Oden vs. Howard (and other star centers)
Stats for each players first 10 NBA games, adjusted to 30 minutes. (Oden averaged 19.9 minutes per game in his first ten; Howard averaged 29.9)
For added perspective, I've added:
Aldridge's first ten games, also adjusted to 30 minutes;
Al Jefferson's game 20-30 (giving him a chance to adjust at his young age;
Bynum's first ten games of his second season (because he played limited minutes in his first season), adding the latter two because of their reputations as among the top centers in the NBA this year:
Jermaine O'Neal first ten games of his fourth year, age 21:
and Dikembe's Mutombo's first ten games of his first season, when he was five years older than Oden is today.
Points/rebounds/turnovers/blocks
Howard: 6.5 10.3 2.4 2.2
Oden: 12.7 10.6 2.7 2.55
LMA: 8.1 4.7 .4 0.8
Al J: 8.4 4.7 1.0 1.3
Bynum 12.4 9.3 1.8 2.2
O'Neal 7.6 9.2 2.2 0.8
M'tbo 14.7 10.8 3.1 1.9
Howard was a year younger than Greg, but Oden is coming of an entire year layoff, so experience would seem to be a wash, or even favor Howard during his first year.
The only player to outperform Oden in any category was Mutombo, who scored more in his first ten games. But note that he shot early and often: 15.4 shots per game, hitting just over 43 percent from the field. So Oden has been more efficient than Mutombo was over these compared ten-game stretches.
I've left out Shaquille, who had a sensational rookie year from its beginning, and David Robinson, who started very well. Shaquille also was young, but represents a true exception. Robinson was 25 years old when he began his NBA career, so I think comparing him is less fair. I use Mutombo because despite being much older than Oden is today, Dikembe illustrates the typical pattern: star centers do not start their career with outstanding performances.
Their typical pattern is similar to other NBA players: Steady improvements between years one, two, three, four and five, which typically is among the player's peak years. Peaks can be as short as three years or, in the special case of Karl Malone and very few others, as long as ten.
Based on these comparisons, no one should be discouraged by Oden's performance. The evidence, instead, more stronly suggests that he could be very special.
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But having said that Shaquille was the overwhelming exception:
Shaquille's numbers: 18.5 pts; 11.9 rebounds; 2.7 blocks; 3.6 turnovers
However, Shaquille's superior scoring numbers came from the fact that he averaged almost 16 field goal attempts and almost 11 free throws per game. The fact is, he was a net liabilty offensively during those ten games. Had he merely averaged 40 percent on his field goals--a percentage which dooms a team to losses, and 60 percent on his free throws--missing close to five points a game from the line, he still would have averaged 18.65 points per game, which is more than he averaged.
To make matters worse, he averaged a turnover more per every thirty minutes, which to all intents and purposes negates the additional rebound more than Oden per game that he grabbed (in fact, some efficiency rankings subtract more points from a turnover than they reward for a rebound, and with good reason. A turnover is a shot lost; a rebound tha Shaq did not get could have gone to one of his teammates, at no net loss to the team.
So Shaq's scored more points and grabbed one more rebound per 30 minutes than Greg has, for the first team games of their professional careers. But most, if not all, systems that rank player's effectiveness would, I beleive, actually give Oden higher marks--higher, in fact, than all of the players listed above.
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Missed my point
I made no attempt to compare Oden with Howard—except to compare their first ten games in the NBA. People can draw any conclusion they want, any comparison that they wish.
We can confidently say that in their first ten games as professional, Greg Oden’s statistics appear to be superior to Dwight Howard’s, and that some people may draw some reassurance from that. (And others, of course, may not.)
Fair enough
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Dec 14, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I'm very familiar
with Howard’s rookie season as I had him on my fantasy team that year and paid very close attention to his ups and downs.
Statistically speaking, Hulk is spot on . There were a lot of similarities to what we are seeing from Oden this year. Pretty consistent rebounding numbers – except in those games in which he was limited by foul trouble (which occured in a not insignificant number of cases) The scoring numbers were pretty anemic as the Magic ran zero plays for him so almost all of his points came off putbacks. Defensively, he did seem to go for blocks more than Oden does but, often as not, he’d wind up called for a cheap foul and end up taking himself out of the game.
Although I didn’t get to watch Orlando much, I did wind up seeing about half dozen games of Howard’s rookie season. He frequently looked just as befuddled as Oden looks now, on both ends of the floor. The biggest difference was in the athleticism. Howard was clearly a freak of nature whose leaping ability and speed up and down the floor were eye-popping. Oden still looks like a man rehabbing from microfracture surgery. That should change and, in time, we should begin seeing glimpses of the Oden we saw in the NCAA finals who was more or less Howard’s equal athletically. The other big difference in their games was at the charity stripe where Howard looked absolutely lost (and still does) Oden has a much more polished form and will prove to be a better and more consistent free throw shooter throughout his career.
What has been the most startling is the way in which the perceptions of these two players have formed over the course of their rookie seasons. Both were the overall #1 pick; both were extremely green with a lot of holes in their game; both have mild-mannered, quiet personalities. But Howard did not seem to come under the same kind of withering national media criticism that’s been directed at Oden. The same pundits who were gushing over Howard’s “vast potential” are now bashing Oden for his “raw and ragged play”; while Howard garnered praise for being “polite and soft spoken,” Oden is being depicted as “morose” and “a downer.” Here in L.A., the Clipper announcers the other night were repeating the now well-worn line that “First impressions tell you a lot about what kind of player a rookie will turn out to be and, based on what we’ve seen so far, Oden is not going to be much.” Funny; I never recall hearing anything like that ever said about Howard. This whole “Oden Deathwatch” thing is really getting out of hand.
by knickfan on Dec 14, 2008 9:08 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
The problem with
"First impressions tell you a lot about what kind of player a rookie will turn out to be and, based on what we’ve seen so far, Oden is not going to be much."
Is that Oden is coming of a major injury. If he was playing like this without the Micro injury, then ya maybe he was over hyped. But most of us saw him in summer league last year before he went down, and eventhough he picked up fouls like I pick up women, his raw athletic ability was on display. He didn’t have to gather himself to go for dunks, and he was much faster end to end, (this was with the tonsil problem even). For thost that forget quickly, watch the following, especially #1. That is the real greg oden.
Footwork
He’s not getting away with the travels in regular season play. He needs some serious work on developing a back to the basket move that doesn’t cause him to travel more than half the time. The blocks link came up blank.
by fatwansaboni on Dec 14, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
sorry about the link
but it works for me, not sure why it didn’t for you. You can view the video clip from the other links if you wish.
I agree about his footwork, he needs to improve it. I was only talking about his altheticism not being back yet.
Think about Brandon Roy for a minute...
Would he have even gotten drafted after one year of college? Clearly no.
Yet here he is, in his 3rd NBA season, after 3 more years of college than Oden and his game is still improving.
Prysbilla – been in the league what, 6 or 7 years and he had more than one year of college and his game is still improving.
Neither of them had a year off following major surgery.
There is every reason to beleive that Oden’s game will continue to improve every year over at lest the next five years and maybe more.
Given where he is right now, the finished product will be amazing.
This team wasn’t built for this year.
by raoulduke on Dec 14, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nothing wrong with Greg's numbers,
and to the credit of most that frequent this site, I don’t see too much concern over his numbers. The only issue with Greg is his attitude, which sticks. “sticks” is putting it too mildly, I actually get uncomfortable watching him, embarrassed for the way he carries himself. Other then Martells injury, which has a few positive side affects, Greg’s attitude is the only dissappointment to the season so far.

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