerism?

All the post is doing is clearing up some confusion about whether Bayless demanded a trade (in response to a huge thread yesterday). Nobody’s saying Broussard’s comments above are inflammatory.

It would be inflammatory if Bayless actually demanded a trade – as Broussard apparently said on NBA 411 during the Mike & Mike updates. As illustrated by Silkybrown, above, in this interview Broussard made a lot of statements about what could happen and what might happen and what some people think… but he didn’t really say much at all.

The only real news here is that apparently some people in the organization don’t think B-Rex can convert to PG. That’s bad news.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 19, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

some people ARE criticizing Broussard. But he didn’t do anything wrong, he just reported rumors AS rumors. He didn’t say they are facts. He said what some people are thinking Portland might do or might be thinking.

He said we might see Bayless mentioned in trade proposals by Portland. He didn’t say they are trying to trade him. He said Portland has a logjam, too many guys who deserve minutes, and included Jerryd in that.

Broussard said NOTHING WRONG. The problem here was that someone somewhere on the Internet misquoted him and turned it into a trade demand. Which was flat out dishonest.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I was a little bummed when the Blazers drafted Bayless because of all the same reasons Broussard mentions. Small 2 guards who love to score are rarely a good thing. And why wouldn’t Bayless demand a trade? I’m surprised he hasn’t already. Sergio’s agent demanded a trade and his playing time doubled. That would irritate me to no end if I was Bayless.

If Bayless doesn’t get playing time, he is going to demand a trade at some point. He seems like a guy who you either need to play (at some point this year) or trade.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 19, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

but how old is Bayless?

Maybe he learns how to do the gig. Maybe they are all happy right now, and maybe Bayless figures things out about how to be a good PG, especially if someone gets hurt and more playing time falls from the sky and hits him in the noggin. – Elgin

It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown

by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with that
And why wouldn’t Bayless demand a trade? I’m surprised he hasn’t already. Sergio’s agent demanded a trade and his playing time doubled. That would irritate me to no end if I was Bayless.

Perception is reality, and regardless of whether or not Sergio’s PT increased because of the little flare up in the press, the Blazers set a bad precedent, imo, by responding to Sergio/his agent’s complaints with more PT.

Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses

by blazeraddict on Dec 19, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

So even if Sergio was earning more time

they should have benched him to prevent “perception”.
Now that would be a really crappy way to run a team and REALLY bad precedent.

Sergio has been playing better and getting more time and his agent complained.
Treat each event as they come, in the interests of the team. For Sergio and for Bayless.

by holder on Dec 19, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah there was this former Blazer PG who never really played point in college

and he learned on the job during his first years with the team … turned out to have a pretty decent career with us … Terry Porter I think was his name … didn’t he get his jersey retired or something the other day?

by kickbrass on Dec 19, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Even crazier

TP played power forward in college … POWER FORWARD for crying out loud! But, hey if you believe half of what you read on message boards, players can’t learn to play point guard if they haven’t been a pure stockton clone since they laced ’em up in AAU.

by nikolokolus on Dec 20, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't Bayless play point in highschool

We’re talking 4 years at point and 1 at shooting guard. The kid is young.

by boppitywop on Dec 20, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Rex is a point guard or he is a washout in the NBA...

………………………… and Rex is not a washout in the NBA.

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Dec 20, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

...................................... The dude's like 6'1" -- no WAY he can cover the 6'4"-ish to 6'6"-ish shooting guards of the NBA...

………………………………………………………. ’specially with those itty-bitty little tyrannosaurus arms!

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Dec 20, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He's 6' 3"

He also has a 6’ 3.5" wingspan…

Think less T-Rex and more average human (yes, below that of superhuman athletes, but more like us…).

by Powder on Dec 20, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Jerryd Bayless: 6'1.5'' w/o shoes, 6'3.5'' wingspan

Other notables:
Jordan Farmar 6’0.75’’, 6’3’’
Luke Ridnour 6’1’’, 6’3’’
Ramon Sessions 6’2’’, 6’4.25’’
Monta Ellis 6’2.25’’, 6’2.75’’
Eddie House 5’11.5’’, 6’3.5’’
Jameer Nelson 5’11’’, 6’2.5’’

And on and on.

DraftExpress Measurements

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 21, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that these are all great players.

Just saying that it isn’t that uncommon for players to have smaller wingspans.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 21, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

For every Terry Porter there are a hundred Ben Gordons.

I’m not saying it can’t be done, it’s just highly unlikely that Bayless will ever develop into a true point guard.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget the

Tony Parker types. I think that is the player that Bayless should look to emulate. Indeed KP is trying to create a modified team based on the Spurs model. KP wants a 3 who can defend 1 thru 3 ala Bowen and hit the spot up three. Once you have that you free up your PG to score at will and get into the paint for high percentage shots. Bayless can guard the non-elite PG’s just fine and our yet to be discovered (Batum could still develop into this and possibly Martell) final piece is a 3 who can defend 1 thru 3 to take the pressure off of Roy and his back court mate. Book it.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Dec 20, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have a <3 on for JBay?

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Dec 20, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

i hope your right,

i would much rather use our resources to acquire a banger or fill a different need rather than getting another pg. Bayless/Sergio + Experience = PGs of the future.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 20, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure by his 3rd year

he’ll ask for a trade if he’s not getting any PT. He’s too smart to do it in the media, though. He’ll walk into KP’s office, and tell Nate and KP, and no one else.

But he’ll play before then, so this is pointless.

There is nothing magical about playing this year. The kid is learning. He’s in his sophomore year in college.

He got a cameo appearance early in the game recently. Look for that to happen a few more times, perhaps.

But you don’t play a rookie just because he’s going to be unhappy if he sits, and you don’t trade a top talent just because he isn’t ready to go yet. The dude is our starting PG of the future, and he knows that. He’s going to be the starting PG on a team that wins at least 2 championships, probably more. And when he becomes UFA in 8-9 years, he can write his own ticket, because he’ll be that experienced PG that we currently want, with championship experience, good defensive ability, and the threat to go off on you if you leave him open.

He’s too smart not to recognize how good he has it here. And KP is too smart to trade him, even if he isn’t ready to play much this year.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 6:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You took the words out of my mouth NVE.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Dec 20, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Jumping to conclusions......

You said, “Small 2 guards who love to score are rarely a good thing.”

Who says he is a small two guard? Because he played 2 at UA? Because he played 2 in Summer League?

 We do not know whether or not Bayless can make the transition to the 1. We do know that he seems to have all the skills to make that transition.

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Who says he is a small two guard?

Um… everyone? Have you seen him play? He ranks significantly below Iverson in PG purity, and Iverson is a borderline undersized two guard.

Jason Kidd 67
Deron Williams 62
Chris Paul 57
Billups,C 53
Mario Chalmers 49
Russell Westbrook 40
Baron Davis 40
Derrick Rose 39
DJ Augustin 37
Allen, Iverson 34
Jerryd Bayless 29
OJ Mayo 22
Eric Gordon 18

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

This scale needs a turnover first point guard category

That would be fun to discuss.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Dec 20, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I saw this scale in the summer, but where does Bayless' score come from?

I think the answer is his one year at UA where he was asked to play 2 guard. Not surprising that he would um …. score as shoot first guard. This is a garbage in/garbage out stat.

It may surprise you that many do not share your conviction nor do they base their opinion on the ridiculously small amount of real information that we have about Bayless. A little less certainty and condescension would be appreciated.

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok.

I AM basing it off one year of college. (and summer league)

What are you basing your opinions off of? Do you have private workout sessions with Bayless in which he shows you all he sweet PG skills? As of yet Bayless has never shown himself to be anything but an undersized 2 guard. Maybe he will someday. I sure hope he develops some of those skills, because it would make everything a lot more simple.

BTW, I do think Bayless is currently the Blazers best hope for the future.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Scale graphic is pretty but it's GIGO, baby...

…………………………… There are 3 kinds of PGs: Shooters, Passers, and Crashers.

Blake is a shooter.

Sergio is a passer.

Rex is a crasher.

Whatcha need?

t

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Dec 20, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

agree to disagree.

Please don’t call me baby… it’s creepy.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He's got the physical capability

He’s got the desire to be a PG.

He’s got the intelligence to be a PG.

He’s got the coaching to be a PG.

He’s got the work ethic to be a PG.

Conclusion: He’ll be a PG, even if he isn’t now. If Stephen Curry can make himself into a PG while going to college and with college coaching, Jerryd Bayless can make himself into a PG when working on it full-time with NBA coaching. Book it.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I plan on having a good "last laugh."

It is amazing to me that folks can’t see the obvious:

JBay does not have the skills to be a successful SG at the NBA level. He is not long enough to defend top quality SGs. He will have trouble getting his shot off against long armed SGs.

JBay does have the physical attributes to be a successful PG. What he needs to learn is how to use those attributes to play the most difficult position on the floor. He needs to learn how to make decisions. He has the brains, he just needs experience and coaching.

I do take comfort in the fact that you, and I, and the other JBay enthusiasts out here have an excellent chance of having the last laugh in a year or two when Bayless blossoms.

by upper left corner on Dec 21, 2008 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The most troublesome part of that

is I HATE it when timbo is right….

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

"Um... everyone? Have you seen him play?"

Actually, none of us have seen him play in the NBA. This PG purity scale is ridiculous, purely for that reason. What is his score based on? Summer League, where he played the 2? One season of college ball where he was playing the 2? What’s the point?

We don’t need a pure PG. We need a guy who can play off the ball (that’s like a 2), bring the ball up against pressure (anyone think he can’t?), and defend PGs (which is irrelevant to whether he’s a pure PG or not).

This kind of analysis is irrelevant for OUR PG situation. We don’t need a traditional PG. If Rudy could defend the 1 effectively, he might be our PG. Brandon changes the whole picture.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think bayless will be a good player

but i havent seen enough to say that he has the SKILLS to make the transition to 1. he just seems a little lost out there on the court at times. instead of making him something he isnt…why dont we just let him excel at what he is good at and add layers to his game like trout has over time? i don’t really care if he isnt a true point…just let him focus on penetrating. don’t put too much pressure on him and let his confidence grow. then he can expand his game to areas that suit his strengths or the needs of the team. if he can become a good facilitator…then great! if not…he will just be a change of pace guy for the team (kinda like colleges that run the 2 qb system).

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 20, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing imflammatory.

But also nothing newsworthy. The guy is a reporter, part of whose job is to express himself, both writing and speaking, with words. From the transcript, he says a whole lot of nothing. I expect that out of a politician, not a reporter. Actually, these days I do expect it out of a reporter.

Remember that Broussard was attributed with the rumor / story of Bayless demanding a trade. Instead of telling us that someone is in error because he never said a thing, or acknowledge that yes, he’s learned that Bayless has asked for a trade. Instead we get so much wasted breath.

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by timg56 on Dec 19, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you, since the attacks on Chris Broussard's character reek of blinded homerism.

All Broussard did here was report a story, which’d be affirmed if his anonymous sources would be willing to name themselves. Of course, those sources have jobs in front offices throughout the NBA and, in turn, can’t reveal who they are in this instance.

by AK1984 on Dec 19, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The sources are the issue

He basically says, if I am understanding his words right, that his sources tell him we are happy with him. Then he goes on to say that his sources seem to think we aren’t and that me may be looking to move him. So which sources are correct and/or reliable in Broussards eyes on this issue? They can’t all be right, seeing that they disagree with each other.

Did Broussard say or not say that Bayless demanded a trade?" That was the original issue. Now it has morphed into "There are some sources saying we love Bayless, and there are other sources saying that we’re not so much in love with Bayless.

Which sources are the reliable ones? And, are those the ones Broussard is quoting?

Did KP blow it by getting Bayless? There is no way we can know that yet. KP definitely had him targeted and well scouted. KP isn’t perfect, but I do believe KP knew exactly what he was getting in Bayless. We aren’t even 2 months into the season yet, and it is being spun to sound like Bayless will simply never be a point guard. I scoff at the scoffers on this one. He has all the tools to be as good of a pg as he wants to be. Now, it is mostly a matter of experience, mindset, and repetition. If Bayless has the desire, and I believe he does, he can be a pg in this league.

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by silkybrown on Dec 20, 2008 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Broussard is quoting both kinds of sources

He probably doesn’t know which is reliable. So he honestly admits that some people are saying one thing, and some another. Good for him. It would be foolish for him to fall on one side or another unless he knows for certain, and it would be dishonest to only tell one side of the story when he can’t know for sure it is true.

I’ve got a pretty good idea who these sources are, though. They are other GMs. KP is known for constantly working the phone lines and proposing possible trades. Some of those trades undoubtedly include packaging Bayless and someone else for Devin Harris. Rod Thorn obviously says “No,” KP moves on, and Thorn tells Broussard, “Portland is giving up on Bayless.”

The next trade proposal is for LeBron, and KP tells Ferry, “Well, I really wasn’t thinking about including Jerryd in this,” so Ferry gets off the phone, and tells Broussard, “Portland is really high on Bayless.”

OK, silly examples, because I just have this little feeling KP would be willing to include Jerryd in a package for LeBron. I’m not sure why I think that, but it will probably come to me.

But the point is, KP is working the phones all the time, and in some of those conversations, he may be saying how high he is on Jerryd simply to prop up his trade value, while in others he may be actually proposing trading Jerryd, even if the deal would never fly, which gives the impression we’re giving up. In fact, he may be telling someone that Jerryd is really a 2 because that is what they need, rather than a PG.

Who knows who these sources are? Probably most of them are telling the truth, as far as they know it. Probably Broussard is telling the truth as far as he knows it. And someone blew it up into a trade demand.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I forgot

I also scoff at the scoffers. Bayless will turn himself into whatever kind of player Nate wants him to be, so he can get a sniff of some PT. If hard work and determination and practice could turn him into a low-post banger, and that’s what Nate wanted, Jerryd would be bulking up and working with Luke every day.

Bayless won’t just be a PG, he will be OUR PG, the perfect match for Brandon. Barring injuries, you can book that.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 6:28 AM PST up reply actions  

On the contrary, I'm think that a sharp-shooting, defensive-minded off guard would work ...

best next to Brandon Roy in the Portland Trail Blazers’ backcourt; that rules out Jerryd Bayless.

A 100% healthy, thoroughly effective Kirk Hinrich looks to me like someone who’d fit that mold.

by AK1984 on Dec 20, 2008 6:43 AM PST up reply actions  

There has been no such thing

as a 100% healthy, thoroughly effective Captain Kirk for a year and a half, now. This year, he fails the health test, last year he failed the effective test.

I’d take a young, healthy Terry Porter with 4 years of experience, but that doesn’t exist, either.

Bayless is a good shooter (not great, but good), and also good driving it to the rack if left open, which is something we can use. He’ll draw fouls and get to the free throw line. And working with a good shooting coach will turn him into a better shooter than Hinrich by his third season, even if Hinrich ever returns to form.

And Bayless has the tools and desire to be a good defender of PGs, and so he will be. Doubt me? I’ll blow you away with this simple fact. Nate & co have managed to turn Sergio Rodriguez into a reasonable defensive player by this, his third year. If they can do that, they can turn Bayless into a good one within the same time frame.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

They got Surge to be adequate on D.

Powerful point.

JB’ll be better.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Dec 20, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I still think Kirk is on the top of the list.

Hinrich is a better 3 point shooter than Blake (4 out of the last 7 years), and he’s a much better perimeter defender than any of our current point guards. Historically Blake has been a streaky 3 point shooter (27% in 06-07), so I’m not sure if he can even maintain his current production.

For all the talk that the Blazers looking at off guards to play next to Roy, they sure haven’t done it much. Blake and Sergio are pure as the driven snow. Jack was traded and Bayless doesn’t play (despite his obvious talent). A combo guard could work, but not just a small 2 guard.

I think Kirk Hinrich would be almost perfect. At 27 he’s only just entering his prime and probably undervalued due to the Bull’s losing woes. It’s going to be interesting once he and Webster are both healthy.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow

So Hinrich is better 4 out of the last 7 years. That means Blake is better 3 out of the last 7, I guess. Anyone want to bet that Blake makes it 4 out of 8 this year?

Blake has been very consistent last year and this year. He had an awful year, but it was a very unsettled year for him.

You may be correct that Hinrich would be better, but you weren’t exactly persuasive that he’s a better shoter from distance.

Hinrich is currently a better defender. I’m pretty high on Bayless surpassing him.

The Blazers traded JJ because he wasn’t good enough. Bayless will be much better.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe.

If the Blazers don’t want Hinrich it will be because of price and not skill. Hinrich has been more consistent 3 point shooter than Blake. I would also argue that Blake probably gets more open looks on the Blazers than Hinrich ever got with the Bulls. But it doesn’t matter much as they are both pretty dynamite from long range. The Blazers are starved for perimeter defense and having a guy like Hinrich would help. I can’t think of any other PG of his defense caliber that is even available. Hopefully Bayless just steps up and this will all be a moot point.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 21, 2008 1:06 AM PST up reply actions  

if hes quoting sources

he is just as responsible as the source…if not he is more responsible because he has a forum to speak out to.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 20, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That makes sense to me.

You’re right, homerism is adversely affecting objective thinking.

Bayless is a 2 guard. We have no room at the 2 guard spot. Bayless evidently has an intense personality and wants to play. Not playing is likely not acceptable to him and maybe will start eating on him as as time goes on (if it hasn’t already). Bayless would be a small 2 guard and KP has stated before that he likes tall guards.

IMO, Bayless is the guy we should be trading …. not Outlaw. Broussard’s story should not be a surprise. We didn’t get anything more concrete from him ‘cuz maybe as AK1984 pointed out, he can’t reveal sources.

Instead of considering all the factors, we choose instead to immediately flame Broussard.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Dec 20, 2008 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Trades

I think Bayless’ fate here depends more on Sergio/Blake than it does with him. I feel more or less the same way with Trout. I think Bayless will be successful on this team as long as Nate can properly cut out a role for him that fits him. I don’t know if we can make him into something he currently isn’t while keeping wins and playoff spots as our main priority in the years to come. Most of the fan base wants to win now, and I don’t know if they’d be willing to sacrifice wins to develop another player.

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 20, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly...

We all wany Bayless to develop into a succesful point guard, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he will be able to do that. Yes he is motivated, yes his work ethic is great, but is that all it takes to be an nba point guard? He simply hasn’t ever played the position. He was likely a sg in high school, he was a sg in college, and he was a sg in the summer league. All of his success has come playing the 2. I see no logical reason to think that he will just learn the pg position in a year or two. How many point guards in the nba came into the nba with no experience at that position? If Bayless is going to be a good point, it will be a very long uphill battle for him. I think you look at moving him while his value is high unless you are willing to wait 3-4 years for him to develop….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Dec 21, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

He dones't neet to be an NBA point guard

He just needs to be able to defend an NBA point guard and play like a shooting guard when Roy handles the ball.

"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'

by tominhawaii on Dec 21, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

ya, I hear that....

I just don’t buy it really. I think Roy is going to play better with a pass first facilitator rather than being relied on to score and facilitate. I am sure Roy could run the offense just fine with a combo guard scorer type, but I don’t believe it would be the best road to success. He has done that Rudy a bit and it really hasn’t been very succesful. That tandem plays better with Blake or Sergio running the point and one of them moving to sf. I think Roy would benefit from a guy that can set him up, as well as relieve some of Roy’s duties of setting up others. I guess I am simply not a fan of having Roy running the point full time offensively….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Dec 21, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

"All Broussard did here was report a story, "

I think the concern is that it appears that Broussard did not report a story as much as he invented a story.

by raoulduke on Dec 20, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

He didn't

He reported that he was getting conflicting accounts on Bayless from his sources, and that some people think Bayless might be on the trading block before long. Nothing surprising there AT ALL. He reported it straight.

The problem is that other people invented a story and attributed it to him.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey Andrew, do you live in Vegas?

And have a dad named Phillip?

-Tyler

Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!

by Quik_Baller on Dec 19, 2008 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we know, what you say, we know.....

Do we really know that JB is not a PG? I don’t think so.

We do know that he is not yet a confident and smooth distributor. However, he has a good handle, he has great foot speed, he looks like he has all the tools to become a good defender at the one. He actually has shown flashes of being a pretty good passer. I would say that what he lacks is confidence and decision making skills as a facilitator.

Most of the “JB is not a PG” meme is based on very little analysis of his skills and a lot of subjective BS about his supposed “selfishness” or “shoot first” mentality. Most of this is based on him having played the “2” at AU and the fact that he had no one to pass to in summer league. If you, or others, disagree, I would love to read some actual analysis or evidence to suggest that JB cannot become a quality PG. He seems to have the physical skills, the work ethic, and a burning desire to succeed. What do you think is missing?

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been beating that drum for a while

but a lot of people aren’t listening.

I think it’s time to let them continue in their errors for a while, so that in a year or two we can say, “See, I told you so.” They deserve it.

None of this was really an issue until Summer League. Go back and look, and everyone thought, “Oh, he’s a combo guard, just what we need next to Roy.” Then, he scored too effectively in SL, and all his passes were going to guys with worse hands than Joel had two years ago, so he quit passing, and just scored and scored. And everyone decided he was “me-first”, “not a PG”, etc.

He’s a combo guard, just like Jarrett. JJ’s style was perfect for next to Brandon, and they were effective. JJ’s problem was too many turnovers, and not effective enough from 3. Bayless will be better from 3 than JJ was, he’ll be better at driving to the hoop, he’ll be as good at drawing fouls, and he has better lateral quickness so he will be a better defender than JJ.

Nobody called JJ a 2, he was a combo guard. So is Bayless, and he’ll be working particularly on those PG skills. He’ll succeed.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Dec 20, 2008 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

At a minimum, JBay is a souped-up Jack

Better defense, better on the break, better to the rim, hopefully better at catching and shooting from 3.

I just don’t see where people are getting the “selfish” stuff. This seems to be some sort of urban legend that floats around the Internet.

Hope you will take a look at my post below about PG defense.

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

We need a combo guard, not an undersized 2 guard.

Purity Scale
Jason Kidd 67
Deron Williams 62
Chris Paul 57
Billups,C 53
Mario Chalmers 49
Russell Westbrook 40
Baron Davis 40
Derrick Rose 39
DJ Augustin 37
Allen, Iverson 34
Jerryd Bayless 29
OJ Mayo 22
Eric Gordon 18

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

How is this worth anything?

What is the criteria? What are the ratings for each of the criteria? Who did the ratings?

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 20, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

So he played like a 2

when he was, you know, playing the 2 guard position in college. OK, whatever.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG

hello? I expect the national media to be too stupid to see that Roy is a big combo guard who needs a mirror image combo guard (PG size fast enough to guard PG’s, Spot up shooter and penetrator) to be his back court mate. Steve Blake is doing an incredible job as a spot up shooter and a pretty good job at setting up the hot hand and running the offense. He is not playing great D but he is playing about as well as he can and his penetration is non-existant. With Blake’s stroke from 3, veteran experience and ability to recognize and set up the hot hand we are getting fewer minutes to develop our young talent. Sergio and Roy play ok together but not alot better then Blake and Roy if better at all. Sergio’s real talent lies in a fast tempo group like our second unit where he controls the tempo and pace while doing what he does best with his fantastic court vision. Bayless clearly has the best chance of the three at being an ideal back court mate for Roy.

What Bayless needs is to work on his handle, his spot up outside shot and most of all at learning our plays and working on the penetration with pass off like his set up of Przybilla vs. Sac Town. If Bayless can do those things he will eventually replace Blake as the starter. What he does NOT need to do is be a pure point guard that dribbles for 75% of the clock ala Billups, CP3 or Calderon. He needs to be a bit like Parker and a bit like Harris. Great D, penetration and nailing the outside shot. If we got CP3 we would be taking away from what Brandon does according to….BRANDON!

I think when you wrote Homerism what you meant to say was informed fandom.

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by Idog1976 on Dec 20, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said.....

…. of course, I think your comment is brilliant because I agree with everthing you said! ;-)

by upper left corner on Dec 21, 2008 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Last night

I was at the game and noticed Bayless was the first off the bench every time slapping high fives to his teammates coming off the floor. Maybe he saw this report and was trying to prove he was happy to be here…
However, I am not a big Bayless fan. I don’t doubt he will be a player in the League but he’s one of those guys who needs the ball in his hands to be effective, and that is not what the blazers need from the point guard position. I can see him becoming an excellent player, one who puts up great numbers and earns a big contract somewhere else, but I don’t see him as a key component to our future championship runs. To me he is the most expendable guy on the team (besides frye and diogu) and has great value. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by the start of next season. This season was to see the development of our young guys on the court and let them define their own roles. After the season I think KP will sit down and see who were the major contributors and hopefully trade some of the young players who weren’t part of the rotation to bring in an elite point guard and maybe a small forward. I wouldn’t trade anyone during the season, but I could see KP making a couple major moves next summer.
Next year we need to have smaller rotation, which will leave many guys expendable. That will be determined by how they play for the rest of this year.

by Blazas! on Dec 19, 2008 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

Hmmm, where to begin?

1. There aren’t any “elite point guards” to bring in. They’re all being used, and jealously guarded. You’ve gotta draft ‘em and develop ’em. Last year’s try was Green and that was a washout. This year’s try is Rex, and he looks like a keeper…

2. KP isn’t needing a SF. He just extended Marty, he’s the Blazers’ guy. They’ve got Batum as their Poor Man’s Tayshaun to develop. That doesn’t even raise the fact that they’ve got Travis. The hole is at the backup 4, where they’ve got, ummmm, Small Forward Travis out of position, or Channing “DNP-CD” Frye, or ummmm, Ike Diogu.

I guess that’s everything.

t

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Dec 19, 2008 9:07 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Amen

I’m still miffed that KP passed on Leon Powe in the draft. Being a Pac-10 fan, he was a force at Cal. I would have liked him on our squad. He would have made LMA better too, by guarding him in practice.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Dec 20, 2008 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I just rec'd timbo

but the world will survive, it actually happened before a couple times.

Can’t rule out the possibility that we MIGHT get a PG by trade — weird things happen when teams decide they are in financial trouble, or they aren’t contenders anymore and decide to blow it up.

But in all probability, we won’t get a PG by trade. And in all probability, we have the answers at SF on the roster. And it appears that we don’t have the answer at backup PF on the roster. Which means timbo is right.

And in all probability, that will be addressed in the draft or by a free agent acquisition.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 20, 2008 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I KNOW WHAT THIS IS!!!

A BUNCH OF MADE UP CRAP!!!

I see nothing to indicate that he can’t play point and nothing to support that either he wants out or that we don’t think he fits.

by Qyntel Woods on Dec 19, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

Bingo

It’s way too soon to make a definitie call on this guy. All I know is I like what I’ve seen so far, and even if he isn’t the prototypical pass first PG, he could still work out for Portland because so much of the halfcourt offense flows through B Roy. I just want to see him on the court more, so we know what’s there.

Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses

by blazeraddict on Dec 19, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

We've seen nothing to indicate he can play point.

Even in summer league.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Dec 20, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

"Even in summer league"??????????

Give me a break. Playing the “2” next PK, with a bunch of stone-handed stiffs? This is your evidence??

Instead of jumping to conclusions based on very little information, try actually looking at whether or not Bayless has the mental and physical skills to play PG in the NBA:

He has the foot speed, the strength, the handle, the driving ability, the shooting ability, and he appears to be able to make some pretty decent passes. What he appears to lack is the knowledge and experience to make good decisions. Given that he is a very bright guy, why do you think he can not learn this aspect of the game?

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to be able to see the floor.

How many times have we seen that written? It’s a special ability to be able to see, and digest the rapid action occurring on the court and reacting accordingly. It’s more of an innate ability as opposed to one that can be developed. Brandon Roy has that in spades. So did Larry Bird. Bill Walton too … and many others. Sergio is promising because he sees what is going on around him. I think Blake does too to a fairly good degree.

Bayless simply has not shown any of us that ability …. period. Not in the least.. Everyone seems to be hanging there hats on the fantasy that “because he’s such a great athlete” he will be able to develop those skills. But being a great athlete has little to do with court awareness. In the 2nd or 3rd game of summer league they kept Petteri on the bench and told Bayless to play the point guard role. He failed miserably and had to go back to his ball-hawking ways. No one believes more than myself that summer league performances are a poor indicator of talent. But most everyone seems to have built up such high expectations on Bayless’ summer league play and so I felt inclined to point out that summer league incident. .

Plain and simply, Bayless has yet to show any evidence (at least to we fans) of possessing point guard skills. My contention therefore is that he is a superb athlete, but is destined to play as a short 2 guard..

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Dec 20, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Jameer Nelson, Jordan Farmar.

The list goes on. Players take a long time to learn the point guard position. We can’t say he is destined as a 2. There have been many players who had issues with the point. It is something that can develop. Ask Chauncey Billups.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 20, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless hasnt shown he has good vision

but i don’t think thats why we drafted him. to me, he is a carbon copy of jack as far as play styles. he can hit the open jumper, and he can slash. jack has been in the league for a bit now and it didn’t seem like he could improve on some of his weaknesses. bayless has the youth and with experience can be everything jack was and more. even if he still has the same weaknesses as jack (which i doubt), as long as he doesn’t stop out of bounds once a game, and if he can finish a fast break i’ll be more than happy.

jack was not really a good distributor, and he didn’t have good vision, but he played pretty well alongside roy. hell…even blake has slowly transformed from more of a floor general to a spot up scorer. maybe thats just what brandon’s sidekick needs?

Honor Terry Porter

by Philthyanimal on Dec 20, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

The difference is that Blake is a spot-up shooter, and Jerryd will be a spot-up scorer.

That, and Jerryd will eventually be a better defender.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not buying PG "mysticism"

You act as if seeing the court and passing the ball are some kind of mystical gift. I’m not buying. There may be a few players who have a special talent for the position, but we don’t need Bayless to become Stockton, Magic, or even Nash.

We need Bayless to become a competent distributor: he needs to recognize the tendencies of the opposing defense; he needs to learn where his teammates need to receive the ball to be effective; he needs to learn Nate’s offensive plays well enough so that they are second nature to him. We need him to learn how to use his “gift” for penetrating to break down opposing defenses and then find the open player when help comes. We don’t need mystical powers. We need learned competence.

Learned competence comes from a combination of having the basic physical skills to play the position and being smart enough to learn how to be effective. Bayless has the speed, strength, balance, athleticism, handle to be a good point. He has the brains. What he lacks is the experience to make good decisions as a distributor.

I don’t know how good he will be, but I have seen enough to be extremely confident that he will at least be a rotation player in this league. I am willing to bet that he will have a long career as a starter somewhere in the league. As many others have argued, his skills seem to have the potential to be complementary to BRoy.

This isn’t about mystical powers, it is about observing the skill set of the player and projecting what they will be able to accomplish when those skills are combined with experience.

by upper left corner on Dec 21, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Time

We cant really tell if Bayless is the guy right now because he is getting few minutes. Nate isnt going to put him in during close games….yet so its hard to see his true potential. only time and patience will show if he’s the man. Personally i think he can really help the team later down the road

Gooooo Trailblazers!

by BleedBlack&Red on Dec 19, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Bayless is a PG. He's not big enough to play SG in the NBA, period. And Portland seems VERY clear on this...
Portland’s realized that he’s a 2 guard. He’s not going to be a guy that looks like he can convert to the point.

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by timbo on Dec 19, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

depends on your definition

he’s not going to be Steve Blake or Sergio. He has different strengths. I believe that he can fit well in the backcourt if he plays to certain strengths (defense, quickness, ballhandling, creating off the dribble) and defers to Roy in his weaker “pg” areas (running the offense, passing). He will defnititely need to improve in some ways to be a better catch-and-shoot player and improve his court vision, but he doesn’t have to be Chris Paul to be a huge asset to the team, especially if he really becomes a pesky defender.

by kickbrass on Dec 19, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

agree

i cant see bayless being used as a traditional PG, broy said at the time of drafting that he like bayless since he thought bayless would be able to play off him at some point in the future.

bayless’ biggest strengths will be defense and scoring to some degree…….

by Yawnie on Dec 19, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

defense and scoring, huh?

Putting up points and keeping the opponents from getting points will be his strengths? How is that ever going to help us win, though?

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by Clevelander among roses on Dec 19, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It's worth saying though

That if he is in the mold of Brandon Roy, we should be very excited about that. Considering Roy’s skillset, If Roy was quicker, he’d be one of the elite point guards in the league. As it is, he would struggle to defender quicker point guards. So……… enter Jarryd Bayless, who is quicker than Roy, possibly more atheletic than Roy, who can shoot the ball pretty well, and get to the hoop. That is some great point guard potential, don’t you think? It is just a matter of getting some experience, developing court awareness, and knowing how to be a floor general. It isn’t too far-fetched to think he has a good shot of acheiving those things is it?

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by silkybrown on Dec 20, 2008 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Not against shooting guards, who are often too bulky and big for him

But against point guards. Brandon said it in interviews over the summmer/training camp and named him one of the top defenders on the team recently. The guys from DraftExpress said it, too:

Summer league: “Defensively, Bayless played very well at times, but was forced to be less aggressive in this area by the refs who were calling things very closely”
NCAA: Defensively, Bayless shows a lot of potential, not just with his tools, but with the commitment he’s displayed to competing on this end of the floor. He has excellent lateral quickness, clearly having received some solid coaching on this part of his game early on his career. His awareness isn’t always the best (looking a bit lost trying to find his man in transition for example), and he lacks some strength to get through screens defending the pick and roll at times—taking too wide an angle to avoid contact, but considering his age and huge offensive role on the team, it’s hard to nitpick too much here.
“Defensively, the freshman has lockdown potential for an NBA point guard.”

I’m ready to admit it isn’t his biggest asset and pales in comparison to his ability to score driving to the basket, but our current point guards are not lockdown defenders either.

by Norsktroll on Dec 20, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but who are you going to believe?

Brandon and the guys at DraftExpress, or AK?

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by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The guys at DraftExpress didn't give Jerryd Bayless a ringing endorsement on defense.

In fact, two of Bayless’ listed weakness there are his inability to defend shooting guards in man-to-man situations and his difficulty at fighting through screens — which’ll cause him getting burned whenever trying to stop the pick-and-roll — also, the dude’s extraordinarily small wingspan prevents him from effectively closing down the passing lanes.

by AK1984 on Dec 22, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

extraordinarily small wingspan?

Hyperbole? Because there are a lot of NBA guards with similar wingspans who are very successful.

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by Cablinasian on Dec 22, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not hyperbole, dude.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=ASC&draft=0&pos=&sort=5

There’s several reasons regarding why Jerryd Bayless’ most apt comparisons are Monta Ellis and Jay Williams, with his itty-bitty wingspan being one such reason.

by AK1984 on Dec 24, 2008 4:46 AM PST up reply actions  

This is great news. Now maybe Nate can realize the second units offense is looking dead with Sergio out there.

I mean am I the only one that notices when Sergio is out there the lead is always in danger. This guy tries to drive and kick on every play or throw a lob, and defenses have figured it out. That means he has to look to score, which is why Bayless should be in there. With Rudy and Bayless in the game you have to real offensive threats, including Travis. With Bayless you get another guy like Rudy not afraid to attack the rim.

by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 20, 2008 2:41 AM PST reply actions  

We all know that we need perimeter defense......we can score :)

…so if Bayless is as good at defense as advertised ( by KP himself ), then KP must be showcasing Sergio. Because he’s grooming Batum right now ( mainly for his defense ) for the future…so why not Bayless ( for his defense ).

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that there’s a package deal coming involving Sergio &_________? or Sergio & Raef’s contract ………for a good backup 4.

I wish he could pull off…….David Lee &_________? ( we know that the Knicks want Sergio and more salary cap ). And besides the players available in 2009 won’t really be much help to us compared to a good 4 via trade.

by roy2rudy on Dec 20, 2008 3:13 AM PST reply actions  

...and if Bayless didn't work out...KP could package him & Webster or Travis for a good PG

Either way we know that we need to begin to finalize our rotation roster so they can grow together. Also, Frye is a great guy…but…….let’s face it we need a bruising PF. Plus a 2 for 1 would help reduce our rotation players. Because Rudy & our remaining SF’s need more PT. JMO

by roy2rudy on Dec 20, 2008 3:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Much Ado About Nothing

The youngest player on the roster is on the travelling squad but not getting many minutes. But the reason is that unlike in Miami, Oklahoma City, Memphis, San Diego, Charlotte, New Jersey or Minnesota, he’s playing on a much better team that is deeper at every position. If Webster had been healthy, the rumor mongers would be saying the same thing about Batum. Right now, the Blazers have been giving three rookies substantial playing time, and at PG, Sergio, in his third year, has been playing ahead of Bayless. And this is with a coach that, like most coaches, prefers to use players with NBA experience and to bring rookies along slowly. Particularly when we’re talking about the most difficult position on the floor – which is point guard.

The practical fact is that the Blazers are a much better team than any of those who drafted early. You might judge Bayless by considering how many minutes he’d be getting in Phoenix, LA, Cleveland, NY, Orlando, New Orleans, San Antonio, Dallas or the like – because the Blazers belong in that group of teams, not the rest. If you did that, you’d realize that no one can draw any conclusions at all about how the Blazers feel about Bayless, nor about his future with the team.

Playing point is not merely a matter of having physical skills, it’s also a matter of knowing the playbook and the players, and understanding everyone’s strength’s and weaknesses. The fact that Bayless is being schooled, and that the Blazers can take the time to do that means only that we will have to wait to see where his future lies.

Those that say he cannot play opposite Roy, for example, are stating a personal opinion that has nothing to do with anything that has come out of the Blazer’s organization. We know he’s an excellent athlete with a superb work ethic, and that with only one year of college ball under his belt, that he can and will improve his game. It’s a long season, and, eventually, Bayless will get minutes.

Right now, however, Sergio and Blake are playing ahead of him. The only truth to any of this speculation is that at some point, the issue of Blake vs. Sergio vs. Bayless will need to be resolved, given that each of these players have a future in the league, and none of them are likely to remain as the third team PG. People will speculate, of course, as to what transpires over time at the PG. Every one of these players will be rumored at one time or another to be part of some trade. Indeed, if the trade is for another PG, two of these players will be rumored to be on the trading block.

But Bayless – he’ll be fine. KP is an excellent judge of talent – and Bayless is talented.

by Eben Calder on Dec 20, 2008 5:38 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

As usual, you are making sense....

I see no indication that the Blazers are anything but pleased with Bayless. The limited information about his play in practice suggests that he is doing well and demonstrating an incredible work ethic.

See my post below for my thoughts on the longer term issue. You are right that the current situation will have to be resolved at some point. One of the three is likely to be traded before next season. Bayless will be patient for qa while but not forever. If he is as good as I think he will be, I hope JBay is one of the two that sticks around.

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I get so tired of people focusing, almost exclusively, on the offensive end of the floor. DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE.....

What the PTB need (other than a back-up PF) is somebody who can defend the opposing PG. Team defense starts with picking-up the guy with the ball, that is usually the PG. We need somebody with the foot speed, the upper-body strength, and the aggressive attitude to play nasty on-ball defense. We need somebody who can get back in transition, find their guy and then disrupt the opposing teams ability to get into their half-court offense.

To my eye, neither Blake or Sergio are ever going to be good defenders:

Blake doesn’t have enough foot speed. In order to keep his guy from blowing by, he has to stay well off of his man. That opens up all the passing lanes and allows the opposing PG to dribble to any point on the floor.

Sergio seems a little bit quicker than Blake, but he too struggles to stay between his guy and the basket. In addition, he lacks upper-body strength. He can’t “body” anyone. He can’t keep the opposing PG from getting to where they want to get on the floor and he can’t get close enough to cut-off the passing angles.

To my eye, Bayless is the guy who has a chance to become a very good defender. He has excellent foot speed, tremendous upper body strength, and outstanding athleticism. He also has “attitude.” Bayless is the kind of guy who wants to get in the opposing players shorts. He wants to play tight and aggressive. This is annoying and disruptive. It makes it hard for the opposing PG to get where they want to get on the floor, and it cuts down on passing angles. JB will get burned at times by playing too tight, but with time he will learn.

None of these three guys is currently a complete offensive player: Blake can’t penetrate, Sergio can’t finish and neither is great at creating their own shot. JB is not yet a smooth and confident distributor. But I don’t see any reason why he can’t develop better decision making skills with more time on the floor.

Some argue that Bayless is a selfish “shoot first” player who will never become a PG. Based on what? Primarily because he played at the SG at AU and because he didn’t have anyone to pass to in Summer League. That seems like pretty flimsy evidence to me. We know several things about Bayless: he is quite smart; he has a tremendous work ethic; he is a fierce competitor. We have seen nothing from him that suggests that he is not willing to reign in his scorers mentality to earn playing time on the floor. In fact, I would suggest just the opposite. What I see in the garbage minutes he gets is a scorer who is trying to figure out how to get his teammates involved. He frequently hesitates to drive or shoot because he is trying to be a “true” PG. It is going to take time for him to develop the decision making skills necessary to be a good distributor, but he appears to have all the physical and mental tools necessary.

Bottom Line: we don’t know of JB is the PG of the future. Fans have seen very little. Most of what we have is masturbatory speculation. However, I think JBay has tools that neither Blake or Sergio possess, particularly at the defensive end.

Anybody out there care to discuss PG defense?

To my eye, Bayless, above everything else, looks like a guy who can learn to defend the “1.” More than anything else, that is what this team needs. We need somebody with enough foot speed, upper body strength, and enough aggression to play nasty on-ball defense; somebody who can disrupt the other teams ability to get transition baskets and their ability to get into their half court offense

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2008 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

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by jscot on Dec 21, 2008 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Plenty of room for Bay Bay

Whats up folks, I’m a long-time lurker, first time poster on any blog ever and I felt obligated to come to Sexy Rexy’s defense.

First off, I promise to never speculate on possible trades for Chris Paul or Deron Williams. I do not promise to never speculate on possible trades for Devin Harris. As a pround Wisconsin Badger alumnus I have fond memories of spotting D-Ha on campus with his harem of mediocre-looking white girls. White unit for D and Yi straight up.

I would like to promise that I will not awkwardly hit on BlazerFan1 blogger style, but I cannot.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand…

I’ve read a lot of posts making the claim that Bayless “needs the ball in his hands” and that we have too many scorers on this team for him to get the opportunities that he needs. I disagree. The way I see it we have three players who can create their own shot: Roy, Lamarcus, and Outlaw. Rudy will probably be added to the list at some point but right now he’s pretty much a perimeter player. His mid-range shots aren’t falling and he has trouble finishing in traffic.

As for the three I mentioned above, Lamarcus is a shot-creator only when his jumper is falling, and Outlaw pretty much only in the fourth quarter. Roy is a transcendant scorer and I will never question any aspect of his game ever.

As a few people have mentioned already, Bayless is a player who can get his shot off anywhere, be it through dribble penetration, step-back mid-range jumper, or finishing on the fast break. The one thing he’s really missing is a drive-and-dish game. Though his passing so far this season has been sub-par, I think he has the work ethic to improve it. He’s been the first, second, and third option on his team his whole life.

While I love the Spanish Armada (did anyone else vote for “Spanish Inquisition” on O-live? hilarious) how many times have you seen our offense come to a crashing halt as soon as the white unit comes in? The problem is that there are not enough players in that unit who can create their own shot and I don’t think my heart can take watching Trav put his head down, dribble once and launch an off-balance fadeaway ten times a game.

In my opinion, Bayless is the answer. He obviously isn’t comfortable enough with the McMillan system to get serious minutes as of right now, but after the all-star break and certainly next season I would hope to see him take on a bigger role with this team.

by Jesus Shuttlesworth on Dec 20, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

Nice 1st post Jesus

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by BlueBooYay on Dec 20, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you Jesus!

He got Game is awesome! But anyway that’s the same way is see it. This team needs a guy who can attack the basket! period. We have great shooters but when they are off and Brandon isn’t on fire or on the bench we suck. Brandon has to work so hard for his shots and gets beat on in the lane, because they know he is the only threat to hurt them with the drive. Imagine if we had another guy they had to respect like that. It would make Brandons life a lot easier. Not to mention getting guys in foul trouble and getting easy points from the line. We don’t need chris paul (unless there giving him away) ;) We need a guy who can drive to the basket, and demand the D’s respect. Once he does that all he has to do is take it into the lane and kick it out to one of our shooters every now and then. I think he could handle that!

by jcoop85 on Dec 21, 2008 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

watch how teams react when sergio is dribbling around the basket. They just stay on there guys and let him dribble he air out of the ball. Now when and if bayless plays watch how they will react. I will tell you what will happen.., people will run to help and I think Bayless will be capable of finding an open man when that happens. It probably won’t be a awesome no look sergio pass but I think people will still like the end result.

by jcoop85 on Dec 21, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Broussard didn’t want to mention that his source is his ego.

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by shralpster on Dec 20, 2008 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

haha

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by silkybrown on Dec 20, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

just for laughs...

have we all somehow forgotten about petteri?

by mr. driscoll on Dec 22, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

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