Today's Poll -- Snow Traction Edition

by Ben. on Dec 17, 2008 1:04 PM PST Comment 96 comments

John Canzano had a nice read this morning about Martell Webster helping a motorist dig out of the snow.

Thanks to a trusted Friend of the B.Edge Program, I bring you these pictures, taken in 2007, of Brandon Roy's Hummer encoutering some problems in winter weather. According to my source, apparently "20 inch blades don't cut through snow."

Insert obligatory "Brandon drives through defenses better than his car drives through snowstorms" joke here.

Vote in the poll and feel free to share any of your winter driving horror stories.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

Poll

How do you cope with snow?

Chains

104 votes

Studs

103 votes

Hot Chocolate

597 votes

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Your poll should have an "Other"

I moved to Hawaii.

"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'

by tominhawaii on Dec 17, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

LOL are you MAD?

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

by BlazerFan1 on Dec 17, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no cocoa in the islands?

Blazers Edge.com

by Ben. on Dec 17, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

just margaritas

I think I can only add "The NBA, where caring for everybody but the fans happens". --amlmart1

by prezofdeath on Dec 17, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Tom isn't allowed to discuss chocolate on basketball blogs anymore

by tweener on Dec 17, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They have the best chocolate ever in the Big Island, near Kona

No joke.

One team, one dream anybody?

by OneTrickPony on Dec 17, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And coffee

Dont forget the coffee. Sad thing is that it is more expensive here then on the mainland. Gotta hand it to globalization sometimes…

by jakoh on Dec 17, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

likewise

i moved to california

by FromAfar on Dec 17, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

but that’s because I moved to Wyoming and we don’t bother with chains when it snows…

by Gelvalst on Dec 17, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I moved FROM Hawaii...

In fact I grew up there, and even the caucasian parts of my family tree stretch back to the pre-depression era. With that in mind, I gotta say you can keep my spot Tom. I have great love for the Aina but every time I put gas in the tank, milk in the kids, or just look outside my window in Spring, I don’t regret it.

Of course I grew up in Kaneohe, so I was prepped on this whole “rain” thing.

by conspirator5 on Dec 17, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm near Kahala

My wife spend about four to six months under a blanked and in front of a space heater in Oregon. We stopped buying milk, gas was $2.22 last time I looked, and we get our bread from Costco. I doubt we could afford to live here if we had kids.

"There is a difference between having two guys banging down low and having two guys who can bang down low." - Blazin'

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2008 1:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good story about Martell.

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

by BlazerFan1 on Dec 17, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yes

He is turning into quite a responsible and thoughtful adult….

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 17, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If that was a story about how Martell injured himself, we would think otherwise ;-)

Yes, he and other guys on this team and staff really behave like role models off the court. I didn’t know about the Dale Davis story. But I have heard and read about players skipping practices and individual workouts for even worse reasons. And the dreaded SI article from 2001 I linked a few days ago when Wallace, Bonzi & Co. had no interest in attending charity events or being there for fans. I have already seen more pictures and stories of Brandon, Travis, Greg and other acting great this season than for a long time.

by Norsktroll on Dec 17, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I particularly like the things

that aren’t engineered by the team.

by jorga on Dec 17, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

absolutely.

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

by BlazerFan1 on Dec 17, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. All the more telling former Blazers didn't even develop enthusiasm for that

by Norsktroll on Dec 17, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

I bet there are all sorts of good stories out there, but we never hear of them.

I’ve even heard through the grapevine about some of the “bad” guys (Daruis, Rasheed, Damon) doing good deeds for people or non-profits. But because they did these things as private citizens and not as Blazer employees, they didn’t want the stories publicized. I can understand that — it’s enough to lend a hand. Not everything needs to have a public relations angle.

by Corvid on Dec 17, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That is a good story.

Martell is not only a good player on the court, but a good guy off it too.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Dec 17, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Awww Martell, my second favorite Blazer for good reason

On a side note…did you catch that part of the article where it says his stress fracture isn’t improving at all?

One team, one dream anybody?

by OneTrickPony on Dec 17, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that story is why I love the Trail Blazers

it really makes wins and losses seemingly a moot point. This team was founded on good character and its why PTB fans have real reason to be proud. I applaud you Web, as I do the gentleman who first stopped.

Some comments may not be 100% accurate

by bow4meow on Dec 17, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

snow is fine

it’s the ice/frozen slush that is an issue.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I slay the snow......

….it’s the ice that’s tricky.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Dec 17, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

it all depends on the stud … ho ho ho. (plural is too many)

by jorga on Dec 17, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions 7 recs

Blazers Edge.com

by Ben. on Dec 17, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

by the way still working on your bat phone question…. haven’t forgotten about …

Blazers Edge.com

by Ben. on Dec 17, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I never expected to read something like this from you.

I don’t know why.

I guess cuz you seem like such a sweet, innocent young lady. And this doesn’t exactly scream innocent.

Very funny, keep it up!

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 17, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Watch out for Jorga

She’s good at lulling you into a false sense of security. :D

"Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live." - Anthony Johnson

by jamon51 on Dec 17, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I’m a sweet innocent old lady whose inner self sometimes cannot resist the lure of a one-liner.

by jorga on Dec 17, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I empathize, but you have a lot more discretion than I do.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I vote this as the poll most likely to be confused with an S&M poll in Cosmo

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Dec 17, 2008 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

needs spurs

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if anyone is going to the game tomorrow

I hate bears

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 17, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

hmmm... well I live on the yellow line so...

We should make a fanpost about that. Willing to be a seat warmer!! And if the seat is behind the hoop you will see me doing the Duke Fan Distraction™!

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Dec 17, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm going!

I’ll probably just take the bus in from SW portland and the MAX from there

"It was like some sort of crazy torture in the movies. How do people do that so long without taking a breath? I think my ears are still ringing."
-Adrian Peterson, describing Autzen

by dougall5505 on Dec 17, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm happy to hear that!

Please be safe the roads are so icy right now, the Sexual Tyrannosaurus worries about you.

I hate bears

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 17, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I will find a way to get there

by sterles on Dec 17, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know yet

I have tickets, but have to go from SW to SE to pick up the grandkid first and I don’t have winter tires. Going to depend totally on the weather and the roads. If there is any ice or threat of freezing rain then it’s a definite “no”.

by jorga on Dec 17, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I have tickets...

and wanted to see the Suns, but I can’t justify driving from Corvallis to sit up in the 300s.

by Replacement Level Poster on Dec 17, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

By the way

Great story by Canzano. That’s why I have two blazers on my wall. BRoy and Martell.

Fo-eva!

I think I can only add "The NBA, where caring for everybody but the fans happens". --amlmart1

by prezofdeath on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

that should say # 8 fo-eva but we all know what SB Nation likes to do with the # sign

I think I can only add "The NBA, where caring for everybody but the fans happens". --amlmart1

by prezofdeath on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I really hope Roy has since sold that ugly car. and taken driving lessons

by 50backflips on Dec 17, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

LOL

most likely not.

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

by BlazerFan1 on Dec 17, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I always knew those Hummers were just glorified street trucks.

Off-road? I wonder if anyone that owns one has ever taken it off of pavement.
Looks like they don’t do so well in snow.

-Shad

"If a doctor ever gives me six months to live, I want it in basketball time." - Marc Acito

by NBAstard on Dec 17, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that they were developed for transport/combat in the desert might have something to do with that

by Norsktroll on Dec 17, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, they were developed for all conditions

The real ones, anyway. Not the proof-that-money-can’t-buy-taste-or-good-sense models.

by grimc on Dec 17, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

I had a couple of buddies who were in the first Iraq war

and they all ended up using Land Rovers

I hate bears

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 17, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the military hummer

and civilian hummers are also different vehicles.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yes...

into ditches.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Trade Roy

Ban SUVs.

by pualo on Dec 17, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Unrec

"Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live." - Anthony Johnson

by jamon51 on Dec 17, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Ban SUV's

keep Roy.

SUV’s are good vehicles IF YOU NEED THEM. Most people don’t. I have a Rav 4 and I USE all the capabilities at least a few times a year. (towing, all wheel, room, neat down hill 15 mile per hour cruise control, heated wipers… no.. wait… dang… didn’t have that one in stock).

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, and it depends on the SUV too

the old SUVs were solid framed death traps that were big and people think big is always good.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

also ban the Prius

Huge carbon footprint to produce. And why must a ‘green’ vehicle look so fugly?

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Dec 18, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's there to cope with.

Let’s see;

Minnesota
upstate New York
Wisconsin
Connetticut (sp?)

Nope, I don’t ever think about snow, unless it’s to go skiing.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 17, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm just glad that Hummer isn't YELLOW.

[bad memories]

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway

by QualityPie on Dec 17, 2008 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

that sounds sooooo wrong.

cool

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah Roy has a nice hummer now...

but when he was in high school, all he had was a jimmy (GMC).

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 17, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean to tell me that...

BRoy can play basketball with gloves on in the snow better than he can drive in it?

Yo, B, give me a shout, I’ll give you a ride. I’m a great driver, snow or no snow.

Ben, where’s the slightly irresponsible “On bald tires going 80 with a Pabst in hand” option?

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 17, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Scouting Report: Brandon Roy

Create snowstorm on court to stop Roy from driving.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Dec 17, 2008 2:09 PM PST reply actions 5 recs

LOL

Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.

Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.

by Clevelander among roses on Dec 17, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Martell helped Brandon out of that lol.....

by cbdolphin on Dec 17, 2008 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Last Year

We had ice on the roads, and they delayed school for two hours. I had to be there early for some reason, and did not get the message that school was delayed. The roads looked fine from my perspective. I lived up on top of a hill, and started my drive down slowly and cautiously, in my front-wheel drive 4 cylinder toyota. Everything was going fine, until is hit a patch of ice while I was hitting the brakes, gently, for a stop sign. I spun my car almost all the way around, and didn’t hit anything. I collected myself for a second, and then foolishly drove the rest of the way down the hill instead of realizing school would at least be delayed so buses could get around. I got to an empty school around 8:05, and get a text from my brother telling me “school’s been delayed for two hours! I get to sleep more!” So I spent my two hours in the local Safeway, reading the paper. Which was not a good use of two hours time, by the way.

So to cope with that kind of weather, I decided to attended school in sunny Southern California, where I’m currently watching a rainstorm outside my window.

by usdblazerfan on Dec 17, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hummers are crud

I’d use a stronger curse word, but this IS BE after all…

by EngineerScotty on Dec 17, 2008 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You would guess the Hummer would be able to traverse across the snow...

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Dec 17, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

could be bad driver

good drivers should:

1.) Know their vehicles
2.) Know the conditions
3.) be able to feel the road and conditions
4.) have proper equipment
5.) Use all of that to not be a dumb ass.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're only as good as your tires.

And those don’t look like snow tires to me.

/Can’t believe I’m defending a Hummer

by shuppatsu on Dec 17, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Tire choice makes an ENOURMOUS difference.

4wd means nothing with the wrong tires, which those clearly are.

Yes people, when you put stupid rims on a hummer, you get none of the advantages of a car combined with none of the advantages of a truck.

by moflow on Dec 17, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought Brandon Roy only had a

Toyota Tundra and some sports car. He lied to us!

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Dec 17, 2008 3:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

pictures from 2007…

Blazers Edge.com

by Ben. on Dec 17, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HA

both crapy vehicles in snow!

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Dec 17, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can attest that the Tundra is not crappy in the snow. Or mud or over rough and rocky

Maybe I have the right tires.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Dec 17, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Insert terrain after rocky.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Dec 17, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

BBBBBrrrrrrr in Boise!

4 degrees this morning, and 21 right now!

by BoiseJoel on Dec 17, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I live in Alaska

Snow, what snow. You call that snow. Hahahahahaha

by lethaldose on Dec 17, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

As a certain Alaskan might say...

You can put lipstick on 3 inches of snow, but it’s still barely any snow.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 17, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can see russia from my house!

by lethaldose on Dec 17, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe it should have been

You can put lipstick on 3 inches of snow, but it might melt.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 17, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Another option

Sipe, cut parallel slits in your rubbers, tires for better traction.

http://www.traveltipsandtricks.com/traction_tires.shtml

http://www.4crawler.com/4×4/CheapTricks/TireSiping.shtml

by OBJuan72 on Dec 17, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I hear in Minnesota the players like to drive this model to work

by Norsktroll on Dec 17, 2008 5:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Minnesotans don't like hummers?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 17, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If ever there was a photo that illustrated

the need for the proper tire…;-)

I been living in Colorado now for 12 years so I have a wee bit of experience with snow and the best option would be studless snow tires…who uses studs these days? Or at a minimum, a good all season (all season tires mean that they suck in all seasons) that is properly sized (read not low profile).

by ColoradoBlazerFan on Dec 17, 2008 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

A winter snowstorm to stop Roy -

Why didn’t we think of that?

Brandon, there is no snow in Sacramento, and you don’t have to worry about driving to practice after late April!

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 17, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I live in Sacto and love this fall and winter "weather"

Even when it rains, it seems like it does it when I’m sleeping… how awesome. Awesome at least until we run out of water next summer.

(BTW, my name is being mentioned in the same sentence as tominhawaii based on me getting banned from StR. Some would call it an honor; most would call it a dishonor. But any pub is better than no pub at the Jerry Jones School of Success.)

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 17, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Great Feel Good Story about Martell

I think Brandon was just conveniently parking on the stairs to a friends house, less walking and driving that way. He apparently parks like he plays, efficiently..

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein

by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Dec 17, 2008 6:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

SUV = Silly Urban Vanity

Mind you, I cut NBA guys some slack because, well, they’re HUGE, and you are not going to be happy in a Scion xA if you are 6’6". I got a nephew who is that tall and I forgave him for owning a Tahoe on that basis. _

That being said, I had an AWESOME time during the freeze-over we experienced right after New Years 04-05, when that ice crust formed over the whole city. I had the pleasure of driving a ‘97 police model Crown Victoria with RWD and a pair of studded tires in the back. The tires kept me steady most everywhere, and if I ever got into a situation where my wheels were spinning uselessly, I could just gently gas it until I dug my way to pavement. Thanks to the differential and the stock transmission cooler, I didn’t worry about overheating anything, and it was naturally heavy in back as a bonus. I shamed many a Cherokee driver that week!

by conspirator5 on Dec 17, 2008 8:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I gotta wonder

What’s in the trunk?

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Dec 17, 2008 8:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

With Travis it would certainly be a big sound system in his SUV (he drove an Escalade at home if I remember correctly). With Brandon, mhm, probably the same.

by Norsktroll on Dec 17, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

At least a couple hundred lbs. of sub woofers

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Dec 18, 2008 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Blizzaks are best

Studs are only a benefit on glare ice – and then only for the first couple of months. After that they wear down and studless will beat them in all conditions – especially on the dry pavement where you’re driving 99% of the time anyway. Oh, and they don’t put ruts in the freeway that are a pain in the $#& and cost hella tax $$$$$ to fix.

/soapbox

by El Rojo on Dec 17, 2008 11:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

A note on the H2

It’s really a Chevy Tahoe with a fancy body kit. Utterly worthless offroads.

-10 points for Brandon. Buy a Land Rover if you want to go off roads. Otherwise buy a safe luxury car with some speed (M5 anyone?) and get some traction tires.

by AndrewD on Dec 17, 2008 11:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Bayless has a Land Rover and a BMW.

Best car taste on the Blazers.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 18, 2008 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

his RR is really sick.

Blazers Edge.com

by Ben. on Dec 18, 2008 1:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Rudy has a BMW X5 I think. Seems like a good car for the NW and Spain :)

by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2008 3:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Going in my M3 isn't a problem.

Stopping sure can be!

Furthermore, I’d rather just deal with a few days of snow/ice on the roads than have my tax dollars throw sand and gravel all over. It just lays the streets for weeks after the bad weather getting tossed around chipping paint and cracking headlights and windshields.

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Dec 18, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs