Jerryd Bayless demanding a trade? [Edited: Incorrect Rumor]
[Edit by Dave: As of 2:30 this afternoon this has not been substantiated by any source, including people who have listened to the podcast of Mike and Mike. It is incorrect, as the author admitted it could be from the start. Absorb accordingly.]
So I hear on Mike and Mike Jerryd Bayless is frustrated with his playing time and wants out. This guy has not gotten any playing time unless the game has been a blow out. I think a guy like this needs to be more patient because our team is winning, but at the same time he may have a valid point. We are never going to know how good he is unless he gets out there and plays. Oden gets the chance, Batum gets the chance, why not Bayless?
Is the point guard spot so critical that we can't afford to give Bayless some minutes? Roy was backing up Blake when Sergio was sitting on the bench earlier in the season. We basically used Blake all game and when Rudy came in Roy moved over to the point.
Nate should never appeased Sergio in the first place. I don't care how much better Sergio has been than last year. Bayless deserves some run if Sergio can cry his way into the rotation.
Play Bayless. Batum, Oden, and Rudy have all been given the chances. It's time for another rookie to show what he has, and not just in garbage time.
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Audio link/transcript?
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 8:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here’s today’s full show as MP3.
I skimmed through and didn’t hear any segment with broussard… if anyone has time to go through it more closely please do so. they talked NFL for the whole show it seemed like.
by Ben. on Dec 18, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FALSE REPORT!!!
I went through the podcast, there is no Chris Brussard on the show, and no talk of Bayless. I dont know were this info came from.
by ggassen85 on Dec 18, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is unsubstantiated BS
Somebody made up a story on “InsideHoops.com” and now we’ve got 140 Comments and ZERO RECs on this thread.
Nice fabrication.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 18, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, don't have it, a guy at Insidehoops.com made a thread about it. I wouldn't post it if I thought it was made up.
I hope to see some more links on it later. Just thought I’d post it here first. Call it a rumor but this is from a good source.
by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 9:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
even if it's a rumor
you probably don’t want to get the blame for starting it? link please
by appel82 on Dec 18, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You want a link to something that was said on a morning ESPN show? Go look at the ESPN rumors page if you're an
insider. I’m going to go look.
by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the link
Here’s the link on InsideHoops.
Here’s the original post:
I was watching Mike and Mike in the Morning and Chris Broussard came on with the nba 411 and he talked about how Bayless thinks he should be in the rotation and he’s frustrated with his lack of playing time and said Bayless reportedly asked to be traded. According to Broussard, the Blazers traded for Bayless with intentions of converting him into a point guard even though he’s more of a two but that hasn’t happened. Any truth to any of this? Quite frankly I think they should trade both Outlaw and Bayless.
I’d like to hear Broussard’s comments directly. Bayless “reportedly” asked for a trade? Reported by whom?
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a link to Mike & Mike
Here’s a link to the Mike & Mike broadcasts. In case somebody wants to try to track down the supposed Broussard interview.
I tried briefly to find it but couldn’t. It’s not mentioned in the descriptions of the show.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
I get Mike and Mike via podacast, so I can catch it after work. As a Bayless honk, I was just interested. Good find.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
It seemed more “credible” since you said “i heard” rather than some guy at inside hoops said.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, here we go...
What to do?
A complaining rookie isn’t a good thing, although I could understand that he feels he is good enough to play at a high NBA level right now.
My concern is if he really is.
If Sergio got playing time because of his agent’s complaints, I kind of feel like playing time was given to him more out of concern with how Rudy would react with his best friend gone.
It is either that or the coaches don’t feel that Bayless is better than Sergio.
Sergio is better at passing than Bayless, and with a second unit with a couple scorers on it already, it seems somewhat reasonable that Sergio is playing with that unit.
I respect Jerryd’s passion to play, but I do agree with the notion that he needs to have a little patience.
Is there reason, unknown to us, why he isn’t playing?
-Shad
"If a doctor ever gives me six months to live, I want it in basketball time." - Marc Acito
by NBAstard on Dec 18, 2008 9:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would say...
It isn’t unknown to us…
Sergio is playing better than Bayless.
If the young buck plays well in practice, he’ll get minutes in games. But he can’t come off the bench looking like a deer in the headlights. And he needs to learn to create opportunities for other players (like his pass to Zilla against the Kings) rather than go for the tear drop runner in the lane every time or the partially blocked dunk.
One thing we can take away from his garbage time is that he’s not big enough to play the same way he did in college. He’s going to have to adapt and mold to be effective. This starts with learning the offense, then developing a relationship with the players on the second line. As of now, Sergio is better on both accounts.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Dec 18, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
and I agree completely.
-Shad
"If a doctor ever gives me six months to live, I want it in basketball time." - Marc Acito
by NBAstard on Dec 18, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Dec 18, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jerryd Bayless was demanding a trade
He would be making demands. He’d be vocal about it to force an issue. I don’t think that’s happening.
The Jerryd Bayless I’m seeing is one who is disappointed that he’s not getting more burn, which is the appropriate response for any guy sitting on the bench. You should never be satisfied with what you’ve got, especially if you’re a highly-touted lottery pick getting the same minutes as Ike Diagu or Channing Frye.
I think I can only add "The NBA, where caring for everybody but the fans happens". --amlmart1
by prezofdeath on Dec 18, 2008 9:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did you list two more
highly touted lottery picks intentionally?
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Dec 18, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he still looks lost on offense. If you go back and watch the end of the game against the kings, he was way out of position on a few occasions. Right now, Sergio knows the plays and his teammates better, handles the ball better, compliments Rudy better and is finally beginning to know his role is better than Bayless. Bayless is a promising rookie guard on a good team that is already stacked with good guards. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that he may end up like Jermaine O’Neil did. Sit on the bench his entire time in Portland and then became an allstar as soon as he left.
by kikifromdowntown on Dec 18, 2008 9:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think that's a pretty realistic view...
Sergio fits in better with the team right now – plain and simple. Jerryd has a lot of “ME” tendencies that Nate probably has to break down a little bit, and he still has to learn a lot about running an offense in the NBA. As soon as Travis went down, Nate saw some spare minutes he could throw Bayless, so he did. Also, K.P. traded to get Bayless specifically. I doubt K.P. is unaware of his abilities, and thus I doubt he’s going to throw him away on some bad trade.
In the mean time, I think Nate should be looking to get Bayless some playing time ALONG with Sergio where we have more flexibility. It sounds like he may be playing some 2 in the future, and Sergio seemed to like the idea of having somebody to throw oops to other than Rudy.
Anyway, a rookie demanding to be traded is unheard of, so I hope it’s not true.
by Thack on Dec 18, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I am so tired of the whole "Bayless is selfish" meme.....
Based on what? Primarily the fact that he scored a ton in Summer League without having anybody to pass to, so he didn’t get many assists.
What I see in the limited minutes he is on the floor is a scorer who is consciously trying not to shoot because he is trying to find guys to set up. He may not be as good of passer as Blake or Sergio, but I see no indication that the guy is doing anything other than trying to fit in and please Nate. The guy is an absolute tireless worker. He leads cheers for his teammates on the bench. I just think this whole narrative is based on very little real information.
Bayless’ ability to get to the hoop and his ability to get his shot off the dribble are elements that are sorely lacking in Blake and Sergio’s games. If he can break down the defense and then find the bigs down low or the wings in the corner, that would be a huge benefit for the team.
Personally I would like to see him on the floor with Roy during some of the upcoming home games. Let’s see if they can complement each other. I agree Sergio is probably a better fit with the second unit, but JBay has more potential as the long term answer. I say this primarily because of defense, defense, defense. Bayless is the guy who has the strength and the foot speed to really play on the ball defense against quick points. Portland is never going to be a good defensive team if we cannot pressure and disrupt the opposing PG.
by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll replace Blake, not Sergio
May not happen this year, but I wish it would.
Blake really give it his all out there, but unfortunatley his all is not enough. Bayless’s “all” is 10 times better.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiousity...
Why would we want to replace Blake with Bayless this year?
Bayless may be a very good player in this league, but as of right now all we’ve seen at the NBA level is that he was a high draft pick. He hasn’t dominated garbage time by any means (although he did inspire Kevin Garnett to get down on all fours) and he hasn’t shown that he can hit the three-pointer consistently [33% this season and 40.7% in college]. Granted, this is a limited sample size because of his lack of playing time, but it’s tough to hide the fact that three-point shooting isn’t his game.
And being a highly touted draft pick doesn’t mean very much on this team… We’ve got at #8 pick from 2005 getting 13.3 minutes per game, and a #9 pick from 2005 getting 3.3 minutes per game, so I think the #11 pick should just work on improving in practice and enjoy the ride this season…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Dec 18, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify
I don’t think the Blazers would necessarily be better right now with Bayless in the lineup instead of Blake. They’d probably be worse. But as a fan, it would definitely be more fun to watch them.
B-Rex is like a lamborghini that’s not street legal yet, and you just get glimpses of it sitting in the garage. Your Honda might do a better and safer job getting you to work in the morning, but the convertible sure would be fun.
We’ve had this conversation a few times – I trust Nate and company to bring Jerryd along at the right pace. If he’s not ready to play big minutes, it may well be beneficial for him to sit and watch other more knowledgable and experienced guys run the offense.
Part of me thinks Bayless would benefit more by playing, but the bigger part thinks Nate knows a lot better than I do.
The only way I would have a problem with Bayless sitting is if the rationale is that the team is slightly better right now with Blake in there, and Nate and company actually think Bayless personally would benefit more from learning on the go.
As with Oden, Bayless’s longterm development is more important than winning now, in my estimation. The team’s not a true contender this year. It’s still in developmental mode. Whatever’s best longterm should be done.
I don’t think the comparison of Bayless to Frye and Ike is relevant, in any event. First, Bayless is a (much) more highly touted draft pick than those guys were, regardless of when they were picked. This year’s class was much, much stronger than other years. Second, Bayless hasn’t gotten a chance out there yet. Those other guys have either struggled through multiple injuries or failed to perform.
I don’t disagree that Bayless should be content to sit on the bench… as long as Nate has decided that’s what in the best interests of his (and the team’s) longterm development.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the car references!
Blake=Honda. Classic.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And who sells more cars?
I’d say Honda has a winning formula. At least when it comes to world wide sales. Lamborghini might be tops in it’s field, but it is a niche market.
Sort of like the D’Antonio teams – sleek, racy, fun to watch, but not what you would depend on to get you across country time in and time out.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not knocking Hondas.
I just thought it was funny. I drive a Dodge Mini Van, so I can’t scoff on Hondas! ;-)
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should've used Hyundai as the example
Like Hyundai, Blake used to undeniably suck, but now he’s cleaned himself up and has a nice warranty and commercials on network tv and even a theme song, and now nobody thinks he’s trying to rip off Honda’s trademark anymore and he’s treated like a real car company.
But as hard as he’s trying out there, he’s a Hyudai and he’s always going to be a Hyundai. You might not get made fun of anymore for driving one to work, anymore, but the Hyundai’s never going to get you laid – or win you championships.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. No changing analogies after the fact.
I’m pretty positive it’s in the site by-laws.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True...
There’s no question that as a young player, Bayless would benefit from playing time. But historical precedent says that the Blazers develop players in one of three ways…
1.) Give them the keys to the whip and let them ride for better or worse (Brandon Roy, Oden [sort of], Rudy [sort of]) – but this example comes with the caveat that the Blazers only had limited alternatives on the roster and, as we’ve seen, these players play "older" than their age. I don’t see Bayless fitting in to this category for the simple reason that physically, he’s not capable of playing at an NBA level with the game he currently has. He’s not big enough, strong enough, or athletic enough to just run by NBA defenders and dunk on the help defense.
2.) The "walk before you run approach" (Sergio, Batum, Webster, Oden [sort of], Rudy [sort of]) – this approach targets the players that have at least one or two NBA-ready aspects to their game that fill a roster or lineup need. When Sergio was a rookie, he filled the "change of pace" point guard need and that earned him some minutes. His court vision was absolutely NBA-ready, he just had to develop a jump shot (work in progress) and an understanding of what we’re doing on defense. Batum is an NBA-caliber defender. Webster had the J.
3.) The "Wait-and-See" approach – Add an asterisk to this method because usually the "wait-and-see" approach is followed by "Ok, we got rid of the veteran taking your spot, so don’t let us down…" email from Management (LaMarcus Aldridge/Zach Randolph, Travis Outlaw/any of our SFs, Sergio/Jarrett Jack to an extent). Flat out, this is the category Bayless is in. He hasn’t shown that he can dominate any specific category (unlike Sergio’s rookie year which featured a ridiculous assist-to-turnover ratio) and for better or worse, he’s on a much more talented team than any of the guys drafted around him.
Because of the depth of the roster and the expectations on the current team, there’s just no way Nate can justify using this season to develop Bayless. Had he joined the squad last year, then in all likelihood Blake or Sergio (or even Bayless) may already be gone because he would’ve gotten minutes on a team that had very low expectations.
This year, Nate has to make the playoffs. There’s just no other acceptable end to this season. So, our lofty goals are going to come at the expense of one or two good players. In this case, Jerryd Bayless is getting the shaft.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Dec 18, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
While I don’t watch practice like the coaches, I agree that if the goal is 2-3 years down the road, Portland should be developing the guys they see as key pieces for that run. Definitely not advocating punting this season, but I’d rather see Bayless take his lumps now than in the conference semis next year.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as a fan i agree with you
but Nate has always shown he wants to win now rather than later. when we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs the past 2 years nate still didnt budge and tried winning meaningless games. it even “hurt” our chances at the draft a few years ago.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I get where he’s coming from, both in the sense that it’s important to develop a winning attitude as a franchise and the bottom line is Nte will be jdged on Ws and Ls as the head guy. It just makes me worry that when the time comes that we need Bayless (or Sergio to a lesser extent sonce he’s getting solid PT) in an important game/series, the “on the job training” that could/should have occured around this time will cost Portland when it matters
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we start playing Bayless
instead of Blake then we wont be playing in any “important game/series”. Nate is going to play the best players, the guys he trust to win him some games. What good coach even likes rookies? Really I can’t think of any. When you play rookies your usually a bad team.
by In Walks Rudy on Dec 18, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said that earlier
in regard to “not punting this season”. However, I think there’s more of a middle ground between junking this year for the rookies to learn and gluing them to the bench, as has been the case so far.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is an 82 game season and he is a freshman out of college
What’s the rush?
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Middle Ground
I believe it’s called the D-League.
by Jumbo on Dec 18, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He would tear up the D-League!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
The coaches want him learning from them how to be a PG, and to play against Blake and Sergio and Roy, instead of just dominating and learning nothing from the D-League.
It’d just be a better version of summer league, with better teammates to pass to but Bayless scoring on his own will still be the best option.
I like him staying with the team and staying with our coaches. Plus, it’s extra incentive for us to blow people out.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude
how do you think sergio got to this point? he’s improved greatly this year, how? he’s actually playing! its easy to know your role, play with your teammates, and understand the offense when you’re actually getting to play on the court. much more difficult when you’re handing your teammates towels from the bench. just ask sergio from last year…
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
by chrischa on Dec 18, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he took a page out of Sergio's book. Complain -> Get more minutes
Then he only needs to turn his back to Nate and walk away when he talks to him a la Nic, and whoops he will be in the starting lineup.
by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just to recap, when did Nic do that? I missed the story about it.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He reported it in his latest blog entry, as an angry reaction to Nate benching him against LA after initially telling him he would start
by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
I think Nate probably handled it well. Nate was 19 once. I bet he took him aside later privately and talked to him about undermining authority.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Link
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/12/16/694987/batum-s-blog-translated-de
Because I can tell you that the next day in practice, there was a reaction. There, we played hard! More so, I was still disappointed from the previous day, having played 2, 3 minutes. As a result, I defended like a madman, I made some hard fouls. At a moment, I don’t know anymore what exactly I was doing, the coach told me “what are you doing?” and he chewed me out. It bothered me so much that I turned my back to him and I didn’t listen to him. Afterwards people told me “you’re crazy.” After I talked with the assistant and he was like “are you serious?”, but I was so annoyed that I didn’t even realize it. The assistant also told me “I’ll tell you, what you did isn’t good. But I like seeing you mean.” And the next game, against the Spurs, I went in the game as the 6th man.
by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little disappointed Nate didn't deal with this head on
It actually adjusts my view of Nate slightly.
Thanks for pasting, I hadn’t read the post about Nic’s blog entry yet.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's still possible that Nate talked to him...
… but I’d put that at a low possibility, from reading the entry above.
What sounds more probable is that Nate knows that the situation is one better handled by one of his assistants. That way he doesn’t have to personally chastise one of his guys in his role as Head Coach. Like you mention above, he recognizes Nic is 19 (at least at the time of the incident) and probably liked the idea that Batum at least came out fired up. By not confronting him personally, he doesn’t have to worry about Nic getting further upset.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Chastising Batum would also be punishing him for showing that fire, if done by Nate.
If done by an asst coach, Batum knows he did wrong but the brunt of it isn’t as severe.
Seeing how Batum played after that, I guess it worked. Young dudes get angry and dumb all the time, even good smart kids like we got. You can’t have the head coach/GM/team president putting out ALL the fires.
Maybe to Nate, Batum angry is how Nate is on a good day.
Morty
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rule of nature:
Let people treat you like a doormat and they gladly will. Batum made clear that day, that he is not a doormat. It may not have been calculated, but it was smart. Instinct smart.
by Blazin' on Dec 18, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like it was Batum
who handled it well!
by Blazin' on Dec 18, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio was misled
and wanted 3 years for his turn…if this is true bayless hasn’t even waited 1/2 a season. Sergio didn’t get hisa regular role in the rotation until late December his rookie year if my memory is correct. So right now Nate is treating Bayless no different. Sergio was also complaining earlier in the season bc Bayless was getting more minutes than Sergio earlier in the season despite being the backup guard. He had valid complaints.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who misled Sergio?
Sergio didn’t play last year because the other two guys were better than him at doing what the coach wanted the point guard to do.
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate did
He told him he won the 2nd pg spot. He worked hard on the areas he needed to and was never rewarded. Up to the point that Sergio complained, Bayless had received more PT.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
Nate/the organization set a bad precedent with the timing of Sergio’s PT increase, and the Batum thing sounded pretty immature on Nic’s part. It could even make the situation worse that both have done well, Bayless could be of the mindset that this is the way to get the time he needs to show what he can do. More evidence for why the Blazers need to consolidate the roster in the next few years, although I think KP won’t let things get too bad before paring things down
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of rookie would demand a trade? That's ridiculous.
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on Dec 18, 2008 9:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I got some inside info
He was demanding Sergio trade sweaters with him. It had nothing to do with playing time. Bayless just wanted to look more like Rudy.
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 9:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
bayless uses his face to get kashmir
sweaters for x-mas.
by appel82 on Dec 18, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tom, i can't help but rec your posts :)
by nima on Dec 18, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Tom, you should write for SNL.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't fit in
I just try to make everything sound dirty and they take something that is funny for three minutes and try to make it last for 10 minutes.
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Snap!
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
saw this coming a mile away.....
watch..bayless goes somewhere and becomes a superstar. im gonna be pissed!
by celph titled on Dec 18, 2008 9:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Must be those special glasses you ordered
from the back of the comic book.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In my NBA 2k9 yesterday bayless did one of those stick your arm halfway through the hoop and hang on your elbow dunks.
Can’t trade that!
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on Dec 18, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was playing online with my friends and I had 25 points 13 rebounds 11 assists, and 11 blocks with Greg Oden.
I love 2k9 but not everything is realistic.
by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i created ha seung jin
and scored 56 points with 34 blocks.
what do you mean 2k9 isnt realistic>?lol
by celph titled on Dec 18, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How long are the quarters you play? I play 9 min quarters and had 9 blocks w/ greg the other night
"People? You man Sheeple."
by Mike-Fu on Dec 18, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any one who is a Ha fan is ok in my book.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BRING BACK HA!
he is the answer to the future.
by celph titled on Dec 18, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine how much he could teach Greg
honor rasheed wallace
by Zaron5551 on Dec 18, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ha is a good argument for having a minor league system.
I still think he could develop into a decent center if given enough coaching and emphasis on getting into the weight room.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buck Ha
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Dec 18, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha Ha
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Dec 18, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's time for the Blazers
to become a little more veteran-centric (creepy new age word). We’ve been young for 2.5 seasons now. Let’s package the complainers quickly into a trade for a quality PG behind or in front of Blake. Isn’t that what happens to complainers in real life? It just happened to Raja Bell. It sure happened to me.
Despite his millions and his cushy job may Jerryd find happiness in his heart.
by oregonslee on Dec 18, 2008 9:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this the sort of "problem"
that is perhaps best solved by giving it time?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Put no stock in this "rumor"
Until I hear this from a more reputable source, see some sort of link, and understand the context of whatever comments were made, I put absolutely no stock in this.
By all accounts I’ve heard, B-Rex has a great attitude about sitting on the bench. He wants to get better, is working to get better, and thinks he’ll get his chance at some point this year.
I think there was an article about his attitude in the fanshots recently, in fact.
At most, I bet Bayless expressed a little frustration about not playing more, in response to a direct question about whether he’s frustrated. It’s meaningless.
No way he requested a trade. No use considering the hypothetical that he did. If this is ever substantiated, THEN we can debate what it means and what effect it might have on the team.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dont believe it either.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I doubt he asked for a trade...
I dont see how Bayless can get a shot at all this year not unless there is a trade that gets rid of either Blake or Sergio. The closer to the playoffs we get Nate will tighten the rotation.
by blazerchamp on Dec 18, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Nate needs to play him over Sergio a few times. Unless Bayless is just not outplaying Sergio in practice then
Bayless should be given a chance. They are treating him like Green last year.
by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you would lose credibility as a coach if u did that
HEY WORK HARD and earn you PT!
Only to just give it away to someone who has “potential.” I don’t know if you ever played sports but it doesn’t bode well when certain players get preferential treatment over others. JJack last year was the whipping boy bc of his considerable long leash. I like Bayless, but he still has a lot to learn. I’m confident he will be given a chance when the time is right.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm.....you would think that if this was legitimate someone local would have picked up on it
As it is, I think there is a lot of conjecture into these claims.
Do I think the Jerryd is happy with his playing time, not a chance. A person with his drive will never be happy with anything but starting and you know what? I love that. He brings a passion and intensity that unique to this team right and will definitely get playing time next year. More than anything else, Jerryd is a winner and there are few other opportunities that will give him long term success than Portland.
by ppilot on Dec 18, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
National sources often come up with news like this first. Agents or players will sometimes feel more comfortable talking to ESPN (more lifelong familiarity, bigger splash, less perceived bias) than their local media, especially when they’re feel disenfranchised.
However in cases like this I do find it important to have exact quotes. I don’t doubt that Mike and Mike said something, but without knowing their words or the exact context of whatever comments Jerryd may have made it’s impossible to tell what’s going on. Sometimes people will say something—Jerryd or the radio hosts—and it will get distilled down and interpreted so much in the retelling that it doesn’t resemble the player’s intent anymore. On the other hand sometimes the opening comments are just the tip of the iceberg. We’ll have to see.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 18, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see what you are saying but really ....Mike and Mike?
Now that you mention it, I have see that happen a couple of times. But as of now there are no formal stories reporting this (or as you mentioned, any quotes from an agent or Bayless himself) , though I bet we will see a bunch of local ones following up on this issue.
by ppilot on Dec 18, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
chris broussard is the one who supposedly had the info on mike and mike … he’s an nba writer….
by Ben. on Dec 18, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that makes it a little more legitimate.
I suspect we will be hearing more details on this as we get later into the day.
by ppilot on Dec 18, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I can tell though, Broussard wasn't even on Mike & Mike this morning
I guess he must’ve been, at some point, but check out the link I posted above. There’s no mention of him or any basketball related issues, other than a very brief conversation about the Celtics’ win streak. Nor is there anything in the previous few days.
Somebody with enough time should skim through the whole broadcast and see if they can find Broussard on there.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would appreciate it if someone would do that
and get us an exact quote (or not) about what was said (or wasn’t) before this thread gets to 500 comments or so. Once something balloons like that it tends to be remembered as actually happening whether it did or not (or regardless of circumstances).
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 18, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know how long the broadcast is?
I can probably let it play after lunch.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 hours 17 minutes
honor rasheed wallace
by Zaron5551 on Dec 18, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here’s the full show as mp3. i never heard a segment from broussard but i just went through quickly. maybe someone else can find it… they spent almost the whole show talking about nfl.
by Ben. on Dec 18, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they meant
They are trying to trade their PAYless shoe stores stock, and it got confused.
Merrrrry Christmas, from Bayless, Merrrryyy Chrisssssstmassss….
M—
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Happy holidays...
from the Squire Shop…toooo youuuuuuuuu!
by DonkeyShins on Dec 18, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bi-Mart Christmas radio ads
drive me nuts because that little doot-doot-doodle-doot doot-doot-doodle-doot dwa dwa-dwa dwa-dwa gets stuck in my head. – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and given that some local reporters have carried vendettas against blazer players in the not too distant past, it wouldn’t surprise me if a player/agent opted to leak to espn or another national media outlet first.
that said, i don’t buy for a sec that bayless demanded a trade.
by strong on Dec 18, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe it but I suspect if there is any truth to this there will be many links later on today. News like
this will be published somewhere before the game even starts.
by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
When Sergio's agent blabbed about Sergio's frustration
Within hours, it became the worst day of Sergio’s career, and Oregonlive had multiple stories by 5pm.
So yep, you’re right. Even if the rumor has no truth at all today, Sean or Jason are probably already trying to get a story together due to fan interest.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can i get a second opinion?
My quesions are this…
are people happy with the team right now? Willing to let it grow and in 2 or 3 years be a contender? Or are you open for a trade that lets some of our youth go in order to get a vet. and possibly compete now?
by blazerchamp on Dec 18, 2008 10:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Happy right now...
… and willing to let it grow.
It’s not that I am closed to the idea of a trade, but when you realize that any trade would have to involve someone from the intersecting subset of players that would be a good fit and players who might be available (and doable under the trade restrictions), one quickly realizes that there is not much out there that represents a significant improvement.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let it blossom, let it flow
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really happy with the team right now. I don't get down on the team when we lose. We are getting
better as we go. I think KP just ignores people who jump to extremes after a bad loss. Bottom line is just let the team play the whole year and make a trade after seeing them play a full season.
We didn’t even truly get tired of Jarrett Jacks turn overs until really late in the year. We can’t give up on players 20 something games into the season.
by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 18, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry i disagree..
Until the Sacramento game they have not been playing good ball. Sure at home againts sub .500 teams they look great. Againts Good teams and on the road they look lost.
I feel we have to much youth and KP could make a trade that could balace the age groups and make us a more consistent team
by blazerchamp on Dec 18, 2008 10:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
JBay would be foolish to stir things up by asking to be traded
The dude is a ROOKIE, for heaven’s sake! A rookie who expects playing time is a borderline malcontent and troublemaker. He needs to plant his butt on the bench and be happy that he has such a good seat to watch the action.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
According to James Kunstler, who writes a well-respected if slightly profane financial blog whose title I cannot repeat here, "The Republicans must be clearly identified as the party that wrecked America... it's hard to imagine the American people giving the clean-up task to the very group that created the mess -- no matter how many cute little faces Sarah Palin can make on TV."
by vavoom on Dec 18, 2008 10:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
There are other
Rookies making an impact on this team right now. It may be upsetting (especially during a 3 game skid) to watch Rudy get 20 min a game and go 1-6 from 3pt range. Also, I think there are other Rookies around the NBA that are playing well. Players that I am sure Bayless feels he is better than.
by bad karma on Dec 18, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why did KP get Bayless?
it would be nice to have a bead on why KP thought the trade to get Bayless made sense.. was it because (as I assumed) KP figured that JJack would have been riding pine anyway with Rudy coming in and it made sense to pick up an asset like Bayless who plays a similar game to JJack but brings more athletic upside…
or did he figure someone eventually who just really want this kid in a future trade so might as well stock up on a new chip?
doesn’t seem likely.. I think Bayless is learning a lot from sitting on the bench with the coaches (he said something similar in a recent interview) and I think we can worry more about making him happier with PT next year.. not sure how that works.. but some trade will happen eventually.. right?
Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con
by idoltime on Dec 18, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
KP did not think that Bayless
would slide so far to them at 11 and if you look at our weaknesses coming into the draft and the strength of the draft, 1-2 combo Gs ( Rose, Mayo, Gordon, Westbrook, Bayless, DJ) it lined up good for us on a need basis. True KP drafts BPA but at 13 or 11 however you want to look at it, yo get a little less picky and PG was/is one our biggest perceived weaknesses and the sf position in the draft was pretty bad.
I can see KP packaging Bayless and RLEC too say Was for Butler or Phi for Iggy and then run with Blake/Sergio. I could also see JB getting more burn and exploding ala Stuckey did last year.
I am in the camp that thinks that, yes, Bayless is not happy with his PT and rightfully so. I also heard that in the interview that he said he would not mind a trade not that he was demanding a trade, so I think this is being a bit overblown, kinda like the Travis comments this summer.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Dec 18, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he complained
Which… seems odd, right now, and with someone so aware of his image and wanting to prove he can be a PG (that’s why he comes into the game passing, not gunning)… but, it could have happened. Bayless wants to play.
IF HE DID, it’s as big of a deal as the Sergio thing. We bitch about it, tell him to know his role, and let the team deal with it. Actually trading him would be ridiculous, he’s a 20 year old with incredible potential. He can cry himself to sleep every night in his 50000 thread count pillow cases and it’ll be ok in the end.
I know the Sergio-firsters will point to this as Bayless being a jerk who we should all hate, but it’s the same deal (at least, as of now with what little details we have, it’s the same deal.) as Sergio. Young player who wants more of a role.
I hope it ain’t true, because it is dumb, but not the end of the world. Hell no you don’t trade him; I guarantee this would be a Jermaine O’Neal all over again and we ain’t even in contending mode right now.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 10:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're right that it's as big a deal as the Sergio thing.
I fully expect an “Adios Bayless” post on the front page of BE this afternoon. If it wasn’t ok when Sergio did it, it ain’t ok when Bayless does it.
If this is true, then things really are ok. I mean, it’s a GOOD thing that players want playing time!
But it’s admittedly a little disconcerting when a rookie is already hinting he’s ready to be traded. He’s probably seeing other rookies getting more minutes, making an impact, and thinking the grass is greener across the fence. But it should take more than 25 games before that attitude emerges.
Unless, as others in this thread have bemused, it’s worked in the past in the locker room. No idea there.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It depends how the situation was handled
I don’t really believe this rumor. I think bayless has a little more class than to speak up about it like this. In all fairness tho…Sergio complained to his agent not thinking it would go public. I don’t think he intended for the whole conversation to go public. If Bayless mentioned it to a friend or someone close to him, theres nothing wrong with venting. If Bayless went on the record to the media (like Terell Owens) then we have an issue. In the end…there is no reason to change anything up, we are winning, and the last thing we want to do is disrupt chemistry.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you btw.
I think this may be a very similar situation to Sergio: They vented to someone in confidence, and that person made it public. It may be for different reasons, but the result is the same.
We should treat both situations the same way as fans, with the exception of analyzing if they both were reasonable in complaining about the role (since each is at a different point of their career)
I’m also not yet convinced this is true btw. I’m going to try to listen to the webcast shortly.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with you mostly
but its not necessarily Jermaine O Neal. Jermaine was playing behind 2 incredibly talented bigs. Sheed who was an all star and Sabas. Jermaine couldn’t crack the rotation then because of those players and our team was experiencing a ton of success and making deep runs in the playoffs.
Today, most fans would still say that PG is one of our biggest weaknesses. We are content with Blake and Sergio, but wouldn’t be surprised that either may not be the PG of the future. Blake and Sergio are not along the lines of Sabas and Sheed. If Bayless was undeniably better than those 2, he’d get minutes. Bayless has a much better chance at cracking the rotation than Jermaine ever did. Our team is a borderline playoff contender, while the Jailblazers were shooting for titles.
I agree that we shouldn’t trade him…we don’t even know what we have yet. Our team is winning now, and exceeding all expectations. Lets just hang tight and enjoy the ride. No trades need to be made. Our chemistry is perfect right now, lets not disturb it by doing anything drastic.
As far as the Sergio trade demand…Sergio has paid his dues and was misled on a few occasions. Bayless hasn’t.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we
also still had Brian Grant with us. When Jermaine did get in the game he was usually impressive, and had lots of fan support for more minutes, but who were we going to sit?
by crakarjack on Dec 18, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jermaine O'Neal situation was more excuseable, to me
Even though “wrong” in the long run, there was a reason he didn’t play much, like you say— we had good vets at the same position and we were going for a championship. To move him didn’t seem like a big deal to most.
With Bayless and the Blazers right now, we ain’t going for a championship this year. He’s got better vets in front of him now, but we don’t need to move him to secure more depth or to appease someone. It’d be worse than O’Neal (provided Bayless becomes good, as I think he will) because Bayless is 25 games into a career, not 3 years, and there is plenty of time for him to beat out the mediocre vets in front of him.
So, I think we agree, I just think it’s worse to trade a guy over a minutes dispute when he could very well be getting minutes in the near future naturally.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Bayless shouldn’t be traded as long as he isn’t a disruption to the team. He has a good chance at cracking the rotation on his own.
Maybe Nate should send him to the D league for a week. Just so he can stay sharp. I know he’ll dominate down there and it won’t be much of a challenge for him, but it’d be nice for his confidence I think.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree.... send him to d-league to get some more PT... why sit him on the bench??
by hotstuffdb22 on Dec 18, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that strategy
if there was some severe point-guard coaching happening in the D-League.
I think that’s why they keep him here, so they can coach him up right here. – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I hope everyone can agree that this is ultimately a non-issue because trading Bayless would be super dumb and we know KP ain’t super dumb.
So it’s not happening.
If it did, it would greatly lower the Blazers’ longterm ceiling. But it’s not.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What must be hard for Bayless
is watching all these other rookies like Westbrook, Mayo, Love, Gordon, Thompson, Beasley, George Hill, and Rose get serious minutes. Some of these guys he has played against, most of them he probably feels he is better than, or at least competitive against. This time on the bench, while very frustrating for him, is going to tell us a lot about his character. Which is more important to him, eventually being a major part of a championship contender, or playing lots of minutes now with a team going nowhere. I know it’s not so black and white for him, and he has this incredible competitive fire, but his best course of action must be to work harder and outplay Sergio and Blake in practice, and force Nate to play him. Even that strategy, though, is difficult at this juncture, as their practices may not afford him much opportunity to do that. An injury will probably occur sometime this year to Sergio or Blake, and Bayless better get ready to capitalize.
by crakarjack on Dec 18, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If the Blazers wanted to trade Bayless, I doubt Casey would have gotten instructions to work with him on a blog
Would be a really odd timing anyway if he demanded a trade now (why not first demand minutes).
The Bulls didn’t even put a single player profile on their tickets and magazines since they didn’t know who they would keep. Who is featured with the Blazers? Greg of course (incl. his rehab blog), then Brandon and LMA on the cover. Sometimes Rudy (during Greg’s injury). And now Bayless.
by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2008 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm searching through the Mike and Mike show... and I haven't found anything.
Just a ****-load of football talk. I’ll keep searching…
by Thack on Dec 18, 2008 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i'm listening to, but i have the free time to listen to the whole thing, ahh christmas break
honor rasheed wallace
by Zaron5551 on Dec 18, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys are already reviewing it, wonderful.
If I don’t have to listen to Mike and Mike blab about football for hours on end, all the better.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike and Mike, yuck
But if true rookies shouldn’t be running their mouths. Even if if he is better than Blake and Sergio combined.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 18, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't even find Chris Broussard on Mike and Mike...
I listened to any NBA talk on Mike and Mike for the last two mornings, and all I’ve got is a quick piece on the Celtics and another on Marbury (yesterday). I don’t even see anything that says Chris Broussard has been on Mike and Mike in weeks…
Can anybody give me a reference of SOME sort to legitimize this discussion?! Any evidence at all?
by Thack on Dec 18, 2008 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yup all i'm hearing is NFL and a quick mention of the Celtics
honor rasheed wallace
by Zaron5551 on Dec 18, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I listen to their podcasts a lot
They only talk headlines and NFL.
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seperate the trade issue
from the lack of playing time. The few times JB has played he hasn’t looked very good and honestly I don’t see how anyone can say, based on these looks, that he should be getting minutes over Steve and Sergio. The diffeerence in quality and skill is just really obvious. If he needs game situation minutes he should spend a few weeks in D league. As crakarjack said, there’s probably going to be an injury sometime and he should be ready to play. It’s just crazy to give minutes to a mediocre rookie during a playoff drive. Prove it during garbage time.
by oregonslee on Dec 18, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You should probably be more careful
about how often you use the word “obvious.” Hasn’t looked good? Last game he played perfect defense, didn’t turn the ball over, and looked like he was able to hit his head on the rim. Which part “obviously” showed his lack of skill compared to Sergio and Blake?
I’m not saying he should start (or even get more playing time right now), but your claim interests me nonetheless.
by Thack on Dec 18, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree completely
In fact, I would say if anything it’s abundantly “obvious” that Bayless is MORE skilled than Blake or Sergio. The only advantages those guys have are experience (and with Sergio, vision) based.
Bayless is faster, more athletic, a better finisher, and stronger than Blake or Sergio. Those guys are smarter and more experienced and have better vision right now. But they’re not more “skilled.”
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't hear anything about bayless in the show
honor rasheed wallace
by Zaron5551 on Dec 18, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That sneaky bastard
He’s so quick, even his trade demands blow right past us!
Is this really a story about nothing with no actual rumor to even point to? That is funny.
How did this start, again?
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Turn the Boat around . . .
were headed back to Portland. B-Rex needs a hug !
PA
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Dec 19, 2008 3:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a discussion
that’s been going on for weeks and maybe months about playing time, who deserves it and what the implications are. There are many bedgers who believe a veteran influence would be welcome. It’s a point of view hat has a little bit of “win now” attitude. There are other bedgers who prefer the youth development. This bespeaks a “build for the future” point of view. It doesn’t really make sense to believe one is superior than the other because they both have merit. I stand in the “trade for a veteran” camp and don’t make any apologies for it. It wouldn’t hurt my feelings to include JB in a package.
by oregonslee on Dec 18, 2008 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This trade proposal has been approved by...Rex
Here’s how it came down
Jerryd was browsing Blazersedge the other day and came across the trade post that had Steve Nash coming to PDX and Bayless plus change going to PHX
Rex exclaimed "hell yeah, send me back to sweet home Arizona, baby!’
Someone overheard his comment and morphed it into a “Jerryd Bayless demands to be traded” rumor
by two4larue on Dec 18, 2008 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love Steve Nash
The year 2009 and 2010 of Steve Nash isn’t worth 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 of Jerryd Bayless. We’re still to young to win a championship even with Nash (for sure this year, probably next year too), which is why, I can’t see giving away THIS asset to do it.
by as11osu on Dec 18, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Nash has won zero championships with veteran talent; his style does not translate to playoff success. The Blazers could hypothetically use a veteran upgrade at PG, but Steve isn’t “it”
I was just playing the “Jerryd to Phoenix” angle and the recent Nash proposals were the obvious hook
by two4larue on Dec 18, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if big shot bob didnt take a cheap shot on nash
PHX more than likely would have won a ring.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's to say
That Nash wouldn’t get cheap-shotted again in the playoffs if he was Portland’s starting PG, instead of the Suns?
Steve has already had his run. He can slice and dice his way to MVPs during the regular season but when “push comes to shove” in the postseason, he winds up on the scorer’s table and the bad boys who clutch and grab win the rings
I’m not saying I like it, but it is what it is
by two4larue on Dec 18, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a joke and waste
Somebody fabricated this story on InsideHoops.com (a bastion of reputable sources) and it got repeated here.
Broussard on Mike & Mike? Very clever, very clever.
This is BS and irresponsible FanPosting.
by Bust a Bucket on Dec 18, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Very much so
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is easy..
If Bayless wants PT, there are at least two options:
1.- Trade Sergio or
2.- Trade Jerryd.
That’s all
by cbp on Dec 18, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What good will that do?
It doesn’t look like either is passing Blake in teh next year or two.
by erastus25 on Dec 18, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of the three players
do you think it’s likely that one of them will be injured and have to miss time during the next couple of seasons?
I do.
During those periods, JB could get some run and really blow everyone away. Or, we could be forced to play Blake 40 minutes a game and maybe he goes for 25 and 15 in those games.
Let’s sit back and dig it, peeples – Elgin
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
So Broussard never went on the show… and why would Bayless come up on a national show anyway? This would also be contrary to what he told Canzano on Tuesday. None of this adds up.
Pretty sure this is a message board rumor and nothing more. Jerryd doesn’t seem like this type of kid.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 18, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jerryd needs to start at the 2
Unfortunately for him, Roy owns that postion and Rudy own backup.
Only thing left for Jerryd on this team is to slowly learn how to play the NBA point.
I could see Jerryd barking though. He’s looking at a starter like the Greg who’s only in the NBA right now because he’s 7ft tall.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Dec 18, 2008 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is goin to turn into a jermain oneal situtation
no pt for jay bay so hel get traded and become a mutli time all star and torch us
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Dec 18, 2008 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is hardly a jermaine situation
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine had Brian Grant and 'sheed in front of him.
Bayless has to play better than Blake and Sergio to get minutes. Less of a feat.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 18, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying CroRupt's comment is not germane?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Dec 18, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Dec 18, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief. How'd that happen?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Dec 18, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop wasting bandwidth
Your internet footprint is huge!
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 19, 2008 1:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the scum-bum Germans have nothing to do with it!
Smokey and the Bandit ref, my apologies
by two4larue on Dec 18, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what we can tell
this is an incorrect rumor. I’m leaving the Fanpost up because of the good discussion that followed.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 18, 2008 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is actually great news.
I like Bayless, and hope he develops. Maybe he can make it to the dunk contest this year. It’s rare to see a PG that can dunk two handed from a standing flat footed/still position. Dude’s got some flight!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a cover up.
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To the OP
did you really hear this then or did you just copy and paste it from another site?
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Dec 18, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I invented the internet, and I don't lie, so I made the internet not lie, too.
In fact, I just heard on the my internet that the internet can’t lie. You should always believe what you read on it.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 18, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's internets not internet!
"I just like to smile! Smiling's my favorite. Have you seen these toilets? They're GINORMOUS!" Buddy the "Elf"
by broyposse on Dec 18, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for real?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 18, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i say internets, i have a russian friend that says interwebs
honor rasheed wallace
by Zaron5551 on Dec 18, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I say Po-tah-to.
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad this a fake
But I think the reactions in here (mine included) indicate that a lot of folks believe that minutes are going to become a real issue for some of the bench guys in the near future. I’d like everybody on the team to buy in, but when 10th/11th man on the Blazers = 6th/7th for a lot of other teams, I don’t know how realistic that hope is
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 3:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nope, this isn't a false rumor.
It was shown this morning during the NBA 411 segment hosted by Chris Broussard on ESPN2 — which was aired several times during the update portion of the Mike & Mike in the Morning show — thus, I guess I’m one of the few people around here who was awake at 4:00 a.m. (PST) this morning.
by AK1984 on Dec 18, 2008 3:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not that I doubt you AK
Since you’re actually a good poster here and there’s no reason to think you’re just having fun with us.
But did anyone else see this to get some dual confirmation?
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After now checking out ESPN.com, I must admit that I'm surprised there isn't any video of it there.
I wouldn’t take too much stock in it, though, since it seemed like a garden-variety rumor about a player being upset about his role with a team. As it was, though, the only striking thing that I recall is Chris Broussard making a comment about how at least a few members of the Portland Trail Blazers’ front office have decided that Jerryd Bayless lacks the tools to become a true point guard. Now, whether or not that’s legitimate or just conjecture, it’s something worthy of thought and consideration from afar.
by AK1984 on Dec 18, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the details
Very interesting stuff.
by Timmay! on Dec 18, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by update portion, you mean when they come in and out of commercials?
by Ben. on Dec 18, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's exactly when it was aired on ESPN2. In fact, I remember seeing it a couple of times.
by AK1984 on Dec 18, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet… do you know if it will repeat again today?
by Ben. on Dec 18, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they repeat those
in the afternoon/evening (unless it’s getting some SC/NBA Today burn). They run those updates all the way through Mike & Mike/1st Take, but like a stooge I was missing those to watch the weather report this morning
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I checked...
Mike and Mike does not repeat on either ESPN or ESPN2.
by Thack on Dec 18, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
the Mike and Mike show is televised on ESPN2, so I assume AK is referring to the “20-20”style updates that occur as buffers between commercials and Mike and Mike.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 18, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it too...
he even said that with Bayless being a “shoot first” guard he may never “fit in with this team”? I call BS in the sense of him not fitting in, he is going to be awesome for somebody I just hope it is us! and don’t you think sometimes this just gets the ball rolling for more PT and trading Sergio as his stock is as high as it has been
Oden & Rudy co- Rookie Of The Year ---- Brandon for MVP!!!
by Ripped City on Dec 18, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indication that you are not considered an important player at the moment by the media: Your trade requests only air at 4 in the morning on ESPN2
by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness, 4:00 a.m. (PST) is 7:00 a.m. (PST); nonetheless, Chris Broussard's report seemed ...
like a off-the-wall headline that I’d read on RealGM.
by AK1984 on Dec 18, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's just the weather.....
remember he is from AZ and might just be trippin for a moment with all the ice…lol ( I hope)
Oden & Rudy co- Rookie Of The Year ---- Brandon for MVP!!!
by Ripped City on Dec 18, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they'll elaborate
on ESPN’s NBA show and/or TNT tonight
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2008 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't find it on espn.com
If there were any truth to it why isn’t there mention anywhere on espn.com? I’m not doubting that they did run a report at 4am, but the fact that they don’t have a mention of it up anywhere on their NBA page (I just looked EVERYWHERE) makes me wonder if they got duped, realized it, and are hoping nobody noticed. Also, the TrueHoop Blogfather certainly would have mentioned this today if espn had any legit info. No word from him. I’m calling BS.
by erastus25 on Dec 18, 2008 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is certainly
The QUIETEST trade rumor I’ve ever seen.
You’d think it would show up SOMEWHERE else that is somewhat mainstream. It’s like a few people saw it, and it will exist in the realm of myth and legend for a few hours until we forget about it because we finally beat those stupid Suns.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to the game in bout 10 minutes
I will ask Bayless when I see him.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 18, 2008 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man.
Did you see Bayless give that huge fist pump and chest bump after Roy put us up with the last three? He was ecstatic.
Didn’t look like he wanted to leave town.
honor rasheed wallace
by Cablinasian on Dec 18, 2008 11:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was trying to take out Roy for his playing time
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 19, 2008 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
After doing more digging we’re found that there may or may not have been something said at some point on the Mike and Mike show which may or may not have been about Bayless and he may or may not have expressed unhappiness. How’s THAT for conclusive? It’s really weird, as I’ve never had this much trouble finding out what actually happened or was said somewhere.
In any case, I think it’s safe to say that nobody should be taking this story as 100% conclusive about Bayless’ mindset being negative. I think it’s reasonable to assume that not playing would frustrate him. I think BRoy’s post and this conversation have been interesting. We’ll have to see how this plays out.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 19, 2008 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I WANT THE TRUTH!
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 19, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can handled the troof
Nooooooo!
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"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."
by BlueBooYay on Dec 19, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DID YOUR ORDER THE BAYLESS DEMANDS A TRADE FANPOST?
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2008 6:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
with whatever may or may not of been said, seeing Bayless last night being ecstatic for the Blazers made me think that he is happy to be on this team, even if he does want to see some more playing time.
Red Hot and Rolling
by BlazerFan88 on Dec 19, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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