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Official Announcement: The Trade Drawer Gets Legitimized

So...we've tried out the daily Trade Drawer for a few weeks to see how it works.  The general consensus among your two bloggers is that we like it.  I am reticient to curtail people's posting options but really, speculative trade posts start to blur together after a while.  Some sites disallow them entirely.  We won't go that far (yet) but we will enforce their containment to a single place...the trade drawer.  Site conversation rules will be amended accordingly.  Beginning today all new speculative trade posts outside of the drawer, whether in Fanposts or Fanshots, will be deleted.

I will add that "speculative" means, "not reported first as likely by a reputable media source".  If ESPN reports that the Blazers are talking with the Grizzlies about a concretely-spelled-out deal somebody can certainly post a link to that outside of the trade drawer and get a discussion going.  ONE post.  ONE discussion.  Not four weeks later either.  By then it's old news and belongs in the trade drawer again.  Also "reputable media source" means people get paid to do this stuff full-time.  It doesn't mean another anonymous forum post somewhere.

Hope that's clear.  Please make a note of it.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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i think all BEdgers IQ’s instantly increase 20 points thanks to this decree… wait, hold up, so you’re saying we’re in talks with the grizzlies??

by Ben Golliver on Dec 16, 2008 1:05 AM PST reply actions  

Yes, the Memphis Commercial Appeal said so at the end of November

That is a “reputable media source”, right?

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 16, 2008 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

They just had the Memphis play-by-play guy on 95.5 FM

and he said Mike Conley, Jr. has been playing well lately. Looking really good. And said, remember Seattle fans were ready to jettison Gary Payton after his first season and were mad the team drafted him. But he turned out ok.

Also, Darius sat at the only practice he’s been to so far. Didn’t play apparently.

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

i was trying and failing to be ironic…

by Ben Golliver on Dec 16, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I couldn’t resist to point that out

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 16, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like posting

A new trade piece that says “Blazers in talks with Grizzlies, -Dave”

by rmcdougall on Dec 16, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

RECtabulous

Great idea.

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 1:08 AM PST reply actions  

Great

One question, who starts it? If you are going to enforce it, do you start it, or does anyone?

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 16, 2008 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

who starts the Junk Drawer?

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

???????

I guess I’m too old fashioned or maybe just too old? Just don’t get what all the fuss is about….
I have yet to make a trade proposal, and yet don’t get why people are whining so much about people doing it…
      My folks always taught me about having respect for my fellow man (even when you don’t think they have earned it, you still give them equal opportunity) There is so much more to life, than getting all fluffed up over harmless conversation …….ignorance is bliss, if you will …..Rules are made by the social elite because they lack respect for their fellow man (when they deem them inferior and choose to not let them in their world)
 The elite will ensure that their class prevails and will continue to assert their dominance using their self proclaimed platform of righteousness…..Might makes right and the louder you boast the more might you can assert
………A high social presence of degradation is starting to assert it’s will in here and the high egos that go along with it……
    The trade talks are part of the fan base fantasy world…It is ironic that BE chooses to segregate it

It's all about defense......

by 67 on Dec 16, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Umm...

its because BE is one of the highest regarded SBN sites, not a fantasy site, and trade fanposts makes this site worse. People start arguing like crazy and so the trade posts are also the fanposts that most often end up with people insulting each other.

They aren’t banning the trade posts, just asking that they be put in one place so they don’t take over the site. People spend around 3 seconds when they consider what to write for trade posts, while they often spend a good deal more time on other posts. Trade posts also often get comments like “FAIL” and “ur stupid”, which certainly lend to greater levels of disrespect. If the posts are all grouped in one area, the people who actually want to discuss trade posts can do whatever they feel like.

The only reason for not wanting to put your trade post in to the designated area, would be if you thought your post was so much better than everyone else’s that you didn’t want to be stuck in the same place. Which is almost never true.

Inside of the daily trade post you don’t see people demeaning each other, because they are there for a reason: to discuss trades. Everyone is generally more respectful, and people can actually discuss the merits of the trades. It works better for everyone involved.

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Dec 16, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

it's a good explantion

So thank you for that…It makes a lot of sense the way you put it…
    However i don’t agree with your comments on trade posts…(IMO) they don’t make this site worse and is a matter of opinion, so not gilded truth…….it is also (IMO) not correct to view this site as a form of fantasy, even though it does not involve active participation as such…. there are lots of wild imaginations, visions and odd notions in here, that are not on the subject of trade talks…
   It’s the degrading comments, sarcasm and, egotists that make this site worse and you won’t find that exclusive to trade talk people…..

It's all about defense......

by 67 on Dec 16, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good point

It is not fair of me to say that they make the site worse.

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Dec 16, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

There is something about trade proposals

that seems to bring degrading comments out in people, more than other things. I have a theory as to why, but the theory isn’t really important, what is important is the fact of it.

So for that reason, it helps to raise the general level of conversation, and improves the community, if they are segregated.

You can legitimately say it shouldn’t be necessary, and that people shouldn’t respond to trade posts that way, and you would be correct.

Unfortunately, part of life is recognizing the difference between what should be and what is. We have to deal with “what is”, even while never losing sight of, and hoping for, and working for, “what should be”. A mix of optimism and realism — recognize reality, hope and strive for better.

Creating a segregated trade drawer is recognizing reality. It’s a reasonable way to handle the problems.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 16, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

was that a response to my comment? I can't tell if it was

I like and enjoyed reading your social commentary, but couldn’t tell if you meant that as a response to my comment.

When I said “Who starts the Junk Drawer?” I meant that the Trade Drawer should be started by whoever decides to create it first. Just like the Junk Drawer is create on a first come, first serve basis, the Trade Drawer could be the same way.

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

Sorry I was just chiming in and used your question as a platform to vent some puzzlement…I have often thought that having the junk drawer is one example of having to segregate the site, because people choose it as a way to socialize and talk on other subjects…
    I don’t care so much, that it could lead to argument , but it just seems that this site was intended to be a platform for basketball debate, and the junk drawer must have been created to keep the idle chit chat and other subject matter out of the main flow and into a sidebar….
    So (IMO) trade talk belongs within the basketball forum and if it leads to character assassination’s and personal and degrading attacks then those people should be dealt with (both sides)…..I guess I just don’t get why there needs to be so much segregation based on how someone judges it’s content….Leads itself to more controversy (IMO) and can be never-ending…..

It's all about defense......

by 67 on Dec 16, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

there is actually an advantage in putting them all in one place

Discussion of one proposal always leads to another then another then another….having them together lets you go with the flow…it will prevent having to repeat yourself in more than one place….

by LetsBlaze on Dec 16, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

But what if

It’s, like, a really really really good trade suggestion?

Like, a LMA and Bayless and Rudy for the Bucks’ Michael Redd and Mo Williams trade post? That’s a trade post that accomplishes two things: makes a trade for a horrible ballhog in Redd who doesn’t fit the team’s needs at all, and also a guy who isn’t even on the team I am suggesting we trade with, revealing my ignorance of the current NBA landscape (and my own team).

I mean, a trade post like that doesn’t deserve to be buried in a Trade Drawer. This is front page material, Dave.

This is nothing short of censorship, the likes of which haven’t been seen since the hey-day of the Third Reich, Nazi Germany. YOU ARE MAKING HITLER PROUD.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Dec 16, 2008 3:45 AM PST reply actions  

Fortunately for Hitler

he’s dead, so he will not fall into this awful trap of pride that you mention.

If he was alive, we could trade him for what’s-his-name in Zimbabwe.

Gives a whole new meaning to the term “expiring contract”.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 16, 2008 3:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Mugabe?

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 4:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Menopause?

(BTW, nice new profile pic… except where is Burt’s big hat?)

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 5:26 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean his Tigers hat?

That’s Tom Selleck AKA Magnum P.I.

by tominhawaii on Dec 16, 2008 6:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Aren't you and he ...

… one and the same?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 16, 2008 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

http://www.hulu.com/watch/12203/saturday-night-live-celebrity-jeopardy—-stewart-reynolds-and-connery

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 6:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The trades deserve their own home...

it’s like imagination-land…it’s alright..just gets tricky when it is two different peoples imaginations battling it out…

by LetsBlaze on Dec 16, 2008 4:20 AM PST reply actions  

I got a question for ya, my friend

Now, we’ve gotten to know ya and love ya as a brother. You are part of the Blazers Edge family.

But, your true allegiance is to Shavlick (and it should be, since you two are close). If he is traded, is it like trading you to the new team as well?

In one of Nostradamus’ lost scrolls, he envisioned a world torn asunder from something he termed “relocation notes”… or better known today as “Trade posts”. The catastrophic affect these trade posts had on our society weren’t taken seriously, until it was too late. Dave seems to be heeding this warning, as Nostradamus hinted that perhaps a consolidation of said ‘relocation notes’ to one location was perhaps the key to our world’s salvation… but the mists of time are murky at best and even that great seer couldn’t say for sure.

Our way of life is at stake with this decision, and once again Dave has taken the leadership role we all look to him to provide. But is it too late to prevent the Trade Wars of 2011 from causing the death of millions?!

Only time will tell… sometimes the tyranny of trade posts overrule the righteousness of the just and brave, but we all hope and pray that this is not that time and good will prevail.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Dec 16, 2008 4:31 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm afraid so
But is it too late to prevent the Trade Wars of 2011 from causing the death of millions?!

We’ve traveled down that slippery slope too far, surpassing critical mass.

It’s not just the mists of time that is murky.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 16, 2008 5:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Well...thank you and back at you

This is a great group and I have enjoyed being out here…but yeah — I will continue my involvement with Shav’s career whichever directions it heads…so effectively I would be traded too

But I am so heavily engaged in the development of this team and the personalities there and on the site here that I think that attachment would continue..and I may have other patients on this squad before long so I would be active on muliple fronts

Its been very interesting being out here not as a Portland fan per se — trust me I want them to be highly successful, but I don’t have the rose colored glasses loyalty thing — so I get to observe with a bit of detachment…But I guess you guys notice I pick them to win every game — It’s like the old West Side Story song…“when you’re a Jet you’re a jet all the way….” meaning that if junior is under contract here I’m 100% invested . . .

by LetsBlaze on Dec 16, 2008 6:35 AM PST up reply actions  

In the terrible event that Shavlik should be traded to another team

we would rely on your skills to keep us updated on his progress – much better than we would be able to do ourselves. – Elgin

It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown

by 22baylor on Dec 16, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

we need more

Since you don’t have the rose colored glasses on, we need more of your opinion. Probably most people here are biased.

Does Travis suck? Is Channing a joke?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

no and no

i’ve actually commented extensively on both…

Travis has shown improvement even on a game over game basis — 3 not falling like it was ..but he has shown he can rebound, he can pass, he can cut with and without the ball…he has high level of athleticism….discipline and ID of role on floor…ie he can…but will he?

great continuum into Channing role on floor and discipline to execute his role..came back too fast of of surgery (IMO) and felt pressure to do so (contract year + 2 backups on bench)…needs big man training down low? or just needs to be told to get down there and get at it…

need to feed the guys some raw meat or something…the NBA is a viscious ugly place – sad but true ..Strength wins over skills too often…I’m noticing guys using martial arts and wrestling moves on the floor now…something got to give or we have NHL/WWE going on

by LetsBlaze on Dec 16, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

So what do you guys think of this trade?

We send Sergio and Rudy to Boston for Rondo and Ray Allen. Then ship Allen, LaMarcus and 2 first round picks to Orlando for Dwight Howard. Followed by Roy, Oden and Bayless to Miami for D Wade.

We’d probably have to come up with a couple of additional trades to round out the roster, but that would allow us to move Outlaw and Channing.

We’d have a starting lineup of:

Rondo / Blake
Wade / well, somebody
Webster / Batum
D Howard / somebody else – Shavlik maybe
Joel / still somebody else – Ha Seng maybe, as we are under represented in the Asian community.

We’d still have Koponen and Freeland to bring over. Everybody knows Freeland is going to be a major league stud.

Then in a year or two, when Wade and Howard are pst their prime, we can trade them for someone else.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 16, 2008 6:32 AM PST reply actions  

I want Wang Zhi Zhi

just because I like saying his name. – Elgin

It's all blues and no dinner at the Ministry of Bag. The steaks are getting thinner. The office is a drag. - Pete Brown

by 22baylor on Dec 16, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you Dave

I love trade talk, but I’m sick of a trade drawer and then seeing three trade posts, that push others posts out of the side bar.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 16, 2008 7:10 AM PST reply actions  

finally!

this isn’t a blazeocracy, this is a blazetatorship. rule with an iron fist Dave!

The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave

by chrischa on Dec 16, 2008 7:40 AM PST reply actions  

Dave doesnt spell check

otherwise he’d know its — reticent not reticient… well… thats what he gets for allowing the trade rumor mongering to continue… but then again I should cut him some slack, engineering the english language is fun

Some comments may not be 100% accurate

by bow4meow on Dec 16, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

This is going to make in so much easier for KP.

Instead of searching through thousands of posts for his trade ideas (of course that’s where he gets them all), he can limit his blog searching to one tidy drawer. This has to be a great day for KP. He’ll save so much time, he may now be able to let his assistant (Tom Penn) go.

by TwoDeep on Dec 16, 2008 9:26 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

+1

I stay up night worrying about how much time KP has to spend reading through all the trade posts.

But I’m not real wild about letting Tom Penn go without getting something in return. At a minimum, we should be able to trade him for a decent mascot or something.

by Corvid on Dec 16, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It creates a minutes crunch

Now, we only have so many minutes needed, and TP is surplus. We should trade him to solve the minutes crunch.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 16, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

yes.

thank you.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Dec 16, 2008 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

Do Not Cross Dave

Wow – kind of scary in a dominant sort of sexy way

by Seth Pollack on Dec 16, 2008 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

Clutter

We have ‘drawers’ taking up 2 of the 5 recommended fanposts spots. And usually one (maybe two after this gets started) lingers around the next day until people unrec it. So that’s up to 4 spots taken with just those fanposts. Is it possible to expand the number of fanposts in the recommended section? Or should either the junk drawer or the trade drawer be moved to the fanshots? Either way, we should make sure good fanposts get a majority of the recommended section.

by amitp06 on Dec 16, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

THAT

is a great point.

Another solution would simply be to not rec the trade and junk drawers.

I’ll check into expanding them.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 16, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That works

Missed the obvious fix. But I think keeping them recced somehow is a good idea because the people who are going to post random trade or OT fanposts that belong in the drawers are the same ones who won’t look through the day’s fanposts (i.e. the 5 fanposts on every breaking news story) and won’t notice the junk or trade drawer. If it’s at the top and the title is “Post All Trades Here” or something, then maybe the message will get through.

by amitp06 on Dec 16, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

One Rec

I feel that the top 5 FanPost are the best of the best of Blazers Edge. The Junk Drawer is just a place for all of us to blog. A lot of folks here want to read what other folks want to say, even if it isn’t about basketball. I got way too much time on my hand, but I don’t have enough time to read 20 or so different blogs.

The Junk Drawer is just junk. It doesn’t deserve to be recognized as the best 5 FanPost on Blazers Edge, the same goes for the Trade Drawer. Although, I don’t know if “Trade Drawer” is a sexy enough name. Can this post be revised with a poll voting on the name?

I like the idea of a “Trade Labyrinth” or a “Trade Whatchamacallit.” “Trade Monkey” also has a nice ring to it.

by tominhawaii on Dec 16, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

how about

The Oregon Trail Fur Trade Post

or Hudsons Bay Company Trading Post

or John Jacob Astor Fur Trading

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

or Trade Machinists Union, Local No. 1977

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

nice I like that

Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...

by TheOdenator on Dec 16, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

The junk drawer could float with the rest of the fanposts

And not need to be rec’d, but the Trade Drawer (or whatever it is eventually called) should be SOMEWHERE easily visible so that new people see that there is a place to post trade ideas… because they can ransack and take over the sight more than the junk drawer type posts can.

I dunno if it can be ‘stickied’ or whatever so it doesn’t need to be rec’d daily, and not take the place of the top 5 current fanposts… I’ll leave that for the historians to decide.

“KP’S SUGGESTION BOX” could be the trade drawer. And just like any other suggestion box, it will soon be filled to the brim with fresh pee.

I’m the type of dude who doesn’t mind anything that people post, as this is all for fun, but I also don’t like the clutter of endless trade proposals. Keeping the Trade Drawer in clear sight is the best way to fight that.

Uncle Morty

by Mortimer on Dec 16, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha.

KP’s Suggestion Box is brilliant.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 16, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Could the people at SBN come up with a custom solution?

Like an auto-posting junk drawer and trade drawer that clear themselves every day?

by rmcdougall on Dec 16, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

We have asked exactly that

We will see.

On the one hand I don’t think they’ll be all keen to do custom jobs considering how many blogs they tend to. On the other hand we’re pretty much the biggest blog on the network now—1 or 2 anyway—so we may be seen as a guinea pig of sorts.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 16, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

You might ask

some of the other SBN bloggers if they would like the same features. If you get 5-6 guys asking for it, then they might be more willing to take it on.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 17, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

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