Fun With Stats
Statistical analysis...whether you love it, hate it, or are totally indifferent you can't avoid it. Every NBA TV broadcast is peppered with statistical references, overt (this team averages 108 points per game) or covert (this is the best rebounding team in the league). Most of the theories you see advanced at a site like this also contain such references. In most cases they are quick mentions, drive-by number dropping if you will. The implication is that the stat cited is the magic bullet that proves the argument without further need for explanation or dissent. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Statistics are invaluable to analysis, of course. Like the frame of a painting they provide solidity, boundary, and access to the illustration. Continuing the analogy they are inadequate when presented in isolation, distracting when they dominate the scene, and downright ruinous when paired with a subject they don't fit.
It would be one thing if only amateurs were guilty of statistical over-reliance and misapplication but I've seen NBA writers, television personalities, and even players misuse statistics horribly. Johnny Wordsmith can hardly be blamed for pulling statistics out of their context when we see it repeatedly in our sound-bite heavy, analysis light coverage.
So...I figured a primer on statistics would be in order, to at least give us a leg up on the right questions to ask next time somebody says, "The L*kers are the best rebounding team in the league!"
Because the subject is exhaustive, I am limiting this first post to team statistics (as opposed to individual) and I am going to discuss only stats you'd find in a common rundown. We will eventually get to individual stats and more exotic measurements. This is to make sure everybody gets in on the ground floor. I'm also doing it this way because you're never going to hear Mike Rice say, "His effective field goal percentage is spectacular but his PER is a little low." Most of the mass-marketed claims you hear will use these stats so that's where we'll start.
For each stat we're going to look at what it means, its strengths and weaknesses, and how useful/predictive it tends to be when measuring good team play.
Points For
This stat measures how many points a team scores on average each game.
Can the oft-made claim, "This is the best offensive team in the league" be substantiated using this stat? Yes and no. In the most general sense, sure. Offense equals points. However the weakness of this stat is it doesn't show how a team scores its points. For instance they may make a ton of buckets off of offensive rebound put-backs or forced turnovers and run-outs. This is technically offense but not the kind of shooting, slashing wizardry we associate with the term. The stat doesn't measure pace either. Pace tells you how many possessions each team averages. If one team gets 100 per game while another gets 80 the 100-possession team really should score more each game on average. But it's quite possible that the 80-possession team has better offensive players and hits a higher percentage of its shots. In this sense describing offense solely in terms of points falls short.
This is part of why Points For is not a great predictor of team success. Teams like the Wizards and Warriors (you know that music, old-school Nintendo fans) have been notorious for putting up tons of points but still not advancing in the playoffs, or even getting there some years. If you go quick enough and allow the opponent enough easy shots you can run your score up into the stratosphere. Often it means you lose 122-116 instead of 99-88.
Points Against
This is the other shoe: how many points your opponent scores each game on average.
Because pace is not factored into this stat either it shows even less about defense than Points For shows about offense. You can at least figure a huge scoring team knows how to put the ball in the bucket somehow. A team can limit its opponent's point simply by slowing the game down to a crawl even if they are lousy on defense. In fact one of the preferred strategies for coaches who know their teams are overmatched is the tortoise game. (See also: any Mike Fratello-coached team in the last two decades.) The reasoning is fewer possessions narrows the scoring gap, perhaps allowing your team to stay closer and make a comeback at the end. It's no accident that the Blazers played slow during their entire rebuilding phase. Their Points Against standing was relatively good compared to their record. That doesn't mean they were a good defensive team. Immediately suspect anyone who uses this stat as a shorthand synonym for good defense.
Like Points For, Points Against is of relatively little value in predicting good teams.
Point Differential
This stat measures the difference between Points For and Points Against. If you score more points than you allow you have a positive differential. If you allow more than you score the stat is negative.
So...Points For is kind of a garbage stat. Points Against is kind of a garbage stat. This stat which combines the two must be a garbage stat as well, right? WRONG! This is actually one of the best predictors of team success...THE best really.
The reason is simple. Pace can affect offense. Pace can affect defense. But whatever pace you play at affects both equally, so a stat that takes both sides into account negates the imbalance. In other words Point Differential doesn't discriminate between teams that play fast or slow, it measures how much more you score than your opponent does no matter what pace you play at. Since final score is the measure of winning, scoring more than your opponent on an average night is going to lead to plenty of wins.
One of the arguments sometimes brought up against the importance of Point Differential is the blowout. A win is a win whether it's by 1 point or 30 but a 30-point win obviously affects Point Differential far more than a 1-point win. Even more, if a team lost four games by 4 points each and won 1 game by 21 their differential would be +1, which is decent, though their record was a dismal 1-4. Doesn't this indicate bias?
In reality that argument only works if you consider a short-term window. Every stat falls apart when you consider only a few games. The season is 82 games long. You'd have to blow a team out by 82 points to raise your point differential one point for the year. You could also do it with four 20-point blowouts. So then, to raise it somewhere around 6 points using only the blowout you'd have to get 24 20-point wins. Guess what? If you blow out 24 teams by 20 or more you're an elite squad. There's no way you're losing the other 58 games by 1 point each and demonstrating an aberrant differential. In fact research has shown (you're going to have to ask Henry Abbott for the link, as it was a while ago) that blowouts aren't accidents and are in themselves a decent indicator of elite status.
Go back through the stats for the last 25 years or so. Look at the teams that win championships and go deep in the playoffs. You're going to find again...and again...and again that these teams also rank highly in Point Differential. If you're going to pick one stat to measure elite status or predict success, this is it. Just make sure you let enough games go by to even out the peaks and valleys before you make such a claim.
Field Goal Percentage
This stat measures how many of your shots you hit compared to the total number taken.
This stat provides a somewhat more accurate indicator of offensive prowess than does Points For because it is pace-neutral. You can't fake hitting or missing shots. However pace ignorance is also one of its weaknesses when it comes to predicting offensive output. A team that hits 45% of 100 shots is going to score the same as a team that hits 50% of 90 shots. Some teams have strong Field Goal Percentage stats but rely on slow-down isolation buckets from a couple stars. Other teams brick tons of shots but get so many up they score 100 anyway. In general high percentage shooting teams tend to be among the better teams, both in scoring and winning, but you get aberrations.
The field goal percentage area has been fertile ground for advanced stat computation. Effective Field Goal Percentage and Adjusted Field Goal Percentage measure field goals by the number of points they actually produce, thus valuing a three-point shot half again as much as a two-pointer. These attempt to bridge the gap between shooting and scoring and are probably better indicators than just percentage alone.
Field Goal Percentage Against
This stat measures how many of your opponent's shots they hit compared to the total number taken.
This stat has the same advantage as Field Goal Percentage: pace neutrality. Whether you play up-tempo or slow-down making your opponent miss is good. It doesn't suffer from the same drawbacks as its offensive counterpart, however, as no points are tallied for forcing misses. Making someone miss a two-pointer is exactly as valuable as making them miss a three. That means the best defensive teams are almost always the teams with low Field Goal Percentage Against numbers. It's as solid as defensive stats come (which may be damning with faint praise).
Field Goal Percentage Against is not in itself an airtight measure of team success. Some teams defend quite well but can't score at all. Many good teams defend as well as they need to in order to maintain an advantage without being excellent defenders. You'll see teams with relatively weak Percentage Against stats compile good regular season records. The truth often comes out in head-to-head playoff matchups, however. Excellent defense really shines when you get a chance to prepare for your opponent and play them repeatedly.
Three-Point Percentage For and Against
These duplicate their Field Goal Percentage counterparts, except they measure only shots from the three-point arc and beyond.
These stats carry the same strengths and weaknesses as their regular counterparts with one added consideration. If you're going to use these stats to prove or disprove distance shooting prowess, at least in terms of effect on the game, you have to factor in the number of three-point attempts a team takes as well. The Oklahoma City Thunder, for instance, average around 37% on their three-point shots, good for 11th in the league. But they take only 10 three-pointers per game, far and away the lowest number among all teams (and it's not even close). Are they a "better" shooting team than the Knicks, who average around 36% (16th league-wide) but attempt almost 30 per game? Certainly not in terms of production they're not.
Most successful teams tend to shoot the three-pointer adequately or better. In isolation, though, Three Point Percentage is not a great predictor of success. Being in the lower echelon of the league tends to hamper success, however.
Three Point Percentage Against is sometimes more indicative of an active backcourt than great defense. Some poor teams, in terms of defense and win-loss record, have decent three-point defense.
Free Throw Stats
Free Throws Attempted measures just what it says. Free Throw Percentage measures free throws made versus free throws taken.
If you want to measure free throw prowess these need to be treated just like three-point percentage. You have to couple percentage and attempts to get an accurate picture. It doesn't do a ton of good to have great foul shooters if they never get to the line. You could say the same about teams which draw fouls but can't hit the shot, but in general it's more valuable to be a team that gets a ton of attempts than it is to be a team that shoots well from the line. There are two reasons for this. First drawing fouls puts opponents in foul trouble which is to the good. Second you can always get hot and starting hitting those extra shots in any given game, whereas a team that shoots well but doesn't draw fouls doesn't get that opportunity for extra points.
That said, Free Throws Attempted is also subject to the vagaries of pace which is the reason bad teams sometimes get a lot of attempts while great teams don't always.
Turnover Stats
Own Turnovers measures the number of turnovers you commit whereas Opponent Turnovers measures the number your opponent commits. Turnover Differential measures the difference between the two.
Both Turnovers For and Against reflect pace. For this reason it's not safe to lean on them solely as measures of taking care of the ball or good/bad defense without considering number of possessions as well. The "Own" stat is more suspect, as you can control it much more by pace. If you go slower you will have fewer opportunities to commit turnovers which can make you look better even if you're lousy at taking care of the ball. At least with the "Against" stat you have to help create the opponent's turnover, which is a small measure of success no matter what the tempo. However Turnovers Against is not a strong indicator of strong overall defense. Some teams gamble to create turnovers and are quite happy to do so even though it can mean giving up a higher shooting percentage and more opponent points.
Unlike with Point Differential, Turnover Differential is not a telling stat. Some offenses value possession over risk, placing a high premium on the ball and limiting turnovers. Others reverse that. Some defenses value pressure over percentage. Others reverse that. It's possible for combinations to lie anywhere on either spectrum. Some combinations yield higher differentials, others lower. That doesn't mean one combination is better or generates more wins than others. The best teams are all over the map.
Turnover stats, in general, are not good predictors of success.
Rebounding Stats
Rebounds are split into Offensive (off of your own miss) and Defensive (off of an opponent's). Combined these yield Total Rebounds.
We've talked about stats that are affected by pace, such as turnovers. Rebounds are more than affected by pace, they're directly linked to it. Every missed shot must be accounted for by a rebound in the ledger. The more shots that are missed the more rebounds there will be. For this reason teams that create a lot of possessions will always look like better rebounders than teams that play slowly. You cannot tell whether a team rebounds well or poorly by looking at their rebounding totals, offensive, defensive, or combined.
Rebounding Percentages are a much better indicator of how a team cleans the glass. Rebounding Percentage divides the total number of rebounds available by the number your team actually got. Pace doesn't affect this number a bit. Golden State and Portland are on the same turf. Measured by Total Rebounds the Warriors rank 9th in the league whereas the Blazers come in at 13th. One look at the rebounding percentages, however, (.536 to .472 total) shows us that the Blazers blow the Warriors out of the water on the boards.
Over time defensive rebounding will be more indicative of good teams than offensive rebounding. Mediocre and even bad teams can rank highly on the offensive rebounding scale. Great defensive rebounding teams tend to be good teams overall. The disparity is easily explained. Offensive rebounds can be demoralizing and create extra possessions, often for scores. However offensive rebounds happen after a mistake...a miss for you. Defensive rebounds happen after something good...the opponent missing. Teams that excel in defensive rebounding are also excelling at defense. Teams that get a lot of offensive rebounds are also missing a lot of shots. That doesn't mean offensive rebounds are bad. You should go for every one you can get and pump up that offensive rebounding percentage. But if you're going to try and predict a team's success based on one kind of rebounding, make it defensive.
Miscellaneous Stats: Assists, Steals, and Blocks
These stats tend to be catch-alls for things that happen during the course of the game that are noteworthy but not uniquely definitive.
An Assist is simply a score, covered in Field Goal Percentage and Points. It's a score with a pass contributing directly to it.
Steals are a specialized kind of turnover.
A Blocked Shot doesn't necessarily lead to points or turnovers, it's simply an event.
All three can be affected by pace. All three are a measure of style as much as effect.
Teams that run isolation plays for their superstar may rank low in assists even though they are quite proficient at scoring and winning.
Steals have the same benefits and pitfalls as other turnovers with the exception of being more likely to lead to a direct score. Note that Points off of Turnovers doesn't measure direct or indirect scoring, though many assume it does. The fast break off of the steal and the post bucket scored against a set defense on a play that followed the opponent's 3-Second violation both get counted as Points Off of Turnovers. It should probably be called "Points that Happened to Follow a Turnover which May or May Not Have Been Related to Them."
Blocks are great for intimidation and even better when they lead to turnovers. They can sometimes be misleading, however. A classic example came in the days when Theo Ratliff and Joel Przybilla were roaming the paint for the Blazers. In 2004-05 they averaged a combined 4.6 blocks per game, which is an enormous number. That also meant that Damon Stoudamire, Sebastian Telfair, and Derek Anderson were letting everybody and their uncle drive right down the lane into the centers' arms.
Being at the bottom of the league in blocked shots is usually not a great sign because it means opponents are free to drive on you. But there's no correlation between being a great shot-blocking team and being a great team overall. Assists and Steals are a matter of playing style and there's no easy correlation between their presence or absence and success or failure either.
Hope that helps make things a little more understandable. I hope it also helps the next time you hear somebody on TV or elsewhere make a claim about a team based on basic stats. Fine-tuning those (ahem) baloney detectors is a good thing sometimes.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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first!
very useful analysis Dave. thanks!
by wackybrak on Dec 18, 2008 2:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Firstier Firstiness!
I does my own staties.
BTW: Is there any database that tracks Illegal Offense calls? Dates back to the x-Minn. 10k Ponders running iso’s for Jerry West. I think the Blazers got away with one with Brandon in the last game. Just a fun oddity to enjoy: I screamed for one at a Blazer pre-season game a few years back. People looked at me with great curiousitiness. The next time down the bad guys ran the same play and the ref whistled it. “Illegal Offense” on PA. Many smileyerly looks of curousitiness.
BT WayWayOutThere: Do they keep any stats for the refs? [that they would let anyone see…] probably only a couple of refs ever even call it.
by Sashland on Dec 18, 2008 3:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
CC to all ESPN television analysts ASAP
I was really starting to get tired of every NBA analyst tooting their horn at the start of games claiming that the Blazers are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Sure, total rebounds are low, but as you mentioned above, pace is a huge player for rebounding stats. Our rebounding percentage and differential are outstanding, so much so I would bet that the Blazers have lost the rebounding battle in fewer than 20% of our games.
What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."
- Byron Scott
by CMCWizard on Dec 18, 2008 4:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know I shouldn't go there
To me, stats are lot like religion. You get folks who take it all in and it helps them understand everything more clearly, and then you get folks who dwell obsess over one component and lose sight of the big picture.
"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'
by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 4:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Of course, some people respect strict religionists (e.g., Anabaptists) more than Cafeteria Christians.
Despite being an irreligious person myself, I oddly hold that above stance with a pretty strong conviction. Of course, I like how Amish, Mennonite, and Hutterite followers keep to themselves and don’t proselytize.
Similarly, I value peripheral statistics (e.g., PER, TS, net points allowed per 100 possessions, et cetera) above basic stats (e.g., points, FG, blocks, et cetera); that’s ‘cause more detailed forms of analysis allow folks to “understand everything more clearly” and all that jazz. All things considered, however, a myriad of statistics must be observed to fully analyze the overall value of each and every player, as it’s impossible to aptly measure someone’s all-around contribution based upon only one factor.
Anyhow, the one thing that I learned here is that the original analogy can be viewed in more than one way.
by AK1984 on Dec 18, 2008 5:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even better than point differential...
… is the pace-adjusted stat efficiency differential…
(points for-points against)*100/(possessions)
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Dec 18, 2008 6:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but....
All that really tells you is if you are winning or losing, which you could usually figure out by the standings. It doesn’t answer any of the “whys”. A great predictor of success (perhaps we should say rather reflection of past success), probably the best one.
But one of the primary values of statistics is to try and analyze what aspects of the game are contributing to your success (or lack thereof). This statistic doesn’t do that at all, so I don’t really care what it says.
It really is only useful for comparing to your total wins and saying whether you’ve been lucky so far or not. But that’s not really hugely relevant. At the end of the season, when we’ve won 55 games, if someone tells me, “Well, you were lucky, the pace adjusted differential said you should only have won 52,” I will proceed to blow raspberries for five minutes, and then chant, “55, 55, 55” for an hour.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 18, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is this a pseudo-Pythagorean Wins?
One of the more uncanny baseball stats is Pythagorean Wins, which uses runs scored vs runs allowed to determine the number of expected wins. This looks similar, although it uses a different formula. It makes me wonder—has anyone looked at PW and seen if the indicator is as strong for basketball? Or has anyone take a look at the formula above?
Also, I disagree a little bit that the stat doesn’t analyze what’s contributing to your success. If your Pythag Wins are way above your actual wins, you are very likely getting Turkoglu-unlucky overall. And if they’re under your win total, you’re getting favorable luck. In either case, what it tells you is to expect a return to equilibrium; the tendency is a reversion to the center.
Would love to start getting more into the geeky aspects of NBA stats; it’s a niche I could fill pretty well at LO I think, given my own professional background (social science statistician).
by torridjoe on Dec 18, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That’s the stat.
And you are right, it measures luck. That was my first statement in my third paragraph above. Although I am persuaded there is such a thing as “clutchness” (Brandon Roy has it), so the difference between PW and actual wins can be attributed to two factors, clutchness and luck.
You and PoliSam should get together.
Do you like asparagus?
by jscot on Dec 18, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive rating and offensive rating
aka points per 100 possessions are the best indicators of offensive and defensive excellence, pace adjusted. Developed by Dean Oliver in Basketball on Paper.
by howlingfantods on Dec 18, 2008 7:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I see JKSnake already said this
although he didn’t mention the name of these stats, just the formula and a description. Anyways, yeah, def/off rating is the way to go.
by howlingfantods on Dec 18, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nicely done Dave.
Appreciate all the time you must have put into it.
I usually keep it simple and zero in on the ‘final score’ stat but I’ll know better now to which of the others I should be paying attention.
by TwoDeep on Dec 18, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Dave.
If you get tired of BE, or your Sunday gig doesn’t pan out, I think you should consider opening a home for wayward analogies……..
by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2008 8:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
he already has
It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown
by 22baylor on Dec 19, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very cool stuff, Dave - one question
I love this forum as I have learned a lot in the 5-6 months I have been reading. How does one determine if a play is a steal or a turnover or can it be both?
"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."
by with_a_z on Dec 18, 2008 8:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Steals are always turnovers
Not all turnovers are steals though.
In the cases where it’s a judgment call as to what happened (e.g. did the dude lose control of the ball or did the opponent poke it away) you just have to rely on the statistician at the game. It’s the same with assists. There’s some grey area built in.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 18, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the offensive player
loses control of the ball, if the ball is picked up by the other team before it goes out of bounds then the player who picks it up is credited with a steal. If it goes out of bounds then it is simply a turnover.
"Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live." - Anthony Johnson
by jamon51 on Dec 18, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone see LMA's adjusted +/- stats?
See BasketballValue. he is currently sitting at 4th in the league. Other top 50 players include Rudy at 26 and Nicholas at 32.
by jaywalker on Dec 18, 2008 8:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate this...
I hope you continue to relate it back to the Trailblazers, specifically. Makes it that much more interesting.
Anyone check out the Macrophenomenal almanac that was featured a while back? Worth getting for Xmas?
by ofred on Dec 18, 2008 9:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Norsktroll loves it
And he’s a smart person who is likely able to be trusted.
I wanna get it also and asked for it for X-Mas.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're No. 1!
“One look at the rebounding percentages, however, (.536 to .472 total) shows us that the Blazers blow the Warriors out of the water on the boards.”
The Blazers not only blow the Warriors out of the water, they are in fact the top rebounding team in the league in terms of percentage. The current stats are here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=teamstatreb&season=2009&seasontype=2&league=nba
As of today, Portland is #1 in offensive rebounds, #3 defensive, and #1 overall. This jibes with my impression from watching the games that the Blazers are dominating most teams on the boards. It looks like they are because they are.
by Kaboomm on Dec 18, 2008 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, would it be safe to say that if you wanted to select just a couple
of stats, Point Differential and Rebounding Perentage top the list? Maybe followed by Defensive Rebounding?
If so, would it be fair to say that McMillan’s coaching strategies seem to be directed towards improving these? For example, the perceived disinterest in the fastbreak is actually recognition on Nate’s part that his team is not yet top tier with regard to defensive execution and the numbers tell him that controlling the pace favors his team on the Point Differential basis more so than running would.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 10:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It would be a mistake
to coach for stats. Kind of like saying most people who hang around Wall Street are rich so I’m going to go sit outside somebody’s office for a week and see what happens. I believe coaches formulate their game plan and then let the stats follow, using the stats as a barometer of what’s going right and wrong.
However as an outsider looking in, if you want to know if your team is legitimately good you could do a lot worse than the following:
—Point differential
—FG% allowed
—Defensive rebounding percentage
Those are the areas that tend to hold up over time against a variety of opponents and thus see you through the playoffs. You can add FG% in there if you want an offensive measure too, from these basic stats anyway.
I would not trust for a moment that a 108 ppg average will see you deep into the playoffs. Same with holding opponents to a 92 average. I would trust high assists, steals, and the like even less.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 18, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to say
your last sentence about controlling the point differential is accurate, as it’s another way of saying, “Giving us a better chance to win.” At least in Nate’s estimation.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 18, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I so love it when I'm accurate.
btw – I haven’t heard back from you about the role of the neighbor with the big dog. (It would be a lab btw. One that lets cats sleep on top of it.)
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tl;dr
Just kidding, Dave! Great analysis.
by samuelleejackson on Dec 18, 2008 12:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So.
Point differential is essentially the same as the pythagorean record in baseball, yeah?
by isoldout on Dec 18, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
looks like a variant
I was asking about that up top. Not the same formula, but looks like the same principle. I’d be curious to see how correlative it is for hoops.
by torridjoe on Dec 18, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Point Differential, Surprisingly, is Tops
I did a study looking at a variety of different indicators in terms of their ability to predict record the following season (over a five-year span). Anything involving points does better than simply record, but surprisingly point differential turned out best of all. Given its simplicity, I think it’s the best measure to use.
One of the other things I looked at was capped differential to remove the impact of blowouts. It came out worse than regular point differential, which backs up what Dave said about blowouts being meaningful indicators.
Here’s the study:
http://www.nba.com/thunder/news/bulls070201.html
by kpelton on Dec 18, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..lots of insight
I do like the in depth view of stats that Dave has provided…also I think a very correct analysis (well thought out)
For some reason, I would trust my observations of watching teams and players play as opposed to picking up a stat sheet and deciding how good they were, what they excelled at, what was their weakness,etc, etc.
I could imagine a whole lot of things from a stat sheet…but what I see on the floor tells me most everything I need to know…..
I just don’t see coaches using stats to develop a playing strategy based on them….I mean these are the qualified people with the trained eyes…they should trust their expert analysis based on what they see….(however I have seen some coaches use a stat sheet to verify a concern or observation)
So it may be more like …“hey guys, I think we stunk on transition defense in the first half, since I counted 9 times when all 5 of their guys beat us down the floor this could be the reason we are behind by 18 points…what do ya think guys”…………..(What stat do you need to qualify that with?….)
It’s easy to see why San Antone is consistently good….What stats do we need to tell us that?…
Don’t get me wrong, historical data/statistics could be beneficial to some coaches as a tool…but as their first line basis for deciding what the team can or can’t do just doesn’t make sense……
It's all about defense......
by 67 on Dec 18, 2008 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thank you dave
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
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