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Steve Blake Foul Shooting; Darius Miles Signing Is Official

Steve Blake

Dwight wrote that last night's game was "bad luck" and that...

"Steve Blake has never gone 1 for 5 at the foul line in his life. Not even in first grade, I bet. And he won’t ever do it again. If he goes 2 for 5 in the final 20 seconds, the Blazers walk off winners. That’s what a long-shot loss this one was."

Because I'm ridiculous, I decided to confirm that on DatabaseBasketball.com... turns out that 1 for 5 was indeed the worst free throw shooting night of his entire NBA career, which spans 350 regular season games and 9 playoff games.

Here are Blake's worst free throw shooting games (most misses) during each season of his NBA career (with at least 5 attempts).

  • 2003-2004 -- 3 for 6 against Utah on 3/23
  • 2004-2005 -- 3 for 5 against Boston on 3/13
  • 2005-2006 -- 2 for 5 against Dallas on 3/7
  • 2006-2007 -- 7 for 11 against Portland on 2/2
  • 2007-2008 -- 7 for 7 against Lakers on 2/26 (it was the only game he had 5+ attempts all season)
  • 2008-2009 -- 1 for 5 against Clippers on 12/12

Other Blake free throw notes: He has never attempted a free throw shot in the playoffs.  He was also a 77.1 percent free throw shooter in college, never averaging more than 2.68 attempts per game in a season.

So last night was historically bad.  We should take solace knowing that it will be another 350 games (probably) until Blake does that again.

Darius Miles

As mentioned in the sidebar by Over Analysis, according to Ronald Tillery, the go-to source for Grizz information, the Memphis Grizzlies have signed Darius Miles.  Here's quotes from two news stories....

Free agent forward Darius Miles arrived in Memphis early Saturday morning and signed a nonguaranteed contract with the Grizzlies following a physical examination.

 Miles, 27, hasn't played organized basketball since being cut by the Boston Celtics after training camp. He recently worked out for the Los Angeles Clippers and recalls Charlotte and Chicago showing interest.

But Memphis was the only team ready to sign Miles immediately.

The Griz view Miles as a low-risk proposition at both forward positions, banking on the 6-9 forward overcoming a serious knee injury and jump-starting his once promising career.

In the Grizzlies, Miles said he sees opportunity knocking.

"I'm hungry. Anybody in the position I'm in, and has been through what I've been through the past two years, if he's not hungry he shouldn't waste anybody's time," Miles said. "I'm hungry. I ain't quitting. I feel like I can still do this. I wouldn't even waste the Grizzlies' time if I felt like my career was over."

Miles won't be eligible to play for the Griz until Jan. 4. He must serve a 10-game suspension for violating the league's anti-drug policy by testing positive for a banned weight-loss stimulant.

He can attend practices but cannot be in the arena two hours before the tip-off of games. The Griz visited with Miles in Chicago where he's worked out since leaving Boston.

The Grizzlies' gamble will last until Jan. 7 when they must decide whether to guarantee Miles for the rest of the season. He can appear in two games before then.

Don't skip over that last paragraph! 

What's most interesting about this news is the importance of the 10 game suspension and its timing.  Because Darius must sit out 10 games, he can't start playing until January 4, just 3 days before the Grizzlies will have to decide whether to guarantee his contract through the end of the season. 

That means his ability to play in 10 games requires that contract extension.  In other words, today's signing does not change the Blazers cap situation, at least not yet.  If January 7 comes and he doesn't get his deal, the Blazers' cap situation will remain as is.  If he does sign the guarantee, the team's worst Darius fears could be confirmed if he plays in 10 games.

The timing here couldn't be more interesting in light of the months of trade rumors between the two teams and because Memphis has been active in recent years before the trade deadline.  If you want to speculate that this signing is another chip in trade negotations between the two teams, I won't stop you.

In any case, hang tight until January 7 -- that's the new D Day for Darius. 

For Darius this must be both a blessing and a curse.  Against huge odds, he got himself a deal.  But it's not guaranteed so that means another month of limbo. 

UPDATE (5:11PM): Asked for comment about the signing this afternoon, Kevin Pritchard replied, as you might have guessed, "You know I can't comment on any other teams players."

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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KP and Tom Penn are readying the complaint regarding Darius with the league as we speak ;-)

Several collective bargaining agreements agree that the rules regarding medical retirement are at least a bit fuzzy, and seem to have originally been written into the CBA with the intention of preventing clubs from releasing own players, re-negotiating their contracts to dump salary and then taking them back on for less money. Not for a player being declared medically retired, then making it back with another team (without the team even having to consult an independent doctor again to declare him fit for play).

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

If Miles plays 10 games for Memphis (I’ll still believe that when I see it!), and Darius’ salary goes back against the Blazer’s team salary figure, the appeal will be made to the league to make a ruling on the salary implications. I personally think that the Blazers would have a good chance of winning such an appeal.

by Storyteller on Dec 13, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree the Blazers would probably win an appeal. but an appeal is the last thing these guys want to be worrying about right now.

i agree that it’s best to wait and see if Darius plays but Memphis might be THE ideal place for him to actually do it. They’re cheap and they don’t care about winning.

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

They’re cheap and they don’t care about winning.

Sweet, they should just sign me. I can’t play at all, but I’m willing to do it for next to nothing.

by pualo on Dec 13, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

keep your cell phone on, you never know!

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

v—————————————-would play for league minimum!

http://myspace.com/eme0916

by Ed (dfjmed) on Dec 14, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Can the Blazers trade for him?

When can he be traded if he signs with Memphis today (or tomorrow)?

How funny would that be if KP traded for him and then gave him the Raef treatment (tell him to go buy a farm in Iowa)?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

I would consider that

a slap-in-the-balls offense. talk about crushing someone’s dreams

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Dec 13, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Not for 90 days.

Players signed as free agents can’t be traded for 90 days or until December 15th of the season they are signed in, whichever is later.

by Storyteller on Dec 13, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The Darius Miles Hostage Situation
If you want to speculate that this signing is another chip in trade negotations between the two teams, I won’t stop you.

If this is the case, I think it would be good to negotiate with them.

What do they want? Outlaw and Sergio for Conley? I’m not a huge Conley fan, but wouldn’t it be worth it? With the Darius cap space we could easily sign Hedo in the off season to replace Outlaw at SF, if Martell and Batum can’t pick up the slack.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

That would be complete bush-league

Nobody would want to deal with Wallace and the Grizzlies anymore. I highly doubt that is happening.

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, nobody would WANT to deal with them

I don’t WANT to deal with them right now. But Does KP HAVE to deal with them?

It’s a hostage situation. You can choose not to deal with them, but sometimes you HAVE to in order to get what you WANT.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't negotiate with Terrorists!!

The Jinx Effect...a Mike Rice specialty.

by OneTrickPony on Dec 13, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What? that's not part of the plan

You’re supposed to clap like everyone else while I wear a self-satisfied smirk

The Jinx Effect...a Mike Rice specialty.

by OneTrickPony on Dec 13, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

they’re in a perfect spot tho… they do the signing and see how people react to it… if it has no effect, then they just don’t guarantee it and let it go…they’ve always got plausible deniability because of the injury… so it’s a no risk move for them…

if for some reason things change and a deal gets done, they can go either way… give him a deal if he’s helping or cut him lose at very little cost…

early speculation is he won’t see the floor anyway and they might be buying out antoine walker… so there’s a lot of moving pieces here…

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

There would be no benefit in trading for AWAC (Antoine Walker Absurd Contract)

Since it would have the same effect as Darius going back on the books.

What can we do to mitigate that possibility?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

No, Antoine Walker is effectively an expiring contract since his last years are not guaranteed

He can be waived before June 30 2009, and the rest just goes away ;-)
Still, it’s very likely that’s just what the Grizz will do to clear even more cap space than they already have. No need to trade him.

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, you schooled me once again

But since they are on the verge of bankruptcy, would they want RLEC for AWAC based on the insurance savings?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting idea

That might also open up some dream scenarios, since we seem to be in ongoing negotiations with both Charlotte and Memphis.

Big Trade

Memphis – Portland only

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

P.S.: The Memphis – Portland scenario would be a bit steep. I think there could be better deals out there ;-)

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Beautiful - get that big trade done TODAY

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Dec 13, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

wait wait wait wait wait

So Charlotte clearly is about to make among the worst trades in NBA history? They give up Wallace and Ajinca for Horrible and Trout, or Horrible and Frye? Why don’t you just start at the top and go for LeBron? We, according to that logic would only have to give up Shav, Ike and the rights to Freeland.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Brown is known for throwing out a lot of players on teams he takes over

The rumors are that the Bobcats try to clear Wallace’s salary, since his contract runs loooong. So they could be interested in cap space and a decent but cheaper replacement.

Would you have given up a star like Richardson plus a young guy on the rookie contract and a pick for Diaw and Bell? Jordan/Brown did. They are fast approaching the bottom 3 of worst GMs in the league.

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Why didn't you throw

Augustin Okafor and Felton into the trade as well. If ineptitude has no limits….

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

salaries have to match

Even if the GM’s don’t know how to add and subtract, the league will tell them whether the trade works.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm plenty aware of salary matching.....

A ridiculous trade is a ridiculous trade… salaries or otherwise.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

If you're going to use the Kevin McHale logic tree...

and you’re not going to obey the laws of an even trade, why stop at purely ridiculous. The degree to which an NBA trade can be lopsided is only limited by what talent you have to lose.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Why don't you come up with a better idea to make sense of the ongoing rumors surround these teams?

Is it Sergio? The deal would also work with Blake to Memphis (they can absorb the salary, but I still don’t think Nate wants that). Feel better?

There are rumors about the Bobcats giving up Felton if a team takes on the horribul contract of Nazr Mohammed. Think the Blazers would do that?

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Wallace even smart enough to think of that?

After the Gasol trade I thought he was brian dead; if this “bargaining chip” speculation has legs to it, then he’s scum

Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses

by blazeraddict on Dec 13, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

Josh Childress would be a nice fit for his perimeter defense.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 13, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

reasons why darius doesn't matter and/or can't be allowed to matter..

1. all of the great speculation that ben provided for how darius still has a hill to climb and a lot of heart to show to impress cheapskate Memphis enough to sign the guaranteed contract after only two opportunities for playing games..
2. Darius has a way of messing things up.
3. Jedi powers of KP..

if these lock solid things still fail us, we may have to accept that Darius will play and the Blazers will get stuck with the bill. this still does not and can not be allowed to matter.
4. There is no way to deal with a team to stop Darius from playing over the next two years… I’m going to say I’m nearly certain that the league will not let the Blazers get Darius’ new contract and freeze his ability to get onto a roster.
5. Even if this was being used as some sort of deal chip, the dangers of bending to blackmail is always the same. Some team is going to be around and Darius’ agent is going to continue to find ways to make news out of the “former star forward”.
6. The major advantage of having many commodities is diversification. The Blazer success has many routes and if Darius is going to stay on the books.. well.. that’s just karma. By just accepting whatever happens.. we will still have plenty of pieces with which to move forward..

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con

by idoltime on Dec 13, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

We still have cap space, quite a bit of it. Darius is very, very unlikely to go back on our books, but if he does, we’ll still have quite a bit to work with. Very possibly all KP was going to need to swing whatever deal he is going to do, anyway.

I highly doubt this will happen, but if it does, it probably isn’t a big deal.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 13, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

These 11

PG: Blake/Sergio/Bayless
SG: Roy/Rudy
SF: Webster/Batum
PF: Aldridge/Outlaw
C: Oden/Przy

These 11 guys take up 39.9 million against the cap next year. If you add Darius Miles’ 9 million, that would leave us with 11.7 million dollars to spend (this doesn’t include Diogu or Frye). That wouldn’t even be enough to get a guy like Hedo. That would mean we’re either going to have to sacrifice Trout or Blake, or possibly both, with no return, to leave enough space for a nice free agent. This Darius thing pretty much guarantees the fact that we HAVE to make a trade before the deadline this year. It is very very painful.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It guarantees no such thing

There aren’t very many great fits for us on the FA market this year. It is very, very possible that the space will be used to facilitate a trade. This could happen before the deadline, or in the summer, or even next year before the deadline.

We will be in position, this summer, to trade a couple nice young players for a max player without worrying about salary matching. I’m not saying that will happen, but it certainly could. That is the kind of deal that might happen without the Miles cap space.

Darius’ salary limits our options, there’s no doubt about that. But there is a good chance it takes away options we wouldn’t have used, anyway.

Three weak spots on the roster:
1. Starting PG.
2. Starting SF.
3. Backup PF.

That’s it. Now, a lot of us think that Bayless is the answer to #1 within a year or two, max. If so, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to throw a huge amount of money at that position. In fact, it could just create a minutes crunch and cause dissension. So it is possible, even if we have the money, that the best move for #1 is to stick with Blake for now and wait for Jerryd/Sergio.

  1. (starting SF). There’s a really good chance we have the answer on the roster right now, between Martell and Nic. We certainly are adequate at backup.
  1. (backup PF). This is possibly the place KP will try to strengthen this summer. If he can’t parlay $10 million of cap space into a backup PF, something is wrong.

I don’t consider it very painful at all.

But I do expect a successful appeal, anyway.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 14, 2008 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you just agreed with me. Darius going back on the cap,

increases by a significant amount the possibility of a trade. For us to maximize our current roster, trades are now required. Before, without that contract, we could add a max contract AND kept all our guys without worrying about it. THEN, we could’ve made trades as we saw fit. NOW, we can’t simply add that max guy of our choosing to our roster without giving something up. That reduces what we’ll be left with after that big contract guy is added. Obviously, we’re fairly deep as it is, but that doesn’t mean that even more talent on this team is a bad thing. The increased trading chip, can’t be discounted, and this Miles thing really does limit our options. If you read my potential 2010 proposal, that one is now completely out the window. I know things still look bright…. but there is a clear difference between yesterdays situation and today’s.

by as11osu on Dec 14, 2008 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

your team can never stop improving

KP will always look for an edge, because there are 29 other teams competing for the same trophy, and you can never stop improving.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 14, 2008 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, I didn't agree

with what you said, which is that this is “very, very painful” (not necessarily) and that it “pretty much guarantees the fact that we HAVE to make a trade before the deadline this year” (it does no such thing).

Since Darius’ contract ends the summer of 2010, it has NO impact on any attempt to preserve cap space until 2010.

You are mourning the loss of the opportunity to add a max contract free agent without giving something up. It is highly doubtful whether that would have happened, anyway. It is pretty impractical to carry more than 3, and we already have 3 max or near max guys. And there are NO max contract guys available as unrestricted free agents this year that would really be a good fit on this team.

So the only way we would have picked up a max guy was in a trade, in which case we probably would have been giving up SOMETHING for him, anyway — rarely are max guys just given away. So again, that would mean giving up some salary — enough to get us under the cap.

I didn’t say this doesn’t limit our options. But there really isn’t a guy available as a FA this year that looks like a good fit for this team who is in the max category. Not even close. The only guy you could possibly look at is Hedo.

Signing Turkey-glue as a FA is one option that just got a lot harder, if that was what KP had in mind. Name me another option that might actually improve our team that you can see that is hindered by this. Remember, Darius would be off the cap at the end of next season anyway.

And finally, as to “clear difference between yesterday and today”, there really isn’t. Both yesterday and today, there was a chance that Darius could get on with a team, serve his suspension, and play ten games. That chance is exactly the same right now as it was before he got cut by Boston. Pretty unlikely, and if it happens, we’ll appeal. The need to appeal is one small step closer today. He still hasn’t served a single game of that suspension.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 14, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

No matter what people say

It does matter. Even if you have the most chips at the final table of a poker chip, losing some of your chips matters.

If Darius plays 10 games this season and an appeal is unsuccessful, it does matter. Saying it doesn’t matter is like saying a career-ending injury to Joel Pryzbilla doesn’t matter.

As you noted, it’s not just free agent signings. It’s trades also. When a team is under the cap, they can take back more in a trade. How did Camby get to LAC? It’s because they were under the cap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3491156

If KP wants to go into next season under the cap because he thinks he can get a good player in a salary dump trade ala Camby, Darius’ $9 million would matter tremendously.

Just because you have a lot of chips at the table doesn’t mean you don’t need some of them. They could actually make the difference between a very good deal and a great deal. You don’t know if you will ever have to use them by going all in at some point, but if you do, then they become indispensable.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 14, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It MIGHT matter

I agree with that. It takes away options we MIGHT have used. It is worth appealing because of that, to keep your options open.

If there’s only a 5% chance you would use those options, you still appeal, and it still has a chance of impacting you if you lose the appeal.

But in all probability, we won’t use all of that cap space even if we have it. In which case, it won’t have mattered either way.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 14, 2008 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

entirely disagree

It doesn’t matter…

Certainly doesn’t matter like a Przy career-ending injury matters.. that’s the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard…

It matters like getting chocolate and vanilla ice cream at your party instead of just one

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
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by idoltime on Dec 14, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter?

People on here think they can predict the future…

If you think you can predict the future, why aren’t rich?

It’s $9 million of cap space… losing that is like losing a backup center. It’s not identical to losing Joel, but use some thought and imagination once in a while.

You can’t say that it doesn’t matter. If you do, you just look like you don’t know what you’re talking about.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 14, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

or I could worry about things that no one can control

and equivocate a back-up center than we have to an amount of money

try thinking before suggesting that some one is trying to predict the future or doesn’t know what they are talking about..

and I am a season ticket holder in the 100s so that must make me rich or a trust fund baby at least.. :P

lighten up.. the blazers losing a little bit of flexibility this year does not matter in the long term of everything

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
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by idoltime on Dec 15, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Just because something is out of your control doesn't mean it does not matter
lighten up.. the blazers losing a little bit of flexibility this year does not matter in the long term of everything

It COULD matter. You can’t brush $9 million in cap space under the rug like that.

Should we worry about it? Probably not. You’re right. It’s not something we can control at this point.

But it would limit our flexibility and options over the next two years. How much? I can’t predict (and won’t make some unsubstantiated guess based on what I think and with a total disregard for facts). Will it matter 10 years from now? I also can’t predict that. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. Making a definitive statement that “It will not matter. Period.” is wishful thinking and I hope it is proven over the long run. But to say that is the absolute truth is ignoring reality.

I’m jealous of your tickets. Last year (when I lived in Portland) I had 300s and we used to sneak down into the 117-119 area. It’s awesome getting to watch a game that close.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Might limit us for one year

Not two.

Cap space is irrelevant this year because we don’t have it anyway. If we do a trade, it needs to be a salary match.

Cap space matters from July 1st this year until next year. Then, it’s gone, gone, gone, gone — unless we decide not to re-sign LMA or Brandon. And so is Darius’ contract, at that point. Gone, gone, gone.

Do you like asparagus?

by jscot on Dec 15, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Part of 2009 and part of 2010

In sum, 1 year. But arguably, it limits us during two different years—2009 and 2010.

Am I grasping at straws again?

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 15, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

okay to be fair

Obviously you are right that it will make things tougher for the Blazers in the short term and could even limit a couple of great opportunities that we would have.. but the reason why I felt okay saying it doesn’t matter is because..

1. It is extremely highly unlikely to be the deciding factor of a Blazer championship run… again, quite a statement but I feel fairly confident in this teams asset holdings to say that whether or not the team gets that good will not only be based upon the cap availability relating to Darius for the 08-09 and 09-10 season
2. We can’t really hope to bribe any team or Stern or even Tanya Harding to stop Darius from playing, so playing from the point of weakness (we have to do something to stop Darius playing) is worse, IMO, than just assuming it won’t matter enough.to do anything but switch to plan B. even if I was wrong about the first point..

They are great tickets.. but honestly speaking, if it wasn’t for the fact that my main seating buddies are my mom and my wife who have poor eyesight and are snobs about watching the big screen, I’d be more than willing to pay half of the price for seats a bit further up.. despite having the money to pull it off, I cannot help but shake my head is amazement at how much I pay for every game…

still it is nice sitting low in the Garden!

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con

by idoltime on Dec 16, 2008 3:07 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

If, and it’s a huge “if”, Oden develops like we think he should and the Big 3 stay healthy and in Portland for the next 10 years, we should be able to win championship and Darius shouldn’t change that.

"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 16, 2008 3:24 AM PST up reply actions  

i think we have a couple of other routes

this may sound like complete insanity and I will not claim to be predicting anything but I really do believe that KP has us on the track to be a championship-caliber team even if one of the big 3 doesn’t turn out to be big enough.. and even weather more injury storms than some recent championship dynasties…

its all ifs.. but if you are willing to run with them.. I could be one of those teams that could weather temporary health setbacks or even (knock on wood) if we had to retool the team without one of the big 3 and be a contended each new year…

if Rudy develops into a star in his own right
if Martel/Outlaw becomes consistent
if Batum develops into consideration for All-Defensive team player
if we add another star who perfectly fits into our system by trading some of the tons of talent we have even if we cannot take salary dumps or sign massive free agents
if Bayless is given free reign to devour Chris Pau

I guess I just feel good about the long term because .. even though a lot depends on ‘ifs’… we really have a lot of “potential ifs” that could realistically lead to an elite team through many different tracks. KP has done great in diversifying the assets of the Blazers.. I don’t really think 9mil doesn’t matter, I just think it was just one ‘if’ (and not the biggest one) that looks less good now than it had 2 weeks ago..

And if every ‘if’ were to fall our way.. we would be pretty tough to stop by any team of any amount of talent..

Boycott Rose Garden Concessions!!!
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/8/657044/boycotting-rose-garden-con

by idoltime on Dec 16, 2008 4:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Steve Blake's Foul shooting

Ok here is the biggest thing for me. Over his career he only shoots around 78%. That isn’t too bad, but for a guard, not very good especially if you are in a situation like he was last night.

I’m not getting how everyone keeps praising him for how good of a FT shooter he is! I mean yes, this season he had been doing well. But you’re only looking at how he is doing for the first 24 games compared to his percentages his whole career.

Over his career he takes very little attempts at the line. And what I would have liked to see was Rudy at the line making those shots. This season Rudy has put up way more FT attempts and makes and is very reliable. While being in the Spanish league, in his career, he shoots over 80%.

One other thing is that when Blake does go to the line, his rythem doesn’t look very good, compared to alot of other players in the league. Like Steve Nash who always does his routine. It doesn’t look to me like Blake has that.

But I’m just boiling my frustrations over these losses…I just can’t believe how poorly we are executing at the end of games…sure they look tired, but thats why you have your bench as well. I would have liked to see more Batum.

by broyismoney on Dec 13, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, but even if you use his career average, it was still a Choke Job, not him being a bad free throw shooter

Thanks to Jake the Snake in the JD, there was a 1% chance he misses 4 or 5 out of 5 based on his career average.

I agree Rudy should have been on the line if possible. But Blake is still a “good” foul shooter. Since he doesn’t get that many attempts, he actually has less chance of getting a rythem at the line and shooting 78% isn’t that bad for a guy that only gets to the line so often and is always “cold” when he takes a lot of them. I would think it’s easier for a guy that shoots 8 per game to shoot a high percentage than a guy that shoots one or two per game.
 

If the FTs are considered independent events (ie one miss doesn’t affect the next shot… which is a questionable assumption), the probobilites are as follows (using a binomial distribution):

5 for 5: 65.9% chance
4 for 5: 28.6% chance
3 for 5: 5.0% chance
2 for 5: 0.4 % chance
1 for 5: 0.02% chance
0 for 5: 0.0003% chance

If we use Blake’s career FT% of 77.8% (which is more accurate given the small sample size of this season), the probabilities are:

5 for 5: 28.5% chance
4 for 5: 40.7% chance
3 for 5: 23.2% chance
2 for 5: 6.6% chance
1 for 5: 0.94% chance
0 for 5: 0.054% chance

So, there was about a 1% chance of Blake hitting either 1 or 0 of those FTs. Pretty bad choke, but not quite as bad as your numbers. Also, Rudy shot have shot the T (on the pre-inbound foul)— Blake is not a 90% FT shooter… he was just on a hot streak to start the season. Rudy should be shooting all Technicals when he is in the game.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

lol i was doing these same calculations last night on my phone’s calculator… good stuff

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I was trying to do it, but don't understand statistics enough

So Jake the Snake saved me… that whole thing was supposed to be in the block quote… don’t want to take undue credit for the stats.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

+1 for the six syllable word

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

post updated with no comment from KP…

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry for crowding the post with a trade idea. Should have moved it over to the drawer earlier, but at the start was none and I liked the idea of involving Walker and Raef.

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing compared to the

Lebron for RLEC + Freeland FanPost that just went up… wowsers.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I apologize...

I didn’t realize that there was a degree out there, still to be attained.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I forgive you...

I meant as a waste of space. Norsk was sorry for crowding Ben’s post with trade talk. I was pointing out that there was a FanPost crowding the sidebar when we already had a valid trade thread going.

It was an issue about the use of BEdge space, not the credibility of the proposals.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

no apology needed… you know i love the trade rumors

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

With no game today, the BEdgers are getting feisty

I love watching the Sergio homers and Bayless homers duke it out. I’m a Bayless homer and need to find a new hobby other than attacking people on BE.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I love both

and I think both could be in our future. No need to fight it out. Blake is gone the year after next either way.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked Blake

but after he pulled that Bill Buckner last night, I hope to move on to better and younger PGs asap.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Gosh

Not hasty at all, are ya?

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Never

not emotional either.

(how do you do the sarcasm font again?)

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I know I know

The internet REALLY needs that font… For everyone’s sake. :-P

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor Bill...

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Buckner

And Clinton only should be ashamed because he stooped to Lewinski… JFK had Marylin Monroe…. MONROE!!! Way to go Bill (Clinton) Bringin the Dems down a peg there… ;-D

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I’m going to find someone we all hate who went to school in Portland. Just be contrary ;-)

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

They are both very different, and, from my admittedly WAY outsider perspective, the quality that one lacks, the other has i.e. Sergio’s creativity vs Jerryd’s finishing touch at the rim, among other things.

If only we could have drafted Serrgyd Rodriless. Or Jergio Bayliguez.

What this team needs is a good veteran Point guard who can tutor the young guys directly. Maybe not this season, but there will surely be a couple who fit the bill in the coming free agent crop who fit the bill and can be had for cheap…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just going to say "fit the bill" redundantly again again...

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Sergio

but my prediction is that he will be traded before the start of training camp next fall.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You might be right...

Actually, that might be the best thing for Sergio at this point. He’s a runner, kind of a Mike D’antoni type point (God, can you imagine him in the 7 seconds or less system???) Then Bayless backs up Blake for a year, Blake departs (or is re-signed on the cheep, I hope) and Jerryd takes over.

KP was so high on this guy at the draft there has to be something to it. Name me one player KP’s picked that high that hasn’t made it… I like Jerryd and I like Rodriguez. I just think Bayless looks to fit better into Nate’s gameplan.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless = perfect starter next to Roy eventually

Sergio = Perfect fit for this teams 2nd unit now (and eventually)

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The Spanish Connection

I know… That is a thing of beauty. The chemistry there is off the charts and I do NOT want to see it go away. But Sergio needs to add finishing at the rim in order to be effective. He’s shooting pretty well, but he can’t keep the defense honest, yet.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

dang

I mislabeled you as an “unabashed Sergio homer”…

Your statement intrigues me. Surprises me. I don’t know what to say.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Sergio is my favorite player on the team...

but if we have to move him to win a Championship, that’s a no-brainer. I just don’t think that moving either Bayless or Sergio is a clear and unalterable necessity.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

A trade

Would be too hasty at this point in my opinion. The team is winning (the last three games being the exception) and chemistry is building. As we saw with Outlaw going down, injuries will open up playing time. Time will tell who to keep. Anything right now is a little premature.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm impressed

maybe I need to learn some of your un-homeristic ways. Some raulpaulo guy bashed me on another thread. Maybe I’m too abrasive.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been lurking for a while on BE

And while I don’t always agree with you, you definitely are eloquent and stick to your guns. I respect that a lot. Makes me think, thanks.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I like sticking to my guns

just for the fun of the fight. Then at the end I acknowledge that the other person was right the whole time. Sounds silly and childish… but… well, don’t have anything to say in response to that.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

That’s called “Devil’s Advocate”

I like doing that too. It tells me if someone actually thought something through or not. Nothing wrong with that.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

I rarely take a homer or a hater side. There are things that every player on the Blazers can work on, no one is perfect (yes, including Roy) I do like Sergio’s game. His court vision is good, but not as great as some might think (but that’s due to the fact that defenses dare him to shoot and take away his passing lanes)

I’d like to see a little more of Bayless, or have him go down to the D-league. You can’t really improve all that much on the pine, and the kid needs minutes at the 1. Like I said, the perfect point would be a hybrid of Bayless and Sergio. Sigh, but we passed that one up in the Martell Webster draft… Nothing against Webby…. but dang…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree
I’d like to see a little more of Bayless, or have him go down to the D-league. You can’t really improve all that much on the pine

Bayless is getting more and better action day in and day out of practice here in Portland than any amount of time or PT he could get versus D-League competition.

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2008 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok

Good point, especially given how Bayless torched summer league. But more game time (in some form) is needed for expidited growth.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If Roy's finger is broken

We might be seeing a lot of Bayless here shortly.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish

There was a “punch in the groonies” action button I could use on you just for saying such heretical stuff
(puts fingers in ears “I’m not listening, I’m not listening…” oh crap I can still read…)

Roy’s finger broken… the nerve…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

If we're not going to win the title this season

At least we can find out what Jerryd is made of before the trade deadline. Might help with future planning/trades/signings.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

no D league please

I take a homer side when it comes to Bayless. I’ll admit. I’m not a Sergio hater in heart even though I predict him being traded.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

But

What about those sweet reverse alley-oops? Every other guard on the Blazers seems to be allergic to the lob pass…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

true

The Blazers should have him teach Bayless that for 30 minutes per day for three weeks prior to his trade.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

But why

Does he need to be traded? I mean, if you keep him (and his ridiculously inexpensive contract) on the 2nd unit, does that work? Has any team in NBA history had two teams playing during one game? That’s what we’re looking like. Unless a guy gets in foul trouble, it’s mass subbing, and the two “units” play such different styles.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems likely

Providing Bayless shows he can make the right pass, much like Blake. I can’t count the number of times this season Stevie has dribbled all the way under the basket and back out without taking the shot. And when he does, he’s stuffed a-la Dwight “Lights Out” Howard… He doesn’t need a lot of flash, he just needs to recognize when to drive and when to dish.

And prove he can play off Roy as a spot up shooter.

Roy = Manu (bear with me)
Jerryd = Parker
Oden = Duncan

Ginobili and Tony are drivers and they thrive together. Bayless and Brandon need to take a page out of that book.

Hell, take the whole darn novel.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

Know about Matt’s Boner.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

how about Matt Knight?

never heard of him until today.

Apparently he was lazy and died in El Salvador 4 years ago. Now he has a $200 million building named after him.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Diving accident

Awful way to go. Drowning scares the &@*$% out of me.

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Kidding

No, LMA is the X-factor. He’s something the Spurs really don’t have. Can you imagine how scary San Antone would be with Aldridge?

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why we are calling this MANIFEST DYNASTY…

There is no way around it. We will have a dynasty better than the Spurs lousy 4 rings.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Now really

Mike Rice thinks he can jinx free throws by talking about how good someone is at shooting them (its amazing how often it happens)…
And now you pull this crap?!? ;-)

Can I say “crap” on BE?

If not that’s pretty crappy…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

that's why it's a Manifest Dynasty

It’s obvious, inevitable, and unjinxable.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

I can roll with that…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Dec 14, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Any word on Roy's finger?

It sounded bad…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:03 PM PST reply actions  

wish i had word… they didnt have practice today so i couldnt get any info…

my guess is tomorrow or monday…. haven’t heard word if they are practicing tomorrow yet

Draft Kyle Singler.

by Ben Golliver on Dec 13, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Exhibit A

why you should have stopped to talk to Shave.

He might have known…

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

What year

Does the Miles contract go to? is it ‘11 or ’12? I know I should just google it, but I’m too lazy ;)

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

Ben
UPDATE (5:11PM): Asked for comment about the signing this afternoon, Kevin Pritchard replied, as you might have guessed, “You know I can’t comment on any other teams players.”

How sweet is it to be able to text message with Kevin Pritchard?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

Well

I’m going to steal his identity for one… Massive plastic surgery…

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by haildablazer on Dec 13, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

When I went to the Blake link I received a warning from my anti-virus software that the site was trying to download a virus!

Now I clicked on the basketball header above that link to see what they were offering before the freeze popped up but fair warning to anyone else.

whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

No databasebasketball.com

The virus is contained in: http://databasebasketball.com/favicon.ico

Virus Identity: Win32:Nimda [Drp]

whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Pritchslapped! Oops....

Good on Darius if he earns his way back into a NBA rotation.

by PhiSlamaJama on Dec 13, 2008 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

Nope... He's screwing over the Blazers if he makes it back...

I saved this explanation from a few months back, because I thought this issue rear its ugly head again. Can’t remember who wrote it (Dave possibly, maybe a poster) but this is how Darius is screwing us over:

The procedure followed by the Blazers is that the league and the players union appointed an independent doctor to examine the evidence and issue a ruling. That ruling affected the Blazers, Miles, and any team interested in Miles. It was the Blazers, however, who had the risk. Miles was, after all, under contract. And when the ruling was issued, Miles was not willing to give the Blazers the same contract that he then went out and offered to all other teams.
Darius and his agent, in sum, took advantage of the situation. Some of you who wish him the best should keep that in mind. If he’d offered the Blazers the same deal he offered all other teams – basically, let me play and I’ll show you I’m worthy of a roster spot, and I’ll also absolve you of liability if I reinjure myself – then I can understand your position.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I am sure that is the full story. There couldn’t be any sort of collusion in part by the Blazer organization. I will certainly take it as fact because bloggers said it was so. Thanks for the insight.

Again I wiil reiterate..Good on Darius if he indeed earned that spot.

To you sir Mr. “Bust a Bucket”, I will say…Happy Holiday’s.

It’s all just basketball.

by PhiSlamaJama on Dec 13, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If you want to make an accusation of illegal or unethical activities on the part of Kevin Pritchard, make the accusation! I’ll take KP’s moral track record over Darius’ any day of the week.

I wish Darius the best personally, but not in the NBA. I hope he goes and plays in Europe or something, since he apparently loves the game of basketball now (too bad it took him 25 years of living before he fell in love with the game).

I probably sound harsh, but I will admit that I fall into the Canzano school of thought when it comes to Miles. He didn’t like basketball, he liked the basketball lifestyle. He wants a bobblehead doll. He wants to be able to tell strippers that he plays in the NBA.

PhiSlamaJama: Happy Chanukah, Happy Kwanza, , Feliz Navidad, Happy Equitorial Solstice, and I hope you have the— BEST. CHRISTMAS. EVER.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You as well.

But if you want to start singling out ballers that want the life verse want to earn championships (for thier respective fans (fanchise)) then you had better have a cyclone in your pocket. With that swath we would have twelve teams playing a 280 game season.

by PhiSlamaJama on Dec 13, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

I am actually thinking about stopping being an NBA fan. I hate pro sports right now.

Some players are awesome, like B Roy, and I can totally respect and be a fan of.

But it’s hard to take all the bad players making $100 million over 6 years when there are millions starving around the globe. Pro sports are bad for society, bad for the environment, ugly industries.

I just may quit being a fan soon because I don’t want my money going to such a bad cause.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheers!

I can see where you’re coming from and I see B.Roy as the real damn deal. I also see that for a max-max contract from a large market (that PLand can’t even get close to matching) he would take it. It’s not personal, it’s just business. NBA players had better be businessman first and basketball players next but I can’t fault them for that.

I could very well be the minority here though because I would rather see the Olympics purely amateur again (F the gold medal count). I don’t get fired up by watching NBA All-stars beat Namibia 192-59.

by PhiSlamaJama on Dec 13, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

No one can pay Roy as much as Portland can… both legally (meaning, as much allowed per the CBA because we own his Bird Rights) and ownership wise, since we have the richest owner in any sport.

No other team would be allowed to pay as much as Portland can, and no other team’s owners can afford to pay several players as much as Paul Allen can. If Roy leaves, it ain’t for the bucks, as it’s not like he’s gonna ever make Lebron level endorsement dollars if he moves to NY.

The fact that Portland is one of the smallest markets in the NBA doesn’t matter, since this isn’t a for-profit business for Paul Allen. This is a toy, a hobby, that takes up a smaller percentage than most of us pay for tickets or league pass. Traditionally, we spend a lot more than LA or NYC does as a team.

You don’t WANT to lose a LOT of money with it, especially not if we suck like we did before, but if we’re good… and it’s FUN for him… he’ll pay out the nose and love every second of it.

And SCREW NAMIBIA, I been hatin’ those chumps for years for that crap that pulled when they did that one thing back in the day, over in that one place. If I had the power I’d nuke ‘em to hell, but until then I support NUKIN’ ’EM ON THE COURT WHOOOOOO U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A!!!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Dec 14, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Further

Roy is a small market guy. He is close to family in Portland. He doesn’t drink. He doesn’t have a super star attitude that would make him want to leave.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 14, 2008 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm through worrying about Miles

His contract won’t affect us resigning our top guys and I never really believed we could land a premiere FA anyway.

by neutroticblazerfan on Dec 13, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

Random comment but...

Utah and Houston fell today to… guess who? Magic and Clippers!

by Eventine on Dec 13, 2008 10:35 PM PST reply actions  

so are you saying

we don’t suck after all?

That would be great.

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 13, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Darius quote
“I wish I could do this without me having to put money on (Portland’s) salary cap,” Miles said. “The only reason they say something about me is because of their business decision. They decided they didn’t want me to play for that team anymore. It’s kind of like the (Stephon Marbury) situation, and everybody labeled my like I was this bad dude.”

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 14, 2008 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

Memphis is trying to Pritch-slap us...

to get Travis. Very interesting….

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My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Dec 14, 2008 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

Iavaroni and Wallace seem to be cautiously optimistic about their signing of Darius
“We got very good reports from Boston that he was really getting close to what he used to be,” Griz coach Marc Iavaroni said. “I haven’t seen him play for a while, but I will say that he’s a worthwhile risk.”
“We’re not going to do anything to jeopardize the chemistry we have with the team with anyone,” Wallace said. “Darius is 27 years old now. He’s married with a son. He has a little better perspective on life in the NBA than he had a few years ago. We’ll see what he has to offer.”

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 14, 2008 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

sounds like they bought into some crap peddled by none other than Danny Ainge

Darius still sounds stubborn by saying we’re treating him like Marbury. Memphis fans view it as a low risk proposition. Either he works out or they cut him by start of Jan.

Memphis heard from Ainge how great Darius looks, they stopped by Obama’s/Darius’ Chicago gym (that Tim dude is like the hottest trainer and gym proprietor in the world right now) and talked to Darius, and then signed him.

They haven’t seen him practice with their team (like Boston did pre season). They may think this is a bargaining chip and I originally bought into that, but if the Blazers acquiesce now, what stops another and another team from doing the same thing again and again?

by Bust a Bucket on Dec 14, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember: even after signing Darius, the deal isn't done yet

As Ben pointed out, the Grizz have until January 7th to outright waive Miles. And if they DO keep him, he has to sit out 10 games, THEN play in 10 games.

With the Dec. 14th game, he’s got one game of the suspension out of the way, but he’d still have to sit out NINE more games, making the first game he’s eligible to play in January 4th vs. the Mavs – he’d then have to play in what, 25% of the remaining games? Well, that’s certainly possible, but STILL not a lock to happen – especially if the Grizz can put any type of run together.

I can’t see that Memphis would risk messing things up by putting in a new guy, who has no chemistry with the team, and who has a cancerous reputation, when they’ve got SO many young players to develop that he could be “corrupting”. Gay, Mayo, Arthur, Conley, Gasol – all of these guys are relatively new to the league and you don’t want Miles rubbing off on them. That’s something the Celts didn’t need to worry about.

And realistically, what does Miles bring to the team? He’s sort of a ’tweener, a bit like Warrick and Arthur – not big and strong enough to muscle with the PFs, but not quite quick and agile enough to defend and score on smaller more nimble SFs.

And as to the “bargaining chip” theory – I guess it’s possible, but my gut tells me that if the Outlaw-Conley trade every had any legitimacy, it’s pretty much dead in the water now that the Grizz have traded Crittenden. Maybe this is Memphis just trying to poke a finger in KP’s eye in sour grapes because they DIDN’T reach a deal, but I personally don’t see this as getting the two teams any closer to a trade.

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